Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[TexOffender]

I’m a little bummed that I missed the Grigsby hate party.
Let me just say this. Grigsby is too sheltered as an employee to understand what is happening to Vic from a professional level. Modern economics have already passed her by and she has made no effort to understand a new world. To say nothing of thinking she were standing up for Monica and Jaime instead of ignoring their ridiculous treatment by Funimation.
If Grigsby were a contractor, instead of a metro employee, with the same poor writing, warmed over reporting, and lack of context. she’d be begging for scraps under a bridge.

If a tell all book about this entire thing comes out I'd be all over it. The amazon reviews would be an epic trashfire.

 

[Mister Y]

Dude’s a flat earthier.

He is not.

He made a comment about perspectives, using the way humans perceive earth to be flat as an exemple.
He didn't say he thinks the earth is flat.

The sky is red to the ones whose eyes bleed.
Look that idiot, he thinks the sky is red!
That's what was done here.

The problem is that he words his thoughts really weirdly.
Probably trying to sound smarter...

 

[Mr._Blonde]

Collen following Vic, even though he said she was one of them that hated him. Huh. This interesting. Maybe she doesn't like Vic, but she hates Monica even more. I think this might be a "The Enemy of my enemy is also my friend" situation. She doesn't care for him, but she hates them more.

When Nicky Rackets said there somebody leaking info on Moronica and her ilk and if she know who it is, it would break her. Without going into particulars and being long winded, my money is on Natalie Rial, Monica's baby sister.

 

[HighwayStar]

It's interesting that a bunch of VAs dropped Vic on Twitter after the dismissal, or started leaning heavier into retweeting/liking crap. Really makes you think they don't believe what they're saying or doing, and are just following orders. Like when the case was 'dismissed', it was a sign to everyone that Funi and the rest won (not just the case), and there would be no unseating them or upsetting the power dynamic.

I'm getting at dual points here that ultimately add up to the same thing. First: people who unfollowed Vic or jumped on the bandwagon suddenly at the DMN article and dismissal very likely don't believe what they're shilling, or they'd have done it before. They also likely unfriended him because someone told them to do so. (A someone who supposedly has no control over their social media.) Second: This coincides with Huber freaking out and starting to act weird. If the others haven't stuck their necks out and aren't Vic's friends (although they don't think he's guilty of what he's accused of), then their reaction to the same prompting and threats will be different from the person who's already lit a bomb on his career and is Vic's friend.

It seems very telling in this twitter behavior that a wannabe Anime Don is causing all of this.

That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking. This seems too planned out to be coincidental. I have a feeling that some pro-Vic VA’s and neutrals were forced to do all this. Not to mention, Nick said he was expecting some interesting developments to take place next week. Then there’s Chuck Huber’s behavior and Michelle Specht not liking or retweeting Vic recently. This strikes me as a little too coincidental. Something’s rotten in the state of Texas.

 

[AlexJonesGotMePregnant]

We're closing into at least 5 pages of masturbating over huber's recent stupid, perhaps it's time he gets a thread.

 

[Allanon]

He is not.

He made a comment about perspectives, using the way humans perceive earth to be flat as an exemple.
He didn't say he thinks the earth is flat.

The sky is red to the ones whose eyes bleed.
Look that idiot, he thinks the sky is red!
That's what was done here.

The problem is that he words his thought really weirdly.
Probably trying to sound smarter...

It doesn't help that Chuck takes the fence approach to EVERYTHING. So he words his responses weirdly and will correct you if you say he's a flat earther OR if you say he isn't. 'Flat Earth Agnostic' is almost an accurate term for him, just to explain his attitude about it, even if it's not accurate to his beliefs.

That’s exactly what I’ve been thinking. This seems too planned out to be coincidental. I have a feeling that some pro-Vic VA’s and neutrals were forced to do all this. Not to mention, Nick said he was expecting some interesting developments to take place next week. Then there’s Chuck Huber’s behavior and Michelle Specht not liking or retweeting Vic recently. This strikes me as a little too coincidental. Something’s rotten in the state of Texas.

Yeah. I don't know if Specht is doing anything weird - I think the theory that people noticed is what's happening here, as Specht, Stephanie, and Sonny all seemed to forget that their likes are public and can be seen by anyone - and so Specht stopped once she realized she was digging a hole and destroying her imagined credibility. But I do think that there's an orchestrated move going on, and that Chuck's bizarre behavior is a sort of canary for it. He's flopping around behaving erratically, and is the only neutral or pro-Vic person under Sabat's leash that we can properly watch. Plus, Nick has said many times that there are many people who support Vic that don't speak out and that very explicitly state they don't want their names involved or anyone to know. Those are the kinds of people who would neglect to like tweets or forget to unfriend Vic until suddenly Sabat cracks the whip.

Then, you know. Who knows. They might start retweeting something everyone else is and copy/pasting the same statement everyone else does. Because they really think that and just organically ended up with a word for word copy of what everyone else said at the same time.

 

[Mister Y]

It doesn't help that Chuck takes the fence approach to EVERYTHING. So he words his responses weirdly and will correct you if you say he's a flat earther OR if you say he isn't. 'Flat Earth Agnostic' is almost an accurate term for him, just to explain his attitude about it, even if it's not accurate to his beliefs.

