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did he backpedel into a lake about the last jedi, cause jesus that is a hard shift
Wendy_Carter said:
I checked 10 pages back or so, and it wasn't mentioned, so I hope I'm not too late: Fortnite is now part of Star Wars canon.

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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker opening crawl mentions an event that happened exclusively in Fortnite

It turns out the Fortnite Star Wars event contained a massive Rise of Skywalker spoiler this entire time
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“Gonna try not to spoil anything: The in-game event's dialogue transmission is what kicks off the beginning of the movie.”
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Does this mean the default dance is Jizz music in star wars canon?
 
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Dom Cruise said:
For the record, how many agree that the problem wasn't inherently the idea of a female protagonist for the sequel trilogy, it was just done poorly?
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Why not both?
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It's really hard to write female lead characters *in action movies* who are both relatable and have a satisfying character arc.

Yes, Ripley was great in the first two Alien movies, Sarah Connor was excellent as a scared waitress turned heavily armed survivalist lady in the first two Terminator films. These exceptions don't disprove the rule.

Why is it a rule? Because we're a sexually dimorphic species that hates women doesn't generally like seeing the smaller, weaker and more biologically valuable half of our species put in danger.

The hero's journey is nearly always a male hero's journey, because the sort of heroism fantasy exists to mythologize is masculine.

Who goes downstairs with a flashlight when there's a bump in the night? It's probably not the wife, is it? Unless divorce is on the cards.

Who fantasizes about fighting dragons or space wizards or aliens or whatever to save/win attractive royalty of the opposite sex? Not so much girls, amirite?

It's hard to adapt the heroic protagonist template to women, because it's not really made for them. In real life, women are rarely *physically* heroic, for good biological reasons. If they were, we probably wouldn't have survived as a species.

(It's interesting that the most successful badass incarnations of both Ripley and Connor were motivated by maternal instinct - mama bear defending her cubs is a relatable and emotionally satisfying reason for feminine fierceness)

In recent years we've seen quite a lot of Whedonian wisecracking, buttkicking waifs. I don't mean to be unkind to male fans of Buffy or whatever, but they seem a little soy-y. It's a masturbatory fantasy with relatively narrow appeal - mainly to socially awkward nerds. Mila Jojovich has made about 58 Resident Evil movies and they seem quite successful, but that's a cultural niche.

Star Wars became a pop culture juggernaut because it used to tap into something much more mainstream and deeply rooted in the collective unconscious of normal human beings.

The young man who leaves his backwater village to seek his fortune and test his courage in a wider, more dangerous world is so ingrained in our historic experience as humans it might as well be encoded in our genetic memory. It's the story of every curious caveman who wanted to know what was beyond the mountains.

You can do a gender swap on that story if you like, just as you could flip the roles in a romance story and have a male lead pursued by two women. It's just a lot more difficult to do it well in a way that will satisfy a mass audience.
 
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So I'm probably late on this but it looks like that 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' isn't really doing so well in China. So when even in China, which is a really huge market for movies and when the film isn't doing so well over there either, then you know that this film is really going to sting Disney in the aftermath.
 
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Sexual Chocolate said:
Why is it a rule? Because we're a sexually dimorphic species that hates women doesn't generally like seeing the smaller, weaker and more biologically valuable half of our species put in danger.
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This, allegedly, is why Lara Croft exists. Originally Chesty Archaeologist Tomb Raider was going to have an Indiana Jones style male protagonist, however, early on in development they found that predominantly male players would feel bad about their protagonist falling onto spikes, getting squelched by blocks of stone, eaten by tigers, burnt alive, drowned, folded, spindled, or mutilated if the protagonist was a woman.

(Then someone in the marketing department went nuts with the boob slider and the rest is history.)
 
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School of Fish said:
So I'm probably late on this but it looks like that 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' isn't really doing so well in China. So when even in China, which is a really huge market for movies and when the film isn't doing so well over there either, then you know that this film is really going to sting Disney in the aftermath.
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Doesn't really matter. It'll still make a billion dollars domestically. The days when a movie had to be good to make money are long past. Now it's all about brand recognition. Nothing more.
 
