Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Rian is being cucked out, and the success or failure of Knives Out will see where he goes, as does how big of a cuck he is.

::from what I know:: Lucasfilm is monitoring his social media

He has kind of Chuck Wendiged himself a little with his twitter rants
Unlike the GoT guys, Rian doesn't have anything lined up to jump to. And Rian almost certainly had more than a handshake deal if it made it to Variety,

IDk "Assuming he and KK aren't lying." (which is a big assumption)
the deal was
"we work so great togther lets do three more of these SW films"

and it came out as buzz to fluff up TLJ

but that doesn't mean anything if there is no budget attached.
I'll also say that Rian has better prospects at Disney than GoT guys; Rian could be given a small, non-SW film at Disney or an affiliate, and will likely get that if Knives Out does well and he isn't a total cuck (even if he is a total cuck, because they might convince him to take "small project while we get everything lined up for the trilogy")

Or "We will sign you for a 5 picture first look deal on distribution but you can't talk about what happened at Lucasfilm."

If Knives Out bombs, he'll be strung along because he's a naive cuck or he has nothing else. Maybe both.

IDK about its butget but its cast is so big I expect them to pull people in at least initially ((thats why I am going))
Kevin Feige is likely getting a SW movie. It depends on how badly EPIX does. As I said before, never believe anything about a project happening unless cameras are rolling. But Kevin is a proven money maker.

There will be a sweet spot where Kevin won't do a SW movie. If EPIX does really well, they'll naturally shoot another movie. If EPIX tanks, they'll probably need to shoot another (good) movie to try to salvage the brand. But if EPIX does just sort of Ok, speculating I would say just around TLJ levels or a little under, I have a feeling the movie will never materialize.
At that level it didn't make enough money to make Disney feel certain about future films, but shows SW still will put butts in seats maintaining the value of the property.

When sorting through Hollywood bullshit its hard to tell if something is legit, spin, or 4-D chess. Lots of stuff people really believe is true and going to happen ends up evaporating. Sometimes it was never real and was just smoke and mirrors. Sometimes people will spin smoke and mirrors shit, get it into the right hands or in front of the right eyes, to make it happen.

I SUSPECT they will want Feige to hand hold them through integrating their films with Disney Plus and setting a new tone/theme/expectation. Also IF Plan IX (a Star Wars story) fails a "Kevin Feige SW story" is what will help patch the movie brand up and get people in the theater. but it will have big expectations

Yeah, I forgot they had the Netflix deal lined up. As @Mola Ram said, they probably aren't too broken up over it: The carrot for them was a jump from TV to Movies. That's like a jump from Minors to Majors. (Though not quite, as the jump isn't that severe; there is apparently a soccer analogy that explains the difference better, but as I'm not a eurofag I don't remember it).
I'm not sure exactly what made them jump ship; every director is different and has a different agent backing them up. They may have had a dude doing market research, they may have an inside source at Disney - they might go to a Psychic who told them today is day to tell Disney to go fuck themselves
(Industry Relative says a large number of Studio higher ups & talent visit psychics; I could sperg on that a bit, but the tl;dr is the movement of the stars and moons influences a disturbing amount of shit.)

So "I suspect" a lot of this gets tied up in KK being a Dead Woman walking. Her contract got renewed and [for the length of her remaining tenure] their are no new SW films planned. I don't think they want to commit to any plans of hers until they see for certain (with Plan IX) if she has ruined the movie brand. I suspect B+W saw the tea leaves and planned an exit strategy

I "further suspect" they saw the change in focus to D+ and saw their project wasnt D+ connected and they realized they might have gotten cut and bounded
Its also possible, given the impending Netflix/Disney+ war, they were asked by one party or another to pick a side. Netflix was cutting a check, Disney was still waffling, it was not a hard choice.
100% agree here

I am holding judgement on Knives Out - not going to watch it as Rian has gone full insocjus for it and says as such - but I honestly can't tell how well it will play. They are shilling hard, its Rian going back to form. But at same time, it wouldn't be the first time going woke has turned a project to shit as Orange Man Bad and Love Wins takes precedence over plot, story, character, or common sense. It could go either way.
I don't like Rian's body of work (looper I was at least entertained by)
That said given the cast and the campy satirical/parody vibe the trailers I am giving me I am looking to see how it plays out


Decent post, but you're way off on the importance of merch.
Also the problem is Millenials say they want Woke Diversity, but for some reason stuff with trannies shoe-horned in tends to have very little staying power or reach. Twitter seems to have very little berring on reality.

