Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Rei is shit]

HE MIGHT'VE DONE IT


EDIT: LMAO

 

[DumbDude42]

For the record, how many agree that the problem wasn't inherently the idea of a female protagonist for the sequel trilogy, it was just done poorly?

For a third trilogy a female protagonist was a good idea just to differentiate it from the prior two trilogies if nothing else, the trouble is they forgot to make Rey an actual character.

female protagonist/character is pretty irrelevant
for reference, in KotOR2 both the protagonist (jedi exile/meetra surik, canon female) and the second main character (kreia, an old jedi lady) as well as the final boss (darth traya) are all female, along with a bunch of other important characters like atris, her handmaiden, visas marr, etc. the game is one of the most well received pieces of star wars EU content of the 2000s due to its unique take on the nature of the force, the jedi and the sith (it can come off as a little pretentious at times though)

'rey' on the other hand is just an uninteresting, forgettable and pointless character, in a bunch of uninteresting retard movies with dogshit writing and plots that make no sense.
and when media people then start praising this empty shell of a character as the best thing ever while shoving their #TheForceIsFemale #ItWasHerTurn #ResistDrumpf bullshit in everybody's face, that's when actual resentment and backlash starts forming.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

HE MIGHT'VE DONE IT
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Make of this what you will, but things don't look good for The Rise of Palpatine in Europe.

InternationalThe Rise of Skywalker: Europe has fallen! Joker may have beaten Rise of Skywalker in Italy! (self.boxoffice)
submitted 4 hours ago by BartAllen2

I have a bad feeling about this ~

And didn't Deadline suggest that TROS was outselling Avengers: Endgame in presales? *facepalm*

Link: http://forum.insidekino.de/viewtopic.php?f=11&p=71651#p71649

French Opening Day:
Bastien on Box Office Theory stated "Aproximately 380k admissions yesterday in France. It is really underwhelming."
The Force Awakens: 619,020
The Last Jedi: 503,727
The Rise of Skywalker: 380,000 (-25% / TLJ & -39%/TFA)
Which happens to be the worst opening day for for the franchise in France since Return of the Jedi in 1983.

German Opening Day:
According to Mark G. of Insidekino, it'll do about 300k, which is 30% less than The Last Jedi.

Italian Opening Day:
Rise of Skywalker made about 1,136M€ (1,27M$) in it's opening day in Italy, with the tracking estimated to being around 10% less than The Last Jedi. Joker beat it (I believe) with an opening day of 148.766k, in which it made €1.232.535. We'll have to see when the numbers come in officially.

Conclusion:
So far it has made $10.2mn from 4 markets, and it has been suggested if the United Kingdom follows the same pace it'll have an opening weekend from those markets of around $20-25 million.

 

[Extremist Frank]

For the record, how many agree that the problem wasn't inherently the idea of a female protagonist for the sequel trilogy, it was just done poorly?

For a third trilogy a female protagonist was a good idea just to differentiate it from the prior two trilogies if nothing else, the trouble is they forgot to make Rey an actual character.

WOMEN IN MY STAR WARS?!?

I couldn’t care less that the main character is female if she were well written. Crisjen Avaserala (the Expanse) and Laura Roslin (BSG remake) are excellent female characters that I enjoy watching. They have fantastic actresses and are, generally, written well.

I am all teh Jedi Rey is a shitty Kathleen Kennedy self-insert pushing a dumb message, that muh force is female, portrayed by a horrendous actress who genuinely believes any critics are sexist misogynists because Mary Sue is a female name.

The story of Rey and her actress is the reboot of Dumb and Dumber nobody asked for.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

Outside of people like those at One Autistic Gamer, no one cared about the MC having bobs. When Ridley was first announced, I figured that she was Luke's daughter and I think most everyone would have been fine with that. Like you said, it'd help her stand out and it would have been a good way to differentiate the sequels from the EU where he had a son.

That's one thing I DID like, Luke having no kids. Lucas never liked the idea and it was never set up in the films. I liked the idea of Luke being married to the force(I never cared for Mara Jade either-outside of Zahn stuff)...

