Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Godzilla@1989]

I mean are you saying this team of 20 people in marketing management making 6 figures are wrong?

It's got to be those at the top, or maybe at the bottom as well if they're letting them make those decisions.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

It's got to be those at the top, or maybe at the bottom as well if they're letting them make those decisions.

Well Marketing says its a cabal of Internet trolls and racists working with the russian government. So we should blame them as they don't give us our pay raises

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

Jews including Bob Iger gotta stick together to fuck over the goyim including their entertainment.

If you disagree/rate this autistic you're either blind, a filthy heeb, or a shabbos goy

 

[CheezzyMach]

Market research said kids love bland, uninteresting protagonists that they can fill in the gaps for their lack of a back story

I mean are you saying this team of 20 people in marketing management making 6 figures are wrong? or their 400 employees making 20$ an hour in NY and Cali are also wrong?

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not and that scares me.

 

[The handsome tard]

Regarding the LGBT+ kids (too early for them to question their sexuality)

Not to the lovely left, they arent. Gotta inject this shit into their brains early on, how else will be become sexually insecure adults that consume to fill the void? And vote democrat of course.

Well Marketing says its a cabal of Internet trolls and racists working with the russian government. So we should blame them as they don't give us our pay raises

It also helps we basically run a monopoly here, we are too rich to fail. We can literally buy the competition if we want. We make the monopoly laws, suckers.

 

[Prompt Critical]

Market research said kids love bland, uninteresting protagonists that they can fill in the gaps for their lack of a back story

There's something to the idea - the fact that male and female children play with toys quite differently has been extensively researched and is very replicable in studies. Specifically interesting for the purposes of this topic is that the way male children play with toys like action figures is aspirational (they want to be the toy), while female children treat toys like dolls as representational (they want the toy to be them).

Although data is spottier, it's generally assumed by marketing and writing professionals that this trend continues into adulthood. This is why protagonists in consciously female-targeted media tend to be relatively featureless blank slates for the female audience to project themselves onto, while protagonists in male-targeted media are made as distinct, unique and interesting as possible on the assumption that will make them more attractive for male audiences to fantasize themselves as.

Rey doesn't really have any agency, flaws or character depth, and those would be issues... if she was being written for male audiences. But she's a perfect fit for basically any female-targeted YA franchise, and I don't think that just happened by accident in Disney's multibillion dollar franchise. The bigger problem was that Star Wars as a whole broadly does not appeal to women, so making a female-targeted protagonist the centerpiece of the new flagship films was a really questionable gamble, and one that I do not think is paying off.

In my opinion this is a symptom of a larger misconception that is seriously hurting most large American corporations - fixation on positive growth of market share. The assumption is that a satisfactory existing product can be radically altered and marketed to appeal to potential new customers (who may or may not actually exist in sufficient number to be worth pursuing), and that doing so somehow won't alienate your existing customer base.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

In my opinion this is a symptom of a larger misconception that is seriously hurting most large American corporations - fixation on positive growth of market share. The assumption is that a satisfactory existing product can be radically altered and marketed to appeal to potential new customers (who may or may not actually exist in sufficient number to be worth pursuing), and that doing so somehow won't alienate your existing customer base.

Also alienating old fans (who make less money) is fine if you replace them with more selective fans (who make more money)
>If your a company like Disney thats the opposite of fine

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not and that scares me.

I am being sarcastic with what Marketing and Studio executives would actually say

It also helps we basically run a monopoly here, we are too rich to fail. We can literally buy the competition if we want. We make the monopoly laws, suckers.

And this bubble will never end...unlike all the other bubbles that did

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Hwy JJ, if those rumors aren't true you wouldn't have say anything about it.

‘The Rise of Skywalker’ Had No Test Screenings Despite Rumors of Walkouts

The ‘Star Wars 9’ director discusses who, if anyone, has seen the final, finished film.

movieweb.com

 

[Bongsnake McGee]

That just sets off all sorts of bullshit meters.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

That just sets off all sorts of bullshit meters.

Because NO Hollywood movie has 0 test screenings

and all this said was no one has seen THE WHOLE MOVIE yet (which the rumors confirmed)

 

[Reverend]

Because NO Hollywood movie has 0 test screenings

and all this said was no one has seen THE WHOLE MOVIE yet (which the rumors confirmed)

Which is probably TRUE in the fact that there have been cuts left and right, reshoots, and test audiences polled for POSSIBLE endings and viewings of the movie but the FINAL CUT of the movie has NOT been shown to test screeners at all.

This is how Disney/JJ can milk that line and be honest. The final aborted aberration of a film was finally released and Mary Jane's baby is ready for delivery to audiences who will need bleachmilk for their eyeballs.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Which is probably TRUE in the fact that there have been cuts left and right, reshoots, and test audiences polled for POSSIBLE endings and viewings of the movie but the FINAL CUT of the movie has NOT been shown to test screeners at all.

This is how Disney/JJ can tard cum that line and be honest. The final aborted aberration of a film was finally released and Mary Jane's baby is ready for delivery to audiences who will need bleachmilk for their eyeballs.

Its crucial to learn how studios use true statements to lie

 

[Reverend]

Its crucial to learn how studios use true statements to lie

And we wonder how actors become AWESOME politicians...

