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I'm beginning to notice more and more trans people on dumb internet comments calling people who disagree with them "transphobic science deniers."

The "transphobic" label is nothing new, but "science deniers" is what's confounding to me. When asked to elaborate, rather than elaborate, they invariably insist that the person they're arguing with should read Wikipedia without so much as pointing at an article to read, coupled with the tried-and-true method of saying it's not their job to support their own arguments.

It really seems like they're just trying to repurpose the arguments they're normally faced with as their own. Except they don't understand why people call them "science deniers" and just assume they can use that for their own means without needing to justify or explain it. Calling those in favor of transitioning "science deniers" has basis in reality, and it's almost tiring how often the people calling them that will point to chromosomes or prenatal development. Yet when those in favor of transitioning call their opponents "science denier," they just end it there, and I'd rather see the same reasoning being repeated ad nauseam than zero reasoning being used at all.
 
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It really seems like they're just trying to repurpose the arguments they're normally faced with as their own. Except they don't understand why people call them "science deniers" and just assume they can use that for their own means without needing to justify or explain it. Calling those in favor of transitioning "science deniers" has basis in reality, and it's almost tiring how often the people calling them that will point to chromosomes or prenatal development. Yet when those in favor of transitioning call their opponents "science denier," they just end it there, and I'd rather see the same reasoning being repeated ad nauseam than zero reasoning being used at all.
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The argument here is not on the merits of the issue, it's more about trying to point out that the "wrong" viewpoint is unpopular; all of the "good people" have already decided on the "correct" position. These arguments aren't meant to convince the other party. It's a type of performative wokeness used to signal their membership to their own in-group.

Also see: Bulverism.
 
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Absolute nonsense. Even dogs can identify their own reflections. You wake up in the morning, presumably take a shower, and glance at yourself in the mirror at least once or twice. There's no way you can look into the reflection of a car and think you see yourself inside of the vehicle somehow, especially because you're either going to be too far from the car to look in the reflection and see an accurately proportionally sized reflection of yourself, or you're going to be too close and looking too intently to feasibly mistake your reflection as somebody inside of it. This person most likely just has longer hair than normal and somehow that prevents them from identifying themselves. That's face blindness on par with Chris Chan.
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Modeling yourself after the woman you want to date is textbook AGP. It's stunning they don't realize this, and more stunning still that they'll often deny it.
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Cause all moms are super interseted in the sex of the video game character you play as. Most would proably not be aware that there was a choice at all.
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I keep seeing this story of these people picking female characters in some video game as a sign that they should or are going to transition. It's just silly to me. That's not a sign anybody will pick up on, as there's a multitude of reasons why a man would pick a woman as their playable character. Perhaps they want to see what's different, or they like the way the female character looks over the male variant, or they just pick a female character because it's a novelty. That's not an obvious hint in the slightest, it's as mundane and pointless as anything else these people try to do to signal their desire to transition to their family.
 
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The thing I do not understand about transgender activism is the way they claim they have female brains or that some biological or neurological function makes them want to be a woman. To be uncomfortable with having a penis, testicles, no breasts, etc. Yes, I guess that would happen.

But when you look at /r/mtf and /r/transpassing what does transition mean? To wear your hair long, wear a wig, put on makeup, use "she/her", a girl's name, women's clothing. Every single one of these things is culturally and time-bound. And they manifest their "true self" as a woman in culture-specific and time-bound ways. They always seem to take popular girl's names post-2000 and never like Mildred, Ethel, or Gertrude.

Top names of the 1900s

Top names of the 1900s
www.ssa.gov

The association of each of these things I mentioned with some intrinsic biological womaness can be refuted with very basic knowledge of history or cultural differences. I can just go down the list for each of these. Some Native American cultures pre-colonization had men wear long hair. Short hair for women was a cultural trend in the 1920s. Ancient Egyptian men, Roman men, French aristocrats wore cosmetics. The Persian language is non-gendered. Everyone, male or female, is called "ou" or "vey." Lots of cultures have men wear dress like garments - Arabs, South Asians, Scotts, Koreans, my own culture, Macedonians....

So how do you feel biologically compelled to do these things when none of these things are intrinsic to womanhood? Why is being a woman to have long hair and wear dresses? How is gender dysphoria actually real?
 
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I'm beginning to notice more and more trans people on dumb internet comments calling people who disagree with them "transphobic science deniers."

The "transphobic" label is nothing new, but "science deniers" is what's confounding to me. When asked to elaborate, rather than elaborate, they invariably insist that the person they're arguing with should read Wikipedia without so much as pointing at an article to read, coupled with the tried-and-true method of saying it's not their job to support their own arguments.

