Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

As if shit wasn't bad enough with Star Wars, now Disney has to fuck over the entire classic Fox library and throw it in the Disney Vault forever with the exception of Rocky Horror Picture Show for some reason. Oh well... Being locked in the vault is a more merciful fate than what SW got. Unless of course this is their attempt at erasing the past so they can make remakes/reboots...

"Let the Past die. Kill it if you have to."
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Also fuck you Iger and your useless buyouts.

Disney is supposedly making the films as close to Disney+ exclusives as they can for the next few years at least, making D+ the only place they can be seen, unless you know some luddite with physical media (or YoHoHo.) Disney is banking HARD on Disney+.




Trust me, I don't doubt for a second that there's infighting going on. I've been saying it for ages that Lucasfilm is probably a cesspit of drama and they want to screw each other over. Question IS why they didn't post pictures before if they hated each other so much? They posted leaks and info, but now they're actually posting pictures. So why didn't they post pics with past leaks? Only other pic I can think of was the costume leak and the storyboards, but they weren't footage from the actual film... Is it possible that JJ was the only one allowed to look at it during editing which is why we're seeing it now? Now that editing and reshoots are over the crew was allowed a sneak preview? Or were employees under some kind of strict observation? Or is it what @WaltherPPGAY said which I'm very inclined to believe.

I've had the same thoughts about the leaks being a false flag to shift blame for EPIX's impending box office failure "to those fucking internet trolls leaking the plot" - they were almost too accurate.
 
I'm thinking on seeing Spies in Disguise in place of Star Wars that weekend. Will Smith as a spy who disguises himself as a pigeon for probably half the movie sounds much more entertaining than wading through bullshit to get to the three-to-five minutes of Ian MacDarmid trying his damndest to make Palpatine memorable one last time.
 
Catching up on my weekly DSP fill and who shows up in Call of Duty?

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This is fucking pathetic lmao, is the game industry this bad that they can only find one - ugly as sin - actor to fill all their superfluous black lady roles?
 
One thing that struck me rewatching ANH was how Alec Guinness played Ben like he had PTSD with all those pauses and faraway looks he gets and it just fits all the shit he went through as Obi Wan to a tee.
He added soo much to the role, which I doubt Lucas directed or scripted. I love the derisiveness/dismissiveness he says "should I have?" to Han about not having heard of the Falcon, and how he looks sceptical when he looks around the cockpit. The pauses and faraway looks were probably a seasoned actor doing all he could to flesh out his character, and it worked!
 
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He added soo much to the role, while I doubt Lucas directed or scripted. I love the derisiveness/dismissiveness he says "should I have?" to Han about not having heard of the Falcon, and how he looks sceptical when he looks around the cockpit. The pauses and faraway looks were probably a seasoned actor doing all he could to flesh out his character, and it worked!


Their's a really sharp line in Empire strikes back which Yoda Says "All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was... what he was doing. " It's such smart line because it he's referancing and foreshadowing Darth Vaders revelation while chiding luke, he's also potentially reflecting on his own errors.

You have to wonder how much time Yoda's spent reflecting on Anakin carving up all those children. Especially if he'd have either put his foot down about teaching the boy, actually taught Anakin himself or least kept him away from Senator Dick head. Lot of time in that Swamp, lot of dead people.

It's a clever subtext since it can be taken multuple ways, something which makes sense. Luke reddit post about the jedi being rubbish doesnt really match up does it?
 
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I finally decided to look into the spoilers, oh man are they bad. I'm going to still put a good deal of this on Rian Johnson for his handling of 8, including scrapping all of the points JJ made. Or hell, just them not having a full 3 part script/plot point ready to go. This whole series is being held up by the original cast/characters, of which they just kill off and toss to the side once they are done with them. I really want to know if Palpatine was thrown in after Rian killed off Snoke as a save, or if he was there all this time. The former would be an attempted save, the latter is just bad.

The leaked end...Force Ghosts win in the end? Did someone watch Harry Potter 4 and think "yeah, we are doing that"? Ben just fucks off down a space shaft? I'm not going to bother watching this crap.
 
Their's a really sharp line in Empire strikes back which Yoda Says "All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was... what he was doing. " It's such smart line because it he's referancing and foreshadowing Darth Vaders revelation, he's also potentially reflecting on his own errors.

You have to wonder how much time Yoda's spent reflecting on Anakin carving up all those children. Especially if he'd have either put his foot down about teaching the boy, actually taught Anakin himself or least kept him away from Senator Dick head. Lot of time in that Swamp, lot of dead people.

