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[2021Murder]

‘Star Wars: Rise Of Skywalker’ Lowers Lightsaber To $177M+, Still 3rd Best December Opening – Monday AM Update

Monday AM Update: Disney hasn’t reported its final figure yet, but industry estimates show a Sunday of $40.25M for Disney’s Rise of Skywalker, -15% from Sunday’s $47.5M for an ope…

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They're down to 179 million for the weekend and we got another day left. So what do people here think it will gross in total domestic and internationally? I'm thinking less than Joker on both fronts

 

[Smug Chuckler]

ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT COPY

 

[TheMysteriousAHole]

I pretty much expected this to happen after they were through with their shitty 2022 trilogy (they gotta find new ways to tard cum this shit), but considering how polarizing the current trilogy is, I have to wonder if they will just cancel the 2022 trilogy or revamp it into a horrible OT remake to try and salvage their mess. Also yeah it would be nice if Disney shit could get retconned, but I just don't see it happening, at least not without retconning even the OT and also without Rian, JJ and all those involved with the films throwing a massive hissy-fit and possibly getting all legal about it like a bunch of greedy pricks.

Yeah, I don't see these Disney films getting retconned anytime soon either. However, and I'm not a legal expert here so keep in mind, none of the people involved in these films have any foot to stand on to get legal about anything if these films were retconned out of existence. All of this belongs to Disney. It doesn't belong to J.J., Rian Johnson, Kennedy, or anyone else. They're work for hire. If Disney wanted to retcon them out of existence, they have the legal right to do so and no one can do anything about that.

That's also the way it is with the Marvel and DC Universe as well. To use a sorta tangential example: Ethan Van Sciver. If DC decided that they no longer wanted to use the Blue Lantern Corps and then retconned them out of existence and never used the characters again then that's their right. Ethan couldn't do shit about it.

As for the future of this franchise, I'm suspecting it's going to be largely live-action series for the time being. I don't know if they'll be doing another movie anytime soon after seeing the situation surrounding this one.

‘Star Wars: Rise Of Skywalker’ Lowers Lightsaber To $177M+, Still 3rd Best December Opening – Monday AM Update

Monday AM Update: Disney hasn’t reported its final figure yet, but industry estimates show a Sunday of $40.25M for Disney’s Rise of Skywalker, -15% from Sunday’s $47.5M for an ope…

deadline.com

They're down to 179 million for the weekend and we got another day left. So what do people here think it will gross in total domestic and internationally? I'm thinking less than Joker on both fronts

I didn't mention this late last night but I stumbled across a box office forum dedicated to this shit (didn't know those existed until now) and they had gotten in the Saturday numbers and were predicting a $175M take for the end of this weekend. Anything below $185 IMHO is egg on Disney's face.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

A well-made movie about the day-to-day lives of people in the Empire before the Galactic Civil War could kick ass.
Something that starts out in a way to make the viewer go "Hey, life in the Empire is nicer than expected" and then it slowly escalates until you realize what a 1984-esque society it truly is, how people have no freedom... that could be pretty neat. From a subtle start to maybe eventually first kernels of a Rebellion starting to grow in secret.

It's obvious Disney could never pull it off with their current SJW-pandering structure. They'd most likely make a story about poor brown people suffering on some Planet under Grand Moff Tòr'Ump, who wants to built a space-wall and sends children into detainment centres to have them killed at the hands of his evil goons recruited from steel-mill- and coal-mine-workers and supported by the Alt-Empire-Front or some shit.

As it is, Disney's attempts at describing life between Episodes 3 & 4 have proved to be underwhleming. Star Wars Rebels took place just before Episode 4 and turned into equal parts Clone Wars family reunion and the emasculation of Thrawn.

We also have the novel Star Wars: Ahsoka that takes place about a year after Order 66 that implies that what should have been a very rudimentary form of the rebellion is far more organized by Bail Organa than it should be at this point.

Still, a competent writer and crew could probably come up with something you described and do so more plausibly.

3. Leia dying offscreen. I know that they had to work around Carrie Fisher being actually dead, but having her do the deed offscreen kills any emotional attachment to the character. What cop-out way to handle the situation.

Heck, they could have had a random extra covered by a white sheet and had some random medical person say something such as, "We don't know what happened. This was so unexpected." with a response along the lines of, "Leia's knowledge and expertise will be missed at a time where we need it most."

There, we have something better to make it clear Leia is dead and the timing is so less than ideal that an emotional response now seems natural.

And all the pictures and talk about Toilet Man is wow . That's the kind of character I'd expect from young kids trying to outdo each other in silliness. Are gay male fans even aware, and accepting, of Toilet Man given how he reeks of negative stereotyping and the implication that both he and his gay lover are less than human by virtue of their cybernetic mutilation enhancements?

