General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Neil]

I think most people are willing to accept a trans person's identity and call them whatever the fuck they want as long as it's not stupid and they're not being a dick to them.
The ones I've met IRL are pretty alright people.
That said, we don't need a full on discussion thread for this since most boards on the forum touch on this topic in someway or another.

I’m getting sick of the trans discourse here. It’s not really about beliefs, it’s that it’s literally the only thing that’s posted here nowadays.

Like I’m getting bored with Kiwifarms because of it and I’m sure I’m not the only one.

Trannies are the easiest group on the internet to offend, seconded only by furries.
The chans, twitter, rebbit, even fucking newgrounds--every site somehow finds themselves either shitting all over or walking on eggshells because of trannies.
There's also the fact that a lot of em are moderators on certain sites and operate in a lot of niche communities like speedrunning, EDM, and homebrew gaming, but I'd say that's an extension of being a neet that has enough time to spend perfecting those arts and the most socialization you have being a cutesy technicolor anime girl spewing kawaii catchphrases in a language you don't understand to sell you bodypillows and action figures.

 

[Piss Bear]

I dont understand why you cant be masculine or feminine as you please but still be your birth gender. There are drag queens and butch lesbos who never consider transition. Why do you gotta be special?

You just answered your own question... it’s about being special and standing out. People want to be unique. Thus, why there are trans ‘lesbians’ and trans ‘gay men’. Trans-trenders just want to stand out. People simply have too much time on their hands to be so up their own asses about their own identity.

 

[snailslime]

I couldn't imagine myself dating a ftm tranny until completely transitioning is scientifically possible. He/it wouldn't even have a dick or be able to get me preggers, and it would feel like more of a weird fetish than a relationship

 

[Dysnomia]

I don't want men in the toilet with me and if has a Y chromosome it's a man so no. No men in bathroom with girls/women.

That said I've always been a tomboy kind of girl so much that when I paint the nails, dab some makeup on my face and throw on a dress/heels everyone's shocked. I'm all for people looking any way they choose but I draw the line at men pretending to be women being referred to, and considered, as actual women.

I don't want to share a bathroom with men either. I'm sorry but just because you think you are a woman doesn't mean I have to go along with it.

I actually think that there is a biological reason why women feel uncomfortable when their spaces are invaded by strange men. Sorry "girls", most of you do not pass and it is very uncomfortable being around you and having to call you ma'am.

I don't like how so many trannies think their rights trump everyone else's. Thy go on and on about all the suicides and murders. But most of those trannies are prostitutes or otherwise engaged in risky lifestyles. Then they'll run from that into women's shelters where battered women would rather not be exposed to strange men.


You can call yourself whatever you want. My issue is not your perception of your identity. It's you trying to force me to accept it when I don't have to and it being completely unfair and unreasonable to attempt to guit society into seeing you as something you aren't because feelings. You are not female. You don't have the experiences of a real woman and never will. That's just reality.

And stop entering our sports leagues and taking away hard fought accomplishments from reasl women. You aren't women in tech or women in gaming either. And you sure as hell aren't women CEOs. Cut that out. Many women just see it as men taking the glory again in male dominated fields. It's just that they have to fake smile to your faces to keep their jobs and reputations.

Heather Peto
A long forgotten Cow that is still an official political activist for the British Labour Party
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Land of Goshen! It looks like a Brianna Wu candle melted!

 

[WeWuzFinns]

There are two genders. Males need to impregnate female, and make sure that their children are functional humans with gender roles. Females need to be impregnated by a male, and make sure that their children are functional humans with gender roles.
If a person can't ensure the continuance of their genes, they've failed their gender role. Troons could in theory fulfill the male gender role, but self mutilation and mental illness will usually prevent them from doing this.
The people who fail to continue their forefathers legacy, will usually lash against the society, by trying to corrupt children, who are yet to assume their gender roles.

 

[tiggles]

I think most people are willing to accept a trans person's identity and call them whatever the fuck they want as long as it's not stupid and they're not being a dick to them.

“Willing” is a strong way to describe “playing along with the mentally ill freakshow so he doesn’t beat the snot out of, or otherwise harass me, in the toilets”

Women are nice to gross men because few things are more terrifying to a woman than being cornered alone by an angry, violent gross man. Troons are no different.

 

[vintologi]

I don't want men in the toilet with me and if has a Y chromosome it's a man so no.

