Social Justice Warriors - Now With Less Feminism Sperging

[Positron]

Jared Diamond's theories, the "stories" he so intent to tell, are the reflection of his times, with their focus on overpopulation and anthropogenic degradation of the environment as the twin nemeses of human societies. Many of his theories have been questioned, and this is unexceptional -- as new evidence are unearthed old theories are bound to get revised. But in the field of anthropology people are going to tell stories that reflect the zeitgeist -- which in our times are geopolitics, race relations, and colonialism. If today's anthropologists regards Diamond as "a joke", tomorrow's anthropologists will see them likewise.

 

[Plank]

The real problem is it tries to tie everything back to geological causes and that just doesn't work out. There's loads of counter evidence for a lot of the claims he makes that he just ignores for his books.

He doesn't just ignore anything that goes against his own personal narrative, right at the start of his book, Diamond flat out states that anyone daring to suggest that population differences contributed in any way to the different levels of technological and other forms of human development is an icky, nasty, evil racist.

There's absolutely no reason to read his crap.

I would not call him a SJW but he is seeped in its ideology where two of the root doctrines are:

1. There is absolutely ZERO differences in mental capabilities between different population groups. All inequality is due to racism or environmentally generated.

2. There is absolute ZERO difference in mental capabilities between males and females. Same as 1. but replace with 'teh patriarchy'

 

[Positron]

He doesn't just ignore anything that goes against his own personal narrative, right at the start of his book, Diamond flat out states that anyone daring to suggest that population differences contributed in any way to the different levels of technological and other forms of human development is an icky, nasty, evil racist.

There's absolutely no reason to read his crap.

And in Collapse, he prefaced by saying that the Papua New Guinea natives he met during ornithological field trips were every bit as intelligent as white people. It might be true, but he shouldn't expect anecdotes to convince.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

If racial differences in intelligence do exist then I'm not convinced they're such a major factor in why civilizations succeed or fail. Those brilliant Nordics sure didn't look so brilliant when Germanicus waltzed in there and kicked their collective ass back to their huts before he went back to bringing them civilization. Or why the superior Chinese routinely got BTFO by Mongols and Turks and Vietnamese. I'm also pretty skeptical why it all reflects 19th century racial hierarchies in the end with those scheming Orientals and Jews at the top and dumb Abos and niggos at the bottom.

By all means there's some interesting studies but I don't think the evidence is all there and being suppressed like /pol/ wants you to believe even if there's good potential research we're ignoring. Sure, there's likely some difference but I highly doubt there's a lot. I'm more convinced on the differences in the female and male brain since the dimorphism in women and men is far different than racial differences

 

[existencialdispointment]

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[emuemuemu]

Wrong. Luck had nothing to do with it. I suggest you start with Diamonds excellent book and go from there.

What I got from Guns, Germs and Steel is that it *was* all just luck.

* Europe was lucky to be connected to Asian via a horizontal landmass with similar climate running along it so crop seeds can flow east/west and be replanted with little or no problems.
* Africa was unlucky they had no edible crops natively (apparently the Dutch had to bring their own seeds when they settled in South Africa).
* South America was unlucky because they didn't have any large animals to pull ploughs or be raised for meat.

Of course there's no explanation on why Africans/American Indians etc. didn't adopt and mimic successful European technologies and cultures when then encountered them (e.g. the way Japan did). Instead they continued living like animals and charged British musket lines with pointy sticks.

I think that's the fundamental flaw with this type of argument. Even if Europe had a lucky head start, it's irrelevant because the reason the developed world is so developed is because we all learn from each other and improve when others improve. What's missing from undeveloped cultures is the ability/motivation to learn and improve, which is linked to IQ, which is linked to race.

There's absolutely no reason to read his crap.

I think it's important to understand where the otherside is coming from even if you already know they are severally misguided from the start. Your analysis of Diamond's and his book is 100% right though.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Of course there's no explanation on why Africans/American Indians etc. didn't adopt and mimic successful European technologies and cultures when then encountered them (e.g. the way Japan did). Instead they continued living like animals and charged British musket lines with pointy sticks.

-The native Americans did in fact adopt a lot of western technology to reform and adapt for their continued survival, however their are a number of supplementy factors at play. Not in the least decease control which frankly we sucked at dealing with in the period or the ultimate truth that America was inhabited by humans at a later date than everywhere else. If anything the continued survival of native Americans indicates they're a hell of a people.
-India's technology was in fact comparitable to the west, it's just we struck during a period of internal instability at the Apex of our might. If anything had gone differantly India would have been one of the big boys a lot sooner. It's the same logic as to why the Celts where overun by the Romans.
-Africa is pretty self explanitary-shitty land, hostile enviroment.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Of course there's no explanation on why Africans/American Indians etc. didn't adopt and mimic successful European technologies and cultures when then encountered them (e.g. the way Japan did). Instead they continued living like animals and charged British musket lines with pointy sticks.