I think everybody here read too much in Chuck's behavior.
Chuck is a chatty weirdo, plain and simple.
We don't need to go any further.

 

[HighwayStar]

Speaking of Nick, he mentioned this last night on his community page. It's safe to say that next week is going to be pretty interesting.

 

[quickthrowaway]

I think everybody here read too much in Chuck's behavior.
Chuck is a chatty weirdo, plain and simple.
We don't need to go any further.

I would say theorizing over who follows who and their reasons why is reading too deep in too things. Following someone is just as simple as a click of a button. Many people follow people they hate just like they follow people they like. I would say it's mostly fruitless to speculate about it. Mostly.

But saying people don't need to go any further on Chuck is stupid. Chuck is contradicting his very own statements that he provided to Vic's legal team to be used against the defendants. The ones in which he said that people have been talking shit about Vic behind for years and despite this he has never heard anyone seriously considering a sexual predator. The same statements in which he called out Sabat for his casting couch and that he was in fear of doing so. Now he's running counter ops to people rightfully calling out his bullshit. He's also now repeating the KV mantra that all of this could've gone away if people did nothing and let it die. Which is doubly hypocritical and stupid because Huber wrote up the fake apology he wanted Vic to use to appease the shitheads trying to kill his career. For a while people were still claiming (and some likely still are) that Vic had wrote up himself the stupid "I'm a sex addict" shit.

Huber's behavior has been suspect as fuck from the beginning and he has not done himself any favors outside of the affidavit. And even then he seems to be dead set on undermining that. Farmers are completely right to be looking into this and is the most on topic this thread has been for a while.

 

[TheClappening]

There's actually a number of voice actors who are following Vic, but the ones that stood out the most are the following:
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Now this is interesting for obvious reasons. If you remember from the deposition, Vic mentioned McFarland and Clinkenbeard as two of the people whom he felt didn't like him and wanted him gone from Funimation. Also, even though Vic considered Chris Ayres a friend, Ayres has been liking and retweeting a few pro-Monica tweets after Chupp dismissed all the claims, and his brother Greg dislikes Vic. Yet all three of them are following him.

On the other hand, we should all take this with face value because those three might be covering their tracks. For example, Kara Edwards, I think, was following Vic at one time earlier this year, but immediately unfollowed him when she was called out for it. Also, Chris recently had lung surgery, so obviously one's life takes precedence over social media.

I do have one more tidbit to add, though. Not too long ago, Sonny Strait was following Vic (even though he and Sean Shambles created that disgusting parody video portraying Vic as a pedophile), yet most recently, I don't see him as one of the followers. Kinda makes you wonder...

If we're on that topic, Skyler McIntosh (semi new Funimation VA) has been following Vic as of August 8th, and still follows him now.

Nick has also said people who are secretly supporting Vic have not publicly said anything negative about him. We're not likely to see Leah "Vic is Weinstein" Clark be revealed as Nick's source.

For all Vic's belief that Colleen Clinkenbeard doesn't like him, she hasn't said anything publicly, for example. It makes sense. It's just normal human interaction to not like some your coworkers, for reasons real or petty. It's a far cry from torting your coworker into destitution. Maybe Clinkenbeard dislikes Vic, maybe even severely. Doesn't mean she wanted him defamed to the point where he can't get work.

 

[Random Internet Person]

We're closing into at least 5 pages of masturbating over huber's recent stupid, perhaps it's time he gets a thread.

What else has he done besides try to play both sides

 

[Mister Y]

Huber's behavior has been suspect as fuck from the beginning and he has not done himself any favors outside of the affidavit.

Or he is just a weirdo. He has said weird shits way before all this, why the WW related stuffs would be different?
What he says on twitter doesn't matter, because we can't really draw conclusions, because he's a weirdo who live in his own realm.
And trying to predict what he is gonna do next for each possible outcome is kinda pointless, because he is totally unpredictable.
EDIT: And what he says on twitter doesn't matter, it's not said under oath.

Also, I think you're all kinda dumb for dismissing the importance of his affidavit... no one else has done anything bigger.
How can someone who destroyed Sabat that much can be more suspect than all the ones who didn't say a word so far?

 

[quickthrowaway]

Or he is just a weirdo. He has said weird shits way before all this, why the WW related stuffs would be different?
What he says on twitter doesn't matter, because we can't really draw conclusions, because he's a weirdo who live in his own realm.
And trying to predict what he is gonna do next for each possible outcome is kinda pointless, because he is totally unpredictable.
EDIT: And what he says on twitter doesn't matter, it's not said under oath.

Following and making fun of weirdos is literally the point of kiwi farms. I know you're now running counter info for whatever dumb fucking reason, but this place isn't meant for that.

And we can absolutely draw conclusions wiht what he says on Twitter. This isn't some random alt account run by him. It's his verified account that he uses to put out public statements. If Twitter didn't matter that literally goes against one of the pillars of the entire fucking lawsuit. If what Monica, Funimation, and others have been saying on Twitter isn't defamation than nothing is.

Also, I think you're all kinda dumb for dismissing the importance of his affidavit... no one else has done anything bigger.
How can someone who destroyed Sabat that much can be more suspect than all the ones who didn't say a word so far?

