Terminator: Dark Fate - Cause we need another one of these apparently.

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

We got some videos and cringe to watch, guys. First up is the Red Band trailer:

Arguably better. The BIG PEEN scene now has sploodgy-er sound FX for the CG-assisted slashing and bloodletting. There's even some blink-and-you-miss-it dismemberment this time around, not that that's saying much. I wouldn't put it past them to have inserted that in post. Nice hearing Dani say hwat de fok wuz dat, but damn it if this isn't the 78th time we've seen the goddamn stupid ebin highway entrance. Way to immediately remove the menace of the villain in the service of your nostalgia-baiting feminist badass shilling.

Speaking of cringe:

Looks like Linda's a fan of the Captain Marvel haircut from Endgame. Better or worse than the Hillary cut? I dunno. I'm just thrilled and relieved to hear that the film is totally well-written and that Arnold is hilarious!

God, if that isn't what we needed from his character this whole time. All we wanted to see was The Terminator lighten up a little, and maybe crack jokes as often as he cracks necks. Just because he's a killing machine, doesn't mean he can't knock em' dead with his signature wit. It's 2019, people! Time to act like grown men and stop complaining about what will surely be the first of a great film trilogy--

"There's such a thing as grown men?"

--OH you go, girl! That's what I'm talking about. You're absolutely right. There's no grown men anymore, just soyboy cucks and manchildren. I'm sure that's why they were crying at the end of this truly epic film, like Eric Butts watching a Star Wars trailer.

Moving on. They actually made the motel scene worse. It's great:

It sounds like Junkie XL will be cribbing more than just the T2 title theme from Brad Fiedel. That's clearly Desert Suite. Gotta love the "enhanced speed and strength" line from Grace, almost as much as the bitchy "You're welcome" sass from Sarah. I guess she's trying to harness the bitter sarcasm from her T2 performance, but it doesn't sell the scene any better. This is clearly an exposition scene. Why are they focusing on this scene so much, and showing multiple cuts of it?

But wait, there's yet more new footage:

Any daring Croissant Farmers wanna leak the French cut of the film? It's coming to you this October 23, hoh hoh honngh! Maybe the Thai version instead, with more new footage:

The channel also has a bunch of character featurettes that dropped recently: one each for Carl, Sarah, Dani, Grace, and the REV-9. No John featurette of course, because he dies/is just bait.

By the way, catch that line about Sarah calling the T800 Carl? 1-for-1 the same line cited in the leaks. And if that isn't enough, then this might be:

With the rate they're dropping trailers and featurettes for this film, they must be scared no one's going to watch it. That's probably why Tim decided to make those exceptional statements to the press not too long ago, about how you'll like the film if you're enlightened and how Grace spooks the bigots. If he can't get the fans hyped, might as well get them angry and cater to woke leftists in the media, then they'll at least give him some positive coverage. Any coverage. Wonder how that's working out for him lately.

 

[PenskeMaterial]

It looks so bad and the 'evil' terminator isn't menacing at all. Every trailer/clip shows him getting his ass kicked by Sarah, the LGBTQ-1000 or Arnold. The only time he doesn't job to someone is when he attacks the border patrol(no political bias in this film at all) officers who are unaware of his true nature until they get stabbed through the chest.

The T-1000 was so much better. Even the T-X was better. Hopefully this flops and they shelve the franchise because it's clear the people who own the rights can't make a decent Terminator movie.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

It looks so bad and the 'evil' terminator isn't menacing at all. Every trailer/clip shows him getting his ass kicked by Sarah, the LGBTQ-1000 or Arnold. The only time he doesn't job to someone is when he attacks the border patrol(no political bias in this film at all) officers who are unaware of his true nature until they get stabbed through the chest.

The T-1000 was so much better. Even the T-X was better. Hopefully this flops and they shelve the franchise because it's clear the people who own the rights can't make a decent Terminator movie.

This movie's primary achievement will be rehabilitating Rise of the Machines' reputation (cf. Jedi, The Last.) Say what you like about John Connor in that movie, at least he was fucking in it.

One consistent problem I've noticed is that they've never topped the T-1000 in terms of menace. Other Terminators might be stronger/faster/smarter/better endowed, but the thing that made the T-1000 so dangerous was just how flexible it's power was, and how it could adapt to virtually any situation without missing a beat. Robert Patrick's performance is was spot-on too, with one foot in the uncanny valley.

