Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

I don't expect a reversal, though that would be hilarious. I just want to see the unredacted billing, and it sounds like we might get that. And the fact that Chupp might be suddenly taking a hard look at the defendants is hilarious.

In the end it doesn't matter. It can't get worse for Vic, because everything's getting appealed anyway. The 'worst' it can get is if one thing like TI goes through and we have to wait on everything else for a long distant appeal. On the bright side, though, we'd immediately get discovery opened up again, instead of waiting for appeal. And 0-17 would be ruined. There really is no loss, because we went into it braced for the worst, and it has already become 'not the worst'.

Chupp could literally rule for Vic to hand Lemoine a million dollars on a silver platter and it still doesn't change the fact that they've made fantastic headway in establishing a solid appeal. They did an awesome job. Vic did an awesome job.

And that's what I'm celebrating.
It might not go well in the coming weeks but this is good for the bigger picture.

 

[No Man's Burrito]

To answer you question, basically, Vic forgot he was in a lawsuit that settled literally 20+ years ago. This was brought back when the lawsuit was starting up....if you look at the last time it was updated, it was in March of 2019. (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/13735528/mignogna-v-forefront-communicat/)

I did some more digging in that thread on twitter, and it's just Marzgurl being exceptional. Sometimes evolution trades some useful things to make other parts greater. In this case, she can be a character in a failed Nintendo fighting game. Unfortunately, she's about as smrt as her spelling of Mars and girl.

Anyway, I went about full autismo with this, but here's what I dug up.

Spoiler: Marzgurl thread

This actually looks quite bad. Vic couldn't prove his case, and lost?! I mean, look at this verdict:

Obviously if something is dismissed with prejudice, that means Vic lost that case, right?! And, since he obviously forgot about this case that happened nearly two and a half decades ago, he must be maliciously misleading the judge!

Spoiler: The result of the case

Oh, wait, never mind. The exceptional "forty-seven and me" customers jumped to goddamned conclusions and didn't bother clicking the last tab that shows how the court case turned out. They settled out of court, which means it would be dismissed with prejudice so that someone couldn't turn around and try to get more money out of the same lawsuit.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

To answer you question, basically, Vic forgot he was in a lawsuit that settled literally 20+ years ago. This was brought back when the lawsuit was starting up....if you look at the last time it was updated, it was in March of 2019. (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/13735528/mignogna-v-forefront-communicat/)

I did some more digging in that thread on twitter, and it's just Marzgurl being exceptional. Sometimes evolution trades some useful things to make other parts greater. In this case, she can be a character in a failed Nintendo fighting game. Unfortunately, she's about as smrt as her spelling of Mars and girl.

Anyway, I went about full autismo with this, but here's what I dug up.

Spoiler: Marzgurl thread

View attachment 1020498

This actually looks quite bad. Vic couldn't prove his case, and lost?! I mean, look at this verdict:

View attachment 1020506

Obviously if something is dismissed with prejudice, that means Vic lost that case, right?! And, since he obviously forgot about this case that happened nearly two and a half decades ago, he must be maliciously misleading the judge!

Spoiler: The result of the case

View attachment 1020510

Oh, wait, never mind. The exceptional "forty-seven and me" customers jumped to goddamned conclusions and didn't bother clicking the last tab that shows how the court case turned out. They settled out of court, which means it would be dismissed with prejudice so that someone couldn't turn around and try to get more money out of the same lawsuit.

They need something to deflect because they don't wanna think about it being one of the defendants that caused this halt in proceedings.

 

[xyz741]

I think some people here are starting to fall into the same issue of being far too optimistic about chupp wanting to take some more time. It's best to keep expectations low lest people want a repeat of pages of boring depressed posting from people that thought it would be over quickly. Just something I thought people should keep in mind.

I don't realistically think there's anyway Chupp reverses his ruling. It'd be amusing as hell, but I don't see it. I do think it's possible he awards 0 sanctions and puts fees on the low end partly because he may think this is all a load of shit and partly to call JSL's bluff on charging his clients over quarter million dollars.

 

[Allanon]

Chupp could literally rule for Vic to hand Lemoine a million dollars on a silver platter and it still doesn't change the fact that they've made fantastic headway in establishing a solid appeal. They did an awesome job. Vic did an awesome job.

And that's what I'm celebrating.
It might not go well in the coming weeks but this is good for the bigger picture.

How much he rules for Vic has never really mattered much to me - at least not since the appeal was assured and filed. It doesn't matter unless the appeal also goes completely 0-17 for some reason, and then the appeals court ignores the fact that the fees have also been appealed and just waves it through without looking at it. At worst, it's nothing more than 'the worst eventuality of an appeal has been established'. Plus, even if he were like "TEN MILLION DOLLARS IN SANCTIONS", it just means the conditional appealing fees are negligible and not worth concern.

Thus, anything he does other than just rubber-stamping the requests or shaving a quick 15% off is entertainment, and this weird twist is entertainment gold. Even if it ultimately only results in unredacted documents and some minor sanctions.

