Furry Fandom and Drama General

[Sneed's Feed And Seed]

[Furaffinity banning cub and Sonic art] is a pretty bad example because [FA] was hard evidence proving the fact that the containment board theory works. When [FA] went down it's userbase moved to [Inkbunny] and the like, before shitting it up with the same bad ideas and [FA] memes that worked over there. I've heard various people in different parts of the web say that [Inkbunny] got much worse over the last year because of [FA]'s audience moving over.

Plus the furry fandom is decentralized and furry porn is not going to vanish overnight at all. The best that can happen is that the furry fandom becomes out of style with the younger generation.

ftfy

 

[CIA Nigger]

I'm more curious where the majority of artists and all would go hypothetically, back to furaffinity or newgrounds? Both don't have as many eyes on them as twitter. I can imagine there being a lot of salty nsfw artists furries if they get kicked off twitter in the future.

I have no doubts that Twitter will one day block or crack down on NSFW content and so do those with ties to the fandom and other Twitter smut producers. A Gizmodo article compared Twitter's creeping rules against NSFW content to Tumblr's before the eventual ban.

Tumblr, for one, implemented a similar “explicit” account designation in 2017 so that pages wouldn’t show up when browsing via an opt-in “safe mode.” Then it made “safe mode” the default, then it banned adult content outright. Users could elect to label their posts as “sensitive” or their whole accounts as “explicit” before moderators did it for them.

“[The explicit account tag] ended up just being a way for Tumblr’s algorithm to more easily find sex workers and erotic artists and shut down their blogs without warning,” Loup said. “All of my friends lost their Tumblrs, which could have thousands or tens of thousands of followers and allowed them to monetize their work as independent creators.”

At one time Twitter declared themselves the free speech wing of the free speech party, now Twitter is known for being one of the most restrictive social networks. The same could very well happen to Twitter and porn if Tumblr is anything to go by.

As for the alternatives, it's a complex situation. FurAffinity is the logical choice when it comes to where many artists will move to, but that site has issues of it's own. Quite a few uploads aren't tagged, some artists jumped ship for social media sites before the porn ban fears were common, the site's code is broken, and the management is poor. Newgrounds has an "old web 1.0 site" reputation and a more insular community and while artists use it I don't see a lot of people going to it. Inkbunny is like the Bitchute of art sites, hosting cub art and dividing potential users because of that. e621 is a booru type site and is popular because of how everything is tagged. It also has a long and controversial DNP list. Artists end up on the DNP list either to "take a stand" against parent company Bad Dragon, because they got a Kiwi Farms thread, because they got downvoted, or to whine that someone misgendered their character. Pixiv is mainly Asia oriented and mostly gets views in the West from weebs.

As for non-NSFW and social network type sites, the situation is pretty bad there as well. There's DeviantArt, which disallows porn even with the NSFW option. It's new layout is terrible and traffic has been declining. DeviantArt also is one of the longest running jokes on the internet, being a common place for wannabe trolls and YouTubers to find bad artists to make fun of. ArtStation also bans NSFW content and tries to orient itself towards professional artists, just like Vimeo. Pillowfort wants to be a Tumblr clone but it charges $5 to register, and doesn't really have people using it. Then there's Mastodon and other fediverse instances (Pleroma comes to mind as the most popular one that's not Mastodon), but those have issues from instances blocking each other to having a userbase that happens to be even worse than Twitter. Good luck getting exposure if some popular instances blocked your instance.

All of these sites have one thing in common. Artists don't get exposure from these sites. Furries using mainstream social media sites happened to be the greatest recruitment tool the fandom had, but once that's gone they're back to where they were years ago. Sure, apps like PostyBirb help an artist dump their content to dozens of art sites at once but does that mean much when nobody is going to these other sites? Even if someone starts up their own DeviantArt clone, setting up a site like that requires the owner have multiple skills including programming knowledge, how to run a site like that, and how to attract users. It's telling that the only non-FurAffinity furry art site that's popular is one that caters to a very specific demographic kicked out of FurAffinity.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

I have no doubts that Twitter will one day block or crack down on NSFW content and so do those with ties to the fandom and other Twitter smut producers. A Gizmodo article compared Twitter's creeping rules against NSFW content to Tumblr's before the eventual ban.



