Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[King Dead]

Rate me optimistic, but I'd go with 70% drop next week at the minimum. The most ticket sales were the diehard Disney fans and the people who couldn't wait to torrent. The only people left to see the film are the autists who will rewatch the film several times to show their allegiance.

I dunno, 70% dropoff might be a little optimistic. I think there's definitely going to be a pretty big drop (that's the nature of the biz these days, strongest in its opening week and then massive falloff), but we're also in Christmas week without much else coming out. If the family wants to go to the theater, it's either Jumanji 3 or Star Wars, and I'm guessing they're probably gonna go to Star Wars. There's that animated film Spies in Disguise that might take a small bite out of its take this week, but probably nothing major. And the only other new movies out this week are 1917 (R-rated war drama), Little Women (remade yet again), or Just Mercy (another drama).

My guess is somewhere between 50-60% dropoff in the domestic market myself. International will probably drop faster. As much as I want this to be conclusive proof that Disney has mismanaged Star Wars into an early grave, the current lack of releases around it is working in their favor. The fact its opening weekend did worse than TLJ is definitely a good start in this regard.

Fuck, I really hate that I've reached a point in my life where I'm actively rooting for a Star Wars movie to fail.

 

[Jaimas]

So for those of who who believe that now that this movie is basically a failure, the healing can begin, I'm afraid I have some bad news for you.

Say what you will about the prequel trilogy's failures, but when they happened, the other Writers involved with Star Wars knew enough to either ignore or sideline them. That won't be happeneing with the sequel trilogy. They are going to remind you that it happened and that it's canon now, and they are going to do everything to throw it in the face of every Star Wars fan. This level of contempt for their audience is clearly what drove them, as it was the entire impetus behind Episode VIII and seems to be the underwritten theme of the entire sequel trilogy.

What this means is that unlike previous cases where George's big fuck-ups were largely ignored by the rest of the setting, Disney is going to force those fuck-ups right into your face. There's going to be attempts to gain control of Mandalorian and force ST bullshit directly into it. There's going to be cases of the very idiots who fucked up the ST demanding to be put on other projects, and because the movie wasn't a complete failure (technically), they may very well succeed because the most responsible parties are largely protected from consequences.

Expect to see the ST forced in everywhere, infinitely more obnoxiously before, and the corresponding fluffpieces about how it didn't do as well as it should have because you were too stupid to embrace the glorious superior future.

 

[Azazel]

but we're also in Christmas week without much else coming out.

Yea the saving grace of this film financially will be the fact it's a holiday release, and it really has nothing else to compete with. Astonishingly it's not even the worst box office flop this month, with Cats becoming a movie so bad I think will horseshoe around to become something to watch ironically.
When I went to see TRoS on Saturday the theatre was pretty bare except for a handful of families with young kids in tow.

 

[Silent Observer]

You know what? Fuck RedLetterMedia and the Plinkett character.

They're dilettantes whose criticism of the prequels apply just as much, if not more so, to the Original Trilogy. All the while, they caked their "funny" reviews with a smug spicing of superficial film critiques and arbitrary criteria for what makes and doesn't make good stories. And the worst part is that every unoriginal critic parrots their reviews as if they're some sort of gospel.

But when the egg is on their face, they're quick to denounce or qualify their previous suggestions. "Oh," they say, "we never really thought Jar Jar was a perfect fit for Star Wars! Even though we said he was amazing for Star Trek!"

Thanks, RLM. You're part of the reason we're in the timeline where JJ ruined two classic Sci-fi films.

It's interesting you say this because they actually start off the review by addressing their past reviews and their effect on the public, and even how they mistakenly said JJ would be a good fit for SW in their ST reviews. It's obvious damage control, but, I'm going to continue listening, but they are actively riffing themselves, although it mainly seems for their criticism of the Abram's comment.

I dunno, 70% dropoff might be a little optimistic. I think there's definitely going to be a pretty big drop (that's the nature of the biz these days, strongest in its opening week and then massive falloff), but we're also in Christmas week without much else coming out. If the family wants to go to the theater, it's either Jumanji 3 or Star Wars, and I'm guessing they're probably gonna go to Star Wars. There's that animated film Spies in Disguise that might take a small bite out of its take this week, but probably nothing major. And the only other new movies out this week are 1917 (R-rated war drama), Little Women (remade yet again), or Just Mercy (another drama).

My guess is somewhere between 50-60% dropoff in the domestic market myself. International will probably drop faster. As much as I want this to be conclusive proof that Disney has mismanaged Star Wars into an early grave, the current lack of releases around it is working in their favor. The fact its opening weekend did worse than TLJ is definitely a good start in this regard.

Fuck, I really hate that I've reached a point in my life where I'm actively rooting for a Star Wars movie to fail.