Throwing intersex people under the bus too as usual

Androgen insensitivity syndrome - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

r/transmaxxing - What does it mean to be female?

0 votes and 4 comments so far on Reddit

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That said I've always been a tomboy kind of girl so much that when I paint the nails, dab some makeup on my face and throw on a dress/heels everyone's shocked. I'm all for people looking any way they choose but I draw the line at men pretending to be women being referred to, and considered, as actual women.

Being GNC is not itself a good reason to transition.

You should transition iff it would improve your life, in your case it would onviously not be a good idea. Most detransitioners seem to be FtM amd this is not surprising, i suspect many of them end up going fay becuase all females reject them.

 

[byuu]

One thing I don't see talked about a lot is how trannies insist that even when they like their penis and doesn't cause them dysphoria, they are still to be called transgender. And terms like "shemale" are transphobic.

It seems to me that there is a huge difference between someone who just wants to jerk off on his own tits and someone who wants to be fully female.

 

[tiggles]

Throwing intersex people under the bus too as usual

troonshielding with intersex people as usual. Yes let’s use these folks with a genetic abnormality as a basis by which we foist up our johnathan yanivs. I’m sure the intersexed people are humbled by your thoughtful consideration of their plight.

 

[vintologi]

troonshielding with intersex people as usual. Yes let’s use these folks with a genetic abnormality as a basis by which we foist up our johnathan yanivs. I’m sure the intersexed people are humbled by your thoughtful consideration of their plight. You’re intentionally taking the most histrionic read of “men, use the men’s toilets”.

Trans and intersex rights are related and i was pointing out how defining sex by chromosomes would also throw imtersex people under the bus.

But even if there were no intersex people looking at chromosomes would still be highly impractical, it would not work well in the real world.

Gender Identity Nondiscrimination Laws in Public Accommodations: a Review of Evidence Regarding Safety and Privacy in Public Restrooms, Locker Rooms, and Changing Rooms

Legislation, regulations, litigation, and ballot propositions affecting public restroom access for transgender people increased drastically in the last three years. Opponents of gender identity inclusive public accommodations nondiscrimination laws often cite fear of safety and privacy...

link.springer.com

 

[Menhera-Chan]

Trans and intersex rights are related and i was pointing out how defining sex by chromosomes would also throw imtersex people under the bus.

But even if there were no intersex people looking at chromosomes would still be highly impractical, it would not work well in the real world.

Gender Identity Nondiscrimination Laws in Public Accommodations: a Review of Evidence Regarding Safety and Privacy in Public Restrooms, Locker Rooms, and Changing Rooms

Legislation, regulations, litigation, and ballot propositions affecting public restroom access for transgender people increased drastically in the last three years. Opponents of gender identity inclusive public accommodations nondiscrimination laws often cite fear of safety and privacy...

link.springer.com

What are you talking about? If intersex conditions didn’t exist, chromosomes would be right 100% percent of the time. The only reason chromosomes might not be right in every instance is because of being intersex.

 

[tiggles]

What are you talking about? If intersex conditions didn’t exist, chromosomes would be right 100% percent of the time. The only reason chromosomes might not be right in every instance is because of being intersex.

They cited a study on violence against women to show that there is not a correlation between troons in women’s bathrooms and violent crime. They did this in order to invalidate women who feel uncomfortable in mixed sex bathrooms, thus authoritatively dismississing any woman who expresses a desire for privacy from larping autogynephilics, because the law dictates that troon feelings trump women’s sense of privacy and security.

 

[vintologi]

They cited a study on violence against women to show that there is not a correlation between troons in women’s bathrooms and violent crime. They did this in order to invalidate women who feel uncomfortable in mixed sex bathrooms, thus authoritatively dismississing any woman who expresses a desire for privacy from larping autogynephilics, because the law dictates that troon feelings trump women’s sense of privacy and security.

If you want privacy that much you shouldn't share bathroom with strangers like that.

In general early social transition is a bad idea, especially when it comes to bathrooms, it will make people around you uncomfortable.

 

[teriyakiburns]

What are you talking about? If intersex conditions didn’t exist, chromosomes would be right 100% percent of the time. The only reason chromosomes might not be right in every instance is because of being intersex.

