Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Dom Cruise]

That's why Lucas grounded it in the culture of the day, which is especially apparent in ROTS. Like you can read a lot of Vietnam into the OT, you can read a lot of the attitudes of the late 90s into TPM, where you can see worries about the US's role as sole superpower and criticism of its politics (the villain is "Nute Gunray", enough said). AOTC has some criticism of Bush and government unaccountability plus reflects the uncertainty of the post-9/11 era (including fighting on Geonosis, a desert planet, as the "first battle of the Clone Wars", like Afghanistan was the first battleground of the War on Terror). ROTS is totally anti-Bush and criticizes his expansion of government powers and his global wars ("so this is how liberty dies").

At the same time, none of these Star Wars movies bashes you over the head with its politics. As I've said, one thing I'm glad about is Disney's Soy Wars movies is the movies themselves aren't too political and rely on statements by the producers to make them political. Aside from maybe Solo (which no one, including the writers, could decide if the "Droid Lives Matter" droid was a parody or a serious take since the movie's production was a clusterfuck), there's no real blatant insertion of politics into the movies and they don't even have characters with names like Nute Gunray or Lott Dodd in the movies, so no "Tronald Dumpf" or whatever. I don't think the feminism in TLJ is any more blatant than the anti-Bush stuff in ROTS and is only worse because of godawful writing and directing and politically because modern feminism is shit while GW Bush actually was a shit president.

Battleship Potemkin is a pretty damn classic silent film (although that's a different style of acting) and it's literal communist propaganda.

Wasn't Attack of The Clones actually filmed in 2000? Which would make the War on Terror parallels an interesting coincidence, but The Phantom Menace could also be said to anticipate the War on Terror in a way.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

I'm probably just going to pass


Wasn't Attack of The Clones actually filmed in 2000? Which would make the War on Terror parallels an interesting coincidence, but The Phantom Menace could also be said to anticipate the War on Terror in a way.

George goes to Bohemian Grove and shit like that. He saw an advance copy of the Global War on Terror script

I refuse to believe anyone at Lucasfilm is actually a professional at this point. How in the ever loving fuck can you run a franchise and know absolutely nothing about it? Either she's lying through her teeth or she's that fucking stupid.

So my guy who works as a consultant for Lucasfilm said he EXPLICITLY heard from KK

"Use anything you want from the EU"

He also explicitly heard from Lucasfilm (in some capacity)

"We want to lead the franchise with what we created." (vs what George and the EU folks created)

 

[Absolutego]

I refuse to believe anyone at Lucasfilm is actually a professional at this point. How in the ever loving fuck can you run a franchise and know absolutely nothing about it? Either she's lying through her teeth or she's that fucking stupid.

She's clearly lying. She signed off on a statement de-canonizing the EU outside of the Clone Wars cartoon in April 2014, rebranding it as Legends. She's aware of its existence. She seems to have taken its de-canonization to mean it literally doesn't matter/exist anymore and may or may not be aware how much her story group is busy plundering it for ideas.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

She's clearly lying. She signed off on a statement de-canonizing the EU outside of the Clone Wars cartoon in April 2014, rebranding it as Legends. She's aware of its existence. She seems to have taken its de-canonization to mean it literally doesn't matter/exist anymore and may or may not be aware how much her story group is busy plundering it for ideas.

And she also knows elements of the EU were used as a framework for TFA and signed off on bringing Thrawn back to canon

and elements of the EU were used as a framework in Solo

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Wait a minute! If Palpatine cloned Rey, yet is pulling some convoluted scheme,?



Did Episode 9 just ripped off the premise and plot of Ultraman Geed?!

 

[Reverend]

How the fuck do you fuck up so badly trying to appeal to everyone that you dont even please people who watch it for the action.