Then Huber must be the dumbest person out there because he's literally undermining what he said in his own statement. You said it doesn't matter what he says cause it's not under oath. But guess what, the affidavit ended up only being an unsworn statement. In addition to Ty and his team's own incompetence, I'm pretty sure Huber was also dragging his feet till the literal last minute to help out.

And someone has absolutely done something bigger than Huber. That's Nick Rekieta. Unlike Huber, he's been running positive PR for Mignogna. If we ignored that, he's also the one who even started the GFM. Chuck has done the absolute bare minimum that a supposed life long friend should do. And his statement has done shit all to "destroy" Sabat. Huber is even now running around saying that Sabat dindunuffin.

Fuck off.

 

[Mister Y]

Following and making fun of weirdos is literally the point of kiwi farms. I know you're now running counter info for whatever dumb fucking reason, but this place isn't meant for that.

Make a thread for him then.
Running counter info... yeah, sure... you're taking my messages way to seriously... I'm just chatting about the WW...
EDIT: Oh, and just a small detail, you're talking about making fun of weirdos, but that's not what you do either so...

If Twitter didn't matter that literally goes against one of the pillars of the entire fucking lawsuit.

Don't play dumb please, it's not a good way to argue.
I'm saying Chuck tweets don't matter because it's not said under oath.
Are the defendants sued just for lying on twitter? No. They are sued for trying to destroy a man's life.
What Chuck is saying on twitter doesn't matter, because it doesn't outweight his affidavit.

Then Huber must be the dumbest person out there because he's literally undermining what he said in his own statement.

I fairly sure that literally nobody on the thread ever said that Chuck was smart.

But guess what, the affidavit ended up only being an unsworn statement.

So now, you're trying to beat me on a technicality... are you trying to compete with KV?
It doesn't matter if it was wrongly notorized, Chuck still thought he was speaking under oath.

I'm pretty sure Huber was also dragging his feet till the literal last minute to help out.

Speculation based on literally no factual basis. Why making theories based on nothing? What's the point?

And someone has absolutely done something bigger than Huber. That's Nick Rekieta.

I was talking about the people involved, the insiders. Nick wasn't on the list.
But yes, if you include the orbiters, Nick is undoubtably the mvp here, nobody gonna argue with that.

Fuck off.

Mad at the internet?

 

[Stoneheart]

Huber is even now running around saying that Sabat dindunuffin.

He called Sabat Nigger?

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

What page is the new toye affidavit on?

If you want the entirety of his divorce court records (both marriages), here's the link provided by @AnOminous:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/monica...toye-iii-rontoye3.55353/page-258#post-5424768

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

He called Sabat Nigger?

Maybe Chuck watched too much Carl Benjamin.

 

[KittyLoaf]

Maybe Chuck watched too much Carl Benjamin.

"Maybe Sabat shouldn't act like a white nigger, mate."

Dear Chuck,
Nothing your supposed friends in FUNi did was compassionate, moral, ethical, etc. Your words are empty. An amoeba has more of a spine than you do. Also, as someone (maybe Nick) said in the fallout of the Shane-stream: "Imagine unironically getting Twitter people to stop fighting." You can't. If you really want to be neutral, sideline yourself. Make positive posts and whatever, stop talking about this situation. The more you talk, the more you fan the flames.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Alright so, this is super late, and kinda unrelated, so I'mma put this massive nerdrant in spoilers, but I really need to respond to @AnOminous here. Also if you're wondering where SJWs come from and how Wilson can absolutely be blamed for that, it's at the end of this. Have fun?

Utterly humiliating and leaving Germany flat broke and raped by the rest of the Allies wasn't Wilson's idea. He was opposed to it. Unfortunately he had a stroke and couldn't push a less vengeful peace.

Open at your own risk. Peak autism to be found beyond this point:

Spoiler: WILSON: A CATACLISMIC EVENT

Your post has imho one mistake, and that is that you assume I'm of the opinion that the "fix" for ww2 would've been raping germany more gently. Now. That wouldn't have fixed SHIT. By the time ww1 ended, ww2 was already coming. And my core point which I will proceed to argue, is that Wilson's biggest mistake was not raping germany hard enough. So again, prepare for peak autism, but by the end of this you'll know what I mean.

Spoiler: 1915, the year that changed everything

The issue with thinking being gentle with germany would've fixed ww2 is simple, it ain't germany you should be worrying about. It's russia! Quite simply. Germany raped russia really fucking hardcore during ww1, because they assumed russia had the biggest power to screw them due to their massive population, so they devoted way more resources to the eastern front than they should've. And underpowered the western front as a result. Now. How would the USA fix this? Simple really, they should've joined the war ASAP. And that is exactly what Roosebelt, the prior president and Wilson's opponent, wanted. His opinion was that the USA should get in the war and make a damned point that something this horrifying should never happen. Now, a president can't go to war on his own so I'm not under the impression he could've joined from the start, but by 1915 germany had tried to push mexico into invading the US, bombed multiple US ships, persecuted practically all neutral ships, and generally been such a massive cocksucking machine that there's literally no way Roosebelt wouldn't have been able to push the scales, indeed he almost did while not being in office! But alas Wilson managed to, through some astoundingly large amount of stupid bullshit, reduce the US to sending food to the Allies instead of actually joining so he could fucking talk about his bullshit "league of nations" idea. And boy will that idea come back more in this.