He only did it to capitulate to whining fans.

Narratively, it makes way more sense the bloodline would pass through Leia/Han...

Now, adopted child of Luke? I could get behind that, if it was developed and earned....

As far as female lead? I have no issues. The original idea for 7-9 protagonist was Luke's sister(before she became leia)with Luke as a supporting lead.

But, in hindsight, I think Finn would have made for a better protagonist than Rey. Boyega is a better actor than Ridley. Plus, the idea of a defecting force sensitive stormtrooper with no past/name, inherenting the Skywalker legacy sounds pretty great.

That would have been a wonderful foil with the Kylo's entitled natural bloodline.

You lose the romance/sexual tension between Rey/Ren but wasn't much there anyway...

 

[JongleJingle]

Holy.

Fucking.

Shit.

I awaken once more, and in a daily ritual now that I am one with the Farms, check the tab on Star Wars.

And I see nothing.

But.

Absolute.

LUNACY.

Star Wars flopping. Both sides of the political system fighting one another to see who hates the film the most.

A $20 MILLION OPENING.

FOR FUCKING STAR WARS.

Am I still sleeping? Are my eyes playing tricks upon my autismo brain?

If not, then please, continue on.

This is fucking hilarious, and amazing.

 

[Ow The Edge]

Yeah but even a five-star chef can’t make fecal matter into a decent meal. And I compare Star Wars to shit in the sense that we’d already consumed it and gotten all the good stuff out of it by the time Disney bought it. And the way they marketted the purchase by throwing classic Star Wars imagery all over the place was writing on the wall that it was gonna end this way.

They could have easily adapted the Thrawn Trilogy with minor modifications to the timeline to account for the actors’ age and rolled in money. It would have been easy, lazy, and profitable, but instead they chose to crash the franchise with no survivors. Don’t excuse them by pretending they couldn’t have done anything else.

 

[Shield Breaker]

That's one thing I DID like, Luke having no kids. Lucas never liked the idea and it was never set up in the films. I liked the idea of Luke being married to the force(I never cared for Mara Jade either-outside of Zahn stuff)...

He only did it to capitulate to whining fans.

Narratively, it makes way more sense the bloodline would pass through Leia/Han...

Now, adopted child of Luke? I could get behind that, if it was developed and earned....

I would be fine with adoption, but the whole not married thing came off as Lucas being bitter about his own love life. Plus it resulted in the Jedi kidnapping kids to refill their ranks. Finally, since George insisted that the Force is genetic on some level, the Jedi Order is literally removing force sensitivity from the gene pool.

 

[aricebowl]

Make of this what you will, but things don't look good for The Rise of Palpatine in Europe.

This franchise has become a really drawn out way to burn money and I can’t wait to see the fire.

 

[left arm]

Also I know this has probably been done to fucking death already but seriously.... what the actual fuck were they thinking in with the "Rey falls in love with Kylo Ren" horseshit?!

I mean setting aside the fact he is a mass murdering psychopath who gleefully participated in the biggest genocide in history, his only interactions with her were trying to murder her, torturing her, killing the guy she latched on to as a new daddy and....then they are fucking force flirting with eachother in the next movie?! and then after he AGAIN tries to fucking kill her and all her fri....acquaintances and spends a year going full Hitler on the galaxy she just straight up drops her proverbial panties for him the moment he apologises?!

Like the proto SJW hordes absolutely fucking evicerated twilight for centring round a romance thats not even slightly this fucking creepy and unnatural and abusive but they fucking fawn over this shit?

For that matter dafuq was the basis for the "oooh rey is being temped by the dark side oooooo" plotline!?

The actual fuck was she being tempted by other then "hey...wanna be evil and stuff?"

Like...if she perhaps was not a stupidly overpowered mary sue then maybe an outmatched and inexperienced protagonist fighting a very definitively losing fight over the course of the movies could legit be tempted to just go full fucking Vader in order to defeat the nu empire but Rey easily fucking wins everything she fucking does so there is literally zero fucking reason why she would be tempted...hell she isnt even angry about how evil the first order and Kylo are because as specified above she doesnt give two shits about that...