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Here's a fun little image showing the money made by each of the last 3 star wars movies in the month of december. As you can see TLJ was $140M off from TFA. The key that we will have to wait for is what this movie does over the weekend and then through december. If this movie fails to do even Rogue One numbers it's a failure of monumental levels. If Frozen2 does better than TROS (I doubt it) shareholders will demand heads as the are expecting more than TLJ numbers here. Forecasts have put the movie down to $175M which, if that's all it makes this weekend, will barely cover the production costs.

Watching this puppy loses one engine, then the other, is glorious to see, only if the weekend numbers are 75% of TLJ or less than can I get the marshmallows ready for the nose dive of the flaming X-Wing right into Rey's Sand Dune Mud Hut.
 
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I just watched the leaked movie with a terrible Pinata-ad trying to peddle some gambling shit popping up every now and then and you know what?
The movie feels like the dude who spliced together the clips was on speed. The pacing is shit, utter shit. The story structure is even worse. There's so much exposition pushed into clunky dialogue and you never get a moment to breathe in the atmosphere.

But you know what's weird? I can't even remember what is going on in the movie half the time. It leaves almost no impression aside from the break-neck-speed of progressing from one shitty scene to the next and how badly everything adds up.

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LOL at everybody who spent money to watch this.

School of Fish said:
So I'm probably late on this but it looks like that 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' isn't really doing so well in China. So when even in China, which is a really huge market for movies and when the film isn't doing so well over there either, then you know that this film is really going to sting Disney in the aftermath.
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Star Wars isn't popular in China and TLJ already bombed hard.
 
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So I had a thought experiment. What is the best possible origin of Rey's power?
1. The JJ option of having her be Palpatine's grand daughter(or related to another character) just makes the force be some ubermensch genetics rather than cosmic power. As well as making the force a flat out superpower that doesn't need training. Weird how nepotism is JJ's logical idea of having power....
2. The Ruin option of just being some golden child of some nobody is honestly the best idea, but it just makes the whole setup of the previous film feel pointless and it's a retread of Anakin's origin (if you discount the fan theories), so no points for subversion.
3. Originally (as in before TLJ) I thought about the idea of Rey being some empire assassin that was trained from childhood and was discarded/hidden after it collapsed. While it could be cool in theory (and might make Rey have an actual connection to Finn and reason of seeking out the original cast), it doesn't lead anywhere, doesn't make sense why she is in not-tatooine and only exists to explain her being a mary sue with no personality rather than being an organic plot point.

There might be better explanations but they'll fall into the variations of those three.

Also in general, Rey's obsession with her parents always looked weird for me. I can understand a 12-14 year old child having an idea they'll come back, but an 18 year old? A regular person that age would have outright hated them for abandoning them for a hard life.
 
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BrunoMattei said:
Could the Chinese hate SW because of The Force and their inherint atheism? Or could it be a bland female protagonist? Both?
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I heard the Chinese didn’t really care for that kiss between Rose and Finn in Episode VIII. Also, they probably don’t have much nostalgia for anything Star Wars, so it’s probably harder to get Chinese audiences to care about the franchise as much as the American audiences. If they really wanted to appeal to China, there should have been a mostly
Chinese cast in the new trilogy, along with basing the new trilogy off of Chinese legends and philosophy. That said, an idea like that might work for China, but it would probably alienate other audiences in return. It’s a finicky game, but that’s what you get when you care more about profit rather than a decent story that resonates with people.
 
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Sexual Chocolate said:
The hero's journey is nearly always a male hero's journey because the sort of heroism fantasy exists to mythologize is masculine.
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It's a very convincing theory and, I'm not saying I disagree, but how would you explain shows like Sailor Moon, or the entire magical girl genre? True, they have a lot of male fans, but they were designed for women in mind, and they have huge female fanbases.

Winx club has been on the air for years now, it makes a lot of money given it's basically a toy commercial, and it's a show about women using magic to fight villains.
 
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Pixy Misa said:
It's a very convincing theory and, I'm not saying I disagree, but how would you explain shows like Sailor Moon, or the entire magical girl genre? True, they have a lot of male fans, but they were designed for women in mind, and they have huge male fanbases.

Winx club makes a lot of money given it's basically a toy commercial, and it's basically a show about women using magic to fight magical villains.
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It's a universal concept that people regardless of gender resonate with well written relatable badass characters.
 
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