Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I was reading a while back that the driving reason why Disney bought Star Wars and Marvel was because they needed franchises for boys to enjoy.

That might have been the plan back in 2009 and 2012, but the culture of the 2010s shifted fast to where absolutely fucking everything has to be geared towards a primarily female audience for political reasons.

I remember when Disney tried to court boys in the late 90s and early 2000s with films like Tarzan, Atlantis, Treasure Planet and to a lesser degree Lilo and Stitch.

Looking at more food. I know it was covered when the park first opened so I'm just looking at newer videos to see how the food has changed/gone down in quality since then.

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Look at the gross solidity of those "ribs". It looks like brownie frosting instead of a nice brown char or gravy. The mac and mashed potatoes beneath look ambiguously like microwaved Stouffers sludge. This shit is $17 bucks.

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Oh what the fuck. Junior high food.

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Seven bucks for scaly turkey-flavored "jerky".

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This is their new vegan Ronto Wrap or whatever the fuck it's called. Looks less like "meat" and more like "mutt", as my old man always used to say.

lmao, the ribs look literally like a log of shit.
 
Apologies if it's already been addressed in this thread, but apparently Carrie Fisher has a lot of scenes in Skywalker despite y'know, dying before Star Wars 8 was released? How much footage did they shoot with her? Can I just have a separate movie with Leia and Han and their life after the OT or is that in some fucking novel noone can be arsed to read to make sense of anything?

Also to join in the food sperging, I've seen ads for the GALAXY'S EDGE COOKBOOK on Amazon. I thought "that food can't be very good" and after seeing the sperging in this topic, guess it's not
 
I can't believe I have to vandalize TVTropes again.

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"The Rise of Skywalker will be the ultimate culmination of 40 years of film history, restoring the foolishly divided fanbase . . . and we won't hear otherwise."
 
I have a weird obsession with how unappetizing and unappealing the food at Galaxy's Edge is and I came across THIS shit.

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Look at that lameass spread, complete with fake meat and cheese because every food item at this shitshow is vegan. People pay a load of money just to eat this rotten shit. At least the carrot looks passable.

The worst thing is that this "dish" comes off the kid's menu. If you know anything about kids, you'll know that they don't want gross dried out vegan food for lunch.
I could make way better looking food for fuck's sake. Hire me Disney you fucks, I'll show you how to cook.
 
Look at the gross solidity of those "ribs". It looks like brownie frosting instead of a nice brown char or gravy. The mac and mashed potatoes beneath look ambiguously like microwaved Stouffers sludge. This shit is $17 bucks.

The most disgusting vegan food is always that shit pretending to be meat that seems to be limited to the west. If you really think vegan food is the natural choice and the best choice, why the fuck would you even bother to imitate meat?
The best vegan and vegetarian food is from cultures where most food actually already is vegetarian. Lots of Indian food with no meat in it at all is absolutely fantastic.

But no, come up with fake "ribs" and fake "bacon" and other utterly disgusting shit made from bugs instead. Idiots.

No, don't, they'll fire you after you show them and then claim they came up with that shit on their own.

Then they'll win your lawsuit even though it's absolutely obvious they just flagrantly stole everything from you, just because they own the courts. And just to really rub it in, they'll sue an orphanage because someone painted a Mickey Mouse on the wall to cheer up a cancer patient and they saw it on Instagram.

That might have been the plan back in 2009 and 2012, but the culture of the 2010s shifted fast to where absolutely fucking everything has to be geared towards a primarily female audience for political reasons.

Even women don't want nothing but chick flicks, though. If they go to see an action film they want to see a fucking action film.
 
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"The Rise of Skywalker will be the ultimate culmination of 40 years of film history, restoring the foolishly divided fanbase . . . and we won't hear otherwise."
Oh what the fuck, the YMMV pages are supposed to be opinionated, the damn thing stands for "Your Mileage May Vary".

Really, who are they fooling with lacking a "broken base" entry? Damn near everything done since TLJ has divided the fanbase.
 
I was never the biggest fan of Dark Empire as I felt bringing back Palpatine kind of undid the ending to Return of the Jedi (among other issues I had).

So you have that issue here on top of the whole thing that this clearly was not the plan from the beginning (any shill saying otherwise is lying to themselves) and it just comes off as desperate and lazy.