So what would've been the consequences of Roosebelt pushing the US to war in 1915? Simple really, even the Kaiser, stupid and paranoid as he was, would've realized the western front was gonna rape him and leave russia alone. Which russia really needed, because 2 years later in 1917 the climate assraped them even harder and the Tzar got fucked by the subsequent revolution giving rise to the soviet union. Now, don't get me wrong, the Tzar was still likely gonna fuck it by 1917, like there's no way the SU didn't rise. BUT. It would've stayed as the february revolution, the Bolshevicks would've NEVER gotten to power, and that means the "soviet union" would've been practically unrecognizable. Let me actually explain that more:

Spoiler: Soviet Union 2: Bolshevick Boogaloo!

Quite simply, russia went through not one but two revolutions between the wars, the February Revolution of 1917 and the Bolshevick revolution two years later. Yeah fun fact Lenin was no great revolutionary fighting the Tzar, he was a jumped up city rat that took advantage of russia's state. Quite simply, the original elected post-tzar government was, well, quite milquetoast actually. They just blamed all of what had gone wrong with how shitty feudalism was and while they were commies, well, they were a "Spanish Republic" kinda commies, not the Bolshevick "STALIN" kinda commies we saw later. Now, I'm a spaniard (sorry for the powerlevel) and a history nerd, and an ex-commie (I was stupid when I was a teen) so let me reassure you, that's still a powder keg of a political system and there's no way the SU would've stood for long with those guys in power, but the KIND of fuckup they were is very important here, because without the Bolshevicks they would've fallen in a slower, more localized, way more gradual and way, way, WAY less imperialistic fashion. More on that later, first, let's actually talk about how Lenin fucked everything up.

Well, it's simple really. In 1917 russia blamed feudalism for its thorough issues, but after 2 more years of german assrape, the allies basically intentionally screwing them harder and letting germany keep all their territories, and the commie's incapacity to fix the prior issues, they became convinced that they were truly and thoroughly alone, the entire world was out to get them, which BTW Wilson yet again made even worse with his stupid "league of nations" idea and how he used the ww1 peace talks to try and spread it as hard as he could which just convinced them even more than the allies had stabbed them in the back intentionally, and they knew damn well their climate wasn't getting any better any time soon. And as a result they decided they needed a government that was jingoistic enough to fuck over everyone who so much as looks the wrong way at them and that freedom ment nothing if they couldn't produce enough resources. And hey, what do you know, Lenin had JUST the thing for them! Quite simply, Bolshevick communism would've NEVER risen to power without the thorough assraping the russians got in ww1. And if the US had entered the war in 1915 as they should've, it indeed would've NEVER succeeded. Stalin would've never risen to power, the soviet union would've been a much funnier and less horrifying trashfire, and the international damage they caused would've never happened.

Spoiler: Russia without Lenin, a funny kinda bad:

So let's actually go into what kinda bullshit comunism would've been without the Bolshevicks. Well, quite simply, it was a type of government based mostly on the early types of democracy exhibited by Cossacks, pirates and other small communities. And that is why it sucked, quite simply, that kinda democracy is AMAZING, for SMALL communities. Trying to put that at any lever higher than a duchy is just asking for infighting and resource issues to lead to civil war, it's just unavoidable. Seriously, we tried it here in spain, TWICE, and both times it led to the same fucking shit, everyone getting mad at each other, tribalism returning, economic infighting and a fascist government stepping up and ending it. The first time Primo de Rivera actually took control semi-peacefully because everyone realized it sucked, the second time Franco got the tanks out before delivering a "die or die" kinda speech (because he seriously wasn't considering giving anyone a chance to surrender) and well that went much worse. But that's the jist of it really. Quite simply it is a thoroughly tribalistic ideology and as such infighting is unavoidable.

So without Lenin the russians would've had at most 5 years before war started again for them. BUT, the important part here is "FOR THEM", if you ask me the ones to win that war would've probably been the Tzar sympathisers with some uppity noble using fabricated claims as their head, because indeed the kinda trashfire this type of communism leads to is EXACTLY the same shit you can see all throughout the middle ages, it's really a "CK2" kinda sucking, which is so much less sucky than a Stalin kinda sucking. So a few things should be apparent:
1) The conflict would've taken much longer, and started with county-level shenanigans, and therefore no one big war would'be swept them, so it would've both started later and ended actually probably close to the start of the 21st century for a nation THAT huge, that's if it didn't end in russia splitting forever, which is the most likely option.
2) The Bolshevicks would've absolutely lost, russians would've had enough time and enough lack of paranoia, to realize the issue was with comunism and Lenin and his ilk would've gone the way of the anarchists, they literally wouldn't have stood a chance was it not for Wilson's particular brand of stupid.
3) Without Stalin's brand of imperialism nor Lenin's brand of hyper-industrialization, quite simply, the russians would've had too many issues to deal with nationally to ever even dream of going after other nations.
4) And without Lenin, all of the leaders who either used him as a boogeyman (including Wilson, and most of the western world for that matter, like you know, Hitler and Mussolini, those guys, kinda relevant for ww2 now ain't it.) or as a prophet (*cough* asia and south america *cough*) quite simply wouldn't have had that choice. That alone is such a massive fucking issue, Lenin practically plundered the world into another dark ages with how many policies were passed to avoid an uprising like his repeating or to try and replicate it. We're talking about an event that, culturally, was way worse than ww2 here. And it happened almost entirely because Wilson was a fucking idiot that didn't get the memmo that sometimes you just gotta bomb a bitch even tho Roosebelt called it so hard that in hindsight he looks fucking PRESCIENT!