Except they did. Where do you think they got all the horses from? Or the guns? Or all that iron? Maybe you should read some African or Native American history written after 1900.

I think that's the fundamental flaw with this type of argument. Even if Europe had a lucky head start, it's irrelevant because the reason the developed world is so developed is because we all learn from each other and improve when others improve. What's missing from undeveloped cultures is the ability/motivation to learn and improve, which is linked to IQ, which is linked to race.

You can't learn and improve much from people who want to come in and take all your shit and then oppress the hell out of you as long as you're there. Trade and the ability to speak to other groups is everything in sharing ideas, that's why the Australian Aboriginals and Papuans were so primitive (because it's a hostile land and they were so isolated from the world) and why the Silk Road was so crucial in Eurasian development (and African being mostly cut off from it got jack shit). Even brutal conquerers like the Mongols stopped the oppression and let ideas and goods flow.

 

[JohnDoe]

Of course there's no explanation on why Africans/American Indians etc. didn't adopt and mimic successful European technologies and cultures when then encountered them (e.g. the way Japan did). Instead they continued living like animals and charged British musket lines with pointy sticks.

They often are culturally unable to do so because the millennia of cultural and technological stagnation stunted their ability to advance even when progress is handed to them. You can take a look at the ruins of the once prosperous and advanced countries on the southern tip of Africa, if you need a more contemporary example. Don't you worry though, the evil white devil will be blamed for it in time.

 

[Judge Holden]

They often are culturally unable to do so because the millennia of cultural and technological stagnation stunted their ability to advance even when progress is handed to them. You can take a look at the ruins of the once prosperous and advanced countries on the southern tip of Africa, if you need a more contemporary example. Don't you worry though, the evil white devil will be blamed for it in time.

Usually the reason boils down to a mix of....

a) the ruling elites of said societies had alliances with european powers and thus enjoyed all the perks of modern technology and creature comforts, and saw no reason to spead the wealth to the proles since they already got theirs

b) the ruling elites of said socities had a lot of financial capital/political power riding on the old way of doing things, thus actively stamped out progress to keep their positions at the expense of the wider society

You can see this shit happening back at the fall of the Roman Empire where former territories like Britannia effectively reverted back to pre Roman contact due to how knoweledge and progress had largely been concentrated in the hands of Romans garrisoned in Britain and to a lesser extent in the hands of the Romanised elites who had largely gotten out of dodge once things started falling apart at home.

Hell a lot of this was probably at play with the Bronze Age Collapse since whatever the fuck was going down back then seems to have violently wiped out many centres of power/civilisation which left those in outlying regions bereft of the knowledge, skillset, and production bases to sustain civilisation as advanced as it had become by that point.

 

[emuemuemu]

They often are culturally unable to do so because the millennia of cultural and technological stagnation stunted their ability to advance even when progress is handed to them. You can take a look at the ruins of the once prosperous and advanced countries on the southern tip of Africa, if you need a more contemporary example. Don't you worry though, the evil white devil will be blamed for it in time.

It's also possible that 40.000 years of evolution in an isolated, "hostile" land has created non-trivial genetic divergences. A mix of both unfavorable genetic and cultural evolution is likely.

You were probably referencing post-apartheid South Africa. I did spend time agonizing over that in the past because the natives were given a nuclear powered nation with modern infrastructure and governance in place on a silver platter. They promptly turned it into the fastest collapsing nation not at war. That negates a lot of optimistic what-if thought experiments regarding Africa and African people.

-The native Americans...

Except they did.

I take your points about native Americans but the Africa situation remains. The "hostile land" argument explains why they couldn't achieve their own technical/social breakthroughs through no fault of their own. But it doesn't explain why they are still failing in modern times after having all the answers thrown at them. If geography is everything then white Australia and white South Africa would also have failed in a comparable way.

 

[Eekum Bokum]

I guess this thread for the next 20 pages is just going to be 3-5 people going back and forth over shit no one cares about..

 

[Matthew216]

One thing I don't get about these woke types is they know they live in continents (Europe and North America) where there are at least twice as many whites as there are other races, then complain there's too many white people in something.
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[Hux]

Who’s Noname?

Some noname

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

I thought I'd read somewhere that the entirety of anthropology was irredeemably pozzed and dedicated to be the spearhead of social justice. Something about a conference attended by horrified reporter or heretic academic or something.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

We're so totally dead by 2030 they aren't even willing to consider nuclear power even though it's the most carbon neutral energy available. Hydropower and geothermal and solar are nice but they're not going to be more than niche sources and solar in particular is far from carbon neutral once you factor in the incredible toxicity of solar panel manufacture and disposal.