My greatest hope is that SW fans will begin writing their own space opera fantasies or other fiction that can achieve the same amount of public appeal (and don't worry about making it woke; as we can see once again, that's just a magnet for brokeness)

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I don’t know, IX feels like it takes place a month after TLJ.

 

[Creep3r]

So for those of who who believe that now that this movie is basically a failure, the healing can begin, I'm afraid I have some bad news for you.

Say what you will about the prequel trilogy's failures, but when they happened, the other Writers involved with Star Wars knew enough to either ignore or sideline them. That won't be happeneing with the sequel trilogy. They are going to remind you that it happened and that it's canon now, and they are going to do everything to throw it in the face of every Star Wars fan. This level of contempt for their audience is clearly what drove them, as it was the entire impetus behind Episode VIII and seems to be the underwritten theme of the entire sequel trilogy.

What this means is that unlike previous cases where George's big fuck-ups were largely ignored by the rest of the setting, Disney is going to force those fuck-ups right into your face. There's going to be attempts to gain control of Mandalorian and force ST bullshit directly into it. There's going to be cases of the very idiots who fucked up the ST demanding to be put on other projects, and because the movie wasn't a complete failure (technically), they may very well succeed because the most responsible parties are largely protected from consequences.

Expect to see the ST forced in everywhere, infinitely more obnoxiously before, and the corresponding fluffpieces about how it didn't do as well as it should have because you were too stupid to embrace the glorious superior future.

Pretty much what I've been saying. Even if this movie were to somehow flop, Disney will never let you see this as a failure. They will even use Mandalorian to make sure you love their shit. The Dr. Aphra cartoon and Mexican Not-Kyle Katarn show are icing on the cake. They will never let us forget this shit happened. Even in old Star Wars after the prequels came along, the expanded content of then was willing to poke fun at the prequels and even dismiss George's more questionable decisions as hearsay or misunderstandings (except Traviss and that ended up biting her in the butt), but no one has the balls to go against Disney. And the worst part is that Disney's plan might work simply because of pure over-exposure and drowning out anything else. They will never let this shit go. Luke and the rest will forever always be failures living in the shadow of Almighty Rey-Sue while the galaxy becomes the playground for a bunch of Wendig clones.

My greatest hope is that SW fans will begin writing their own space opera fantasies or other fiction that can achieve the same amount of public appeal (and don't worry about making it woke; as we can see once again, that's just a magnet for brokeness)

They're trying but with difficulty what with Disney sending out C&Ds to anyone that makes anything that may rival their shit and makes their shit look bad by not having sequel tie-ins. Only high profile one that got away with anything was SW Theory's Vader movie and a fan film about Malakili the Rancor Keeper, but only because they didn't use tracks from the movie. As for fan games or remakes, those seem to be constantly getting screwed over by EA too despite showing the most promise.

 

[Jack Awful]

So for those of who who believe that now that this movie is basically a failure, the healing can begin, I'm afraid I have some bad news for you.

Say what you will about the prequel trilogy's failures, but when they happened, the other Writers involved with Star Wars knew enough to either ignore or sideline them. That won't be happeneing with the sequel trilogy. They are going to remind you that it happened and that it's canon now, and they are going to do everything to throw it in the face of every Star Wars fan. This level of contempt for their audience is clearly what drove them, as it was the entire impetus behind Episode VIII and seems to be the underwritten theme of the entire sequel trilogy.

What this means is that unlike previous cases where George's big fuck-ups were largely ignored by the rest of the setting, Disney is going to force those fuck-ups right into your face. There's going to be attempts to gain control of Mandalorian and force ST bullshit directly into it. There's going to be cases of the very idiots who fucked up the ST demanding to be put on other projects, and because the movie wasn't a complete failure (technically), they may very well succeed because the most responsible parties are largely protected from consequences.

Expect to see the ST forced in everywhere, infinitely more obnoxiously before, and the corresponding fluffpieces about how it didn't do as well as it should have because you were too stupid to embrace the glorious superior future.

Another important thing is that the prequels were, well, PREquels. They came before the original trilogy. They could ruin the theming and characters up until then, but everything that happens after the original trilogy retains its impact and we could imagine what happened afterwards.

Now we know that Vader's sacrifice did nothing, we know that the entire original surviving cast all failed in their quests and then died like bitches, Leia and Han divorced, their only son turned evil, the Jedi Order wasn't able to rebuild itself, and Luke gave up on everything then died.

 

[Judge Holden]

One of the things that pissed me off in JJ's movies are there are a bunch of plot holes that could be filled with a few lines of dialogue:

"How do you know how to pilot space crafts, Rey?"
"When you spend your life taking them apart, you learn everything about how they work."

