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Much like with the FBI's report on the handling of the Clinton Email investigation, I don't care what the mainstream outlets will have to say about the FISA Report. This report is over 400 pages long and not a word of it leaked to the press ahead of time, and on top of that they're all window-licking idiots so I couldn't give half of a rat's ass what they have to say about it. I'm sure that at some point one of them will manage to push out a good article about it, but I want this thread to be a repository and a page-by-page examination of the report and its contents independent from journalistic vomit.

If you need a primer on what exactly FISA surveillance even means, there's an excellent primer for it over here, and the same author also wrote a long article concerning the oddities in Carter Page's FISA warrant over here. In the event that you're just curious about how we got to this point or want an overall history of the entire debacle, there's a summary for all of that over here.

The gist of it is that FISA Title I and Title III surveillance require there be probable cause to believe the proposed target is a foreign power or an agent of a foreign power. They're explicitly designed for foreign spies. These warrants are not supposed to be used against U.S. citizens without a goddamned good reason, and yet that's exactly what happened, and it happened multiple times. It also conveniently just happened to be people in Trump's campaign that were campaign managers who got hit with these FISA warrants, meaning that because of the Three-Hop Rule, the Obama administration was essentially given free reign to spy on literally everyone in Trump's campaign, including Trump himself.

If you were wondering why Horowitz' investigation had to dip so far back to the point where it completely predated all of the Russiagate crap then congratulations, you're asking yourself a smart question. It all had to be rewound to the very beginning because at the very start of this, the entire Trump-Russia collusion narrative was predicated on a hoax, and then everything that came after that hoax just piled onto the lies. Every breathless second the media screamed about Russian collusion, every politician screaming about impeaching "Trump, the Russian Asset", all of it was built on top of this one, original lie, and without it the entire house of cards just falls to pieces.

The reason that Horowitz dug all the way back into the FISA warrants is because one man proved beyond any shadow of any doubt that these warrants could not have been obtained legally. Mueller's Special Counsel proved beyond a doubt that the entire Trump-Russia collusion story was nothing more than a wild conspiracy theory. There has never been evidence put forward to prove that a word of it was real, and because of that, there clearly was not probable cause to allow for FISA warrants to be obtained against Trump campaign members. Despite what so many people were expecting Mueller to do, the only thing that Mueller's S.C. succeeded at doing was stripping away the cover story for the spying on the Trump campaign.

Whether or not that was intentional is anyone's guess and you're likely never going to be able to prove the Mueller "White hat/Black hat" theory one way or the other anyways, so it's a bit of a moot point. The fact remains that at the very end of his investigation, it was proven that there was no definitive evidence or probable cause to assume that the Trump campaign was colluding with Russia. Now you know why it was Rod Rosenstein's job to give these frantic, desperate bloodhounds the wider and ever-widening scope they kept asking of him. At the end of this, when Mueller himself was going to be forced to admit he couldn't find any evidence, it was game over for the Collusion Narrative.

Thank you, Robert Mueller.

The only real questions left are as to how the Steele Dossier (Remember that one? It's been awhile.) wound up being shoved ass-first into these FISA warrants even though the Steele Dossier was a remarkably flawed piece of opposition research, and how the FISA warrants were renewed four times in the absence of any legitimate evidence. I'm expecting to hear quite a bit about Rudolph Contreras and the FISC court somewhere in this report, because there were a lot of questions surrounding that whole mess that are in desperate need of an answer.

Either way, I don't want to write a preamble longer than the fucking report itself, so let's see how idiotic our government was with the FISA warrants.
 
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Starting to sound awfully familiar, isn't it? All second-hand information passed down through another source who acquired it from another source who heard that Samantha said that Bob said that... I especially love how instead of actually bothering to properly verify any of the information, the OI Attorney took it upon himself to just assume that these sub-sources themselves were perfectly fine and rubber stamped it, regardless of whether or not their third-hand information was even accurate.
>network of sub-sources
>neither Steele nor the Primary sub-source had direct access to the information being reported

This is somehow below Schiff-tier in political telephone games.

And oh god, what if Schiff's impeachment hearing strategy came from this?
 
>Network of sub-sources

Well, let ol' Johnny huff some fucking jet fuel fumes, shoot smack into his eyeballs, and cram a handful of LSD tabs up his ass to figure out what that source might be since afterwards he'll have just as much brainpower as these FBI turbo faggots...

>Collating Data
>Collating Data
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Fucking 4chan greentext.

Christ.

You know that, right? That half of the Steele Dossiere was shit he pulled from fucking 4chan.

Or is that just a rumor right up there with an honest Democrat or a trustworthy FBI agent?
 
>network of sub-sources
>neither Steele nor the Primary sub-source had direct access to the information being reported

Oh god this is somehow below Schiff-tier in political telephone games.
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Fuck it we'll skip ahead a bit. Check out all of the fucking "he said, she said" horseshit on this page. Try and read that without going cross-eyed. This makes the game of telephone being played in the Ukraine impeachment hearings look like a straight-laced piece of work by comparison. Not only was Steele's information all completely fucking wrong, it's just a monsterous pile of third-party, hearsay horseshit with no verified or legitimate substance.
 