At one time Twitter declared themselves the free speech wing of the free speech party, now Twitter is known for being one of the most restrictive social networks. The same could very well happen to Twitter and porn if Tumblr is anything to go by.

As for the alternatives, it's a complex situation. FurAffinity is the logical choice when it comes to where many artists will move to, but that site has issues of it's own. Quite a few uploads aren't tagged, some artists jumped ship for social media sites before the porn ban fears were common, the site's code is broken, and the management is poor. Newgrounds has an "old web 1.0 site" reputation and a more insular community and while artists use it I don't see a lot of people going to it. Inkbunny is like the Bitchute of art sites, hosting cub art and dividing potential users because of that. e621 is a booru type site and is popular because of how everything is tagged. It also has a long and controversial DNP list. Artists end up on the DNP list either to "take a stand" against parent company Bad Dragon, because they got a Kiwi Farms thread, because they got downvoted, or to whine that someone misgendered their character. Pixiv is mainly Asia oriented and mostly gets views in the West from weebs.

As for non-NSFW and social network type sites, the situation is pretty bad there as well. There's DeviantArt, which disallows porn even with the NSFW option. It's new layout is terrible and traffic has been declining. DeviantArt also is one of the longest running jokes on the internet, being a common place for wannabe trolls and YouTubers to find bad artists to make fun of. ArtStation also bans NSFW content and tries to orient itself towards professional artists, just like Vimeo. Pillowfort wants to be a Tumblr clone but it charges $5 to register, and doesn't really have people using it. Then there's Mastodon and other fediverse instances (Pleroma comes to mind as the most popular one that's not Mastodon), but those have issues from instances blocking each other to having a userbase that happens to be even worse than Twitter. Good luck getting exposure if some popular instances blocked your instance.

All of these sites have one thing in common. Artists don't get exposure from these sites. Furries using mainstream social media sites happened to be the greatest recruitment tool the fandom had, but once that's gone they're back to where they were years ago. Sure, apps like PostyBirb help an artist dump their content to dozens of art sites at once but does that mean much when nobody is going to these other sites? Even if someone starts up their own DeviantArt clone, setting up a site like that requires the owner have multiple skills including programming knowledge, how to run a site like that, and how to attract users. It's telling that the only non-FurAffinity furry art site that's popular is one that caters to a very specific demographic kicked out of FurAffinity.

FurryNetwork had the backing of Varka from BadDragon and once supported cubart on free speech grounds, but Varka later relented to a ban.
SoFurry was once YiffStar who later turned into a more SFW furry website.
Weasyl is a furry website that later tried to be a more generic artist website.
There is also Furiffic, but I do not know more about that.
None of the above are that active, from what I have seen.

 

[Great Dane]

According to @PUPCRN, e621 users don't like images featuring the words 'trans rights', going on to claim that trans people are known as "only a fetish" on e621.

boofers for bernie on Twitter

“love how there's hundreds of trans porn pieces on e621 but the second anyone even mentions the word trans outside of porn it's immediately vote bombed and hated on good to know trans people are only a fetish on that site”

twitter.com

http://archive.md/qLgLu

 

[SüßerSchwadron]

Tumblr going down is a pretty bad example because Tumblr was hard evidence proving the fact that the containment board theory works. When Tumblr went down it's userbase moved to Twitter and the like, before shitting it up with the same bad ideas and Tumblr memes that worked over there. I've heard various people in different parts of the web say that Twitter got much worse over the last year because of Tumblr's audience moving over.

Plus the furry fandom is decentralized and furry porn is not going to vanish overnight at all. The best that can happen is that the furry fandom becomes out of style with the younger generation.

Wasn't Twitter always that terrible? I can remember that around 2015-2016 Twitter did a crackdown on political speech that has increased the population of NB snowflakes

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Wasn't Twitter always that terrible? I can remember that around 2015-2016 Twitter did a crackdown on political speech that has increased the population of NB snowflakes

....and before that, Justin Beiber was persistently the highest trending tag.

