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Poe made a massive tactical mistake, BUT he still commands the fighter wing.

Even a line saying "We have reason to believe our internal communications have been compromised. So General Organa kept this plan down to a small number of people. I am the only one who is still alive other then her. I need you to trust me"

but then the movie wouldnt happen
What tactical mistake did he make? The Pizza Ship had a big gun that could blow up their ships, and with it gone, they could very slowly limp away from the enemy fleet. If it was still there, it'd have blown them out of space. The clunky expository dialogue of "it's a fleet killer" is evidence that destroying it was the right call.

The only failures made were in the bomber formation and the hardware used, as well as insufficient resources being committed to that attack.
 
The only failures made were in the bomber formation and the hardware used, as well as insufficient resources being committed to that attack.

And he knew the Hardware was trash and he committed to it

and he could have been more conservative and also got BTFO.,.....and also be blamed for a tactical error

thats what commanders do to subordinate commanders
 
Poe made a massive tactical mistake, BUT he still commands the fighter wing.

Even a line saying "We have reason to believe our internal communications have been compromised. So General Organa kept this plan down to a small number of people. I am the only one who is still alive other then her. I need you to trust me"

but then the movie wouldnt happen
If Poe hadn't made his "massive mistake" the entire Resistance would have been destroyed. This is the type of retard logic TLJ defenders use. It's fucking pathetic.
 
And he knew the Hardware was trash and he committed to it

and he could have been more conservative and also got BTFO.,.....and also be blamed for a tactical error

thats what commanders do to subordinate commanders
I don't think he got to pick and choose what resources he was assigned. If he did, then he's a dumbass for using stupid ships made out of explosives and paper, but the people who built those vehicles were even dumber anyway. Y-Wings had existed for 60 years by that point in the timeline, it's not like they're esoteric, impossibly advanced experimental craft.
 
If Poe hadn't made his "massive mistake" the entire Resistance would have been destroyed. This is the type of exceptional individual logic TLJ defenders use. It's fucking pathetic.
You can only explain the movies logic with the standards it uses. And then you point out that doesnt make sense

Poe made a "Massive Mistake" the movie said so
Poe Disagreed and the movie says poe was wrong for doing so

It was dumb but SW breaks down when it talks about actual military tactics

I don't think he got to pick and choose what resources he was assigned. If he did, then he's a dumbass for using stupid ships made out of explosives and paper, but the people who built those vehicles were even dumber anyway. Y-Wings had existed for 60 years by that point in the timeline, it's not like they're esoteric, impossibly advanced experimental craft.

I mean we can't blame the Republic leaders for poor funding? They got blown up last movie
We can't blame Leia?
So poe has to take the blame
 
You can only explain the movies logic with the standards it uses. And then you point out that doesnt make sense

Poe made a "Massive Mistake" the movie said so
Poe Disagreed and the movie says poe was wrong for doing so

It was dumb but SW breaks down when it talks about actual military tactics



I mean we can't blame the Republic leaders for poor funding? They got blown up last movie
We can't blame Leia?
So poe has to take the blame
So you want to justify something stupid with tard logic. The movie said he's bad, ergo he's bad, even though if you look at it factually, you can clearly see he's right. Also, those five planets that exploded were the whole Republic. Really. All of them.

The thing is, sure, SW somewhat breaks down if you really start to look into the physics of space combat, but the universe has its own internal and consistent rules. These rules were broken in TLJ, which basically makes any logical analysis of it fail as there are no rules to try and predict alternate scenarios from. Things just happen because they do, no explanation given.

Without any solid rules of the universe remaining, defaulting to what little shit has been thrown at the audience by exposition rather than by the testimonies of tards seems to be the best way to analyze the situation.
 
So apparently Iger announced that the movies will go on hiatus, meaning there’s no movies for 2022.

This is amusing that it comes right before TROS.
 