When you speak to everyone, you speak to no one.” – Meredith Hill

KK/LF cannot fathom even the most basic of marketing techniques. They've managed to piss off China, the one market they were trying to capture by:

1. Having a black main actor. Chinese hate black people worse than KKK ever could. Look at chinese posters and finn is non-existant.
2. Having a Non-Chinese asian person: She's Vietnamese which makes her an asian shitstain to the chinese.
3. Having a non-attractive female lead - Less about this but still not the same as having a strong male lead that is relatable to the largest demographic in china SINGLE MALES. Face it no one wants to fuck Rey or daisey ridley's. She doesn't have the allure that a Kate Beckinsale did in Underground to make that series sellable.

The chinese will gobble up american culture films like nobodies business and even try to make their own that imitate hollywood (The Meg). I would kill to see the numbers that ROTS has in China, it'll still be high, but it won't be as high as other SW movies.

 

[Mola Ram]

Face it no one wants to fuck Rey or daisey ridley's.

I dunno, I've been working on the assumption that she fucked somebody to get this role. Unless the idea was to make their heroine as bland and unmemorable as possible, which would certainly explain a lot.

 

[frozenrunner]

3. Having a non-attractive female lead - Less about this but still not the same as having a strong male lead that is relatable to the largest demographic in china SINGLE MALES. Face it no one wants to fuck Rey or daisey ridley's. She doesn't have the allure that a Kate Beckinsale did in Underground to make that series sellable.

Nah, in your hatred for Nu-Wars you're going off the rails. She's an attractive lady. And she does cocaine, so you know she's fun and freaky.

 

[a terminal posture]

Nah, in your hatred for Nu-Wars you're going off the rails. She's an attractive lady. And she does cocaine, so you know she's fun and freaky.

By real life standards she's cute enough but by Hollywood starlet standards she's bottom-tier. Nothing about her makes men go UUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGG which is important in a two hour movie with little else going for it.

 

[PseudoScrooge]

I don't know how I ever missed this, but her face is very tiny in relation to the rest of her head.
There's a "golden ratio" somewhere, and this isn't it.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

I don't know how I ever missed this, but her face is very tiny in relation to the rest of her head.
There's a "golden ratio" somewhere, and this isn't it.View attachment 1018495

Seems to me more like a giant forehead than a tiny face? The jaw-mouth-nose don't seem notably Lovecraftian to my admittedly imperfect talent for judging of these kind of things. But that forehead looks like it could crack walnuts.

Also, is that Boba Fett cereal at the bottom? And why do I think that's a good idea?

 

[Tour of Italy]

That's why Lucas grounded it in the culture of the day, which is especially apparent in ROTS. Like you can read a lot of Vietnam into the OT, you can read a lot of the attitudes of the late 90s into TPM, where you can see worries about the US's role as sole superpower and criticism of its politics (the villain is "Nute Gunray", enough said). AOTC has some criticism of Bush and government unaccountability plus reflects the uncertainty of the post-9/11 era (including fighting on Geonosis, a desert planet, as the "first battle of the Clone Wars", like Afghanistan was the first battleground of the War on Terror). ROTS is totally anti-Bush and criticizes his expansion of government powers and his global wars ("so this is how liberty dies").

At the same time, none of these Star Wars movies bashes you over the head with its politics. As I've said, one thing I'm glad about is Disney's Soy Wars movies is the movies themselves aren't too political and rely on statements by the producers to make them political. Aside from maybe Solo (which no one, including the writers, could decide if the "Droid Lives Matter" droid was a parody or a serious take since the movie's production was a clusterfuck), there's no real blatant insertion of politics into the movies and they don't even have characters with names like Nute Gunray or Lott Dodd in the movies, so no "Tronald Dumpf" or whatever. I don't think the feminism in TLJ is any more blatant than the anti-Bush stuff in ROTS and is only worse because of godawful writing and directing and politically because modern feminism is shit while GW Bush actually was a shit president.

Battleship Potemkin is a pretty damn classic silent film (although that's a different style of acting) and it's literal communist propaganda.

Apart from being rooted in politics, they were rooted in the honest-to-God everyday struggles of the working class. Star Wars is blue-collar science fiction, and I’m convinced that’s a huge part of why it was successful.