It really seems like they're just trying to repurpose the arguments they're normally faced with as their own. Except they don't understand why people call them "science deniers" and just assume they can use that for their own means without needing to justify or explain it. Calling those in favor of transitioning "science deniers" has basis in reality, and it's almost tiring how often the people calling them that will point to chromosomes or prenatal development. Yet when those in favor of transitioning call their opponents "science denier," they just end it there, and I'd rather see the same reasoning being repeated ad nauseam than zero reasoning being used at all.
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I think (((they))) are running out of insults to throw at sane people who clearly see this as a extremely dangerous fad. its like calling a non flat farther a "space denier" for them not agreeing on a different subject
 
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Perhaps they want to see what's different, or they like the way the female character looks over the male variant, or they just pick a female character because it's a novelty.
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"Why would men watch lesbian porn? They must like to imagine themselves in the position of the lesbians!"

A straight man picks a female character so he can look at her ass instead of a dude's. Are these people literally autis-- oh nvm
 
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Absolute nonsense. Even dogs can identify their own reflections. You wake up in the morning, presumably take a shower, and glance at yourself in the mirror at least once or twice. There's no way you can look into the reflection of a car and think you see yourself inside of the vehicle somehow, especially because you're either going to be too far from the car to look in the reflection and see an accurately proportionally sized reflection of yourself, or you're going to be too close and looking too intently to feasibly mistake your reflection as somebody inside of it. This person most likely just has longer hair than normal and somehow that prevents them from identifying themselves. That's face blindness on par with Chris Chan.
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No, it’s more about how much of transitioning is just playing dress up. When I wear Halloween costume or just dress really nice with more elaborate make up, I have this sort reaction sometimes. I just kinda forget what I’m wearing and for very brief moment get confused by my reflection. It just so different from what’s usually staring back at me. It’s brief but still that reaction is there.

Still I highly doubt that it was ooh hottie, wait a minute, it’s me! Most likely seeing from corner of an eye a wierd lady, then realizing it’s a reflection and then mind games save ego. Or there might have been some attraction as these troon do try dress as their dream girls from high school or porn stars.
 
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I keep seeing this story of these people picking female characters in some video game as a sign that they should or are going to transition. It's just silly to me. That's not a sign anybody will pick up on, as there's a multitude of reasons why a man would pick a woman as their playable character. Perhaps they want to see what's different, or they like the way the female character looks over the male variant, or they just pick a female character because it's a novelty. That's not an obvious hint in the slightest, it's as mundane and pointless as anything else these people try to do to signal their desire to transition to their family.
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I've played female characters when I could since like, oh, I don't know, the original Bard's Tale and Pool of Radiance back on the C64. Why? Well, because they usually look nicer with better detail, then later because better clothing/appearance options and because I want to like what I'm looking at. Hell, half the time I spend more time deciding what to have my character in a game like Skyrim or Fallout or City of Heroes or WoW wear than I do adventuring once I get toward late game.

For most people, that's usually all it is.

I'm not about to chop my dick off and demand everyone else in the world call me Jenny Jet Fuel because that's just stupid. I like being a guy, I like being me.

And I'm not a fucking sadbrains weakling with low self-esteem who has to troon out to get away from the nagging feeling of their life being an entire failure.
 
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I'm beginning to notice more and more trans people on dumb internet comments calling people who disagree with them "transphobic science deniers."

The "transphobic" label is nothing new, but "science deniers" is what's confounding to me. When asked to elaborate, rather than elaborate, they invariably insist that the person they're arguing with should read Wikipedia without so much as pointing at an article to read, coupled with the tried-and-true method of saying it's not their job to support their own arguments.

It really seems like they're just trying to repurpose the arguments they're normally faced with as their own. Except they don't understand why people call them "science deniers" and just assume they can use that for their own means without needing to justify or explain it. Calling those in favor of transitioning "science deniers" has basis in reality, and it's almost tiring how often the people calling them that will point to chromosomes or prenatal development. Yet when those in favor of transitioning call their opponents "science denier," they just end it there, and I'd rather see the same reasoning being repeated ad nauseam than zero reasoning being used at all.
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I think at this point most are just repeating something they heard someone else say on twitter and they don't even know what they mean (it's always "third grade biology") but I think some of it comes from pointing to species that aren't sexually dimorphic or who can change sex, but I think it's especially comes from co-opting intersex stuff yet again.

I saw a video with an intersex woman who was taking issue with the trans community co-opting intersex issues and I guess the whole "sex is a spectrum!" thing comes from the idea that intersex conditions are on a spectrum, which is not actually the same thing as saying sex is a spectrum. It's this video right here and it's the first thing she mentions.
 
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And I get so tired of having to point this out to idiots on Reddit and elsewhere, but "interesex" no more means "sexuality is a spectrum" than polydactyly and oligodactyly mean humans have "a spectrum of fingers and toes". No, human beings have 5 fingers and 5 toes, and then there are genetic flaws that can cause birth defects.
 
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So when we call them out about what biology really is we are called "Biology deniers" ?
Ok coomer, let me get my notes from when I was studying biology in university.
Oh wait, do you know what this word means ? "Uni-ver-si-ty" aka the place you never went to because you are so freakin' retarded that you dropped before the end of highschool.

And yes, all the scientific section of the uni hated the Gender Studies course students/teachers when it first appeared.
 
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