The reason they can't create things like that anymore is the same reason they're exhuming Linda Hamilton instead of making something new: a dearth of creativity.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

One consistent problem I've noticed is that they've never topped the T-1000 in terms of menace. Other Terminators might be stronger/faster/smarter/better endowed, but the thing that made the T-1000 so dangerous was just how flexible it's power was, and how it could adapt to virtually any situation without missing a beat. Robert Patrick's performance is was spot-on too, with one foot in the uncanny valley.

This a hundred times. I've never liked how they thought they should just make new terminators flip around a lot like a fucking monkey and I'm supposed to be "menaced" by it.

I expect this new movie to suck a little less than the last few, but still not be very good. I'd be surprised if it was above average in any way.

 

[The Nothingness]

It looks so bad and the 'evil' terminator isn't menacing at all. Every trailer/clip shows him getting his ass kicked by Sarah, the LGBTQ-1000 or Arnold. The only time he doesn't job to someone is when he attacks the border patrol(no political bias in this film at all) officers who are unaware of his true nature until they get stabbed through the chest.

In the TV ad I recently mentioned, there are brief clips of Arnold getting his ass kicked by the villain. So it's not going to be a big surprise if he dies.

 

[Stab You in the Back]

This movie's primary achievement will be rehabilitating Rise of the Machines' reputation (cf. Jedi, The Last.) Say what you like about John Connor in that movie, at least he was fucking in it.

Why stop there? I'm already preparing hundreds of Emilia Clarke gifs for when this shitshow flops.

 

[Tootsie Bear]

It looks so bad and the 'evil' terminator isn't menacing at all. Every trailer/clip shows him getting his ass kicked by Sarah, the LGBTQ-1000 or Arnold. The only time he doesn't job to someone is when he attacks the border patrol(no political bias in this film at all) officers who are unaware of his true nature until they get stabbed through the chest.

The T-1000 was so much better. Even the T-X was better. Hopefully this flops and they shelve the franchise because it's clear the people who own the rights can't make a decent Terminator movie.

One thing I started to realize as I got older is that having two or more characters engaged in combat should have a struggle. I mean, if it's so fluid to the point this is live action Dragon Ball movie then you have a problem. I've rewatched the first movie tonight and seeing how difficult it was for both Sarah and Kyle to fight off and escape the Terminator shows you the people behind the scenes have forgotten what made the first and second movie so special: a great story where the protagonists struggle against impossible odds; all while the viewer doesn't 100% what's going to happen next because the Terminator movies ending were ambiguous.

When it comes down to it I hope Dark Fate would be enjoyable enough. Like Genisys I expect some good action scenes contrasts to the predictable plot that was forced on the viewers. As I already mentioned I don't expect Dark Fate to compare to the first two movies but I hope to have a good time. Wouldn't surprise me if it was moderately successful at the box office. If it doesn't I would be shocked because they're pulling out all the strings with Linda Hamilton and diversity quotas, and if Dark Fate still failed at the box office that would mean Terminator would finally be Terminated!

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

The Central Theme of the terminator movies: No fate but what we make.

One thing I started to realize as I got older is that having two or more characters engaged in combat should have a struggle. I mean, if it's so fluid to the point this is live action Dragon Ball movie then you have a problem. I've rewatched the first movie tonight and seeing how difficult it was for both Sarah and Kyle to fight off and escape the Terminator shows you the people behind the scenes have forgotten what made the first and second movie so special: a great story where the protagonists struggle against impossible odds; all while the viewer doesn't 100% what's going to happen next because the Terminator movies ending were ambiguous.

Part of the Horror of the original

* ) Unstoppable killing machine
** ) Learning AI that adapts
***) Can hide and infiltrate

Even Terminator 3 got that right

 

[Tootsie Bear]

The Central Theme of the terminator movies: No fate but what we make.

Part of the Horror of the original

* ) Unstoppable killing machine
** ) Learning AI that adapts
***) Can hide and infiltrate

Even Terminator 3 got that right

Hell yes! Critics at the time might have scuffed at having the T-800 Terminator from the first movie being played by a body builder compared to a guy who looked more like an average Joe and therefore would have blended in better, but we wouldn't have the success of the second movie with Arnold playing the good T-800.