The resurrecting the bad guy is really dumb & cheap, but what I like about Dark Empire is it solves the usual problem of an over-powered bad guy, which is "Where the fuck were they until just now?", and couples it with solving the usual problem with a returning villian which is "We beat him before, what's the big problem".

Where the fuck was he before: clones aren't activated until the emperor dies
Why is he a threat now: No Vader, and he's not going to be playing games when they meet up this time.
Bonus Tension: Luke is stronger than when he fought the Emperor with daddy; is he strong enough to do it solo?

I feel like a Luke/Emperor show down was something that fit the universe, as we never really got to see Luke & Palps go toe-to-toe.

I'd sooner tell someone I've read an agree with a lot of the unabomber manifesto now.

I mean, looking around now in CURRENT YEAR + 4, and he DID make some very compelling points.

Also, you have to also remember that with rusty old Soviet rifles, IEDs, traps, ambushes, and superior local knowledge and an extensive network of sympathisers within the native population, an irregular militia (the Viet Cong / NVA) saw off a superpower (the USA) in the 1960s and 1970s.

Oh shit son now you've done it. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you chose the worst example.

The NVA were completely fucktarded, the Viet Cong were only getting by burning their people at unsustainable Crimean levels, and the only reason they were able to outlast the US was because they were getting resupplied and trained by the Soviets via supply lines that American didn't want to fuck with, including supply lines to the south through neighboring countries. The US also had no interest in a repeat of the Korean War, where by going too far north they had precipitated a Chinese Zerg Rush.

If the US had been the American Empire, shit would have been over very quickly if they had decided to use the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation ICBM. Even if you leave Russia in the equation, if the US had locked down Laos/pursued the Viet Cong across the border openly, it would have starved out the Viet Cong in the south as they'd be unable to reinforce or resupply.

If you want to look at a more salient example, look at the Soviets in Afghanistan (Well, really anyone vs Afghanistan, but the Soviets in Afghanistan is where you can see both minimal international oversight/giving zero fucks about the international community's thoughts and large technology gap; the earlier Brits had less oversight but less technological advantage, the modern American forces can't just go around poisoning wells, summarily executing suspected insurgents, and massacring whole villages soviet style).

They needed outside intervention to expel the Soviets, but the Mujaheddin were able to fight and use the terrain to their advantage to put up a hard fight. Even then its not a really great example, as even before they got the US delivering equalizers like anti-air missiles, they were being supplied and funded by gulf shiekhs, who the Soviets couldn't touch.
 
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The resurrecting the bad guy is really dumb & cheap, but what I like about Dark Empire is it solves the usual problem of an over-powered bad guy, which is "Where the fuck were they until just now?", and couples it with solving the usual problem with a returning villian which is "We beat him before, what's the big problem".

Where the fuck was he before: clones aren't activated until the emperor dies
Why is he a threat now: No Vader, and he's not going to be playing games when they meet up this time.
Bonus Tension: Luke is stronger than when he fought the Emperor with daddy; is he strong enough?

I feel like a Luke/Emperor show down was something that fit the universe, as we never really got to see Luke & Palps go toe-to-toe.

Plus, the whole, "Sidious has means to revive himself in case he dies," idea becomes retroactively justified by Revenge of the Sith. He studied under a sith lord obsessed with using science to conquer death, and he apparently learned everything he could from Plagueis. Why the hell wouldn't the ultimate embodiment of selfishness want to live forever using the knowledge of his teacher?

Frankly, it'd have been a huge out-of-character moment if Sidious didn't resort to spamming essence transfer.
 
Oh shit son now you've done it. I'm not saying you're wrong, but you chose the worst example.

The NVA were completely fucktarded, the Viet Cong were only getting by burning their people at unsustainable Crimean levels, and the only reason they were able to outlast the US was because they were getting resupplied and trained by the Soviets via supply lines that American didn't want to fuck with, including supply lines to the south through neighboring countries. The US also had no interest in a repeat of the Korean War, where by going too far north they had precipitated a Chinese Zerg Rush.

I mostly agree with this. However, I'd add that even in spite of these issues and limitations, the US did defeat the Viet Cong, utterly and decisively.

It is true that for a significant amount of time the US military was quite frustrated attempting to engage the Viet Cong. Attempts to bring them into a conventional pitched battle as demanded by doctrine at the time were completely unsuccessful because they had little fixed infrastructure and were quite effective at hiding among civilian populations. Attempts to interdict flows of foreign weapons, ammunition and military supplies into the country were greatly inhibited by the terrain, the inability of purportedly neutral neighboring countries to secure their own borders, and the specter of Russian or Chinese entry into the war.