It's a clever subtext since it can be taken multuple ways, something which makes sense. Luke reddit post about the jedi being rubbish doesnt really match up does it?

The Jedi were flawed sure but what they truly needed was a restructure of their order, not borderline extinction, they have become too involved in politics. The Jedi were suppose to defend the weak and protect them from malicious strong but what if the republic turns evil and the separatists are the good guys? Would the Jedi defend them still? People in charge change and so do their ideals and goals, even if they are good now, that probably wont last.
 
As if shit wasn't bad enough with Star Wars, now Disney has to fuck over the entire classic Fox library and throw it in the Disney Vault forever with the exception of Rocky Horror Picture Show for some reason. Oh well... Being locked in the vault is a more merciful fate than what SW got. Unless of course this is their attempt at erasing the past so they can make remakes/reboots...

"Let the Past die. Kill it if you have to."
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Also fuck you Iger and your useless buyouts.


Trust me, I don't doubt for a second that there's infighting going on. I've been saying it for ages that Lucasfilm is probably a cesspit of drama and they want to screw each other over. Question IS why they didn't post pictures before if they hated each other so much? They posted leaks and info, but now they're actually posting pictures. So why didn't they post pics with past leaks? Only other pic I can think of was the costume leak and the storyboards, but they weren't footage from the actual film... Is it possible that JJ was the only one allowed to look at it during editing which is why we're seeing it now? Now that editing and reshoots are over the crew was allowed a sneak preview? Or were employees under some kind of strict observation? Or is it what @WaltherPPGAY said which I'm very inclined to believe.
Reminder, this was the main motive for the Fox buyout.
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As if shit wasn't bad enough with Star Wars, now Disney has to fuck over the entire classic Fox library and throw it in the Disney Vault forever with the exception of Rocky Horror Picture Show for some reason. Oh well... Being locked in the vault is a more merciful fate than what SW got. Unless of course this is their attempt at erasing the past so they can make remakes/reboots...
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Also fuck you Iger and your useless buyouts.
I can't wait for the Alien reboot starring a xenomorph with practical effects.
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I can't wait for the Alien reboot starring a xenomorph with practical effects.
I'm only curious in the sense I want to see how the Rat would fuck up and demolish a series that already had some impressive piles of shit get made.

It's telling that they're actively holding IPs and past films hostage for their shitty streaming service; really making me just want to have Disney get dismantled and rendered bankrupt and then made dead and forgotten as a company rather than just have the upper management get purged like what I'd have said a week ago.
 
I'm only curious in the sense I want to see how the Rat would fuck up and demolish a series that already had some impressive piles of shit get made.

It's telling that they're actively holding IPs and past films hostage for their shitty streaming service; really making me just want to have Disney get dismantled and rendered bankrupt and then made dead and forgotten as a company rather than just have the upper management get purged like what I'd have said a week ago.
Disney is a monopoly in the making. The existence of Warner Brothers is basically the only thing stopping Disney from just eating the entire fucking market for capeshit and CGI movies.

Mark my words, the two will merge at some point, and we'll be fucked unless there's an absolute explosion of independent creators who won't sell out, meaning that we'll almost certainly be fucked when that happens.
 
Disney is a monopoly in the making. The existence of Warner Brothers is basically the only thing stopping Disney from just eating the entire fucking market for capeshit and CGI movies.

Mark my words, the two will merge at some point, and we'll be fucked unless there's an absolute explosion of independent creators who won't sell out, meaning that we'll almost certainly be fucked when that happens.
What’s actually going to stop Disney’s greedy tactics is Iger’s successor being a incompetent idiot who’ll drive down its market cap by getting rid of assets he sees as “not part of the Disney portfolio.”

I hope Amazon or Apple buys them out as karma. Just imagine Jeff Bezos or Tim Cook out of people doing a better job with Star Wars than Disney themselves.
 
...Even villains in Sonichu get more limelight.
This is something I feel has been lost in a lot of storytelling: the stage presence of the antagonist. You don't want them to sit in a corner and come out only when and where they're told, the bad guy should be the most influential and one of, if not the most developed and memorable characters. Let's contrast the OT and ST

Vader is a brilliant example of this: he's in the film from the beginning, he's towering, menacing, speaks with a deep, booming voice, and even his breathing is fucking iconic. Whenever he walks into a goddamn room his theme song blares, and he kills people casually with his bare hands, with a lightsaber, or with his mind when he chooses to. Until it's revealed that he's been just a sad, broken man maintained by machines in RoTJ, nobody knew what he was like beneath the mask, and this was his "face". What was beneath it? Nobody knew until he was redeemed. His design was based on a wide blend of historical armors, pitch black for form and intimidation. When the camera is on Vader and someone else, the camera is mostly on Vader.

