2019-10-16 - Federal Grand Jury Subpoena

[Smug Cat]

Feds scattershot investigating anything and everything to do with edgy "rightwing" posts. Yeah no Jews involved there.
Freedom of speech suppression in the US. Yeah no Jews involved there.
Man why do people always think it's the Jews? I'm not gonna go on some sperg rant about cockroaches or pull an "all Jews," but it's pretty obvious there is a group of very elite Zionist Jews with a lot of power in the US pulling a lot of strings for their own benefit.

Fam, if edgy right-wing posting got scattershot investigated by the feds to the point of convening a grand jury, there would be far, far more than a single subpoena for a single user on this site.

 

[Liquid Cool]

Does a custodian witness have to attend? Or can they just send the documents? Personally I'd advise against attending unless legally compelled to do so. Otherwise, you might get Bill Clintoned - trapped by giving inconsistent testimony on a matter unrelated to the matter being investigated.

If you're legally compelled to attend then you need to lawyer the fuck up and be very careful not to fall into this trap.

For the grand jury. you would need to attend unless he qualifies for an exemption (death is one of them) which I don't think he matches any of the criteria for. Otherwise, you can just not comply unless they issue a material witness order. I'm not sure how willingly the feds issue those. State-wise, we're actively discouraged from using them.

This is an instance where I suspect he can actually ignore it and nothing will happen.

The government has way less power over you than you think. A lot of it is equivalent to peer pressure.

 

[AceKaczynski]

Newfag here, can someone update me on what the fuck is going on?

 

[repentance]

For the grand jury. you would need to attend unless he qualifies for an exemption (death is one of them) which I don't think he matches any of the criteria for. Otherwise, you can just not comply unless they issue a material witness order. I'm not sure how willingly the feds issue those. State-wise, we're actively discouraged from using them.

This is an instance where I suspect he can actually ignore it and nothing will happen.

The government has way less power over you than you think. A lot of it is equivalent to peer pressure.

It literally says in the documents that Null doesn't have to attend if he provides the requested information beforehand. It also states that failure to comply will constitute contempt and expose Null to civil and criminal sanctions Ignoring it would be beyond stupid given the havoc the US government can reek on Null's life if they become so inclined.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Newfag here, can someone update me on what the fuck is going on?

The feds sent a letter, Null is pissed and everyone else is just having a laugh about it.

 

[Philosophy Phil]

Dear Legal Agent/Officer and Federal Agent/Officer reading this thread and taking notes. Ahem.
"Caca poopoo peepee. Fart fart tinkle sprinkles peepeeweenuspeenus."

Put that in your dossier and suck it.

 

[Siriusly]

Do not appear in person - you never know who is holding a grudge and wants to detain you when you enter the country. Budget lawyer up and have them send an official reply with the requested information which will basically be a nullburger because of the KF data retention policy. Yes, you must respond - unfair as it is. Also disclosure of what they are really after would be nice.

 

[AnOminous]

Do not appear in person - you never know who is holding a grudge and wants to detain you when you enter the country. Budget lawyer up and have them send an official reply with the requested information which will basically be a nullburger because of the KF data retention policy. Yes, you must respond - unfair as it is. Also disclosure of what they are really after would be nice.

Unless it's some super voodoo it should be obvious when something gets filed in the Southern District of New York relevant to the discovery. They might even issue a press release when they unseal the indictment if it's one of those high profile cases SDNY is so fond of.

 

[repentance]

Unless it's some super voodoo it should be obvious when something gets filed in the Southern District of New York relevant to the discovery. They might even issue a press release when they unseal the indictment if it's one of those high profile cases SDNY is so fond of.

On the other hand, stuff can remain sealed for years - like the majority of the Epstein shit did.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Newfag here, can someone update me on what the fuck is going on?