Not to mention that hydro requires massive ecological disruption to create the reservoirs, so providing hydro to the central portion of North America would absolutely destroy the breadbasket of 2 nations. Solar isn't viable in a decent amount of Canada, and some part of the US get too much direct sunlight, which can apparently completely melt the panels, and wind using the currently popular propeller units is incredibly inefficient compared to the cylinder turbines, but not a motherfucking company out there appears to be willing to spend any dosh on them, despite the maintenance requirements and costs being lower, and the spool times being shorter, with less load on the units, and greater efficiency at all speeds.

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Hulk continues to try and secure "revolution insurance", in case the tankies and AntiFa somehow develop enough testicular fortitude to try and actually build scaffolds, guillotines, and walls to shoot people against. He's managed to avoid actually leading by example, despite having made his money in a capitalist system, however.

 

[Oh Long Johnson]

Found it.

No Science, Please. We're Anthropologists.

The American Anthropological Association officially moves to ditch science.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[Judge Holden]

I take your points about native Americans but the Africa situation remains. The "hostile land" argument explains why they couldn't achieve their own technical/social breakthroughs through no fault of their own. But it doesn't explain why they are still failing in modern times after having all the answers thrown at them. If geography is everything then white Australia and white South Africa would also have failed in a comparable way.

Because knowledge and experience isnt something you just download into your society and then everybody instantly understands how to make a first world nation, and even if it was you would still need a sustained period of peace and stability and a competent central government to ensure that a generation down the line the nation will be fully "upgraded" into nice place to live which would require either a spontanious outbreak of selflessness among the population and elites, or an authoritarian leader with enough longterm smarts to force needed reforms and restructures and then transition to something resembling democracy once shit is more stable. Obviously the latter is more likely, and is what happened in places like South Korea.

Thing is though, in labratory conditions with a population pool that has zero major internal divisions or conflicts, and with zero outside actors trying to quietly pull apart the seams for their own agenda, this would be pretty damn difficult for a nation to accomplish, even with the direct assistance and oversight of their former owners.

In the mid 20th century when essentially each of these new nations had serious ethnic and religious tensions due to the way their borders were drawn, not to mention the soviets and chinks were throwing massive amounts of arms and funding at everything resembling a revolutionary movement with a desire to overthrow "western backed" governments, and ofcourse their western backers and former imperial overseers having massive internal pressures to cut and run due to both economics and politics, these nations never had a chance in hell.

If they had been formed in accordance to actual ethnic/religious lines, and had decolonisation been allowed to actually finish as planned without interference, then we may well be looking at an Africa that resembles the middling areas of South America today. I.e. generally pretty crappy but nowhere near the shit slicked hellzone it is today.

 

[existencialdispointment]

Not to mention that hydro requires massive ecological disruption to create the reservoirs, so providing hydro to the central portion of North America would absolutely destroy the breadbasket of 2 nations. Solar isn't viable in a decent amount of Canada, and some part of the US get too much direct sunlight, which can apparently completely melt the panels, and wind using the currently popular propeller units is incredibly inefficient compared to the cylinder turbines, but not a motherfucking company out there appears to be willing to spend any dosh on them, despite the maintenance requirements and costs being lower, and the spool times being shorter, with less load on the units, and greater efficiency at all speeds.

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Hulk continues to try and secure "revolution insurance", in case the tankies and AntiFa somehow develop enough testicular fortitude to try and actually build scaffolds, guillotines, and walls to shoot people against. He's managed to avoid actually leading by example, despite having made his money in a capitalist system, however.

"captialism has failed us" meanwhile: largest capitalist states are the only ones that are successfully lowering there carbon foot print, and almost all socialists ones have failed to do any thing to stop it

 

[Hux]

Not to mention that hydro requires massive ecological disruption to create the reservoirs, so providing hydro to the central portion of North America would absolutely destroy the breadbasket of 2 nations. Solar isn't viable in a decent amount of Canada, and some part of the US get too much direct sunlight, which can apparently completely melt the panels, and wind using the currently popular propeller units is incredibly inefficient compared to the cylinder turbines, but not a motherfucking company out there appears to be willing to spend any dosh on them, despite the maintenance requirements and costs being lower, and the spool times being shorter, with less load on the units, and greater efficiency at all speeds.

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Hulk continues to try and secure "revolution insurance", in case the tankies and AntiFa somehow develop enough testicular fortitude to try and actually build scaffolds, guillotines, and walls to shoot people against. He's managed to avoid actually leading by example, despite having made his money in a capitalist system, however.

"Revolution Insurance", I like that. That's what I always felt like was part of the reason why some people overcorrect so much into the woke crowd, but it'll all be for nothing

After all, the people they're bending over backwards have made it abundantly clear:

Even though they lack the muscle and muscle to pull off a revolution, it's not for lack of trying; the will is very much there.