Shy Hard 2: Shy Harder

[SU 390]

Are you really qualified to categorically make these claims?

Are radical feminists qualified to claim that all men are monsters and women are fragile and delicate as flowers? Didn't think so either.

 

[Cuck Norris]

Are radical feminists qualified to claim that all men are monsters and women are fragile and delicate as flowers? Didn't think so either.

Typical LoveShy argumentation. No wonder women dislike you. Why is it that like all of you guys inherently blame your own shortcomings on society instead of, you know, working on not being a bag of shit?

 

[Marvin]

Are radical feminists qualified to claim that all men are monsters and women are fragile and delicate as flowers? Didn't think so either.

Indeed. I'd ask them the same question I asked you.

 

[SU 390]

Typical LoveShy argumentation. No wonder women dislike you. Why is it that like all of you guys inherently blame your own shortcomings on society instead of, you know, working on not being a bag of shit?

So...you don't think what you said should be applied to rad fems? Just wondering. I'm not like other LS/incels that openly complain about their dating shortcomings outside the internet when things don't go my way. I play Devil's Advocate and think both genders are equally shitty from time to time. I'm actually working on not being a bag of shit.

 

[Cuck Norris]

So...you don't think what you said should be applied to rad fems? Just wondering. I'm not like other LS/incels that openly complain about their dating shortcomings outside the internet when things don't go my way. I play Devil's Advocate and think both genders are equally shitty from time to time. I'm actually working on not being a bag of shit.

This isn't the rad fems thread, this is the LoveShy thread. Your question was addressed to Marvin not me, so I don't see how it's relevant to me but it's an easy answer. Any form of "radical" or "militant" or "fundamentalist" anything is inherently harmful because the belief itself requires there be no room for conversation or compromise. But again, this isn't the Rad Fem thread, this is the LS thread.

 

[Durable Mike Malloy]

So...you don't think what you said should be applied to rad fems? Just wondering. I'm not like other LS/incels that openly complain about their dating shortcomings outside the internet when things don't go my way. I play Devil's Advocate and think both genders are equally shitty from time to time. I'm actually working on not being a bag of shit.

Aw, Devil's Advocate is a loser's game when it comes to this stuff; actually listening to @Satan is clearly a better idea.

 

[SU 390]

This isn't the rad fems thread, this is the LoveShy thread. Your question was addressed to Marvin not me, so I don't see how it's relevant to me but it's an easy answer. Any form of "radical" or "militant" or "fundamentalist" anything is inherently harmful because the belief itself requires there be no room for conversation or compromise. But again, this isn't the Rad Fem thread, this is the LS thread.

Last thing before we drive this to off topic territory. Your comment was a bit unnecessary as well as my response towards Marvin, which I should have answered his question and debated this with him via PM. You don't know me very well to insinuate that women dislike me. I know the reasons why I'm dateless. I have admitted that most of the reasons for my datlessness is not women's or society's fault. Do realize that there are people who blame one gender for all the evils of the world based solely on their genitals and their position of power.

If you want to debate this further, please PM. Let's get back to the mocking of dateless men like me please.

Aw, Devil's Advocate is a loser's game when it comes to this stuff; actually listening to @Satan is clearly a better idea.

Oh I know. @Satan is a pretty cool guy and I've spoken to him privately before. I know how he is.

 

[Durable Mike Malloy]

Last thing before we drive this to off topic territory. Your comment was a bit unnecessary as well as my response towards Marvin, which I should have answered his question and debated this with him via PM. You don't know me very well to insinuate that women dislike me. I know the reasons why I'm dateless. I have admitted that most of the reasons for my datlessness is not women's or society's fault. Do realize that there are people who blame one gender for all the evils of the world based solely on their genitals and their position of power.

If you want to debate this further, please PM. Let's get back to the mocking of dateless men like me please.

Don't be precious; it's unbecoming to you.

And hey, does anyone else feel like @A-№1 is totally letting us down? I kind of count on him busting in like a grumpy dad and telling us all to knock it off.

 

[SU 390]

Don't be precious; it's unbecoming to you.

And hey, does anyone else feel like @A-№1 is totally letting us down? I kind of count on him busting in like a grumpy dad and telling us all to knock it off.

