2019-10-16 - Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

[UnKillFill]

I like how this news is only number 2 on the board compared to the several day old tranny ball waxing story.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Most of the people in this thread have clearly never seen a subpoena for information before. This is what they look like. They say "John Haversham is commanded to appear..." and then later say "If you provide the following information, you do not have to appear." It means they just want the info and you can just hand over whatever documents and call it a day. You could appear if you wanted but I've never seen someone do it.

There's no need to appear in person when it's not necessary. The better thing to do is submit what information is available -- either electornically or via whatever method the court specifies -- and verify that there is nothing else needed as a follow-up.

It's probably a form letter that just lists all the data that a website may have which would be useful to law enforcement to track down a user. The fact that Kiwi Farms accepts donations via Visa giftcards and crypto, encourages VPN use and only keeps data for 24 hour is not something they're going to look into. They'll just send out the form letter and leave it to the recipient to explain how they don't have that sort of info.

Entities that perform audits or make request/subpoenas for information generally send out the same form letter for everything even if 90% of the bullet points on the list of requested items are irrelevant, not applicable, not present, or simply not needed. In short, it's boilerplate text that doesn't get customized to the specific scenario; and, many non-court entities do the same thing.

The terminology "neoprint" and "photoprint" seems to be exclusively used terminology between Facebook and the DOJ. This leaked internal PDF from Facebook Corporate about handling LEO inquiries is the only other document I can find that talks about neoprints.

Very eye-opening stuff . In light of this, I don't see how anyone can still insist unironically that social media platforms don't collect this type of metadata and personal information behind the scenes.

As much as Null is fiercely loyal to free speech and his userbase's anonymity on the 'Farms, he seems intelligent enough to know it's not a good idea to mess with the Feds and a Federal Grand Jury Subpoena. Logically, I envision him consulting an attorney to ask "How do I properly respond to this, give them what pertinent information I might still have, and do so without trouble or further hassle?" assuming he hasn't done so already.

TL;DR - Null is working on a response if it hasn't been made already, and this should be a nothingburger for all but the user in question based on this thread and the other recent one about the disappearing canary trap.

 

[Mocha Shaka Khan]

he didn't way give user info under legal threats from an entire fucking foreign country

A country that happens to have HALF the population of NYC.

 

[Kaede Did Nothing Wrong]

listened to the stream, null wasn't very specific but sounds like the EFF gave him the cold shoulder in all this. if there was a way other than compliance, or making sure gov has done the appropriate work to make such a request, he would need that kind of legal team to know.

I don't have a ton of faith invested in these lobbies, but I guess I expect more high mindedness from them. if they allow the government to set precedents when prosecuting the untouchables then they're not protecting anyone's freedom, just ensuring our rights get a controlled demolition.

 

[Shibaru]

inb4 he does give the ip's but they all lead to some pizza hut in alaska

 

[BOLDYSPICY!]

A country that happens to have HALF the population of NYC.

It's the principle of the thing.

listened to the stream, null wasn't very specific but sounds like the EFF gave him the cold shoulder in all this. if there was a way other than compliance, or making sure gov has done the appropriate work to make such a request, he would need that kind of legal team to know.

I don't have a ton of faith invested in these lobbies, but I guess I expect more high mindedness from them. if they allow the government to set precedents when prosecuting the untouchables then they're not protecting anyone's freedom, just ensuring our rights get a controlled demolition.

He's said specifically that Internet advocacy groups won't do shit. None of them will touch this case.

 

[Give Her The D]

ProtonVPN glows in the dark


Someone was ddossing / fucking with protonmail (also owned by them) and was using protonvpn.

They assisted authorities and a few weeks later they (the hacker) were mysteriously raided by feds. Do with this information what you will but I'm pretty sure they keep a bunch of info

From my understanding, Proton being a fed honeypot was partially debunked a while back. Essentially, Proton says the Tesonet accusations were part of a smear campaign by PIA, but you believe what you want.

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

All I wantrd to do is laugh at fat people on the internet, and now I have to worry about the ones who glow in the dark.

No worries, pal, we good. But you should do something about your slightly to high cholesterol level. Just sayin'.

 

[KingFrampt]

Might not be a fed honeypot but still suspicious

The UK National Crime Agency announced Duke-Cohan's arrest earlier today, along with the teenager's guilty plea for making bomb threats against 400 schools and a UK-to-US intercontinental flight.