When Vader is on set, shit is real. He's fucking bad news, and he doesn't hide it. He's twice the size of everyone else and fills the fucking room.

Kylo, by comparison, shows up at the beginning of TFA and apes Vader's appearances throughout, but he has none of the intimidation. He's shorter, scrawnier, meeker. He doesn't have a recognizable theme, nor the calm intimidating aura Vader had. He's emotional and hysterical. He slams things with his saber and doesn't get any really impressive feats. He gets his ass kicked in the first movie and his face is revealed quickly, killing the suspense. He just seems to have been based on Vader himself, with no real other sources to draw from. He's shallow in design and shallow in motivation. He loses any stage presence when standing near anyone else. Every time he's on set with someone else, the audience is drawn to look at someone else, since his design is bland, his character is bland, and his power is unimpressive compared to the others.

He has no presence. He has no intimidation. He's meek and bent, he's weak and frail. He is relegated to the corner and has very slouched, unsure body language. Compare his stance to Vader's. Vader stands up straight, Vader has an open, powerful stance.

Everything about Kylo, from his imitative design to his shrunken body to his meek, defensive stance screams weakness, where the original, towering, proud Vader was a palpable, instinctual threat.
 
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Saw this interaction on twitter about our tearful friend and thought it amusing enough to share with you niggers
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I honestly cannot believe a latter day NuttyMadam exists in the waking world...and is being showered with praise because he is sucking the right corporate taint
Yeah, Butts is just a giant actor. Nobody in a reasonable state of mind would immediately start crying and hyperventilating at the Lucasfilm logo, even at the fucking peak of their quality. The most excited and emotional I've ever been in my fucking life doesn't hold a candle to this guy's overblown reaction to Rey standing in a desert doing nothing.
 
This is something I feel has been lost in a lot of storytelling: the stage presence of the antagonist. You don't want them to sit in a corner and come out only when and where they're told, the bad guy should be the most influential and one of, if not the most developed and memorable characters. Let's contrast the OT and ST

Vader is a brilliant example of this: he's in the film from the beginning, he's towering, menacing, speaks with a deep, booming voice, and even his breathing is fucking iconic. Whenever he walks into a goddamn room his theme song blares, and he kills people casually with his bare hands, with a lightsaber, or with his mind when he chooses to. Until it's revealed that he's been just a sad, broken man maintained by machines in RoTJ, nobody knew what he was like beneath the mask, and this was his "face". What was beneath it? Nobody knew until he was redeemed. His design was based on a wide blend of historical armors, pitch black for form and intimidation. When the camera is on Vader and someone else, the camera is mostly on Vader.

When Vader is on set, shit is real. He's fucking bad news, and he doesn't hide it. He's twice the size of everyone else and fills the fucking room.

Kylo, by comparison, shows up at the beginning of TFA and apes Vader's appearances throughout, but he has none of the intimidation. He's shorter, scrawnier, meeker. He doesn't have a recognizable theme, nor the calm intimidating aura Vader had. He's emotional and hysterical. He slams things with his saber and doesn't get any really impressive feats. He gets his ass kicked in the first movie and his face is revealed quickly, killing the suspense. He just seems to have been based on Vader himself, with no real other sources to draw from. He's shallow in design and shallow in motivation. He loses any stage presence when standing near anyone else. Every time he's on set with someone else, the audience is drawn to look at someone else, since his design is bland, his character is bland, and his power is unimpressive compared to the others.

He has no presence. He has no intimidation. He's meek and bent, he's weak and frail. He is relegated to the corner and has very slouched, unsure body language. Compare his stance to Vader's. Vader stands up straight, Vader has an open, powerful stance.

Everything about Kylo, from his imitative design to his shrunken body to his meek, defensive stance screams weakness, where the original, towering, proud Vader was a palpable, instinctual threat.

I honestly think they should have hidden Kylo's face even when he removed his helmet, or hell, the only time he removes his helmet is when he is interrogating Rey and we dont see his face, only the back of it while we only see Rey's reaction to it while he talks. That would create a mystery over what he looks like. Imagine instead of getting a scar across the face, he had his helmet on, which caused a piece to fall off, revealing just a small fraction of it?

Rey: I didnt see a monster, I have seen a man. And thats the scariest part.
 