I'll behave. Sorry @PurpleMonkeyDishwasher [slumps head in shame]

I actually always had high hopes for you, and @Rammspieler and the other loveshies that managed to "escape" LS.com. You guys haven't let me down. Sometimes I still see you struggling with some of the terms, and with the mindset of that site. It's like a cult, it really sucks you in. But you're fighting it. You're like a recovering addict.

There was a time when I allowed my perceptions of people to be changed by nonsense things too. Like having different beliefs, politically, socially. The same way Loveshies have a weird view of women, MRA's are perpetually victimizing themselves. And the same can be said of many online feminists, I agree with you on that. Feminists of the attention seeking Tumblr variety. But this thread is not about them.

You just have to see people as people, and free yourself of the us-versus-them mentality that seeps into you when you spend too much time with the sort of people you have. They carry such enormous negativity and self-pity, it's like a black hole that consumes everything. You guys deserve better then that. If people don't elevate you and wish you the best, but instead drag you down with their negativity... that's not a place you need to be in if you wish to better yourself and move on with your life in a meaningful way.

I do the best I can. It's hard in today's world where most people do have an "us vs them" outlook. Especially since everyone is saving money, working 2-3 jobs just to keep a roof over our heads and keeping bellies full. If only that would stop and there would be actual progress.

 

[Cuck Norris]

I'll behave. Sorry @PurpleMonkeyDishwasher [slumps head in shame]

Naw it's cool man I probably should have grabbed some direct context instead of going into my usual LS member stuff. I'm sorry too.

 

[mooooo]

@mooooo , post your CV too.

Why would you even want a CV? It doesn't prove anything, it's a bunch of claims. I could write a CV saying I'm a professional dancer if I wanted to.

Cool people aren't radically anything. They are just radically chill.

The reason nobody likes a Loveshy? Well, people don't even know the exist let alone hate them. I bet 95% never even approach a girl, let alone date one. Girls can't hate you if they don't know you.

"Radical" doesn't exist objectively. It's a label that just means "unusual". Nazis are seen as radical today, but they wouldn't have been in Nazi Germany.

"I have a NAKED WOMAN lying beside me RIGHT NOW, you guys! Her actual-factual, entirely-not-made-up existence shields me from getting my insecure, self-loathing jimmies rustled, because getting a girlfriend automatically resolved every underlying psychological issue I have had! SRSLY U GUISE."

posts pic as "proof"
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Pull the other one, @mooooo, it's got bells on.

Do you often find you have to insert an imaginary argument into another person's mouth before you're able to mock them?

By vending machine, I mean they hold some kind of view that if they do "action" they should receive china.

OMG, you're right! And I just realised, I'm being objectified constantly! If someone says "hello" to me, it's like I should just say "hello" back! It's like people have these expectations about how others should act or something.

Protip: people will have expectations for you all the time, and you will never live up to all these expectations simultaneously. You've got to just decide what you want for yourself, and ignore what others would have you do. Look at me, I have my own outlook on life, and I don't care that this place is full of people butthurt that I won't just be the same as them, and have developed all this shaming language to convince me that being different to them is somehow wrong and defective. But who cares?

And frenuplasty? Seriously? Wut am I reading?

L2Spell

@mooooo , you have repeatedly indicated that you are working to overcome the feeling that your sexuality is shameful, disgusting and something to hide. Simultaneously, you're massively obtruding your personal, private issues into venues where it is neither welcome nor appropriate. I would prefer you to have more shame, frankly.

Like you are basically wandering around the entire internet with your dick out. Somehow, you even managed to be the weird inappropriate oversharing man on a forum devoted to foreskins. (source, backup) That's an accomplishment right there; maybe you should add it to your CV. (Post your CV.)

Confidential to kiwis: You'd have to join the forum in order to view image attachments; if you choose to do that, you are made of sterner stuff than I. But you can safely see other users asking, "Did you confuse this forum with hotornot for foreskin? [horrified emoticon]" criticizing our friend fonduman for his dirty fingernails, the size of his genitals and overall personal hygiene, and giving him tips on setting the white balance on his camera for natural and more pleasant skin tones in his future dick pics. Like his dick pics were so bad, someone actually took time out of their day to do that.