So you want to justify something stupid with tard logic. The movie said he's bad, ergo he's bad, even though if you look at it factually, you can clearly see he's right. Also, those five planets that exploded were the whole Republic. Really. All of them.

I wasnt saying he was bad, the movie did. We have to work with the movie we were given not a movie that makes sense when discussing it.
The thing is, sure, SW somewhat breaks down if you really start to look into the physics of space combat, but the universe has its own internal and consistent rules. These rules were broken in TLJ, which basically makes any logical analysis of it fail as there are no rules to try and predict alternate scenarios from. Things just happen because they do, no explanation given.

Without any solid rules of the universe remaining, defaulting to what little shit has been thrown at the audience by exposition rather than by the testimonies of tards seems to be the best way to analyze the situation.

Basically its "Bad writing"

Why didnt george have the death star plans stole in the first movie? because that wasnt a interesting story and the story structure and world would break down
 
I wasnt saying he was bad, the movie did. We have to work with the movie we were given not a movie that makes sense when discussing it.


Basically its "Bad writing"

Why didnt george have the death star plans stole in the first movie? because that wasnt a interesting story and the story structure and world would break down
If you take everything said at verbatim, you will never notice a discrepancy.

Also, Lucas probably didn't have the Death Star plans stolen in the first movie because it'd clutter the narrative.
 
If you take everything said at verbatim, you will never notice a discrepancy.

Also, Lucas probably didn't have the Death Star plans stolen in the first movie because it'd clutter the narrative.
In a early draft he did and george came to the [correct] conclusion

But if you just take the text as words you lose out on interesting Analysis

So Rian Johnson is saying Superhero Leia punished a subordinate for things beyond his control [and likely hers]? And he wants her to be viewed as right to do that. He did the same thing with Holdo. If you dont take the movie on its word then you don't see what the trash writers are trying to do
 
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So Rian Johnson is saying Superhero Leia punished a subordinate for things beyond his control [and likely hers]? And he wants her to be viewed as right to do that. He did the same thing with Holdo. If you dont take the movie on its word then you don't see what the trash writers are trying to do
So now you're saying the actions of Poe were entirely justified?
 
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So now you're saying the actions of Poe were entirely justified?
I never said they werent

I said the MOVIE said they werent [even though that didnt make sense] and you need to judge the movies internal logic by the standard it sets for itself to be able to suss out the deeper meanings of the story and narrative

further [Leia blaming Poe for something beyond his control, and the movie wanting poe to be viewed as wrong] Ties in with Rian's theme about how the Military Industrial Complex is the real villian [Not the dark side] and how the Military Industrial complex manipulates both sides of the war. Poe was wrong for participating in a rigged game.

"D.J" Don't join.
 
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I never said they werent

I said the MOVIE said they werent [even though that didnt make sense] and you need to judge the movies internal logic by the standard it sets for itself to be able to suss out the deeper meanings of the story and narrative
What I've stated in passing before, and what I will now expound upon, is that the movie does not have an internal logic, or system of rules. It is a sequel, and therefore should be subject to the same rules of reality that the rest of the franchise is, but it does not obey these rules. People fly around in space for no reason. Hyperspace ramming is suddenly a viable tactic, despite the fact that it was never brought up before. Random children with brooms have mastered the Force. Rey is just as infallible as before, utterly raping the point that, no matter how much raw power someone has, they need at least some training before they can do things that are incredible. Things and people pop into and out of existence seemingly at random. It's like a five year old wrote it.

Look at the files below, maybe I'm not wrong about this last point.
 

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What I've stated in passing before, and what I will now expound upon, is that the movie does not have an internal logic, or system of rules. It is a sequel, and therefore should be subject to the same rules of reality that the rest of the franchise is, but it does not obey these rules. People fly around in space for no reason. Hyperspace ramming is suddenly a viable tactic, despite the fact that it was never brought up before. Random children with brooms have mastered the Force. Rey is just as infallible as before, utterly raping the point that, no matter how much raw power someone has, they need at least some training before they can do things that are incredible. Things and people pop into and out of existence seemingly at random. It's like a five year old wrote it.