Speaking of T3, it's okay. The T-X was never a threat which is ironic because it was presented as a Terminator created to terminate reprogramed Terminators that fought for the Resistance. So I that soured my final thoughts for the T-3

Salvation, however, was a fun ride. Believe it or not but my friend and I saw the movie after a Spoony bashed the movie in his review. Sure it was far from perfect. What I liked about Salvation was John Connor listing to the tapes previously recorded by his mother, Sarah.

I can't believe I didn't think of this before but I like the idea of John Connor learning from those tapes in what he's supposed to ultimately do once Skynet is defeated and Kyle Reese not truly realizing what his destiny as fathering John Connor. In a way it brings a new face for the character than having John Connor simply as the future leader of the Resistance.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Hell yes! Critics at the time might have scuffed at having the T-800 Terminator from the first movie being played by a body builder compared to a guy who looked more like an average Joe and therefore would have blended in better, but we wouldn't have the success of the second movie with Arnold playing the good T-800.

Speaking of T3, it's okay. The T-X was never a threat which is ironic because it was presented as a Terminator created to terminate reprogramed Terminators that fought for the Resistance. So I that soured my final thoughts for the T-3

Salvation, however, was a fun ride. Believe it or not but my friend and I saw the movie after a Spoony bashed the movie in his review. Sure it was far from perfect. What I liked about Salvation was John Connor listing to the tapes previously recorded by his mother, Sarah.

I can't believe I didn't think of this before but I like the idea of John Connor learning from those tapes in what he's supposed to ultimately do once Skynet is defeated and Kyle Reese not truly realizing what his destiny as fathering John Connor. In a way it brings a new face for the character than having John Connor simply as the future leader of the Resistance.

Also it gets into Inevitability

John Defeating the machines (one way or another) is Inevitable
Kyle reese coming back is inevitable
but nothing else really is

 

[The handsome tard]

Also it gets into Inevitability

John Defeating the machines (one way or another) is Inevitable
Kyle reese coming back is inevitable
but nothing else really is

Yes and no, depends of the movie. T1 was about the cycle. T2 was about BREAKING the cycle.
When its about time travel, there is almost no "correct" way to do it since time is just a theorical concept that we dont know how tecnically works. Its like with black holes, we know almost nothing about them so we can tecnically make some stuff up (like that Nolan movie did with the main character NOT being annihilated by it but rather transported somewhere else...seriously, the movie was just so accurate until there.).

We can only work on theories and it seems that T2 was going with the Back to the Future 2 theory, that if you change something, it creates a new timeline...so in a way, the cycle was sort of re-writen (if it still exists at all). John sends Kyle, Kyle saves Sarah and dies, John is born, T800 and T1000 appear, they destroy the pieces of the previous T800, Skynet is prevented (thus a new timeline is born). It doesnt erase the future war, since its a different timeline,it simply creates another free from the cycle....now T3 kind of ruins my theory or simply heads back to the cycle despite all but I dont consider anything after T2 as being canon, or at least being in the same timeline.

 

[Commander X]

Everything I hate about modern American fight choreography, full of quick cuts, mostly serving to hide the mediocre stuntwork and incoherent moves.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Salvation, however, was a fun ride. Believe it or not but my friend and I saw the movie after a Spoony bashed the movie in his review. Sure it was far from perfect. What I liked about Salvation was John Connor listing to the tapes previously recorded by his mother, Sarah.

I can't believe I didn't think of this before but I like the idea of John Connor learning from those tapes in what he's supposed to ultimately do once Skynet is defeated and Kyle Reese not truly realizing what his destiny as fathering John Connor. In a way it brings a new face for the character than having John Connor simply as the future leader of the Resistance.

Yeah, that scene with John listening to the tapes connected the film to the very start with T1 and gave it some real heart, the sorta corny ending notwithstanding. I imagine some might just consider it nostalgia bait, but that'd be underestimating the simple effectiveness of the scene. It lets the audience into John's head and almost puts them in his place, if only for that one scene, and made it feel like a real Terminator movie. It wasn't hamfisted or sudden, and it wasn't a kind of throwaway line or backdrop like when they went to Sarah's coffin in T3. It was just well-placed and faithful, serving a purpose to John's character and informing what he'll do next. I don't feel like you would get that from a modern movie like Genisys, with Joss Whedon jokes and a breakneck pace.

I would guess that's what Junkie XL was going for by putting the Desert Suite theme in the motel scene, but that I expect to be shallow nostalgia bait.