However, in the late '60s the US and South Vietnam implemented two rarely discussed programs that together crushed the Viet Cong in the space of one to two years.

1. CORDS, the Civil Operations and Rural Development Support Program, attached elite US and South Vietnamese military personnel to rural Vietnamese villages. They were given some money, supplies and basic weapons and instructed to organize and train local militias called Regional and Popular Forces ("ruff-puffs"). The intent was that the villages could resist armed Viet Cong groups demanding food and shelter (hostage-taking and collective punishment were common Viet Cong strategy to force compliance from South Vietnamese farming villages that mostly just wanted to stay out of the war). As they increased in number and experience, the ruff-puffs would be organized into a patrol and reconnaissance network that would gradually restrict the areas the VC could operate.

2. The Phoenix Program, a clandestine and dubiously moral joint effort by the CIA, USSOCOM, Australian SOF and the South Vietnamese secret police, was intended to identify and neutralize supporters of the Viet Cong in the civilian population. Targets were identified by various means, often unethical and unreliable including anonymous tips, hearsay and torture, and then disappeared, with somewhere between a quarter and half of the over 80,000 victims eventually being executed or dying in captivity.

Between CORDS and Phoenix, the ability of the Viet Cong to operate in South Vietnam was completely broken. These programs were so effective that the VC were forced to stake everything on a very long shot - challenging the US and South Vietnamese armies to a conventional set-piece battle. Their Tet Offensive was a complete failure militarily, achieving none of its goals and resulting in such massive losses of men and material for the VC that they were never again able to field an effective combat force.

A few years after US forces were removed from the country, the North Vietnamese army invaded, and defeated the South Vietnamese in a mostly conventional military campaign. The few remaining VC were rolled into the NVA and contributed little.

The fact that the current pop-history narrative of the conflict doesn't really mention this, and in fact tries very hard to convey the opposite impression, is kind of an interesting subject in its own right.

Anyway like you said Afghanistan is a better example to use.
 
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Plus, the whole, "Sidious has means to revive himself in case he dies," idea becomes retroactively justified by Revenge of the Sith. He studied under a sith lord obsessed with using science to conquer death, and he apparently learned everything he could from Plagueis. Why the hell wouldn't the ultimate embodiment of selfishness want to live forever using the knowledge of his teacher?

Frankly, it'd have been a huge out-of-character moment if Sidious didn't resort to spamming essence transfer.
By this same logic, Luke was always destined to fail and be a grumpy old weirdo who tried to murder his nephew. Han was always retroactively going to be a deadbeat and loser due to the nu-books and his time in TFA. The OT Palpatine being fake also retroactively makes sense too in the new movie.

I imagine you'd disagree with these ideas though.
 
By this same logic, Luke was always destined to fail and be a grumpy old weirdo who tried to murder his nephew. Han was always retroactively going to be a deadbeat and loser due to the nu-books and his time in TFA. The OT Palpatine being fake also retroactively makes sense too in the new movie.

I imagine you'd disagree with these ideas though.

My praise for Dark Empire does not extend to TRoS. Especially since the leaks make it seem like Sidious's primary plan really is for Rey to kill him and rule the galaxy. That's even more of a slap to the face: Sidious would never put anyone over himself.
 
I mostly agree with this. However, I'd add that even in spite of these issues and limitations, the US did defeat the Viet Cong, utterly and decisively.

It is true that for a significant amount of time the US military was quite frustrated attempting to engage the Viet Cong. Attempts to bring them into a conventional pitched battle as demanded by doctrine at the time were completely unsuccessful because they had little fixed infrastructure and were quite effective at hiding among civilian populations. Attempts to interdict flows of foreign weapons, ammunition and military supplies into the country were greatly inhibited by the terrain, the inability of purportedly neutral neighboring countries to secure their own borders, and the specter of Russian or Chinese entry into the war.

However, in the late '60s the US and South Vietnam implemented two rarely discussed programs that together crushed the Viet Cong in the space of one to two years.