Intersex conditions don't matter for the same reason that other chromosomal and developmental conditions don't matter. They are, by definition, aberrant from the norm. They are flaws, not "identities". Trans activists use them as a shield entirely because the central premise of "self-ID" is fundamentally flawed.

 

[tiggles]

In general early social transition is a bad idea, especially when it comes to bathrooms, it will make people around you uncomfortable.

I’m not going to address the first part as it’s a weak ad hominem. As for the second, you’re empathizing with the position you’re arguing against. Unfortunately most troons never pass so the point is moot. IT’S MA’AM will never pass; /r/transpassing rarely does and it’s all angles and filters. Yaniv doesn’t pass but thanks to self-ID he can do whatever he wants. /u/alwaysautumn went dick out and strutted naked to the showers in the locker room. Troons make women uncomfortable. Sex-segregated bathrooms exist because even the most liberal women become prudes when they need to change a tampon or take a dump. I’m in a troon-filled area and most large restaurants have wised up and renovated their multi-stall restrooms to be single toilet rooms with a common sink outside. You only have to have a troon try to talk about “””girly things””” while you do your business once to swear off self-id bathrooms for good.

 

[vintologi]

I do agree that gender identity is a problematic concept

r/transmaxxing - Most of social hardship of transitioning comes from gender identity politics and dressing/behaving inappropriately

18 votes and 13 comments so far on Reddit

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r/transmaxxing - Does gender identity even matter?

2 votes and 6 comments so far on Reddit

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There are individuals who benefit from transition medically and at some point it will be appropiate to also transition socially and this includes bathrooms and other female spaces.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Throwing intersex people under the bus too as usual

Androgen insensitivity syndrome - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

r/transmaxxing - What does it mean to be female?

0 votes and 4 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

Being GNC is not itself a good reason to transition.

You should transition iff it would improve your life, in your case it would onviously not be a good idea. Most detransitioners seem to be FtM amd this is not surprising, i suspect many of them end up going fay becuase all females reject them.

No matter how hard you try to claim otherwise, a man is still a man even if he puts on a wig, wears a dress, lipstick and calls himself Mary. Even if he chops off his dick he's just an eunuch at that point and still not a woman.

Most intersex people don't even know they're intersex so how is a genetic aberration relevant?

 

[tiggles]

I do agree that gender identity is a problematic concept

r/transmaxxing - Most of social hardship of transitioning comes from gender identity politics and dressing/behaving inappropriately

18 votes and 13 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

r/transmaxxing - Does gender identity even matter?

2 votes and 6 comments so far on Reddit

www.reddit.com

There are individuals who benefit from transition medically and at some point it will be appropiate to also transition socially and this includes bathrooms and other female spaces.

How can we KNOW for sure that transition is the right goal when it is socially forbidden to explore desisting? How come every other psychological disorder is treated with desistance or mitigation - we don’t support the delusions of schizophrenics and tell them they are valid and healthy; we don’t tell BPDs to enhance all their unhealthy delusions and antisocial behavior. Until we have rigorous investigations into methods of desisting, the grounds by which we can claim transing as a good treatment is as flawed and tragic as the practice of lobotomy. It’s setting people up for disappontment - men cannot become women, and vice versa. But they try, and then they kill themselves.

 

[vintologi]

How can we KNOW for sure that transition is the right goal when it is socially forbidden to explore desisting? How come every other psychological disorder is treated with desistance or mitigation - we don’t support the delusions of schizophrenics and tell them they are valid and healthy; we don’t tell BPDs to enhance all their unhealthy delusions and antisocial behavior. Until we have rigorous investigations into methods of desisting, the grounds by which we can claim transing as a good treatment is as flawed and tragic as the practice of lobotomy.

Mental disorders in general are very difficult or impossible to cure and in the case of gender dysphoria medical transition is currently the only treatment proven to work.

You do not need gender dysphoria to benefit from early transition (MtF)

It’s setting people up for disappontment - men cannot become women, and vice versa. But they try, and then they kill themselves.

The trans suicide rate is less than 3% and same as the general population among individuals that recieve strong parental support.

(PDF) Impacts of Strong Parental Support for Trans Youth

PDF | On Oct 2, 2012, Robb Travers and others published Impacts of Strong Parental Support for Trans Youth | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate

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[Captain Fitzbattleaxe]

There are individuals who benefit from transition medically and at some point it will be appropiate to also transition socially and this includes bathrooms and other female spaces.

And who are those individuals exactly?