I’m working on a bigger post about this, but the OT and parts of the PT are dripping with grounded, relatable experiences that connect with the audience and draw them in. The first scene Luke shows up in is about haggling over fucking farm equipment for God’s sake. A major driving plot point in Empire is the fact that Han can’t get his vehicle to run properly, complete with scenes of him performing mechanical maintenance.

I mean God damn, there’s a scene on the Death Star where two low-ranked shmucks are milling around wondering if all the hubub is just a drill.

Jedi has less of this admittedly, and the Prequels have some grounding but the overall tone was meant to be more fantastical and detached; you were in the world of the Jedi, not the moisture farmer.

The Sequels feel like you’re in the world of the merchandising executive. They were written by detached humanities graduates or career entertainers several generations removed from the working class. They were written by the kind of person who uses an app to find someone to put their goddamn shelf together for them.

 

[Commander X]

In regards to Kennedy's interview at Rolling Stone

Lucasfilm's Kathleen Kennedy on 'Rise of Skywalker' and the Future of 'Star Wars'

Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy discusses the challenges of moving the franchise forward, George Lucas’ criticism, and much more

www.rollingstone.com

especially this line

Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels.

It's kind of a stupid statement to make, even for a studio head. Sure, those tie-media may all be glorified fanfiction but there are still two trilogies to work from in terms of getting the style right, plus a lot of backstory Lucas never fully developed but drew on.

Kennedy and her story groups don't have any real feel for the material. TFA was a very flawed movie but it was at least a starting point, I mean, With the right directors and writers they could have salvaged something out of it. Instead every other movie has been seriously mishandled and there was never really work put into the new Star Wars movies, there was no mission or purpose besides "make money". If you can't figure out what the story is and why it ought to be told, and figure out a way to get that onto the screen you might as well just set the money for the budget on fire. Even if nobody else wants to take her place and have to shoulder responsibility for the franchise, it's still a mystery as to why Kennedy hasn't been fired yet. Firing her would give hope to people that this franchise could, if not be saved, at least not be bungled as badly as it has been. Some have argued that The Powers That Be had to wait for The Rise of Skywalker to be released, which is debunked by the rumors of different endings, no one even being sure as to what the point of this movie is to be.

Every step of the way Kennedy admits she couldn't do her job properly. Did you hire and fire people recklessly? "Probably, but hiring and firing is hard!" Did you make poor decisions throughout? "Probably, but it's just really complicated, OK?" Even by the standards of studio heads, who have a long history of screwing up and making the most boneheaded decisions in Hollywood, she stands out as particularly dense and dare I say it, lazy.

 

[Mola Ram]

Even by the standards of studio heads, who have a long history of screwing up and making the most boneheaded decisions in Hollywood, she stands out as particularly dense and dare I say it, lazy.

Star Wars was such a gigantic, fundamental part of American pop culture that it wasn't supposed to require any kind of serious thought. Kennedy strikes me as the sort of person who thinks all a casino needs to do to make money is throw the doors open. Doesn't matter if the dealers are crooked and the restaurants are full of ptomaine; the marks will give you their money come hell or high water.

 

[Antipathy]

Some brief poking around Google Trends has revealed activity for Star Wars is picking up again, and I do wonder whether TROS will pass a billion.
I hope it doesn't, I really hope my estimates were correct, but activity is rising.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

The chinese will gobble up american culture films like nobodies business and even try to make their own that imitate hollywood (The Meg). I would kill to see the numbers that ROTS has in China, it'll still be high, but it won't be as high as other SW movies.

No, it won't. Last Jedi sank without a trace in China, to the point where they rebranded "Solo: A Star Wars Story" as "Ranger Solo" to avoid to avoid the association with Star Wars. (It flopped even harder.)

 

[Creep3r]

Some brief poking around Google Trends has revealed activity for Star Wars is picking up again, and I do wonder whether TROS will pass a billion.
I hope it doesn't, I really hope my estimates were correct, but activity is rising.