The reason I am sperging about this particular plot point is that this is what the critics and consoomers are declaring the "one redeeming feature" of TROS and im sitting here wondering what the fuck they are talking about....seriously am I missing something here?!

The difference between this and Twilight is that Star Wars put out respectful media in its lifetime. Twilight started as shit, and remained shit in all of its iterations, so people were rightfully making fun of it throughout its lifetime (until Lindsay Ellis said hating Twilight meant you hated women or whatever). Meanwhile, Star Wars you can at least hold out hope that it's good, because it made other content that was good before, until you get to the end and realize you wasted your time and money.

That aside, my tinfoil hat theory on why Reylo is so popular: Rey is just a plank of wood, so I'm of the opinion a lot of the shippers aren't shipping Reylo, and are moreso shipping themselves/Kylo, and using Rey for that fulfillment rather than a self insert. Women in fandoms go absolutely ape for bad boys, especially if they get sad a few times, because they can fix him. (I also believe enemies to lovers is a popular trope as well?)

So I'm assuming that those people using Rey as a self insert is why it got popular, then, when the creators of this shitshow realized how bad it was going to be, but still had to go through with it because the rat wants what it wants, they used "Confirm Reylo" as their original content emergency button, thinking that would fix everything. (Which it didn't, but I guess it works as a positive?)

It probably would work if this triology was constructed around Rey and Kylo becoming a thing, but this trilogy had no direction in mind while it was being made, so it's just a clusterfuck of things happening.

 

[BipolarPon]

At least /tv/ has the meme game going
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Oh please Rey, Grievous has way more lightsabers than you and he earned them.

 

[Fareal]

That's one thing I DID like, Luke having no kids. Lucas never liked the idea and it was never set up in the films. I liked the idea of Luke being married to the force(I never cared for Mara Jade either-outside of Zahn stuff)...

He only did it to capitulate to whining fans.

Narratively, it makes way more sense the bloodline would pass through Leia/Han...

Now, adopted child of Luke? I could get behind that, if it was developed and earned....

Of course, in Old EU, the Solo children are waaaaaay more fucking important in the story arcs than Ben Skywalker. That is fine. No one honestly was gonna bitch about that. Leia is Luke's twin; the idea that her children would be powerful in the Force is perfectly logical.

The thing that has always left me on the curb about Rey is, if they wanted a female protagonist so badly (I'm all cool with that, we know there are lots of female Jedi already) what was wrong with the Jaina arc?

(Okay, we can shit on Kevin Anderson here, but let's say that Jaina's arc is adapted more or less from the novels but by writers who are much more competent that Anderson, and also they are only doing three movies' worth as opposed to nine million novels)

The idea of "girl has to kill her Sith twin because he's the big villain but he kinda only went that way because their baby bro died and they are both super fucked up over that" just gives your girl protag so much more actual motive to Get Shit Done. Also, the death of little Anakin fucking up the Solo twins gives Jacen (your Kylo replacement) some actual fucking character depth.

Rey doesn't know Emps from shit even though he is her grandfather, so there's no emotional resonance in the Big Final Duel. Jaina versus Caedus/Jacen? And when she kills Caedus, she feels Jacen - still in there - die in the Force whilst trying to save his unborn daughter? Fucking brutal.

if you really wanted to Subvert Le Expectations, give the entire nine film cycle a bummer ending like that. Yes, the Sith are gone, the galaxy is saved and the Jedi win... but at what a cost to the Skywalker extended family. Give your heroine shades of grey.

 

[Extremist Frank]

They could have easily adapted the Thrawn Trilogy with minor modifications to the timeline to account for the actors’ age and rolled in money. It would have been easy, lazy, and profitable, but instead they chose to crash the franchise with no survivors. Don’t excuse them by pretending they couldn’t have done anything else.

Disney went with the galaxy brain take and incorporated Thrawn into Rebels and then was going to follow up on that with a Thrawn anthology film, and then cancelled the Thrawn film after Solo bombed.