@mooooo , you've turned this thread into a sort of cringe comedy act, where a rotating cast of straightmen gives you sensible perspective, and then you metaphorically kick yourself in the balls. Also, in the absence of evidence that she is into being objectified, it is gross and weird how you refer to your partner generically as "a naked girl" and post an intimate picture of her in order to gain...what? Internet credibility points? The hell is wrong with you, man.

Are you seriously trying to say that posting a dick pic on a site about dicks is worse than people actively searching out my dick on this site and posting it here? You're lulzy. Problem is, all you say is empty rhetoric. It's all "I'm so right and you're so wrong, and insert personal insults" but it's all so... empty. It's petty, devoid of any convincing actual reasoning... who do you expect to convince with your mere opinion? Not me. But hey, if they're that into my dick, I just hope they get out of the closet someday.

Are you really qualified to categorically make these claims?

How do you manage to get out of the house in the morning? You don't have a PhD in door opening! You'd have to, like, reason about the world without having a piece of paper stuck up your ass first.

 

[BriarHeart]

Do you often find you have to insert an imaginary argument into another person's mouth before you're able to mock them?

Only when they're unable to use their mouth for themselves due to the foot they've wedged into it.

OMG, you're right! And I just realised, I'm being objectified constantly! If someone says "hello" to me, it's like I should just say "hello" back! It's like people have these expectations about how others should act or something.

Protip: people will have expectations for you all the time, and you will never live up to all these expectations simultaneously. You've got to just decide what you want for yourself, and ignore what others would have you do.

If you equate allowing an emotionally-stunted manchild to thrust his crusty dick against your crotch for 30 seconds with saying "hello" to a passerby, that certainly explains a lot about your mindset and the quality of your arguments. Protip: people of both sexes "expect" you to see them as autonomous human beings, respect their personal boundaries, and take responsibility for your own neuroses instead of shifting the blame onto anyone but yourself. If you can't "live up" to those expectations, you have no place in society, let alone a relationship.

Look at me, I have my own outlook on life, and I don't care that this place is full of people butthurt that I won't just be the same as them, and have developed all this shaming language to convince me that being different to them is somehow wrong and defective. But who cares?

Yeah, look at you. You don't care about any of this. In fact, you don't care so hard that you keep coming back here to tell us all how much you don't care, before retreating back to your loveshy hugbox to tell them (multiple times) how much you don't care. You don't care so hard that you're willing to take a picture of your naked girlfriend while she's asleep, and then post it on a forum of woman-haters without her permission in a desperate attempt to shore up your flaccid, impotent ego.

Oh yeah, bro. You don't care at all.

[Edit] You also apparently don't know how to use the multi-quote function.

 

[mooooo]

Only when they're unable to use their mouth for themselves due to the foot they've wedged into it.

Oh, so you're agreeing that you place strawmen to attack. Other than that, that statement is an irrelevant insult, so nothing to address here. Same old, same old. In fact, you contradict yourself below by saying I keep coming back to say stuff, so clearly I do "use my mouth".

If you equate allowing an emotionally-stunted manchild to thrust his crusty dick against your crotch for 30 seconds with saying "hello" to a passerby, that certainly explains a lot about your mindset and the quality of your arguments. Protip: people of both sexes "expect" you to see them as autonomous human beings, respect their personal boundaries, and take responsibility for your own neuroses instead of shifting the blame onto anyone but yourself. If you can't "live up" to those expectations, you have no place in society, let alone a relationship.

The fact is, there has been no convincing argument that they aren't seen as "autonomous human beings". What I replied to was the attempt to show that they aren't seen as them, so my point (that you predictably missed) that people have expectations for other's behaviour even in normal situations in which people acknowledge others as fully autonomous needs to be directly addressed. I showed that them expecting behaviour was not sufficient to comprise a failure to recognise autonomy. Can't you actually make a good counter argument instead of childish insults and incoherent retarded ramblings? I'm getting a bit bored.

Yeah, look at you. You don't care about any of this. In fact, you don't care so hard that you keep coming back here to tell us all how much you don't care, before retreating back to your loveshy hugbox to tell them (multiple times) how much you don't care. You don't care so hard that you're willing to take a picture of your naked girlfriend while she's asleep, and then post it on a forum of woman-haters without her permission in a desperate attempt to shore up your flaccid, impotent ego.