"Leia, we're worried about this Resistance thing you're doing."
"But the New Republic has no army! We're vulnerable to attack from the First Order!"
"We don't need an army to deal with something as insignificant as the First Order. If we remilitarize we risk another person assuming absolute power and forming a new empire."

"Where did this army of star destroyers come from, Palpatine?"
"You didn't think the countless military assets and followers of the old Empire just vanished into nothing, did you?"

I don't want to have to read the wiki to understand how basic shit happened.

Yeah, honestly just having these bandaids in place would have done wonders to muffle a lot of the early criticism.....but then TLJ would still have come along and fucked everything up beyond repair

Everybody, myself and apparently the RLM niggers included, genuinely thought that a fairly competent spectacle filmmaker like JJ could, if married to a decent writer, pull of an adequate sequel trilogy that would become a reliable marvel tier cash cow.

Nobody expected some bimbo exec to aggressively mandate the protagonist be a tedious mary sue "avatar of all the new fans we totally gonna get", hire a bunch of YA-clique hacks and woke cretins to smother the Nu-EU in the crib, and then give a smirking pretentious douchebag carte blanche to throw the entire fucking project down the toilet because "LOLSUBVERSION! OLD STAR WARS WAS SHIT ALL ALONG! FORGET ABOUT THE STORIES AND CHARACTERS YOU LIKE AND EMBRACE THE SUPERIOR FUTURE CHARACTERS AND STORY!" and then go on an angry jihad along with the aforementioned YA-clique hacks and cretins against everybody who dared voice criticism of this dumb move and repeatedly declaring vast segments of the star wars fandom nazi manbabies.

As far as I am concerned, JJ has definitely shown himself to be an overrated hack whose arrogance and lack of giving a shit wound up helping kill the franchise by not making a cast iron plan ahead that whomever directed the sequel couldnt seriously contradict, but at the end of the day I dont think anyone expected someone like Rian Johnson to come along and destroy literally every last bit of potential the franchise still had.

KK ordered the hit, Rian Johnson carried it out, JJ simply buried the body

 

[Reverend]

Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker

www.boxofficemojo.com

Grosses
DOMESTIC (47%)
$175,500,000
INTERNATIONAL (53%)
$198,000,000
WORLDWIDE
$373,500,000


ESTIMATED. Below $400M. I want to see the real numbers, I bet it's far less

 

[Lodoss Warrior]

haven't watched the TROS episode yet, but I can say it really depends on the format. imo something like re:view where it's just rich and mike nerding out is a lot more interesting now. plinkett was fun when no one else did it, now there are dozens reviewing movies like that, especially star wars, which I think is one of the reasons the TLJ episode was so lackluster, everything had already been dissected. you can't really beat mauler's autism.

Eh, I think Mauler's also part of the YouTube review problem, in much of the same way RLM is.

They confuse length, verbosity, and autism for trenchant film observations. Sure, I agree with Mauler that the ST is dogshit, but he takes its dogshittiness as something that can be proven, based on his alien notion of "subjective vs objective" critiques. To him, it's more or less a fact that the ST is bad and that it's rational to hate it.

Nah, man. That's the same logic that got the prequels flamed to no end. I'm just here saying that, as someone who respects Lucas's vision, or Legends, the ST is an abortion.

The rest of your comment is fine. I fundamentally disagree with the idea that JJ is even a decent visual storyteller, but whatever. It seems like you aren't a rabid defender of them, so I'm cool with it.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

It’s interesting to note that one, Disney is definitely never going to have another big year like 2019 ever agin especially with Iger gone, and two Star Wars is likely now part of the streaming wars nonsense that’ll thankfully pop the streaming bubble in 2020.

Also, how embarrassing Star Wars is now reduced to a Netflix knockoff.
https://variety.com/2019/film/news/...-streaming-box-office-mandalorian-1203450593/

 

[Jack Awful]

Yeah, honestly just having these bandaids in place would have done wonders to muffle a lot of the early criticism.....but then TLJ would still have come along and fucked everything up beyond repair

Everybody, myself and apparently the RLM niggers included, genuinely thought that a fairly competent spectacle filmmaker like JJ could, if married to a decent writer, pull of an adequate sequel trilogy that would become a reliable marvel tier cash cow.

Nobody expected some bimbo exec to aggressively mandate the protagonist be a tedious mary sue "avatar of all the new fans we totally gonna get", hire a bunch of YA-clique hacks and woke cretins to smother the Nu-EU in the crib, and then give a smirking pretentious douchebag carte blanche to throw the entire fucking project down the toilet because "LOLSUBVERSION! OLD STAR WARS WAS SHIT ALL ALONG! FORGET ABOUT THE STORIES AND CHARACTERS YOU LIKE AND EMBRACE THE SUPERIOR FUTURE CHARACTERS AND STORY!" and then go on an angry jihad along with the aforementioned YA-clique hacks and cretins against everybody who dared voice criticism of this dumb move and repeatedly declaring vast segments of the star wars fandom nazi manbabies.