1. CORDS, the Civil Operations and Rural Development Support Program, attached elite US and South Vietnamese military personnel to rural Vietnamese villages. They were given some money, supplies and basic weapons and instructed to organize and train local militias called Regional and Popular Forces ("ruff-puffs"). The intent was that the villages could resist armed Viet Cong groups demanding food and shelter (hostage-taking and collective punishment were common Viet Cong strategy to force compliance from South Vietnamese farming villages that mostly just wanted to stay out of the war). As they increased in number and experience, the ruff-puffs would be organized into a patrol and reconnaissance network that would gradually restrict the areas the VC could operate.

2. The Phoenix Program, a clandestine and dubiously moral joint effort by the CIA, USSOCOM, Australian SOF and the South Vietnamese secret police, was intended to identify and neutralize supporters of the Viet Cong in the civilian population. Targets were identified by various means, often unethical and unreliable including anonymous tips, hearsay and torture, and then disappeared, with somewhere between a quarter and half of the over 80,000 victims eventually being executed or dying in captivity.

Between CORDS and Phoenix, the ability of the Viet Cong to operate in South Vietnam was completely broken. These programs were so effective that the VC were forced to stake everything on a very long shot - challenging the US and South Vietnamese armies to a conventional set-piece battle. Their Tet Offensive was a complete failure militarily, achieving none of its goals and resulting in such massive losses of men and material for the VC that they were never again able to field an effective combat force.

A few years after US forces were removed from the country, the North Vietnamese army invaded, and defeated the South Vietnamese in a mostly conventional military campaign. The few remaining VC were rolled into the NVA and contributed little.

The fact that the current pop-history narrative of the conflict doesn't really mention this, and in fact tries very hard to convey the opposite impression, is kind of an interesting subject in its own right.

Anyway like you said Afghanistan is a better example to use.

Tet was a complete failure on every level, except for the American Commander committing a PR snafu by requesting reinforcements (His request for a larger deployment was because he wanted to take advantage of the NVA's blunder and crush them; unfortunately it reached washington before news of the success of the counter attacks did) and the Viet Cong, by the end of the war, were largely neutered. But the Cu Chi Tunnels, despite the Allied forces knowing about them, were still in use and the staging ground for attacks and occupied continuously throughout the war despite being near Saigon.

The US concerns about hitting soviet supply were because the US supply lines to South Vietnam were more exposed than than the Soviets. They had to cover a larger distance, and the Soviets had the possibility of overland or even air routes.

There was talk early in the war of using nukes to destroy North Vietnam's docks and render the main harbor too radioactive for use; the plan was nixed largely because the Americans feared Russian doing the same to Saigon, and the Russians using overland routes through China, an option not available to the US.

Fears of Russia doing the same & it being disproportionately effective against the US was why the US didn't harass or interfere with soviet shipping.

As always with my viet sperg, I should add:
The US could have won, and more-or-less practically did.
The real question is to ask if would it have been a good idea to do so.
The South Vietnam government was pretty shitty. A united, communist Vietnam proceeded to attack other SEA communist countries. Vietnam/China tensions caused China/Russia relations to deteriorate even further allowing China to basically exit the "export of global communism" Soviet influence; an American-allied Vietnam would have likely made China move closer to the Soviets.

edit: To move this slightly back on topic, trying to seriously apply real world rules/models to Star Wars, or Star Wars to real life situations, is an excercise in tardation. Star Wars is a melodramatic space-opera morality play; the good guys have to win eventually, the evil guys have to be evil and fail due to their evilness.
 
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The concept of common tropes in fiction are already pretty Autistic, so naturally it's the sort of thing that attracts the biggest sorts of Autists online. A lot like wiki work.

Unfortunately, whilst a wiki may have a power-tripping mod or two, on Tropes, like Wikipedia and the SCP Foundation, the infection goes deep. There's cliques and power groups that will not allow certain subjects to be discussed and certain topics to be broached. The only reason the site hasn't been completely sterilized of things they don't like is because the site covers basically everything and that leaves massive gaps that are beneath their interest, but if you look for it, you can find tons of sysops that are trying to push Social Justice shit everywhere and redact things critical of the status quo.

To give an example: During the Alex Mauer saga, Mauer repeatedly weaponized DMCA claims against basically everyone who ever hired him as he went fucking fuck-motheringly insane. He went on such a protracted fucking binge of crazy that he drew fire from just about every community, until the nanosecond it came out that he claimed to be trans. At that point, like 70% of the communities that criticized him immediately banned all discussion of his long and glorious history of fucking batshit craziness, and Tropes was one of these.
 
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