And this is an example of why I think you're retarded. You see, it goes beyond mere differences in opinion, and has gotten to the stage where you make claims about factual information that can be objectively measured. In other words, you're objectively wrong about things, instead of just having a different viewpoint. For example, "while she's asleep". She wasn't asleep, she was reaching over to get something. "without her permission" she already told me I could post pictures of her there. She's just not too fussed on direct pictures of her face there. Notice I have avoided any such pictures of her face on the LS forum.

The thing about her being "nude" is laughable too. By that reasoning, everyone is nude because they would be if not for their clothes. The pic shows her shoulders. Plenty of dresses show more than that, but aren't deemed "nude". It doesn't matter if she was nude at the time unless I show parts of her that she would actually take offence to.

Next, I don't care about people's views about me here. If I did, I'd be like wandering pussy and ingratiate myself before you.
What I care about, what annoys me, is misinformation and stupidity.

"woman-haters" is your own inability to deal with nuance; hence you just smear the forum into a crude simplification. If they were women haters, they'd hate women just for being women. If that were so, then they'd hate all women. As you can see, the posters on the site actually got along with and respected Enginehead. They also accept and respect TheCounter, who is a lesbian. Ember was a poster who was liked well enough. Point is, it's not women they hate, but when women enter the site with an arrogant/condescending attitude. You'll probably just dismiss this bit of information because you're resistant to learning anything that disagrees with what you want to see.

"shore up your flaccid, impotent ego"
You could make that assumption. Acting as though your opinions and assumptions are truth is your prerogative here.
But lets take a moment and actually look at the situation in context, use our brain for a second.
In comes a woman/troll to the forum. She claims that we have problems with girls because we're all so bitter etc.
So then I act cocky and dismissive towards her. She's overjoyed, because she's found something to backup her view. "look at him!", she says. "This must be why you're alone! Because you act like this!". So I let her hold this position for a while. Then, I drop it on her that I'm actually one of the few guys there who has a girlfriend. The douchiest one there. All the nice, reasonable guys discussing things with her as though she's not a troll? Nope. So perhaps now you see my motivations. My revealing I had a girl basically just pissed all over her rhetoric. A picture rubs it in.

 

[Marvin]

How do you manage to get out of the house in the morning? You don't have a PhD in door opening! You'd have to, like, reason about the world without having a piece of paper stuck up your ass first.

Admittedly you don't need formal qualifications to have opinions on everything.

However, when a loveshy is making strong statements about social dynamics, it's reasonable to question why they're so confident with their opinions when they themselves have problems interacting socially.

 

[SU 390]

Oh, so you're agreeing that you place strawmen to attack. Other than that, that statement is an irrelevant insult, so nothing to address here. Same old, same old. In fact, you contradict yourself below by saying I keep coming back to say stuff, so clearly I do "use my mouth".


The fact is, there has been no convincing argument that they aren't seen as "autonomous human beings". What I replied to was the attempt to show that they aren't seen as them, so my point (that you predictably missed) that people have expectations for other's behaviour even in normal situations in which people acknowledge others as fully autonomous needs to be directly addressed. I showed that them expecting behaviour was not sufficient to comprise a failure to recognise autonomy. Can't you actually make a good counter argument instead of childish insults and incoherent retarded ramblings? I'm getting a bit bored.



And this is an example of why I think you're retarded. You see, it goes beyond mere differences in opinion, and has gotten to the stage where you make claims about factual information that can be objectively measured. In other words, you're objectively wrong about things, instead of just having a different viewpoint. For example, "while she's asleep". She wasn't asleep, she was reaching over to get something. "without her permission" she already told me I could post pictures of her there. She's just not too fussed on direct pictures of her face there. Notice I have avoided any such pictures of her face on the LS forum.

The thing about her being "nude" is laughable too. By that reasoning, everyone is nude because they would be if not for their clothes. The pic shows her shoulders. Plenty of dresses show more than that, but aren't deemed "nude". It doesn't matter if she was nude at the time unless I show parts of her that she would actually take offence to.

Next, I don't care about people's views about me here. If I did, I'd be like wandering pussy and ingratiate myself before you.
What I care about, what annoys me, is misinformation and stupidity.