Each level of the pyramid builds on itself and feeds back on itself.




Only things I'd add to your good:


-Chinese largely only understand fiction in the terms of chinese history/mythology. In the OT, it is an upscaled Matinee, and any culture that understands Melodrama will do well with the OT - this (one of several) reasons it struck a cord in Japan. The PT trilogy was very top heavy plotwise, with enough action to keep a chinaman entertained for 2 hours, but that doesn't make then a fan.
Let me demonstrate what I mean:
There are (or were, loldisney) boutique showings on a regular basis of Star Wars, Alien, Rocky Horror...films that did no where near as well as the first Iron Man movie.
How many people do you know who still watch (or fuck, still remember) the first Iron Man movie?
The first Iron man isnt remotely rewatchable

I mean we could paint SW over the top of Journey to the west and it would do gangbusters business [prob globally]
- For kids, they did the wrong sort of diversity. None of the toys are FUN, and the ones that are fun are donut steels from OT trilogy. Kids want a four armed green lizard man, not a dumpy asian girl. Girls don't want some flat girl with a bunch of stupid hipster man-buns, they want a cool glamorous doll.

That is PART of the problem with the toys

But what has Rey done in ANY of those stories that kids would want to Replicate? [Or any of the characters]
 
I am holding judgement on Knives Out - not going to watch it as Rian has gone full insocjus for it and says as such - but I honestly can't tell how well it will play. They are shilling hard, its Rian going back to form. But at same time, it wouldn't be the first time going woke has turned a project to shit as Orange Man Bad and Love Wins takes precedence over plot, story, character, or common sense. It could go either way.

Interesting. I thought ALL the characters were supposed to be rich, selfish, vapid twits and whatever political views they were espousing were shallow, etc. IOW if there's a Trump supporter they'll be presented as an idiot, but only because EVERYBODY is being presented as idiots. I can see that doing well, but if it truly is Clue: The Movie SJW Edition? Probably do well in a few markets, die in most and be on NetFlix or wherever before anyone's back is turned.
 
Interesting. I thought ALL the characters were supposed to be rich, selfish, vapid twits and whatever political views they were espousing were shallow, etc. IOW if there's a Trump supporter they'll be presented as an idiot, but only because EVERYBODY is being presented as idiots. I can see that doing well, but if it truly is Clue: The Movie SJW Edition? Probably do well in a few markets, die in most and be on NetFlix or wherever before anyone's back is turned.

I'll be curious to see the disparity between Critic and Audience reactions on RT.
 
Interesting. I thought ALL the characters were supposed to be rich, selfish, vapid twits and whatever political views they were espousing were shallow, etc. IOW if there's a Trump supporter they'll be presented as an idiot, but only because EVERYBODY is being presented as idiots. I can see that doing well, but if it truly is Clue: The Movie SJW Edition? Probably do well in a few markets, die in most and be on NetFlix or wherever before anyone's back is turned.
Given how Rian handled TLJ there's a good chance that all of the characters will be idiots, but only half of them are intentionally written that way.
 
I think the trailer makes the film look pretty bad. Not as bad as Birds of Prey's trailer does to itself, but I lost a lot of interest just because of the awful jokes in the trailer.

I'll be honest, his handling of TLJ and especially his social media assholishness since then have biased me to the point I am completely incapable of giving the film a fair shake.
 
So I watched the launch trailer for Fallen Order

God, I hate the disney inquisitor designs, from the helicopter blades to the toy like armor

Who approves this shit?
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Friendly reminder that this creature is a female.
 
Interesting. I thought ALL the characters were supposed to be rich, selfish, vapid twits and whatever political views they were espousing were shallow, etc. IOW if there's a Trump supporter they'll be presented as an idiot, but only because EVERYBODY is being presented as idiots. I can see that doing well, but if it truly is Clue: The Movie SJW Edition? Probably do well in a few markets, die in most and be on NetFlix or wherever before anyone's back is turned.