 

[ln18]

The blank check podcast is bizarre. "We hate this Star Wars movie but respectably not in the bad way those losers hated that other Star Wars movie, that was a kids movie that was way deep and profound man." Coping TLJ shills.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Yeah, I don't see these Disney films getting retconned anytime soon either. However, and I'm not a legal expert here so keep in mind, none of the people involved in these films have any foot to stand on to get legal about anything if these films were retconned out of existence. All of this belongs to Disney. It doesn't belong to J.J., Rian Johnson, Kennedy, or anyone else. They're work for hire. If Disney wanted to retcon them out of existence, they have the legal right to do so and no one can do anything about that.

That's also the way it is with the Marvel and DC Universe as well. To use a sorta tangential example: Ethan Van Sciver. If DC decided that they no longer wanted to use the Blue Lantern Corps and then retconned them out of existence and never used the characters again then that's their right. Ethan couldn't do shit about it.

As for the future of this franchise, I'm suspecting it's going to be largely live-action series for the time being. I don't know if they'll be doing another movie anytime soon after seeing the situation surrounding this one.



I didn't mention this late last night but I stumbled across a box office forum dedicated to this shit (didn't know those existed until now) and they had gotten in the Saturday numbers and were predicting a $175M take for the end of this weekend. Anything below $185 IMHO is egg on Disney's face.

I think if Disney is going to make future Star Wars films I think they are going to stay far from the ST and probably wait a year or two.

 

[Creep3r]

His name's actually Bog?

Oh my yes. Its like a character that was created at /tv/ to make fun of Disney but its actually 100% Disney approved. Mr. Bog should now honestly be the new face and mascot of Disney Wars (but disregard the fact that he doesn't have a face). He truly embodies Disney Wars to a tee.

 

[Liquid Kent]

And all the pictures and talk about Toilet Man is wow . That's the kind of character I'd expect from young kids trying to outdo each other in silliness. Are gay male fans even aware, and accepting, of Toilet Man given how he reeks of negative stereotyping and the implication that both he and his gay lover are less than human by virtue of their cybernetic mutilation enhancements?

Tbh, I was one of those kids in grade school that created a character that rode around in a toilet on tank treads and a turret. Creatively, it was named the Toilet Tank. (TM)

Needless to say, one of my classmates was so enamored with the concept and the humor that I remember he actually made a theme song for the silly characters I drew.

jesus.

 

[Gehenna]

I think if Disney is going to make future Star Wars films I think they are going to stay far from the ST and probably wait a year or two.

Waiting is a given, Iger has said as much.

I am the odd man out it seems in thinking this will probably be rendered non-canon. Now follow me with this, cause this is isn't me being it is based on cold, hard facts.

The spider-man movies.

Two separate Terminator attempts (And probably the last one too)

X-men

What do these all have in common? Well, when they under performed, or outright bombed, the studios that made them simply ignored the prior movies and made new ones. In most cases, there was no statement that "The prior films were not canon" it was just "We have a new movie out that tell this story" with that story being the same one told in the prior ones, or were stories that could not possibly exist in the same world. This is how big studios render film fuck ups non canon and the above are the EXTREME examples. The lesser gradient is altering out specific details, or simply ignoring those details outright.

While I would not rule out the possibility of Disney outright saying this is non canon in the future, I find it more probable if not almost a certainty that they will soft-decanonize them. They'll announce some new movies that "Seek to tell another story in the infinite possibilities" or some such PR bullshit, will release some books or comics that fill in the new canon, and will earnestly pretend that these ones never occurred.

They don't admit fucking up, they don't even acknowledge that it is a new canon (I'd expect the Actors to even get some nice Non-Disparage Agreement Clauses requiring them to play along), the Mouse will tighten its grip and will continue on. It is, after all, their only option that allows them to both save face and to continue to make money off a very expensive IP.

 

[HandsomeDan]

Its weird right? Its like that gay toilet bounty hunter I posted about before. The guy's a walking gay joke yet Disney treats it as absolutely serious. Even old Star Wars at its worst could only produce goofy shit for kids, like Jar Jar and a crying rock, but with Disney we get... whatever the hell this is.
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I would laugh if all if this wasnt so horrifyingly true...

 

[simulated goat]

I don’t get this new Hollywood aversion to good looking people. They could have made Rey look better, but they’ve given her the most unflattering hairstyles and boring outfits. Also, like you said, the actress for Rose Tico is very pretty, but they made her look super frumpy in TLJ. What is wrong with being feminine exactly? Does the new management think you can only have a “strong female protagonist” if you takes away her feminine qualities? Leia and Padme were both very feminine characters that also managed to fight for themselves. I hope this trend dies soon.