I honestly think they should have hidden Kylo's face even when he removed his helmet, or hell, the only time he removes his helmet is when he is interrogating Rey and we dont see his face, only the back of it while we only see Rey's reaction to it while he talks. That would create a mystery over what he looks like. Imagine instead of getting a scar across the face, he had his helmet on, which caused a piece to fall off, revealing just a small fraction of it?

Rey: I didnt see a monster, I have seen a man. And thats the scariest part.
The thing about masks/helmets is that they have a very powerful thematic and cultural history going back basically to the first time man ever made clothes. Masks can signify false identities, theatrics, mourning, defensiveness, secrecy, and more. The concept of "the man behind the mask" being scary/impressive for being ordinary isn't a new one either, most famously the Wizard Of Oz's reveal of just being a man behind a curtain.

By revealing to the entire audience that Kylo is human, and an ordinary looking one, and an emotional one, the mystery is dissolved. Him just showing only characters his face, and them reacting in shock and horror could work, especially if his face is hidden until the end, when it's revealed he's been human.

In order for this to really, truly work, the magnitude of his misdeed should have been far greater. He should have been more than an edgy tryhard Vader, he should have been a monster. Then and only then would everything make sense upon the reveal, as the true horror wasn't that he was malformed or an alien or a robot, the true stab to the gut could have been that he was an ordinary man. This would also be fucking poetry with Vader and Palpatine, since let's go over them

Palpatine's face was, according to some EU stuff, always mangled the way it was. That's just what being a Sith did to you. He hid his rot beneath a mask projected by the Force, and he discarded it to show his villainous nature.
Vader wore a mask to hide the fact that he wasn't just a man, but a broken and vulnerable one. The mask kept him alive, and the mask kept him mysterious. He wore a mask to hide his weakness.

This new sith I created could have had the best of both worlds, keeping themask on for an air of mystery, and discarding it to demonstrate to certain captives that anyone could fall to darkness.
 
This is something I feel has been lost in a lot of storytelling: the stage presence of the antagonist. You don't want them to sit in a corner and come out only when and where they're told, the bad guy should be the most influential and one of, if not the most developed and memorable characters. Let's contrast the OT and ST

Vader is a brilliant example of this: he's in the film from the beginning, he's towering, menacing, speaks with a deep, booming voice, and even his breathing is fucking iconic. Whenever he walks into a goddamn room his theme song blares, and he kills people casually with his bare hands, with a lightsaber, or with his mind when he chooses to. Until it's revealed that he's been just a sad, broken man maintained by machines in RoTJ, nobody knew what he was like beneath the mask, and this was his "face". What was beneath it? Nobody knew until he was redeemed. His design was based on a wide blend of historical armors, pitch black for form and intimidation. When the camera is on Vader and someone else, the camera is mostly on Vader.

When Vader is on set, shit is real. He's fucking bad news, and he doesn't hide it. He's twice the size of everyone else and fills the fucking room.

Kylo, by comparison, shows up at the beginning of TFA and apes Vader's appearances throughout, but he has none of the intimidation. He's shorter, scrawnier, meeker. He doesn't have a recognizable theme, nor the calm intimidating aura Vader had. He's emotional and hysterical. He slams things with his saber and doesn't get any really impressive feats. He gets his ass kicked in the first movie and his face is revealed quickly, killing the suspense. He just seems to have been based on Vader himself, with no real other sources to draw from. He's shallow in design and shallow in motivation. He loses any stage presence when standing near anyone else. Every time he's on set with someone else, the audience is drawn to look at someone else, since his design is bland, his character is bland, and his power is unimpressive compared to the others.

He has no presence. He has no intimidation. He's meek and bent, he's weak and frail. He is relegated to the corner and has very slouched, unsure body language. Compare his stance to Vader's. Vader stands up straight, Vader has an open, powerful stance.

Everything about Kylo, from his imitative design to his shrunken body to his meek, defensive stance screams weakness, where the original, towering, proud Vader was a palpable, instinctual threat.
The thing is, that’s literally what he was INTENDED to be portrayed as: this bratty child who wants more than anything to be like Vader, who’s so deeply brainwashed with Dark Side ideology that he’s willing to murder his own father. He’s not supposed to be imposing, he’s supposed to be pathetic. He’s the antithesis of the big bad, literally nothing more than Snoke’s puppet.

Kylo killing Han should have been the turning point for the character - where he realizes that he’s gone past the point of no return, and regrets everything, turning on the dark side yet knowing that he will never be accepted by the protagonists. Perhaps he would spend the second movie trying to aid Rey and co. only to be rebuffed, and then barges into the climax of the last film for a heroic sacrifice.
 
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