Spoiler: Europe. Aka let's actually talk about germany now.

And let's indeed get into german issues now. Well, first of all, both Hitler and Mussolini heavily relied on post-Lenin paranoia for their rise to power, so at the very least they would've needed to play fair. Going into Mussolini, quite simply, italy as a whole would've remained rather neutral honestly. And as for germany... Well that's harder to predict. If the Kaiser had been inteligent enough to surrender it would've probably gotten assraped far less due to the earlier and more diplomatic end to the conflict, but as I already mentioned the germans almost embodied the concept of stupid evil during ww1, literally actively trying to piss off the USA, inventing flamethrowers, attacking any and all neutral fleets, and basically being giant weeners the likes of which we hadn't seen since the Ottomans and their brand of utter bollocks. So chances are they would've just gotten assraped even harder. Well... at the very least that would've plundered germany into cold war era much sooner, so they wouldn't have gotten the chance to start ww2 at all. Either way, even if they got uppity again, without the fear of Lenin looming over europe the Axis powers wouldn't have had any pull at all, and without Wilson's stupid ass "league of nations" speeches Hitler wouldn't have had that much of a rhetorical element to push paranoia of an "international clique", so it would've at the very least sucked much less. Seriously, Wilson's speeches caused so much political damage it's not even funny, and yet again Roosebelt repeatedly warned that the US should stay out of the peace talks alltogether and pretty much told him upfront in public letters that giving that kinda speeches would be a retarded fucking idea that would make everything worse. I swear he was a 20th century genderbent Cassandra with all the fucking calling it and nobody listening to him.

Spoiler: Wait. How the fuck do SJWs enter into this?

And now that we're done explaining how Wilson fucked europe and russia up, let's get into how he fucked america over, because there's no part of government Wilson didn't suck at. Also we'll talk a bit about Asia and South America but much like he did I'm going to most ignore them.
Hey, so, quick question. How did SJWs get this bad? I'm sure you'll have 2 ideas, or more concretely, think it's a combination of both:
a) Comunist ideologues spreading shit through academia.
b) The Pendulum Theory result of the push for conservative politics in 20th century western cultuer.
And you'd be totally fucking right! That's EXACTLY how we got here. And if you thought "c) Martians from Atlantis fighting Space Jews who Ankh their sexual chakras." Go finish smoking your crack and come back when you sobered up.
And hey, what would you know, both of those issues would be heftily solved if Lenin never rose to power. So yet again, if Wilson wasn't a moron, we wouldn't be here. But if there's a lesson you should take from this thread, is that I'm not bringing Wilson up unless I can pin on him even more shit because yes, he did make it even worse. How so? Well... Ever heard of the KKK? Yeah? What about segregation? Heh, well Wilson was a Democrat, from back when they were on the south side of the civil war, and was ASTOUNDINGLY racist, like to a degree that he made Hitler himself look mellow. Indeed before him segregation wasn't even a thing in america, at least not since the civil war, hell in the north since even before that, he was the president to pass the Federal Segregation Act, which as its name implied barred black people from voting and taking office. He was also a vital figure in the rise of the KKK to prominence and very supportive of it. Which as a spaniard offends me because those hoods they decided to use are Capirotes, from Penitent suits, which as their name implies are supposed to symbolize atonement from one's own sins through self-harm in order to hope god forgives humanity as a whole, effectively taking on the burden of salvation in the name of others so if there ever was a reason to believe in "cultural appropriation" that would be it. (Not saying there is, because there's not, culture is meant to be fucking shared god damnit, that's literally the whole point! But its still incredibly fucking hipocritical.) Point is, by ww1 racial issues were actually being reduced quite heavily and it had become obvious that things were changing for the better to everyone, and then Wilson gave american non-whites ample reason to be completely fucking paranoid. Great job fucker! And that's how we got here, he literally fucked everything up.