Another quick seventies sperg but the seventies cinema that spawned StarWars did a pretty good job with that balancing act between ability and looks in actresses. There are some great idiosyncratic actresses that came out of that, women who were not absolute beauties but had chops and enough palpable charisma to grab attention anywhere. Carrie Fisher, but also Sissy Spacek, Jessica Harper, Sigourney Weaver... This has of course faded and the latest crop all look pressed from the same plastic surgeon's mold. The only way to try to bring them to earth is dressing them dowdy and smearing some burnt cork on once in awhile and even then they still can't act for sour owl piss. There are some exceptions, but too many movies are being ruined by crappy casting these days. I too hope the trend dies. Perhaps they can start hiring actresses that have talent again, dress them however you want, they'll still shine.

 

[HandsomeDan]

As it is, Disney's attempts at describing life between Episodes 3 & 4 have proved to be underwhleming. Star Wars Rebels took place just before Episode 4 and turned into equal parts Clone Wars family reunion and the emasculation of Thrawn.

We also have the novel Star Wars: Ahsoka that takes place about a year after Order 66 that implies that what should have been a very rudimentary form of the rebellion is far more organized by Bail Organa than it should be at this point.

Still, a competent writer and crew could probably come up with something you described and do so more plausibly.


Heck, they could have had a random extra covered by a white sheet and had some random medical person say something such as, "We don't know what happened. This was so unexpected." with a response along the lines of, "Leia's knowledge and expertise will be missed at a time where we need it most."

There, we have something better to make it clear Leia is dead and the timing is so less than ideal that an emotional response now seems natural.

And all the pictures and talk about Toilet Man is wow . That's the kind of character I'd expect from young kids trying to outdo each other in silliness. Are gay male fans even aware, and accepting, of Toilet Man given how he reeks of negative stereotyping and the implication that both he and his gay lover are less than human by virtue of their cybernetic mutilation enhancements?

Since they blew the oppertunity in TLJ, they should have had Leia die in this film during the big space battle when her flagship is destroyed by the emperors magic lightning and have the entire fleet in panic and despair over it. It could also serve to have Ben attack the emperor in a rage over killing his mother. This could have worked.

 

[Chester Rigby]

Now that I think about it... Yeah, where the fuck is Matt Smith's character?

 

[Creep3r]

Looks like even Wookieepedo isn't being nice on this movie:

Star Wars: Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker

Star Wars: Episode IX The Rise of Skywalker, marketed as Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, is a 2019 film directed by J.J. Abrams from a script by Abrams and Chris Terrio. It is the third and final film in the Star Wars sequel trilogy. The film, produced by Lucasfilm president Kathleen Kennedy...

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Every day the continuity discrepancies this movie has with the rest of Disney canon seems to be growing. Kinda surprising since Wookieepedia has been doing nothing but sucking mouse dick. And apparently it looks like Poe's entire history in Disney canon has been completely nuked by IX.

Not even TLJ had a section of inconsistencies that big.

Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi

Star Wars: Episode VIII The Last Jedi, marketed as Star Wars: The Last Jedi, is a 2017 film written and directed by Rian Johnson and produced by Kathleen Kennedy and Ram Bergman, along with executive producer J.J. Abrams. It is the second film in the Star Wars sequel trilogy. The film sees the...

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And IX's is still growing while TLJ's hasn't had any issues aside from retconning Rey and Poe's first meeting.

Also according to this, nu-R2 having a backup of nu-3PO's memory comes from a lego game. This is probably the 30th time Disney implies their lego stuff is part of their nu-canon.

Now that I think about it... Yeah, where the fuck is Matt Smith's character?

Wait, so Matt Smith was going to be the Son of Mortis? And Snoke was probably going to be his homonculus? And this was conceived by George? Honestly, that sounds more creative than anything conceived by JJ and the marketing team for this trainwreck. Movie would've still been a mess, but at least it would have more thought put into it than what JJ shat out and its something fans would actually like, although it would still be a mess in terms of narrative. The only way this would not have been a mess is if they had taken George and Arndt's ideas from the start instead of tossing them away for JJ and Kasdan's shit in TFA.