As I understand it, the whole "woke moral" will be the strong Latinax is the future of America and trirumphs despite the oppression of all the rich, foolish white people. I could be wrong, I stopped caring the minute I saw him going on about trump and the woke messaging in his film and it being "definitely political"

It will play well in US & UK and almost assuredly do poorly everywhere else.

His body of work is super over-rated

I was completely blown away by Brick. For the first ten minutes I thought I was going to hate it, then it pulled a hard one 180, and sucked me in as I understood what he was doing, and I liked the movie so much I bought it on disc. Its not some high work of art or anything, but its a very competent and entertaining film.

Brothers Bloom was a Wes Anderson shameless immitation homage that was somehow slightly less far up its own ass than the films it was copying; if you like Wes Anderson movies you'll like it, if you don't then there's not enough different going on to hold you through it.

I only say his body of work isn't super over-rated because outside of this thread, and TLJ asside, I have never heard anyone talk about any of his movies except for me introducing them to Brick and saying a variation of "I wasn't sure about it at first, but that was pretty good".
And Looper I guess, but again it was fairly muted praise. Honestly I thought Looper would have worked better without the stupid psychic powers shit
 
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I was completely blown away by Brick. For the first ten minutes I thought I was going to hate it, then it pulled a hard one 180, and sucked me in as I understood what he was doing, and I liked the movie so much I bought it on disc. Its not some high work of art or anything, but its a very competent and entertaining film.

Brothers Bloom was a Wes Anderson shameless immitation homage that was somehow slightly less far up its own ass than the films it was copying; if you like Wes Anderson movies you'll like it, if you don't then there's not enough different going on to hold you through it.

I only say his body of work isn't super over-rated because outside of this thread, and TLJ asside, I have never heard anyone talk about any of his movies except for me introducing them to Brick and saying a variation of "I wasn't sure about it at first, but that was pretty good".
And Looper I guess, but again it was fairly muted praise.

Brick didnt impress me: It was an extremely competent first film, it showed promise and talent, but he lacked a depth of understanding of the tropes he was playing with. [a recurring problem]

Brothers Bloom I (largely) agree with you on

Looper he screwed up the ending. I think it would have been a solid movie but everything fell apart in the third act

TLJ was absolute trash. His worst movie
 
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As I understand it, the whole "woke moral" will be the strong Latinax is the future of America and trirumphs despite the oppression of all the rich, foolish white people. I could be wrong, I stopped caring the minute I saw

It will play well in US & UK and almost assuredly do poorly everywhere else.



I was completely blown away by Brick. For the first ten minutes I thought I was going to hate it, then it pulled a hard one 180, and sucked me in as I understood what he was doing, and I liked the movie so much I bought it on disc. Its not some high work of art or anything, but its a very competent and entertaining film.

Brothers Bloom was a Wes Anderson shameless immitation homage that was somehow slightly less far up its own ass than the films it was copying; if you like Wes Anderson movies you'll like it, if you don't then there's not enough different going on to hold you through it.

I only say his body of work isn't super over-rated because outside of this thread, and TLJ asside, I have never heard anyone talk about any of his movies except for me introducing them to Brick and saying a variation of "I wasn't sure about it at first, but that was pretty good".
And Looper I guess, but again it was fairly muted praise. Honestly I thought Looper would have worked better without the stupid psychic powers shit

Can't forget his work on Breaking Bad, which included the most divisive episode ("Fly") and the most universally acclaimed ("Ozymandias").
 
To them, Han, Leia and Luke are just fiction to be exploited...
Worse still, to the managers within Disney this:
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looks exactly the same as this:
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As @Mola Ram said, they probably aren't too broken up over it: The carrot for them was a jump from TV to Movies. That's like a jump from Minors to Majors.
Ironic. Since we're talking about Hollywood, an apt description might also be "jumping from adults to minors".
 