He also fucked the international view of america up. Because as I said in my prior, he started the now infamous trend of "wilsonian imperialism" aka "nice oil you got there, it would be a pity if democracy liberated it." with multiple invasions of central and south america done with that kinda rhetoric for pure greed in the search for oild. I mean before america was still doing the "banana wars" but at least then they were open about the reason they did it, Wilson made it hipocritical, and convinced everyone that when america goes to war the reason they state for it is always bullshit, and its always for oil. Which yet again has been used by SJW ideologues for quite a while now. You might think "wait wasn't he a pacifist?" but as it should be obvious by now his "league of nations" only applied to EUROPEAN nations, everyone else in his view was better off being coloniced, and I'm saying that in the most negative of ways. Yeah, quite a chap. I swear I hate the modern left using racism as an attack but in his special case it just can't get any more blatant. Indeed, you'd get ample proof by how he treated asian nations, practically telling the japanese emperor in no uncertain terms that he would love to "bring democracy" to his country by force, which informed his decision on side to choose when ww2 started, and his treatment of the rest of asia wasn't any better, which made them realize going with Stalin might be a good idea if "democracy" was the alternative. You can see where this is going. The rise of asian comunism, the 'nam war, the asian theater in ww2. While these issues would've existed to some degree Wilson had a hefty impact in all of them, and it was for the worse in every single instance. When I said he was the worst president ever, I fucking meant it. And people think Trump fucked up. HAH! fucking hell even if we believe the american left's wet dreams Trump is still a drop in the bucket of condensated, exhacerbated, melt down, given human form and animated through black magic, solid fuckup matter than was bloody Wilson! And yet again for every one of the issues given, Roosebelt was publicly warning the bastard of how he was fucking up, why it was a stupid idea, and how it would backfire. And no one fucking listened.

So, if you take any lesson from this: If you're ever a time traveler and want to stop the trashfire that was the 20th century. Don't kill Hiter, Stalin, Lenin or Mussolini. They would all have people who would've substituted them. Just make sure Roosebelt doesn't get kicked out by the Republicans so that he can win against Wilson, and that's it, that's how you fixed the timeline. (No seriously Wilson only got the 42% of the vote, he won because after the Republicans kicked Roosebelt through some dirty fucking shit (*insert Bernie 2016 meme here.*) he made the bullmoose party and that split the vote, no one fucking wanted Wilson in power to begin with, he won because the Republicans were idiots.)

 

[VidMasterEon]

Alright so, this is super late, and kinda unrelated, so I'mma put this massive nerdrant in spoilers, but I really need to respond to @AnOminous here. Also if you're wondering where SJWs come from and how Wilson can absolutely be blamed for that, it's at the end of this. Have fun?

Open at your own risk. Peak autism to be found beyond this point:

Spoiler: WILSON: A CATACLISMIC EVENT

Your post has imho one mistake, and that is that you assume I'm of the opinion that the "fix" for ww2 would've been raping germany more gently. Now. That wouldn't have fixed SHIT. By the time ww1 ended, ww2 was already coming. And my core point which I will proceed to argue, is that Wilson's biggest mistake was not raping germany hard enough. So again, prepare for peak autism, but by the end of this you'll know what I mean.

Spoiler: 1915, the year that changed everything

The issue with thinking being gentle with germany would've fixed ww2 is simple, it ain't germany you should be worrying about. It's russia! Quite simply. Germany raped russia really fucking hardcore during ww1, because they assumed russia had the biggest power to screw them due to their massive population, so they devoted way more resources to the eastern front than they should've. And underpowered the western front as a result. Now. How would the USA fix this? Simple really, they should've joined the war ASAP. And that is exactly what Roosebelt, the prior president and Wilson's opponent, wanted. His opinion was that the USA should get in the war and make a damned point that something this horrifying should never happen. Now, a president can't go to war on his own so I'm not under the impression he could've joined from the start, but by 1915 germany had tried to push mexico into invading the US, bombed multiple US ships, persecuted practically all neutral ships, and generally been such a massive cocksucking machine that there's literally no way Roosebelt wouldn't have been able to push the scales, indeed he almost did while not being in office! But alas Wilson managed to, through some astoundingly large amount of stupid bullshit, reduce the US to sending food to the Allies instead of actually joining so he could fucking talk about his bullshit "league of nations" idea. And boy will that idea come back more in this.

So what would've been the consequences of Roosebelt pushing the US to war in 1915? Simple really, even the Kaiser, stupid and paranoid as he was, would've realized the western front was gonna rape him and leave russia alone. Which russia really needed, because 2 years later in 1917 the climate assraped them even harder and the Tzar got fucked by the subsequent revolution giving rise to the soviet union. Now, don't get me wrong, the Tzar was still likely gonna fuck it by 1917, like there's no way the SU didn't rise. BUT. It would've stayed as the february revolution, the Bolshevicks would've NEVER gotten to power, and that means the "soviet union" would've been practically unrecognizable. Let me actually explain that more:

Spoiler: Soviet Union 2: Bolshevick Boogaloo!

Quite simply, russia went through not one but two revolutions between the wars, the February Revolution of 1917 and the Bolshevick revolution two years later. Yeah fun fact Lenin was no great revolutionary fighting the Tzar, he was a jumped up city rat that took advantage of russia's state. Quite simply, the original elected post-tzar government was, well, quite milquetoast actually. They just blamed all of what had gone wrong with how shitty feudalism was and while they were commies, well, they were a "Spanish Republic" kinda commies, not the Bolshevick "STALIN" kinda commies we saw later. Now, I'm a spaniard (sorry for the powerlevel) and a history nerd, and an ex-commie (I was stupid when I was a teen) so let me reassure you, that's still a powder keg of a political system and there's no way the SU would've stood for long with those guys in power, but the KIND of fuckup they were is very important here, because without the Bolshevicks they would've fallen in a slower, more localized, way more gradual and way, way, WAY less imperialistic fashion. More on that later, first, let's actually talk about how Lenin fucked everything up.