 

[Confused Doggo]

Here's my morning thought. Thot? Thought.

I think it's super funny that they're all claiming the whole "He's an actor he's supposed to be convincing, he's lying to you" but also claim he is a terrible actor and everything he does is one note.

Pick one, speds. You can't have it both ways.

Not to mention they forget that Monica and Jaimie are actors too.
"She's a fantastic actor."
"So she could be acting like what you are accusing Vic of doing?"
"NO IT'S DIFFERENT WITH HER! Besides Vic is a terrible actor."
"Then how is he acting like you said if he's so terrible at it?"
"HE JUST IS, GOSH! You have a problem with every little thing!"

Plus, the bitch couldn't even fake cry. Not a tear. Pounds of eyeshadow and not a single streak.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

Not to mention they forget that Monica and Jaimie are actors too.
"She's a fantastic actor."
"So she could be acting like what you are accusing Vic of doing?"
"NO IT'S DIFFERENT WITH HER! Besides Vic is a terrible actor."
"Then how is he acting like you said if he's so terrible at it?"
"HE JUST IS, GOSH! You have a problem with every little thing!"

Plus, the bitch couldn't even fake cry. Not a tear. Pounds of eyeshadow and not a single streak.

JYaniv is a better courtroom actor than Monica and Jamie.

 

[xyz741]

To answer you question, basically, Vic forgot he was in a lawsuit that settled literally 20+ years ago. This was brought back when the lawsuit was starting up....if you look at the last time it was updated, it was in March of 2019. (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/13735528/mignogna-v-forefront-communicat/)

According to the person in that thread, Vic said "I haven't had experience with litigation", I don't think the intent of that was "I've never been in a court room". And even that is second hand, we don't know what was specifically actually said. But shane took this... maybe quote (which was basically just one of lawtwitter trying to play court reporter) and decided to throw out a perjury accusation, because why not?

 

[Aria]

To answer you question, basically, Vic forgot he was in a lawsuit that settled literally 20+ years ago. This was brought back when the lawsuit was starting up....if you look at the last time it was updated, it was in March of 2019. (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/13735528/mignogna-v-forefront-communicat/)

I did some more digging in that thread on twitter, and it's just Marzgurl being exceptional. Sometimes evolution trades some useful things to make other parts greater. In this case, she can be a character in a failed Nintendo fighting game. Unfortunately, she's about as smrt as her spelling of Mars and girl.

Anyway, I went about full autismo with this, but here's what I dug up.

Spoiler: Marzgurl thread

View attachment 1020498

This actually looks quite bad. Vic couldn't prove his case, and lost?! I mean, look at this verdict:

View attachment 1020506

Obviously if something is dismissed with prejudice, that means Vic lost that case, right?! And, since he obviously forgot about this case that happened nearly two and a half decades ago, he must be maliciously misleading the judge!

Spoiler: The result of the case

View attachment 1020510

Oh, wait, never mind. The exceptional "forty-seven and me" customers jumped to goddamned conclusions and didn't bother clicking the last tab that shows how the court case turned out. They settled out of court, which means it would be dismissed with prejudice so that someone couldn't turn around and try to get more money out of the same lawsuit.

you never cease to amaze me like always marzgurl is showing everyone how dense she is.

she can't even be bothered to do research properly.

 

[No Man's Burrito]

According to the person in that thread, Vic said "I haven't had experience with litigation", I don't think the intent of that was "I've never been in a court room". And even that is second hand, we don't know what was specifically actually said. But shane took this... maybe quote (which was basically just one of lawtwitter trying to play court reporter) and decided to throw out a perjury accusation, because why not?

That's basically what I was getting at. I believe Vic was asked a similar question at the deposition iirc, and they went all sperg about it. Unlike last time, they actually provided "evidence" that he was part of a case. Said evidence disproves the "spirit" of what they're saying, as it's quite evident that Vic wasn't maliciously lying and probably was super hands off.

That said, the entire thread is very telling. If all that got out of his testimony was that "he forgot he sued someone and won twenty two years ago," I think I'll let them have that pitiful win. Wait, nevermind, fuck them.

 

[AcrylicShadow]

According to the person in that thread, Vic said "I haven't had experience with litigation", I don't think the intent of that was "I've never been in a court room". And even that is second hand, we don't know what was specifically actually said. But shane took this... maybe quote (which was basically just one of lawtwitter trying to play court reporter) and decided to throw out a perjury accusation, because why not?

Well if that were the case, then Vic already stated in his depo that he has been in a courtroom before back when he was a police officer in the 80's. We need those transcripts ASAP. All of this assuming and statements taken out of context is nauseating.

 

[Bender]

Law doesn't stop people from breaking it.
But tangible consequence does.

I look at it the same way I look at munchies.

You're willing to put on the act of having six gorillion debilitating illnesses, you're willing to m-lk all the benefits of doing so, you love people's sympathy, but how far are you willing to go to keep up the lies?

Would you still enjoy it as much if you were actually suffering day in and day out?

Hypothetically, of course. I can't play god.
But i do think people who play with fire like that are inviting bad shit to happen to them.