 

[Ghostse]

That makes no sense.

Not that it isn't a possibility, mind, but the more logical explanation tends to be the correct one, and the more logical explanation is that Iger was on-board with this shit-show pushing identity politics and insulting the fans from the start. There is no way in hell any company would lose as much money from this as Disney did over three fucking movies and not have sent staff to the gallows in response otherwise.

You're assuming a CEO gives a fuck about nerd shit beyond how much money its bringing in. At most there may have been some questions about choices that were explained away by market research. If Iger thought Star Wars: The Zionist Threat coincidental with a Song of the South remaster & sequel would make money and not destroy their brand, he would green light that shit in a moment.

I previously sperged about Box Office numbers on Didney Waz, but TFA did fine. TLJ did ok; it made money, not much but came in the black with international BO. Things didn't start going sideways until RO ("Problems with the script & with the director"), which still got positive press. They didn't get bad until Solo lost money, and that's what got Iger's attention.

Merch has been sluggish, but they likely had something to explain that.
I have a feeling Plan 9 is being offered as a do-or-die for a lot of staff.

 

[Zaryiu]

Speaking of Rey's stunts, here's a pro-stuntman breaking down the absurdity of the whole throne room fight scene in TLJ.

I didn't like that fight scene but now I know why, man too bad that like everything in Woke Wars the people in charge refused to put the effort in making stuff worth caring about (the stuntmen should have been the main characters instead of Ridley and Driver at least fighting-wise, they look like they care about what they are doing)

 

[Ghostse]

There's something to the idea - the fact that male and female children play with toys quite differently has been extensively researched and is very replicable in studies. Specifically interesting for the purposes of this topic is that the way male children play with toys like action figures is aspirational (they want to be the toy), while female children treat toys like dolls as representational (they want the toy to be them).

Although data is spottier, it's generally assumed by marketing and writing professionals that this trend continues into adulthood. This is why protagonists in consciously female-targeted media tend to be relatively featureless blank slates for the female audience to project themselves onto, while protagonists in male-targeted media are made as distinct, unique and interesting as possible on the assumption that will make them more attractive for male audiences to fantasize themselves as.

Rey doesn't really have any agency, flaws or character depth, and those would be issues... if she was being written for male audiences. But she's a perfect fit for basically any female-targeted YA franchise, and I don't think that just happened by accident in Disney's multibillion dollar franchise. The bigger problem was that Star Wars as a whole broadly does not appeal to women, so making a female-targeted protagonist the centerpiece of the new flagship films was a really questionable gamble, and one that I do not think is paying off.

In my opinion this is a symptom of a larger misconception that is seriously hurting most large American corporations - fixation on positive growth of market share. The assumption is that a satisfactory existing product can be radically altered and marketed to appeal to potential new customers (who may or may not actually exist in sufficient number to be worth pursuing), and that doing so somehow won't alienate your existing customer base.

Only sort of counter point I'd offer you here is:
How big is "Twilight" now? How big is 50 shades right now? Compare that to how big, say,' Bond is.

Your perspective on that makes a cargo cult sort of sense of what they're doing.
Most "Girl" hot trends don't last very long.
Kids (and man children) were buying and playing with star wars toys for 15 years with no new movies.
Obviously then it follows that if you get girls hooked on star wars, they will become loyal consumers since star wars seems to make people into loyal consumers.

It completely ignores what makes Star Wars unique or special. Or that trying to make it a "Girl" property will make it age like a girl property.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

I previously sperged about Box Office numbers on Didney Waz, but TFA did fine. TLJ did ok; it made money, not much but came in the black with international BO. Things didn't start going sideways until RO ("Problems with the script & with the director"), which still got positive press. They didn't get bad until Solo lost money, and that's what got Iger's attention.

Fun fact:
China hasnt made a "Ok" film very profitable. China has made very profitable films exceedingly profitable with like 5 exceptions

 

[verissimus]

Because NO Hollywood movie has 0 test screenings

and all this said was no one has seen THE WHOLE MOVIE yet (which the rumors confirmed)

This deserves that one meme with the thinking black guy.

 

[PseudoScrooge]

No film that has more than doubled in production costs (300 million bucks of reshoots) will go without test screenings. Disney has an unstable property that they can't figure out how to finish, and the first thing they are gonna do is try to get audiences to steer them in a profitable direction.

Nah, it's what somebody said above. It's just that no one has seen the FINAL, COMPLETE version. Hell, it only finished filming a week ago Sunday! There still is a lotta cheap CGI to smear in.

Remember in the Doomcock leaks, both sources said they saw an incomplete film with no titles.

 

[Oaat]

Only sort of counter point I'd offer you here is:
How big is "Twilight" now? How big is 50 shades right now? Compare that to how big, say,' Bond is.

Your perspective on that makes a cargo cult sort of sense of what they're doing.
Most "Girl" hot trends don't last very long.
Kids (and man children) were buying and playing with star wars toys for 15 years with no new movies.
Obviously then it follows that if you get girls hooked on star wars, they will become loyal consumers since star wars seems to make people into loyal consumers.

It completely ignores what makes Star Wars unique or special. Or that trying to make it a "Girl" property will make it age like a girl property.

It's like a company of aliens trying to understand human culture.