Well, it's simple really. In 1917 russia blamed feudalism for its thorough issues, but after 2 more years of german assrape, the allies basically intentionally screwing them harder and letting germany keep all their territories, and the commie's incapacity to fix the prior issues, they became convinced that they were truly and thoroughly alone, the entire world was out to get them, which BTW Wilson yet again made even worse with his stupid "league of nations" idea and how he used the ww1 peace talks to try and spread it as hard as he could which just convinced them even more than the allies had stabbed them in the back intentionally, and they knew damn well their climate wasn't getting any better any time soon. And as a result they decided they needed a government that was jingoistic enough to fuck over everyone who so much as looks the wrong way at them and that freedom ment nothing if they couldn't produce enough resources. And hey, what do you know, Lenin had JUST the thing for them! Quite simply, Bolshevick communism would've NEVER risen to power without the thorough assraping the russians got in ww1. And if the US had entered the war in 1915 as they should've, it indeed would've NEVER succeeded. Stalin would've never risen to power, the soviet union would've been a much funnier and less horrifying trashfire, and the international damage they caused would've never happened.

Spoiler: Russia without Lenin, a funny kinda bad:

So let's actually go into what kinda bullshit comunism would've been without the Bolshevicks. Well, quite simply, it was a type of government based mostly on the early types of democracy exhibited by Cossacks, pirates and other small communities. And that is why it sucked, quite simply, that kinda democracy is AMAZING, for SMALL communities. Trying to put that at any lever higher than a duchy is just asking for infighting and resource issues to lead to civil war, it's just unavoidable. Seriously, we tried it here in spain, TWICE, and both times it led to the same fucking shit, everyone getting mad at each other, tribalism returning, economic infighting and a fascist government stepping up and ending it. The first time Primo de Rivera actually took control semi-peacefully because everyone realized it sucked, the second time Franco got the tanks out before delivering a "die or die" kinda speech (because he seriously wasn't considering giving anyone a chance to surrender) and well that went much worse. But that's the jist of it really. Quite simply it is a thoroughly tribalistic ideology and as such infighting is unavoidable.

So without Lenin the russians would've had at most 5 years before war started again for them. BUT, the important part here is "FOR THEM", if you ask me the ones to win that war would've probably been the Tzar sympathisers with some uppity noble using fabricated claims as their head, because indeed the kinda trashfire this type of communism leads to is EXACTLY the same shit you can see all throughout the middle ages, it's really a "CK2" kinda sucking, which is so much less sucky than a Stalin kinda sucking. So a few things should be apparent:
1) The conflict would've taken much longer, and started with county-level shenanigans, and therefore no one big war would'be swept them, so it would've both started later and ended actually probably close to the start of the 21st century for a nation THAT huge, that's if it didn't end in russia splitting forever, which is the most likely option.
2) The Bolshevicks would've absolutely lost, russians would've had enough time and enough lack of paranoia, to realize the issue was with comunism and Lenin and his ilk would've gone the way of the anarchists, they literally wouldn't have stood a chance was it not for Wilson's particular brand of stupid.
3) Without Stalin's brand of imperialism nor Lenin's brand of hyper-industrialization, quite simply, the russians would've had too many issues to deal with nationally to ever even dream of going after other nations.
4) And without Lenin, all of the leaders who either used him as a boogeyman (including Wilson, and most of the western world for that matter, like you know, Hitler and Mussolini, those guys, kinda relevant for ww2 now ain't it.) or as a prophet (*cough* asia and south america *cough*) quite simply wouldn't have had that choice. That alone is such a massive fucking issue, Lenin practically plundered the world into another dark ages with how many policies were passed to avoid an uprising like his repeating or to try and replicate it. We're talking about an event that, culturally, was way worse than ww2 here. And it happened almost entirely because Wilson was a fucking idiot that didn't get the memmo that sometimes you just gotta bomb a bitch even tho Roosebelt called it so hard that in hindsight he looks fucking PRESCIENT!

Spoiler: Europe. Aka let's actually talk about germany now.

And let's indeed get into german issues now. Well, first of all, both Hitler and Mussolini heavily relied on post-Lenin paranoia for their rise to power, so at the very least they would've needed to play fair. Going into Mussolini, quite simply, italy as a whole would've remained rather neutral honestly. And as for germany... Well that's harder to predict. If the Kaiser had been inteligent enough to surrender it would've probably gotten assraped far less due to the earlier and more diplomatic end to the conflict, but as I already mentioned the germans almost embodied the concept of stupid evil during ww1, literally actively trying to piss off the USA, inventing flamethrowers, attacking any and all neutral fleets, and basically being giant weeners the likes of which we hadn't seen since the Ottomans and their brand of utter bollocks. So chances are they would've just gotten assraped even harder. Well... at the very least that would've plundered germany into cold war era much sooner, so they wouldn't have gotten the chance to start ww2 at all. Either way, even if they got uppity again, without the fear of Lenin looming over europe the Axis powers wouldn't have had any pull at all, and without Wilson's stupid ass "league of nations" speeches Hitler wouldn't have had that much of a rhetorical element to push paranoia of an "international clique", so it would've at the very least sucked much less. Seriously, Wilson's speeches caused so much political damage it's not even funny, and yet again Roosebelt repeatedly warned that the US should stay out of the peace talks alltogether and pretty much told him upfront in public letters that giving that kinda speeches would be a exceptional fucking idea that would make everything worse. I swear he was a 20th century genderbent Cassandra with all the fucking calling it and nobody listening to him.