It would seem that the feds want to dox a KF user who put up some information authored by a mass shooter (attempted mass shooter? IIRC he fucking sucked at it). The poster was not the shooter in question and was probably just posting it from another open source since the shooter posted it all over (it was just taken down in most places). To that end a grand jury issued a subpoena that 'requested' Null remain silent and just hand over the stuff they wanted without making a peep.

While it's not so broad as to indicate that the feebs have decided to arrest all kiwis, it's disturbing that they are trying to investigate the posting of perfectly legal information- and it reeks of Eurofaggery.

 

[muh_moobs]

Pretty confident legit court summonses aren't sent via email . . .

Particularly since all of those documents list an address for Kiwifarms. One would assume they'd, ya know, send a courts process server, or at least send via registered letter to confirm receipt. And why would the US government ask that documents be shipped via a service other than the USPS? Why specify a specific courier at all?

Sure seems like some unofficial hi-jinks to me.

 

[AnOminous]

Pretty confident legit court summonses aren't sent via email . . .

Do you seriously think Null is fucking dumb enough to treat a subpoena as real without verifying it?

 

[muh_moobs]

Do you seriously think Null is fucking dumb enough to treat a subpoena as real without verifying it?

No, but if everyone else gets to have an asshole and an opinion, I want both too. I also haven't read through the entire thread because I'm lazy.

P.S. I edited my previous post to add more postulation.

 

[James Smith]

How dumb does Null look?

I plead the Fith.

 

[Blood Bath & Beyond]

I don't understand why a minor shooting that happened in Germany is of any concern to the US, nor why they would be issuing a subpoena to Null for materials that are legal to possess and distribute. I'm sure Josh already looked into it, but my first instinct was that this was some sort of twisted troon trolling attempt. Also, since when does the government send emails? I would have thought that official correspondence of this sort would be through federal mail only. So much about this is confusing and most of all it sucks to see that the US is actually no better than the faggot island of New Zealand.

 

[Ellesse_warrior]

We don't know that a registered letter wasn't also sent. Lawyers often send a letter and an email with a soft copy. I don't think the fact that we're looking at an email makes it less legitimate. They are probably well aware that Null doesn't live in the country the contact address is in, makes sense to send a soft copy too.

 

[Twinkie]

I don't understand why a minor shooting that happened in Germany is of any concern to the US, nor why they would be issuing a subpoena to Null for materials that are legal to possess and distribute. I'm sure Josh already looked into it, but my first instinct was that this was some sort of twisted troon trolling attempt. Also, since when does the government send emails? I would have thought that official correspondence of this sort would be through federal mail only. So much about this is confusing and most of all it sucks to see that the US is actually no better than the faggot island of New Zealand.

It doesn't have to be illegal.

edit: to try and give an example, if walmart were to get a subpoena requesting surveillance footage from X store location during X time period, that doesn't mean walmart filming or retaining the footage is illegal, it doesn't mean walmart is being accused of a crime.

i'm betting null and even fag0t are walmart.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

"Kill all Jews"
And then basically
Kill everybody else.

Good thing that guy was such a fuckup.

 

[fаg0t]

I run a couple of Tor exit nodes so I get these letters all the time, exact same template. I just ignore them.

It's amusing to observe and contrast @Null's meek humility here with his strident posturing over the Christchurch business, which was fucking cringe by the way. A firm but polite "no" to the Australian authorities would have sufficed, but you had to act like a petulant little shit and make a performance out of it for your silly forum. Not so fucking cocky now, huh fag0t?

 

[Null]

It's amusing to observe and contrast @Null's meek humility here with his strident posturing over the Christchurch business, which was fucking cringe by the way. A firm but polite "no" to the Australian authorities would have sufficed, but you had to act like a petulant little shit and make a performance out of it for your silly forum. Not so fucking cocky now, huh fag0t?

America matters, New Zealand doesn't.
America sent proper papers, New Zealand didn't.
America has a position of power and acts according, New Zealand doesn't and didn't.

That's the difference.