Look at the files below, maybe I'm not wrong about this last point.

The Narrative and story has a set of logical. It doesnt WORK but the narrative has a internal logic. It breaks plot, stories, characters, and the universe to make its logic seem to work

Why did the first order not finish it off with their fighters?
>They would have to go back to the MIC to buy more weapons. But not get them because the eternal war is now over

Its a consistent logic but also retarded and autistic
 
The Narrative and story has a set of logical. It doesnt WORK but the narrative has a internal logic. It breaks plot, stories, characters, and the universe to make its logic seem to work
What internal rule is kept consistently? "Men bad"? "Purple hair good"? "Mary Sue Good"?
There is no rule that is mentioned to have existed that is followed. A cursory examination reveals that the movie does not make logical sense.
 
What internal rule is kept consistently? "Men bad"? "Purple hair good"? "Mary Sue Good"?
There is no rule that is mentioned to have existed that is followed. A cursory examination reveals that the movie does not make logical sense.

Theme: The Military Industrial Complex [and Income inequality] is the real source of evil in the galaxy and not a manichean dialectic of good vs evil.
For that to work both the Resistance and First order must exist in stupid ways in service to that theme.
Thats why FUEL and RESOURCES were a plot element
Thats why no one responds
The only way to break out of the rigged game is a disruptive strategy [by holdo]. And done by Rose and Poe on the planet when they realized the way out is to not play the game and break it
Rei realized that by breaking the Light saber. Kylo realized it but then rejected it

But to create this disruption you have to kill all the commanders....but you can't kill Leia [because your killing luke] so "A Wizard did it" and she saved herself

the story breaks down in service to Rian Johnson's thematic narratives [and their logic]
 
What I've stated in passing before, and what I will now expound upon, is that the movie does not have an internal logic, or system of rules. It is a sequel, and therefore should be subject to the same rules of reality that the rest of the franchise is, but it does not obey these rules. People fly around in space for no reason. Hyperspace ramming is suddenly a viable tactic, despite the fact that it was never brought up before. Random children with brooms have mastered the Force. Rey is just as infallible as before, utterly raping the point that, no matter how much raw power someone has, they need at least some training before they can do things that are incredible. Things and people pop into and out of existence seemingly at random. It's like a five year old wrote it.

Look at the files below, maybe I'm not wrong about this last point.
Are those storyboards real?
 
Now flash forward 20 years later and increasingly all of western media is going downhill while Japanese media remains exciting, it really makes you think.

because whatever you might think about the last isekai or harem rehash, for the most part it comes from a single author or mangaka who just wants to do a good story and isn't trying to sell a product to 20 different cultures with different values to maximize profits.
 
Theme: The Military Industrial Complex [and Income inequality] is the real source of evil in the galaxy and not a manichean dialectic of good vs evil.
For that to work both the Resistance and First order must exist in stupid ways in service to that theme.
Thats why FUEL and RESOURCES were a plot element
Thats why no one responds
The only way to break out of the rigged game is a disruptive strategy [by holdo]. And done by Rose and Poe on the planet when they realized the way out is to not play the game and break it
Rei realized that by breaking the Light saber. Kylo realized it but then rejected it

But to create this disruption you have to kill all the commanders....but you can't kill Leia [because your killing luke] so "A Wizard did it" and she saved herself

the story breaks down in service to Rian Johnson's thematic narratives [and their logic]
Was it MauLer or HFM or E;R, which one of those pointed out that you can string together any sequence of events in this movie, any sequence of lines, and demonstrate that it's what the movie's about, since it's so vapidly devoid of any actual theme. Just as Rey is devoid of character and must be projected upon to become compelling to the audience, so to is the plot void of character, and it too must be projected upon to become compelling to the audience.
 
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