Spoiler: Wait. How the fuck do SJWs enter into this?

And now that we're done explaining how Wilson fucked europe and russia up, let's get into how he fucked america over, because there's no part of government Wilson didn't suck at. Also we'll talk a bit about Asia and South America but much like he did I'm going to most ignore them.
Hey, so, quick question. How did SJWs get this bad? I'm sure you'll have 2 ideas, or more concretely, think it's a combination of both:
a) Comunist ideologues spreading shit through academia.
b) The Pendulum Theory result of the push for conservative politics in 20th century western cultuer.
And you'd be totally fucking right! That's EXACTLY how we got here. And if you thought "c) Martians from Atlantis fighting Space Jews who Ankh their sexual chakras." Go finish smoking your crack and come back when you sobered up.
And hey, what would you know, both of those issues would be heftily solved if Lenin never rose to power. So yet again, if Wilson wasn't a moron, we wouldn't be here. But if there's a lesson you should take from this thread, is that I'm not bringing Wilson up unless I can pin on him even more shit because yes, he did make it even worse. How so? Well... Ever heard of the KKK? Yeah? What about segregation? Heh, well Wilson was a Democrat, from back when they were on the south side of the civil war, and was ASTOUNDINGLY racist, like to a degree that he made Hitler himself look mellow. Indeed before him segregation wasn't even a thing in america, at least not since the civil war, hell in the north since even before that, he was the president to pass the Federal Segregation Act, which as its name implied barred black people from voting and taking office. He was also a vital figure in the rise of the KKK to prominence and very supportive of it. Which as a spaniard offends me because those hoods they decided to use are Capirotes, from Penitent suits, which as their name implies are supposed to symbolize atonement from one's own sins through self-harm in order to hope god forgives humanity as a whole, effectively taking on the burden of salvation in the name of others so if there ever was a reason to believe in "cultural appropriation" that would be it. (Not saying there is, because there's not, culture is meant to be fucking shared god damnit, that's literally the whole point! But its still incredibly fucking hipocritical.) Point is, by ww1 racial issues were actually being reduced quite heavily and it had become obvious that things were changing for the better to everyone, and then Wilson gave american non-whites ample reason to be completely fucking paranoid. Great job fucker! And that's how we got here, he literally fucked everything up.

He also fucked the international view of america up. Because as I said in my prior, he started the now infamous trend of "wilsonian imperialism" aka "nice oil you got there, it would be a pity if democracy liberated it." with multiple invasions of central and south america done with that kinda rhetoric for pure greed in the search for oild. I mean before america was still doing the "banana wars" but at least then they were open about the reason they did it, Wilson made it hipocritical, and convinced everyone that when america goes to war the reason they state for it is always bullshit, and its always for oil. Which yet again has been used by SJW ideologues for quite a while now. You might think "wait wasn't he a pacifist?" but as it should be obvious by now his "league of nations" only applied to EUROPEAN nations, everyone else in his view was better off being coloniced, and I'm saying that in the most negative of ways. Yeah, quite a chap. I swear I hate the modern left using racism as an attack but in his special case it just can't get any more blatant. Indeed, you'd get ample proof by how he treated asian nations, practically telling the japanese emperor in no uncertain terms that he would love to "bring democracy" to his country by force, which informed his decision on side to choose when ww2 started, and his treatment of the rest of asia wasn't any better, which made them realize going with Stalin might be a good idea if "democracy" was the alternative. You can see where this is going. The rise of asian comunism, the 'nam war, the asian theater in ww2. While these issues would've existed to some degree Wilson had a hefty impact in all of them, and it was for the worse in every single instance. When I said he was the worst president ever, I fucking meant it. And people think Trump fucked up. HAH! fucking hell even if we believe the american left's wet dreams Trump is still a drop in the bucket of condensated, exhacerbated, melt down, given human form and animated through black magic, solid fuckup matter than was bloody Wilson! And yet again for every one of the issues given, Roosebelt was publicly warning the bastard of how he was fucking up, why it was a stupid idea, and how it would backfire. And no one fucking listened.

So, if you take any lesson from this: If you're ever a time traveler and want to stop the trashfire that was the 20th century. Don't kill Hiter, Stalin, Lenin or Mussolini. They would all have people who would've substituted them. Just make sure Roosebelt doesn't get kicked out by the Republicans so that he can win against Wilson, and that's it, that's how you fixed the timeline. (No seriously Wilson only got the 42% of the vote, he won because after the Republicans kicked Roosebelt through some dirty fucking shit (*insert Bernie 2016 meme here.*) he made the bullmoose party and that split the vote, no one fucking wanted Wilson in power to begin with, he won because the Republicans were idiots.)

That would also have the added effect of making sure the Federal Reserve act was never passed.
Although, knowing those Hebrew nationals, they would sneak it in at some point later down the line