"woman-haters" is your own inability to deal with nuance; hence you just smear the forum into a crude simplification. If they were women haters, they'd hate women just for being women. If that were so, then they'd hate all women. As you can see, the posters on the site actually got along with and respected Enginehead. They also accept and respect TheCounter, who is a lesbian. Ember was a poster who was liked well enough. Point is, it's not women they hate, but when women enter the site with an arrogant/condescending attitude. You'll probably just dismiss this bit of information because you're resistant to learning anything that disagrees with what you want to see.

"shore up your flaccid, impotent ego"
You could make that assumption. Acting as though your opinions and assumptions are truth is your prerogative here.
But lets take a moment and actually look at the situation in context, use our brain for a second.
In comes a woman/troll to the forum. She claims that we have problems with girls because we're all so bitter etc.
So then I act cocky and dismissive towards her. She's overjoyed, because she's found something to backup her view. "look at him!", she says. "This must be why you're alone! Because you act like this!". So I let her hold this position for a while. Then, I drop it on her that I'm actually one of the few guys there who has a girlfriend. The douchiest one there. All the nice, reasonable guys discussing things with her as though she's not a troll? Nope. So perhaps now you see my motivations. My revealing I had a girl basically just pissed all over her rhetoric. A picture rubs it in.

"wandering pussy"

Oh how cute. I actually like "Wandering Vag" because the first three letters in "vagabond" is vag. Aside from the point, you Fonduman, came to this forum on your own free will, like myself, Dante and Fschidmit. On the subject of "caring what others say", I'm surprised that you would be upset that I have integrated myself with this crowd. The reason why I integrated with this crowd is to prove to them that we're not whiny, rape apologists who are entitled to DSR. I have actually done more to prove we're aren't entitled, sex obsessed, ticking rape time bombs more than Advanced, Urban White Trash, Dante and Fschimit has done since I joined this forum.

The fact that rad fems and SJWs feel that us men are nonredeemable monsters because of the shootings of George Sodini and Elliot Rodger all because they had trouble dating. Do you seriously want us LS/incel crowd to be further labeled as untrustworthy, likely to rape, mysgonistic monsters because of the shit that's said on the LS forum? Or do you want us to be finally taken seriously because we have trouble getting into relationships due to social anxiety?

I would hope you choose the latter rather than the former. I agree that today's society and culture is absolute shit and women are on a whole different plane and have more power and options. What I don't agree is what some of the other forum members being rape apologists and a multitude of fucked up shit about women. What we need to understand is that things aren't going to be like the 50s in terms of interpersonal relationships. It sucks having to conform and live in a society where men have it much harder and women seem "out of control", but what can you do about it?

If you really want mature debates about this with the Kiwi Community, I suggest not to appear like a know it all.

 

[Durable Mike Malloy]

But lets take a moment and actually look at the situation in context, use our brain for a second.
In comes a woman/troll to the forum. She claims that we have problems with girls because we're all so bitter etc.
So then I act cocky and dismissive towards her. She's overjoyed, because she's found something to backup her view. "look at him!", she says. "This must be why you're alone! Because you act like this!". So I let her hold this position for a while. Then, I drop it on her that I'm actually one of the few guys there who has a girlfriend. The douchiest one there. All the nice, reasonable guys discussing things with her as though she's not a troll? Nope. So perhaps now you see my motivations. My revealing I had a girl basically just pissed all over her rhetoric. A picture rubs it in.

Did your wife say it was okay for you to use an intimate photograph of her in order to win an argument on the internet? Does she like it when you refer to her generically as "a girl" that you "have"?

 

[Marvin]

Did your wife say it was okay for you to use an intimate photograph of her in order to win an argument on the internet? Does she like it when you refer to her generically as "a girl" that you "have"?

Well, she is married to a former loveshy. He could genuinely convince her to OK it.

 

[CatParty]

@mooooo do you wear a bra for your huge mantits?

 

[Saney]

Well, she is married to a former loveshy. He could genuinely convince her to OK it.

Former Loveshy? Judging by his behaviour, he's still a Loveshy, married or not.

 

[DuskEngine]

Admittedly you don't need formal qualifications to have opinions on everything.

However, when a loveshy is making strong statements about social dynamics, it's reasonable to question why they're so confident with their opinions when they themselves have problems interacting socially.

If only there were a place on the internet where the door-shy could gather to whine about how knobs are difficult to operate.