 

[Kane Lives]

According to @PUPCRN, e621 users don't like images featuring the words 'trans rights', going on to claim that trans people are known as "only a fetish" on e621.
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boofers for bernie on Twitter

“love how there's hundreds of trans porn pieces on e621 but the second anyone even mentions the word trans outside of porn it's immediately vote bombed and hated on good to know trans people are only a fetish on that site”

twitter.com

http://archive.md/qLgLu

Xer isn't wrong. e621 users might be basic bitch furries, but they're the one who also relentlessly mocked Jasonafex and co out of the site. I'm not surprised they simply don't want troon drama on the site. Lord knows they already have enough shit on their plate with the DNP lists and clear admin favouritism.

 

[A.Shitposter]

Twitter has always been shit, it's just that currently the "In" thing is to interject politics into every facet of your fucking life and the death of Tumblr means more people are using Twitter.

 

[CIA Nigger]

According to @PUPCRN, e621 users don't like images featuring the words 'trans rights', going on to claim that trans people are known as "only a fetish" on e621.
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boofers for bernie on Twitter

“love how there's hundreds of trans porn pieces on e621 but the second anyone even mentions the word trans outside of porn it's immediately vote bombed and hated on good to know trans people are only a fetish on that site”

twitter.com

http://archive.md/qLgLu

For the last few months/year there's been a retarded fight between Twitter trannies and the bigots at e621 and it's interesting to talk about. See, e621 is a porn site and it has this tag what you see rule. The problem is that troons in the fandom have a different idea of gender than e621's bigoted tag what you see rule. While e621 aliases tags and comes up with new terms in order to try to get troons to shut the hell up about dickgirl being a slur, that doesn't always work.

Case in point, this flamewar on an image I'm about to show you that caused an e621 mod response, and the furry who paid for this image getting mad about the tags. On e621, tag what you see is the rule, and on Twitter it isn't. Here's the original image on Twitter, and I'm going to spoiler this because it's furry porn but the smaller character has she/her pronouns.

Spoiler

There are two things that stick out about this image. The first is the undertones of the image with toys, a small character, and a big chubby "daddy" character. The second is that the smaller character is drawn male, but is referred to as "her" and female. On FurAffinity the image was also tagged as "multiple characters" for the gender. However e621 isn't about tagging images with "sexy" and similar shitposty things like on Furaffinity, but tags are crowdsourced with what's in the image itself. This is where the flamewar begins, when the image is uploaded to e621.

I'm going to break this down into several segments, so let's start with the posts that kicked it all off:


As usual at least one troon comments "trans rights", and some troons/allies brigade the post, including one furry lumping in the cub flamewar into all this.



More experienced users chimed in during this trashfire as well:


Eventually e621 staff have to put an end to this flamewar as it keeps shitting up their reporting box.


But meanwhile on Twitter, the furry who paid money for this picture started yelling into the void.

https://archive.md/9cD76

https://archive.md/l1jkM

The worst was yet to come however as the image was then tagged cub.

Patricia Taxxon🏳️‍⚧️🧦 on Twitter: "the tagging war is over, my comm…

archived 23 Dec 2019 03:11:00 UTC

archive.md

Around the same time someone else whined about this as well:

arcane dumbass on Twitter: "a reminder that e621 is actually a garbag…

archived 23 Dec 2019 03:22:28 UTC

archive.md

This highlights the disconnect between Twitter/former Tumblr furries and e621's userbase and staff. e621 rules are tag what you see, Twitter rules are "actually my fursona is female on all levels except physical, she/her pronouns please". This mess is never going to end for e621 and is only going to result in more troon artists blacklisting themselves from being seen and screeching on Twitter. It's also why the phrase trans rights gets downvoted on e621, while it gets a thousand retweets on Twitter. Twitter wants politics over porn, e621 wants porn over politics.

 

[TFT-A9]

This highlights the disconnect between Twitter/former Tumblr furries and e621's userbase and staff. e621 rules are tag what you see, Twitter rules are "actually my fursona is female on all levels except physical, she/her pronouns please". This mess is never going to end for e621 and is only going to result in more troon artists blacklisting themselves from being seen and screeching on Twitter. It's also why the phrase trans rights gets downvoted on e621, while it gets a thousand retweets on Twitter. Twitter wants politics over porn, e621 wants porn over politics.

From what I can see the rules are about as simple as they can be made and concessions have been made to the troons in the form of lore tagging and the gynomorph/andromorph tags and it's still not enough because there's clout to be chased and windmills to be tilted at.