That alone demonstrates how absolutely retarded KK and her team are. A Thrawn film is essentially a guaranteed moneymaker because the fan base /wants/ Thrawn. No one wanted a shitty remake of the OT, Dark Empire told in the finale to a trilogy, or a Solo film. Give the nerds spooky blue admiral and they will flock to the theaters in droves. But KK is so out of touch with the Star Wars fan base that she’ll just keep pushing shitty self-insert films because muh force and muh Star Wars is female.

 

[Judge Holden]

HE MIGHT'VE DONE IT
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EDIT: LMAO
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Hate to repeat myself but...

WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE?!

WHAT. THE. FUCK. HAVE. YOU. DONE!?

I....if this actually gets outsold by fucking Joker then I genuinely think Iger might have someone killed

 

[Toast Sandwich]

'rey' on the other hand is just an uninteresting, forgettable and pointless character, in a bunch of uninteresting exceptional individual movies with dogshit writing and plots that make no sense.

Theoretically that shouldn't be the result of the gender of the character, but in cases like these it almost always is. A male character is expected face adversity and to grow because of it. A female character isn't expected to grow, because they should be "enough" as they already are. That means that for a female character adversity is less of a generative force, less constructive in a way. Usually at best it can lead to them finding out who they really are deep down or who they were prevented from being for the entire time. That's in contrast to the male character usually becoming something else, with the old self being superseded.

None of this is a rule or anything, but it's a general explanation for the direction that writers usually take, and it's one that has its roots in the way the sexes are viewed in real life.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

So can we forget about all this shit and get on with a Revan movie now?

You know it's been a good night at the Farms when you wake up to this;

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I love the smell of Schadenfreude in the morning.... now to catch up on 30+ pages of spergery.

When I wake up to that many notifications I have a stroke because I assume either I accidentally pasted some weird midget clown porn link instead of a news article or I've been doxed or both.

The time when notification settings got defaulted to add one for every post made in a subscribed thread I about shit myself.

Apparently that would have been a better movie than this one, though.

 

[Ihavetinyweewee]

I would be fine with adoption, but the whole not married thing came off as Lucas being bitter about his own love life. Plus it resulted in the Jedi kidnapping kids to refill their ranks. Finally, since George insisted that the Force is genetic on some level, the Jedi Order is literally removing force sensitivity from the gene pool.

I don't think it needed to be for ideological reasons, but practical/narrative ones.

Luke had the entire responsibility of rebuilding the Jedi, a family would be(most likely) negleted. His students would be his legacy/children.

Plus, it gave (the tacked on)Leia being Skywalker, narrative weight...

 

[Shield Breaker]

I don't think it needed to be for ideological reasons, but practical/narrative ones.

Luke had the entire responsibility of rebuilding the Jedi, a family would be(most likely) negleted. His students would be his legacy/children.

Plus, it gave (the tacked on)Leia being Skywalker, narrative weight...

That would be fine, although having a neglected child who becomes a secondary villain that Luke later has to redeem would have been a nice book end to his story.

 

[ThePurpleProse]

For the record, how many agree that the problem wasn't inherently the idea of a female protagonist for the sequel trilogy, it was just done poorly?

For a third trilogy a female protagonist was a good idea just to differentiate it from the prior two trilogies if nothing else, the trouble is they forgot to make Rey an actual character.

Agree too, I really didn't care the gender, I'm a huge fucking fan of Aliens, to me the best fight is Ripley vs the alien queen going full mama bear, Rey on the other hand can't stand watching her fucking titless face anymore.

But also with current rampant insanity every time I see a female nigger on a movie poster all I can think of is "here we go again" and that lower any desire to watch said movie, I'll probably miss some gem because of that I'm sure of it.

But, in hindsight, I think Finn would have made for a better protagonist than Rey. Boyega is a better actor than Ridley. Plus, the idea of a defecting force sensitive stormtrooper with no past/name, inherenting the Skywalker legacy sounds pretty great.

When TFA came out I thought they were going for an ex storm trooper turn into jedi and that was great, the idea fade away few minutes after that because this motherfucking hacks can't write to save their lives.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

So since Star Wars is about to go bust now, I really worried what more damage Disney will do to Indiana Jones.