I understand your point of view, but strongly disagree with it.

 

[HighwayStar]

To answer you question, basically, Vic forgot he was in a lawsuit that settled literally 20+ years ago. This was brought back when the lawsuit was starting up....if you look at the last time it was updated, it was in March of 2019. (https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/13735528/mignogna-v-forefront-communicat/)

I did some more digging in that thread on twitter, and it's just Marzgurl being exceptional. Sometimes evolution trades some useful things to make other parts greater. In this case, she can be a character in a failed Nintendo fighting game. Unfortunately, she's about as smrt as her spelling of Mars and girl.

Anyway, I went about full autismo with this, but here's what I dug up.

Spoiler: Marzgurl thread

View attachment 1020498

This actually looks quite bad. Vic couldn't prove his case, and lost?! I mean, look at this verdict:

View attachment 1020506

Obviously if something is dismissed with prejudice, that means Vic lost that case, right?! And, since he obviously forgot about this case that happened nearly two and a half decades ago, he must be maliciously misleading the judge!

Spoiler: The result of the case

View attachment 1020510

Oh, wait, never mind. The exceptional "forty-seven and me" customers jumped to goddamned conclusions and didn't bother clicking the last tab that shows how the court case turned out. They settled out of court, which means it would be dismissed with prejudice so that someone couldn't turn around and try to get more money out of the same lawsuit.

They really are grasping straws, aren't they?

 

[Lone Outsider]

Gonna agree with this. Just because Chupp was actually thinking about what was going on meant he's gonna reverse his rulings. He's gonna pretend to make the sanctions look reasonable, but scary enough to force Vic to appeal.

Yeah, I think that it's Chupp's excuse to get this out of his own jurisdiction. Either way, he could have used this to boost his Career but I am sure he's gonna boomer up and get disbarred.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

I understand your point of view, but strongly disagree with it.

No worries, I'm not here to police you.
Just thought I'd share my perspective.

 

[Bender]

Irrelevant question, but did Vic/Monica/Ron's depositions ever get publicly released or are the Nick streams the only copy we have?

 

[Confused Doggo]

More idiocy from everyone’s favorite shoelace-sucking moron.
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Greg and Shane wants to get their grubby hands on the transcript. Oh please Greg, do it. Waste more of your useless money on a transcript so that Nick can cover it for free.
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Shane, I thought you made more money than Vic. Why are you making Greg do it?

 

[No Man's Burrito]

Well if that were the case, then Vic already stated in his depo that he has been in a courtroom before back when he was a police officer in the 80's. We need those transcripts ASAP. All of this assuming and statements taken out of context is nauseating.

2019-06-26 Vic Mignogna Deposition.pdf

drive.google.com

This is the official transcript for the deposition way back when. I snipped the relevant portion. That's when they first went "nuts" about him "lying" to court.

I assume this was something similar. We won't know until the transcripts are out, like you said.


Either way, if that's all they got from Vic's testimony AND it somehow made Grisby's write a semi-positive article, I'm leaning towards it going a lot better than they claim.

Of course, they also got some claims that Vic moved ownership of a house to avoid some fees, but provided no proof and if has already been addressed here, I haven't seen it. So...I'm going to assume that's also bullshit.

 

[Lone Outsider]

This is essentially what I said about Jennifer t-posing and trying to go for Bryce Papenbrook and David Vincent. It'd be similar to try to go after Crispin Freeman or Liam O'Brien. The behind the scenes reasons for attacking Vic may be personal jealousy and vendetta, but the whole movement attacking him is not because he's powerful and influential. It's because he isn't. He has a massively dedicated following...and basically no influence over any part of the anime industry.

I think it's because most other Anime dub companies are more respectable + have more pull in the industry overall. Also, I get the impression that FUNI is considered backwood dubbing company full of disgusting people and most VA's look down on them and think they are only around because they got lucky and dub DB and One Piece. Many VA's have either moved on from voicing Anime or have going on to consilidate their hold on the industry. FUNI on the other hand has more or less stayed the same, even after getting good anime's to dub and buy out by Sony.

I think also that some of the VA's that are not member of FUNI's inner circle but also relocated to Commifornia have either kept their distance and focused on other roles or are Woke fuckers themselves. Another thing I've noticed about Vic is that he's not really 100% of a group, he's a bit of a loner in his own way and ain't really part of a clique, that's how he got singled out.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

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2019-06-26 Vic Mignogna Deposition.pdf

drive.google.com

This is the official transcript for the deposition way back when. I snipped the relevant portion. That's when they first went "nuts" about him "lying" to court.

I assume this was something similar. We won't know until the transcripts are out, like you said.


Either way, if that's all they got from Vic's testimony AND it somehow made Grisby's write a semi-positive article, I'm leaning towards it going a lot better than they claim.

Of course, they also got some claims that Vic moved ownership of a house to avoid some fees, but provided no proof and if has already been addressed here, I haven't seen it. So...I'm going to assume that's also bullshit.

It's all deflecting in an attempt to draw suspicion away from MoRon.

Yawn.