Also, troons going DNP on e621, break some more hearts why don't you lol

 

[CIA Nigger]

From what I can see the rules are about as simple as they can be made and concessions have been made to the troons in the form of lore tagging and the gynomorph/andromorph tags and it's still not enough because there's clout to be chased and windmills to be tilted at.

Also, troons going DNP on e621, break some more hearts why don't you lol

The funniest thing is DNPing yourself from e621 is asking for people to not even care about your art. e621 is popular as an art site because furries can't fucking tag art themselves, because it doesn't discriminate against what it hosts for the most part (except for paysites and DNP content), and because there's no signups needed. Unless you're drawing some really niche content, furries will just jerk off to art from 30 other furry artists instead.

Of course, you can find DNP'd content and paysite content elsewhere if you know where to look, but someone looking for porn on e6 won't be able to find you. Suddenly there's fewer eyes on your content, especially since Tumblr is dead and Twitter has no tagging system.

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

For the last few months/year there's been a exceptional fight between Twitter trannies and the bigots at e621 and it's interesting to talk about. See, e621 is a porn site and it has this tag what you see rule. The problem is that troons in the fandom have a different idea of gender than e621's bigoted tag what you see rule. While e621 aliases tags and comes up with new terms in order to try to get troons to shut the hell up about dickgirl being a slur, that doesn't always work.

Case in point, this flamewar on an image I'm about to show you that caused an e621 mod response, and the furry who paid for this image getting mad about the tags. On e621, tag what you see is the rule, and on Twitter it isn't. Here's the original image on Twitter, and I'm going to spoiler this because it's furry porn but the smaller character has she/her pronouns.

Spoiler

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There are two things that stick out about this image. The first is the undertones of the image with toys, a small character, and a big chubby "daddy" character. The second is that the smaller character is drawn male, but is referred to as "her" and female. On FurAffinity the image was also tagged as "multiple characters" for the gender. However e621 isn't about tagging images with "sexy" and similar shitposty things like on Furaffinity, but tags are crowdsourced with what's in the image itself. This is where the flamewar begins, when the image is uploaded to e621.

I'm going to break this down into several segments, so let's start with the posts that kicked it all off:
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As usual at least one troon comments "trans rights", and some troons/allies brigade the post, including one furry lumping in the cub flamewar into all this.
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More experienced users chimed in during this trashfire as well:
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Eventually e621 staff have to put an end to this flamewar as it keeps shitting up their reporting box.
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But meanwhile on Twitter, the furry who paid money for this picture started yelling into the void.
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https://archive.md/9cD76

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https://archive.md/l1jkM

The worst was yet to come however as the image was then tagged cub.
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Patricia Taxxon🏳️‍⚧️🧦 on Twitter: "the tagging war is over, my comm…

archived 23 Dec 2019 03:11:00 UTC

archive.md

Around the same time someone else whined about this as well:
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arcane dumbass on Twitter: "a reminder that e621 is actually a garbag…

archived 23 Dec 2019 03:22:28 UTC

archive.md

This highlights the disconnect between Twitter/former Tumblr furries and e621's userbase and staff. e621 rules are tag what you see, Twitter rules are "actually my fursona is female on all levels except physical, she/her pronouns please". This mess is never going to end for e621 and is only going to result in more troon artists blacklisting themselves from being seen and screeching on Twitter. It's also why the phrase trans rights gets downvoted on e621, while it gets a thousand retweets on Twitter. Twitter wants politics over porn, e621 wants porn over politics.

...ye the biggest hing that stands out o me is that Patricia has an emotional support bear.

 

[TFT-A9]

Of course, you can find DNP'd content and paysite content elsewhere if you know where to look, but someone looking for porn on e6 won't be able to find you. Suddenly there's fewer eyes on your content, especially since Tumblr is dead and Twitter has no tagging system.

All the people who will eventually go DNP draw terrible art that no one will miss anyway. Tumblr holdovers who probably don't even meet quality standards half the time? Oh no, whatever will the furries do without more crappy CalArts-esque snowflake characters and style-clones of better artists than these yutzes?

Porn is post-scarcity and furry porn is not an exception.