 

[Tsusaba109]

‘Star Wars: Rise Of Skywalker’ Lowers Lightsaber To $177M+, Still 3rd Best December Opening – Monday AM Update

Monday AM Update: Disney hasn’t reported its final figure yet, but industry estimates show a Sunday of $40.25M for Disney’s Rise of Skywalker, -15% from Sunday’s $47.5M for an ope…

deadline.com

They're down to 179 million for the weekend and we got another day left. So what do people here think it will gross in total domestic and internationally? I'm thinking less than Joker on both fronts

it's 175.5 now and it can go a bit lower still. Just look at articles the last week or two

ROTS set to break records at 220 million
ROTS soars to 190 million, vindicated Kennedy
ROTS turbocharges to 175 million

Has a low chance of not passing a billion and a decent chance of not passing the Joker. Anyone else would be fired but firing Kennedy has really bad optics especially for how much MSM shilled her. For example Whedon messed up with Age of Ultron just a little bit and he's never worked on marvel since. Kennedy keeps messing up so much yet she's still in charge

 

[Creep3r]

it's 175.5 now and it can go a bit lower still. Just look at articles the last week or two

ROTS set to break records at 220 million
ROTS soars to 190 million, vindicated Kennedy
ROTS turbocharges to 175 million

Has a low chance of not passing a billion and a decent chance of not passing the Joker. Anyone else would be fired but firing Kennedy has really bad optics especially for how much MSM shilled her. For example Whedon messed up with Age of Ultron just a little bit and he's never worked on marvel since. Kennedy keeps messing up so much yet she's still in charge

I remember someone mentioning before that firing Kennedy could not only lead to a lot of drama but maybe even a dip in stocks and problems with investors, and maybe Spielberg himself. Does anyone here have a good grasp of the potential drama that would unfold if they actually had the guts to take care of Kennedy?

 

[verissimus]

I remember someone mentioning before that firing Kennedy could not only lead to a lot of drama but maybe even a dip in stocks and problems with investors, and maybe Spielberg himself. Does anyone here have a good grasp of the potential drama that would unfold if they actually had the guts to take care of Kennedy?

I call complete bs on that. How could it be "damaging" to have fired KK after Solo or right now? How could it be any worse than KK firing Lord and Miller when they were almost done making Solo themselves or her firing Colin Trevorrow and ask JJ to come back? How does she get away with clearly making bad decisions but Iger can't fire the twit because "current year" (even though another female Disney executive responsible for the rides or parks was fired not that long ago)? It's bullcrap, and I refuse to believe she has enough friends in the media to come to her defense, at least not anymore (to be honest I think JJ probably has more friends in the media then she does). The only drama I could see is that if KK goes, then all the yes-men and women she employed may go with her which as far as I'm concerned would be a good thing overall since they were clearly part of the problem in the first place though it might not look so great for the media that the "all female" story group were fired/quit because KK was thrown under the bus.

 

[Gehenna]

I remember someone mentioning before that firing Kennedy could not only lead to a lot of drama but maybe even a dip in stocks and problems with investors, and maybe Spielberg himself. Does anyone here have a good grasp of the potential drama that would unfold if they actually had the guts to take care of Kennedy?

I can.

If they just shitcanned her outright, there would be a furor. She is one of the few female high level executives and the rabid defending of her post-TLJ makes removing her outright... problematic. Expect a very large, very vocal backlash from the left.This, hot on the heels of a major under-performer, would cause investor flight which would severely damage the brand.

This being said, she is getting shitcanned. It'll just be quiet. She'll be pressured to resign, probably with some flowery language about how now that the trilogy is wrapped up she feels she is no longer needed to steward Lucas' vision or some shit. If she refuses, which is possible, she'll be bumped to a role far away from movie production, professional siberia effectively.

 

[Toast Sandwich]

The blank check podcast is bizarre. "We hate this Star Wars movie but respectably not in the bad way those losers hated that other Star Wars movie, that was a kids movie that was way deep and profound man." Coping TLJ shills.

These are the type of people who struggle to grow beyond Harry Potter but will still call others manbabies. When you take that into account it makes a lot more sense.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Tbh, I was one of those kids in grade school that created a character that rode around in a toilet on tank treads and a turret. Creatively, it was named the Toilet Tank. (TM)

Needless to say, one of my classmates was so enamored with the concept and the humor that I remember he actually made a theme song for the silly characters I drew.

jesus.

When the original Ghostbusters first came out, the neighborhood kids tried to come up with our silliest parody of the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man. Our youthful collaboration resulted in the idea of a ghostly sentient toilet (simply named "toilet man") that spoke by flapping its lid open and shut and attacked foes with "bowl breath."

Mr. Bog should now honestly be the new face and mascot of Disney Wars (but disregard the fact that he doesn't have a face). He truly embodies Disney Wars to a tee.

I think I agree with you, @GeneralFriendliness. Disney has certainly done their part to send Star Wars down the crapper, so Caysin Bog (the GFFA's Toilet Man) certainly embodies the present state of Disney Wars.