I think The Donald winning legit broke their little politician brains

It did. And there needs to be gallows installed on the steps of the Capitol. Hang'em high and in public view. The shit is beyond treasonous.

Frank? What say you? Ain't lookin' good for the Dems.

The Shit Show only goes so far. And the American public has pretty much agreed we're in the "Please wipe your ass." phase of this shit show.

Charmin will help with the ass chaffing.
 
Should we assume that this is how the FBI operates in every day life? Because if they are going to do this to a Rich Billionaire running for office, what exactly is going to stop them from using "Sub-Primary Sources" as an excuse to spy on us?

Edit : If we ever get the name of all of STeele's sources..do you think we can play Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon with them?
 
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That's an interesting footnote. No one on the Crossfire team ever bothered to ask who hired Fusion GPS to hire Steele in the first place before the FISA applications were pushed through? You'd think that would be a bit fucking important to know about, but apparently the team was just deeply incurious and never bothered to ask.
 
they can't do that for a simple reason. after this shit show, everyone will suspect it... and they will get jumped when it does happen.
further, if it did happen, people would blame the democrats for invoking/inviting such a politically-motivated violent action and essentially lay the blame for future mass shootings/tragedies at their feet and give them little recourse to counter it.

essentially, the democrats now have no winning moves. trump dies, he's immortalized and the democrats are forever stained as tyrants that hate democracy and love communism, trump lives and his election is guaranteed. their only hope is that republicans flip on him in the senate..... but even then, impeachment =/= prosecution. he can rerun and any potential criminal trial will be easy to beat.

there is no hope for them. they've lost. wholly and completely.
But if they can get away with Epstein why wouldn't they get away with trump?
 
Do they address the fact that the whistleblower ICIG complaint form was changed from requiring first hand information to allowing hearsay? Or is that outside the purview of this investigation?
That is outside of this, this is entirely about how The FBI got a warrant to spy on a Citizen Running for Office.
 
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That's an interesting footnote. No one on the Crossfire team ever bothered to ask who hired Fusion GPS to hire Steele in the first place before the FISA applications were pushed through? You'd think that would be a bit fucking important to know about, but apparently the team was just deeply incurious and never bothered to ask.
The Republican candidate was likely a buddy of McCain. Veselnitskaya was working with Fusion GPS when she met with Don junior at Trump tower, and had personal contact with McCain. Of course the wording of "candidate during the Republican primaries," and not "candidate in the Republican primaries," or "a Republican candidate during the primaries," could be deceptive wording.
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"Mouthbreathers on Television" :story: Tucker is beautiful.
Shit, now that he mentions it I'd forgotten all about that. Brennan flat-out lied in front of Congress about that. The Steele dossier was clearly used as a factual basis for this investigation because without it, there never would have even been a fucking investigation. Comey and Brennan are just outright sparring over which one of them gets thrown under the bus for this one now.
 
But if they can get away with Epstein why wouldn't they get away with trump?
epstein was hated and loathed by the public and while they were enraged at his death, it was only because the ring escaped... except they didn't and some are being chased. further, there is a sense of justice to be felt with his death, even if short-lived.
trump however is beloved by a majority of america. a sizeable majority. his death right after the constant humiliation? everyone, even ardent leftists, would assume a coup or democrats simply seeking revenge. and the first reactions would come from the more... easily riled up elements. the hillbillies with secret caches, the soveiregn civvies, the militiamen. they'd react and work to incite others... and in that situation? it would not be hard. a simple, easy argument that can't easily be refuted. 'they took down trump, his supporters are next, join us and fight back'. and there you have it.
however, after thinking, it's not hard to believe the democrats aren't weighing this too.
all their attempts at sneaky shit have failed and this is far, far, far harder than anything they'd have done. the slightest mistake explodes into civil war, of which they will handily lose. as much as they'd like to pretend, their deeper psyches won't let them forget this fact and will force them to ackowledge it when they consider assassination. they would be risking quite literally their lives and their descendants lives and livliehoods.... for what? a short-term victory? for 4 years? no... they're crazy but not that crazy.
 
Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell told me that it says the fbi did nothing wrong, that trump and barr are wasting our time and monies with their pointless investigations, and it's a big nothingburger.
 
#1 In no way shape or form do I see the FBI being exonerated
#2 I see this (since its an IG report) more concern about the lack of good processes to handle some of these particular circumstances


Not only that, in my opinion the FBI's credibility on ANYTHING is now shit. If I was going to trial on a Federal case, something the FBI investigated, I'd demand a jury trial and expect my lawyer/legal team to insistently attack the FBI's honesty and credibility. And since I'm a conservative, I'd have my lawyer/legal team accuse the FBI/US Attorney of investigating me due solely to politics. Believe this would establish a reasonable doubt in enough of the jury's minds that I would have a good chance of getting off. Bet some people are already using this general type of defense in their Federal trials. You'd be a fool not to. The FBI has done more damage to its' reputation in the last three years than it has done in the approximately eighty years prior to 2016.

I greatly appreciate HK-47 and the other KFers who have provided such excellent analysis of this document. Am so tired of all this shit that I could scream, and don't read the documents, but the analysis gets right down to the nitty gritty.
 
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