 

[Just Another Furgag Alog]

For the last few months/year there's been a exceptional fight between Twitter trannies and the bigots at e621 and it's interesting to talk about. See, e621 is a porn site and it has this tag what you see rule. The problem is that troons in the fandom have a different idea of gender than e621's bigoted tag what you see rule. While e621 aliases tags and comes up with new terms in order to try to get troons to shut the hell up about dickgirl being a slur, that doesn't always work.

Case in point, this flamewar on an image I'm about to show you that caused an e621 mod response, and the furry who paid for this image getting mad about the tags. On e621, tag what you see is the rule, and on Twitter it isn't. Here's the original image on Twitter, and I'm going to spoiler this because it's furry porn but the smaller character has she/her pronouns.

Spoiler

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There are two things that stick out about this image. The first is the undertones of the image with toys, a small character, and a big chubby "daddy" character. The second is that the smaller character is drawn male, but is referred to as "her" and female. On FurAffinity the image was also tagged as "multiple characters" for the gender. However e621 isn't about tagging images with "sexy" and similar shitposty things like on Furaffinity, but tags are crowdsourced with what's in the image itself. This is where the flamewar begins, when the image is uploaded to e621.

I'm going to break this down into several segments, so let's start with the posts that kicked it all off:
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As usual at least one troon comments "trans rights", and some troons/allies brigade the post, including one furry lumping in the cub flamewar into all this.
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More experienced users chimed in during this trashfire as well:
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Eventually e621 staff have to put an end to this flamewar as it keeps shitting up their reporting box.
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But meanwhile on Twitter, the furry who paid money for this picture started yelling into the void.
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https://archive.md/9cD76

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https://archive.md/l1jkM

The worst was yet to come however as the image was then tagged cub.
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Patricia Taxxon🏳️‍⚧️🧦 on Twitter: "the tagging war is over, my comm…

archived 23 Dec 2019 03:11:00 UTC

archive.md

Around the same time someone else whined about this as well:
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arcane dumbass on Twitter: "a reminder that e621 is actually a garbag…

archived 23 Dec 2019 03:22:28 UTC

archive.md

This highlights the disconnect between Twitter/former Tumblr furries and e621's userbase and staff. e621 rules are tag what you see, Twitter rules are "actually my fursona is female on all levels except physical, she/her pronouns please". This mess is never going to end for e621 and is only going to result in more troon artists blacklisting themselves from being seen and screeching on Twitter. It's also why the phrase trans rights gets downvoted on e621, while it gets a thousand retweets on Twitter. Twitter wants politics over porn, e621 wants porn over politics.

I agree with whoever tagged it as cub. That's Zaush-style cubporn.

I thought e621's "tag what you see" rule had the caveat that if the source says otherwise, the source gets the final say, though?

 

[TFT-A9]

I thought e621's "tag what you see" rule had the caveat that if the source says otherwise, the source gets the final say, though?

That would defeat the whole purpose of TWYS and that's what loretagging is for.

 

[AnOminous]

This highlights the disconnect between Twitter/former Tumblr furries and e621's userbase and staff. e621 rules are tag what you see, Twitter rules are "actually my fursona is female on all levels except physical, she/her pronouns please". This mess is never going to end for e621 and is only going to result in more troon artists blacklisting themselves from being seen and screeching on Twitter. It's also why the phrase trans rights gets downvoted on e621, while it gets a thousand retweets on Twitter. Twitter wants politics over porn, e621 wants porn over politics.

The issue is pretty simple, just ban troon crazies who can't behave themselves. Or block them from doing whatever they're doing. If they don't like it tell them to join the 41%. e621 seriously doesn't have to care. At all.

 

[Cryogonal]

e621 seriously doesn't have to care. At all.

Who do you think is the main audience for Bad Dragon dildos?

 

[TheShaggMan]

Who do you think is the main audience for Bad Dragon dildos?

You mean bides troons?

 

[Fistbeard_McThunderaxe]

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What a silly statement. LGB is sexual orientation while trans is gender. The art in question is pushing a political narrative (trans rights) in a bid to alter mainstream media. It's pointless because 0.6 percent of the US is trans and even less than that will see furry stuff. LGB aren't pushing for *more* equality than others, unlike trans

Trans is leaving LGB behind, not the other way around.

 

[AnOminous]

Who do you think is the main audience for Bad Dragon dildos?

They'll buy them no matter what. They can tell them to go fuck themselves and then sell them the dildos to do it with.