::from what I know:: Lucasfilm is monitoring his social media

He has kind of Chuck Wendiged himself a little with his twitter rants


IDk "Assuming he and KK aren't lying." (which is a big assumption)
the deal was
"we work so great togther lets do three more of these SW films"

and it came out as buzz to fluff up TLJ



Or "We will sign you for a 5 picture first look deal on distribution but you can't talk about what happened at Lucasfilm."

Rian, or at least his agent, should have gotten him some sort of financial consideration while waiting. Unless he or his agent is complete dumbass, they'd have something in writing.
I believe KK likes Rian and wants to give him more work, especially given how quickly he's assimilated her SJW mindset. But she's been sack tapped with how bad things have imploded.

I don't know enough about what Rian was promised, or what he's being promised now, and how he's being promised it.
There is definitely alot of bravado in Disney's current postering.


IDK about its butget but its cast is so big I expect them to pull people in at least initially ((thats why I am going))


I SUSPECT they will want Feige to hand hold them through integrating their films with Disney Plus and setting a new tone/theme/expectation. Also IF Plan IX (a Star Wars story) fails a "Kevin Feige SW story" is what will help patch the movie brand up and get people in the theater. but it will have big expectations



So "I suspect" a lot of this gets tied up in KK being a Dead Woman walking. Her contract got renewed and [for the length of her remaining tenure] their are no new SW films planned. I don't think they want to commit to any plans of hers until they see for certain (with Plan IX) if she has ruined the movie brand. I suspect B+W saw the tea leaves and planned an exit strategy

I "further suspect" they saw the change in focus to D+ and saw their project wasnt D+ connected and they realized they might have gotten cut and bounded

I SPECULATE that KK will keep her contract and though XI and then "step down" for another opportunity if it does poorly. Disney might just be renewing her contract as a show of confidence. But who knows, maybe they will just burn the whole thing to the ground for those sweet millenial dollars.

But this why I don't like to speculate too much on Hollywood studio office shennanigans, because unless you've got someone on the inside, its a complete black box. When trying to interpret motives, you also can't assume people are logical or rational actors; you can't even rely on machevellian self interest. Its all spin and bullshit, and from 1500 miles away, you can't really hope to pierce through ti.

If you care about that sort of shit, Variety is usually a decent solid waste filter/barometer since they have people watching actors and reporting on movements because again, everything is fake until dollars are being spent and Actors aren't going to a shoot unless thye're getting a check.

Each level of the pyramid builds on itself and feeds back on itself.

Probably should have been a little more clear - Merch sales should be more important.


The first Iron man isnt remotely rewatchable

And that's my point. Its entertaining, there are explosions and fights and RDJ being Tony Stark. There isn't a lot of gradiant to characters, so you can watch almost any scene and figure out what's going on with a limited grasp on the language being spoken. But that's it. People pay their money, watch it, and then move on to the next thing.

Kids buy the toys because you can recreate all the explosions and fights and make new ones. Adults will see a sequel and think 'well I liked the last one well enough', but you aren't creating a loyal base.

Also, incorrect: There is rifftrax of Iron Man, so it is rewatchable at least once.

I mean we could paint SW over the top of Journey to the west and it would do gangbusters business [prob globally]

Possibly. I'm outside-looking-in enough to know I fully "get" the characters and their interactions even if I can watch it and follow it.

I guess I should also add that the dislike of fiction that doesn't exist inside of current Historial Mythological & Historical context is also an outgrowth of the government, being that everything that doesn't serve the Party is banned or censored. That's all they've known, for pretty much ever.

That is PART of the problem with the toys

But what has Rey done in ANY of those stories that kids would want to Replicate? [Or any of the characters]

Rey's done a lot of things, like fly the falcon, fight Kylo Ren, stand around with mouth agape. The problem is that she just DOES that stuff, there's no struggle, it doesn't MEAN anything.
 
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Reminder that this is more representative of the character design coming out of SWTOR today:

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One of the benefits with playing imperial is avoiding this strong woman. Hopefully she stays dead, but of course no one ever stays dead in an mmo.

Also miraculously there are no penis skin aliens in the game even though it's current year star wars, just pre Disney aliens, it's weird seeing tw'leks and Sith purebloods
 
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