In blog posts published today after the NCA announcement, ProtonMail and infosec journalist Brian Krebs --whose site Apophis Squad members had also hit with DDoS attacks-- confirmed that information they provided to authorities following attacks on their sites led to Duke-Cohan's arrest.

Hacker uses ProtonMail VPN. Hacker DDoSes ProtonMail. Hacker gets arrested. | ZDNet

Braggadocio teen part of up-and-coming Apophis Squad hacking squad fails to protect his identity. Gets promptly arrested by UK police. Pleads guilty.

www.zdnet.com

However, what is unclear about this is if it was information from the DDoS or his connection logs

 

[Shaka Brah]

listened to the stream, null wasn't very specific but sounds like the EFF gave him the cold shoulder in all this. if there was a way other than compliance, or making sure gov has done the appropriate work to make such a request, he would need that kind of legal team to know.

I don't have a ton of faith invested in these lobbies, but I guess I expect more high mindedness from them. if they allow the government to set precedents when prosecuting the untouchables then they're not protecting anyone's freedom, just ensuring our rights get a controlled demolition.

People like the EFF and GoA/NRA never seem to take cases with bad optics, even if it means losing rights.

 

[AgriDrThunder]

I can't help but think that this is a convoluted scheme to trap null up for somehow impeding an investigation or not satisfactorily complying with a court order. It doesn't matter if it's valid or not, just if a federal prosecutor can convince a jury that Josh is a public menace which is a relatively low bar. SDNY is not above bullshit, petty, political prosecutions as this very subpoena proves; why is a United States Attorney and a Federal Grand Jury in any way concerned with a crime committed by a German national, in Germany, against Germans? Fuck off with that.

Might be worth strategically cucking in this one case.

On the bright side, we'll probably get an up-to-date photo of dear feeder out of this so we'll be able to see how much borsch weight he's put on so that's cool.

 

[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

Do you own a suit, Null?

He should wear his birthday.

Very classy.

EDIT: Null should burn the doc, send it back in a baggy and tell them to snort it.

Include a straw if you want to make it look like you care.

 

[Stoneheart]

If this is about me, my name is Sebastian Kurz.

 

[deodorant]

Damn, I should get into those shooter threads faster.

You can't subpeona a stick of deodorant.

 

[Jason "Qriist" Close]

He should wear his birthday.

Very classy.

EDIT: Null should burn the doc, send it back in a baggy and tell them to snort it.

Include a straw if you want to make it look like you care.

A plastic straw, at that. Watch NYC lose their composure over a straw.

 

[Mason Verger]

Well, I guess there’s only one recourse to the entire sites contents getting subpoenaed..


Unspoiler every image of Chris and Phil’s crotch wounds. Let that shit ride, baby!

 

[Get Phobo]

Bro, you can't just hide from the US. Regardless of all the bullshit the US law is still the most favorable to this site.

To get self-employment status in RusFed/Ukr/Poland, you need thousands of dollars of foreign investment on top of paying for a lawyer to handle the absolute hell that is post-soviet bureaucracy.

In Poland, all you need is fill out one form with your municipal administration, and obtain mandatory social security at around €130 per month. They are a EU country with a lot of stability and order now. Russia and Ukraine are different stories. Ukraine might get better some day if they join the EU as well.

 

[ILovePudding]

I picture Jonah Hill as Null in the Oliver Stone adaptation. Question is what weight will Hill be at.

I think Bobby Hill would be better.

 

[Fish-Eyed Fool]

fag0ts ruin everything.

 

[repentance]

I say he just give up what little information he does have in this instance, even if that goes against what Null stands for & sets a dangerous precedent. He didn't give away user info under threats from actual terrorists, he didn't way give user info under legal threats from an entire fucking foreign country, & has had only one data breach in the six years he's run his site, which was a complete accident he felt so shitty about he completely reversed a stance he refused to budge on.

I say, just this once, throw this faggot to the wolves & save yourself some bullshit. If you happen to be on the East Coast some other time I'll buy you a drink then.

KF's stated policy is to comply with valid US legal requests. People post here knowing that so it would be completely unfair for anyone to now expect Null to fight a valid US legal request - especially one from a star chamber grand jury.