It seems to have picked up after JJ and Daisy did their interviews seemingly confirming Reylo, which also happened alongside the first TV spots and the release (or was it announcement?) of the new Kylo Ren comics. I'm also seeing a slight notable increase of Reylo activity on Twitter, Reddit and several SW forums.

I also fear this may be due to the Mandalorian and Fallen Order. Mandalorian's second episode was more than okay and I fear it gave people the false impression that Disney Wars is "on the right track" and "anti-woke/liberal", when really it isn't and it might make them think Plan 9 is as good as it. Its that sort of effect I mentioned before wherein the Mandalorian functions like a trap, luring unsuspecting prey with tasty bait only to trap you in the painful grip of reality. And Fallen Order, despite its horrible story, still has decent enough gameplay to generate overblown hype.

Then again, this may only be due to easily amused Gen X drones (or as I like to call them, the "Kevin Smith Generation") just suddenly finding out about IX due to the TV spots, since before them, knowledge of the film's release wasn't advertised anywhere IRL.

 

[Antipathy]

It seems to have picked up after JJ and Daisy did their interviews seemingly confirming Reylo which also happened alongside the first TV spots and the release (or was it announcement?) of the new Kylo Ren comics. I'm also seeing a slight notable increase of Reylo activity on Twitter, Reddit and several SW forums.

I also fear this may be due to the Mandalorian and Fallen Order. Mandalorian's second episode was more than okay and I fear it gave people the false impression that Disney Wars is "on the right track" and "anti-woke/liberal", when really it isn't and it might make them think Plan 9 is as good as it. Its that sort of effect I mentioned before wherein the Mandalorian functions like a trap, luring unsuspecting prey with tasty bait only to trap you in the painful grip of reality. And Fallen Order, despite its horrible story, still has decent enough gameplay to generate overblown hype.

Then again, this may only be due to easily amused Gen X drones just suddenly finding out about IX due to the TV spots, since before them, knowledge of the film's release wasn't advertised anywhere IRL.

Honestly, we've reached the point where individual efforts really can't change a whole lot. We can only hope that enough people were burned by TLJ to avoid sticking their dicks in the fire one last time.

Also, the Reylo market won't last, considering Ben's likely fate, (there's 3 cuts and he dies in 2 of them, right? 66% chance of dying?). I'm wondering whether or not a final cut has even been selected, every source I can find says it's an utter clusterfuck behind the scenes.

 

[Creep3r]

Also, the Reylo market won't last, considering Ben's likely fate, (there's 3 cuts and he dies in 2 of them, right? 66% chance of dying?). I'm wondering whether or not a final cut has even been selected, every source I can find says it's an utter clusterfuck behind the scenes.

Regardless of which final cut they choose, all the many leaks and rumors that have been coming out since last year all said the same thing, Kylo Ren fucking dies. So I'm going to assume that's the case with every cut. But even if he didn't, shipper faggotry never lasts. I mean look at all the retards that contaminated online communities and social media over Twilight shipping teams, Voltron LGBTQIABBQ shipping nonsense, Legend of Korra's Korrasami, Adventure Time's Bubblevampire, and a bunch of other shipping crap a few years ago, yet once those shows ended and they got their crappy forced romances made canon, they made some porn, proceeded to masturbate, then fuck off and move on to the next "trending" piece of media to latch onto.

Shippers are a bunch of useful idiots that are easy to rely on and exploit for popularity, but once you give them what they want, they jump ship and wait for the next sexual thrill to come along. Even if Kylo Ren doesn't die, and he and Rey drench their faces in saliva while Finn and Poe watch while bumping uglies, shippers are still going to jump ship once they get their headcanon validated and move on to the next trendy show that comes along, then self-insert themselves into a character they like, then demand the character they identify with fuck the character that they want to fuck. They're like parasites. They latch onto a host until it gives in, and once it does they drain it dry and move onto the next while they leave their last host to die without caring about the damage they caused to it.

 

[friedshrimp]

Does Ren truly die? Or do they go the route of establishing some lame-ass Reylo kiss? I'm just here to see the popular annoying fandom ships (Reylo, Finnpoe) tank like the fucking Titanic.