 

[Kyria the Great]

One consistent problem I've noticed is that they've never topped the T-1000 in terms of menace. Other Terminators might be stronger/faster/smarter/better endowed, but the thing that made the T-1000 so dangerous was just how flexible it's power was, and how it could adapt to virtually any situation without missing a beat. Robert Patrick's performance is was spot-on too, with one foot in the uncanny valley.

Well honestly the most terrifying thing about T-1000 also was that it seemed no matter what you threw at him, he was unstoppable and anything short of a grenade launcher to the face would do diddly squat. One thing that T-1000 also did was take the disguises of people that were considered trusted so it could murder John Conner with even going to take the disguise of his stepmom to trace his location. Though I would also find it scary that it could literally blend in with the floor also one of its strengths with being a near perfect assassin with only the tankiness of a T-800 going to match it.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

Plus the distorted French horns heralding his arrival is pure kino.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Yes and no, depends of the movie. T1 was about the cycle. T2 was about BREAKING the cycle.
When its about time travel, there is almost no "correct" way to do it since time is just a theorical concept that we dont know how tecnically works. Its like with black holes, we know almost nothing about them so we can tecnically make some stuff up (like that Nolan movie did with the main character NOT being annihilated by it but rather transported somewhere else...seriously, the movie was just so accurate until there.).

There's no correct way to do time travel IRL, obviously, but there is a correct way to do it in fiction: consistently. Bill & Ted is held up as the classic example of how to write time travel correctly, with a set of internal rules that are strictly adhered to. In the original Terminator, it's not really clear how it all works, (Reese: "I'm not a tech guy,") and it's reasonable to infer that the machines don't really understand it either: this is their Hail Mary to avoid losing the war, so any possiblity of success, no matter how small, makes it worth a shot. In the sequels, it gets confusing because this is where it should start to matter, but it remains as incoherent as before.

Think about it: to succeed, the machines don't just need the ripple effect to exist, they need some precise form of ripple effect that allows John Connor to exist while still allowing them to take the action that causes him to not exist. It's a great jumping off point for a story, but doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

 

[Poe-Shen Zcela]

I like to think there's someone out there smart or passionate enough to come up with a neat way to tie it all together in a satisfying bow, assuming T2 wasn't satisfying enough. Then the people who made Endgame were like "lol Back to the Future is stupid & doesn't make sense here's how it really works fags lololololollll"

I really dgaf about arrogant, vapid post-modern takes on classic films/stories. Zero Time Dilemma deconstructed itself and BttF in the same way, and it's no less convoluted or nonsensical for doing either.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Think about it: to succeed, the machines don't just need the ripple effect to exist, they need some precise form of ripple effect that allows John Connor to exist while still allowing them to take the action that causes him to not exist. It's a great jumping off point for a story, but doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

This is why I liked the Temporal War going on in Sarah Conner Chronicles

 

[Stab You in the Back]

This is why I liked the Temporal War going on in Sarah Conner Chronicles

Yeah, that show had dozens of assholes from different timelines converging on our present with no fucking idea what they're doing or if they're even still in their own timeline. Its not perfect, but its a serviceable way to handwave lore inconsistencies.

 

[The handsome tard]

There's no correct way to do time travel IRL, obviously, but there is a correct way to do it in fiction: consistently. Bill & Ted is held up as the classic example of how to write time travel correctly, with a set of internal rules that are strictly adhered to. In the original Terminator, it's not really clear how it all works, (Reese: "I'm not a tech guy,") and it's reasonable to infer that the machines don't really understand it either: this is their Hail Mary to avoid losing the war, so any possiblity of success, no matter how small, makes it worth a shot. In the sequels, it gets confusing because this is where it should start to matter, but it remains as incoherent as before.

Think about it: to succeed, the machines don't just need the ripple effect to exist, they need some precise form of ripple effect that allows John Connor to exist while still allowing them to take the action that causes him to not exist. It's a great jumping off point for a story, but doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Hence what I said about alternative timelines. I see it as follow, a cycle will keep on going unless there is this one action that breaks, that being a flaw of the cycle itself or perhaps an inevitability of the cycle being broken, either way, when they prevented the future, they created a new timeline indepedent of the original "cycle" one.
So T1 was about the Cycle Timeline while T2 was the birth of the "No Skynet" Timeline, that way, the cycle timeline remains in existence, hence why John doesnt disappear because now they are in their own timeline.

At least thats my way of seeing T2's ending as making not only sense but carry a powerful message about that there is no fate besides the one we make for ourselves.