I was actually liked the theme of "kill the past" in Episode 8 because of the constant reboots and remakes of everything these days, ESPECIALLY Star Wars, but then they chickened out at the end of the movie and reverted to the standard empire/dark side vs. rebelion/light side story at the end.

Kylo and Rey teaming up against the resistance would be an interesting set up for Episode 9, with her old friends trying to bring Rey back. Too bad either Rian chickened out, or Disney realized what was happening too late and couldn't fully correct course in time.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

The dialogue totally felt forced. And it's a shame because you could really see it with Leia. I hate to say it but it's not going to age well at all.

Were they on crystal meth when doing the ADR for this film? It seemed jumbled and clumsily put together. Also the scene transitions were just off.....

 

[Creep3r]

I know the aesthetics of costume and creature designs aren't a topic of much interest and discussion around here, but I have a lot of beef with their choice of costumes for this film. Like these freaks just keep getting uglier and uglier or more mutilated like some Vong or Borg experiments.

I mean look at what they did to poor old Dengar here:

And for some reason IX is just chock full of newfag aliens, like dozens upon dozens for some reason with no history to them, none of which have any familiarity to even shit in Disney canon. And out of all the ugly shits, the only ones that look decent are these two:

And that's only because they look like less ugly versions of two pre-existing ugly aliens.

So in the end, only decent nu-alien costumes in this shit ended up being less ugly donut steal versions of old ones (they don't even share the same species names despite that they would actually make for nice replacements).

Even the prequels were smart enough to introduce new alien designs alongside old ones to give it a feeling of natural symbiosis.

Star Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Skywalker

www.boxofficemojo.com

Grosses
DOMESTIC (47%)
$175,500,000
INTERNATIONAL (53%)
$198,000,000
WORLDWIDE
$373,500,000


ESTIMATED. Below $400M. I want to see the real numbers, I bet it's far less

As I live and breath I cannot believe this is fucking happening. Christ Almighty...

You see @Dr W? A little optimism and hope does pay off after all!

 

[ZMOT]

those seem to be constantly getting screwed over by EA too despite showing the most promise.

gotta defend EA here (I know, I know), but they can be cool about fan mods. the way they handled the c&c renegade remake was exceptional (not in the world filter sense). basically they allowed them to do it how they want, just don't use the official name and don't take money for it. there, done.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Also, please remember Pulp Fiction was once a Disney movie and they’d sold off Miramax for Star Wars.

Now that Miramax’s catalog is sold to Paramount, kinda makes you wonder if Disney will regret giving up Pulp Fiction just to ruin the most beloved franchise in history.

ViacomCBS Buys Stake In Miramax For $375 Million

ViacomCBS today announced that it bought a 49 percent stake in Miramax, the movie studio co-founded by disgraced movie producer Harvey Weinstein and his brother Bob four decades ago, for $375 million.

www.google.com

 

[Jack Awful]

The dialogue totally felt forced. And it's a shame because you could really see it with Leia. I hate to say it but it's not going to age well at all.

Were they on crystal meth when doing the ADR for this film? It seemed jumbled and clumsily put together. Also the scene transitions were just off.....

They were doing reshoots and recuts until a few weeks before premier, so that explains a lot.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I was actually liked the theme of "kill the past" in Episode 8 because of the constant reboots and remakes of everything these days, ESPECIALLY Star Wars, but then they chickened out at the end of the movie and reverted to the standard empire/dark side vs. rebelion/light side story at the end.

Kylo and Rey teaming up against the resistance would be an interesting set up for Episode 9, with her old friends trying to bring Rey back. Too bad either Rian chickened out, or Disney realized what was happening too late and couldn't fully correct course in time.

I have a feeling that Rian wanted to do that but Kathleen Kennedy screeched at him to change that because she didn't want her self insert to be evil.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I know the aesthetics of costume and creature designs aren't a topic of much discussion around here, but I have a lot of beef with their choice of alien costumes for this film. Like these freaks just keep getting uglier and uglier or more mutilated like some Vong or Borg experiments. And for some reason IX is just chock full of newfag aliens, like dozens upon dozens for some reason with no history to them, none of which have any familiarity to even shit in Disney canon. And out of all the ugly shits, the only ones that look decent are these two:
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And that's only because they look like less ugly versions of two pre-existing ugly aliens.
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So in the end, only decent nu-alien costumes in this shit ended up being less ugly donut steal versions of old ones. Even the prequels were smart enough to introduce new alien designs alongside old ones to give it a feeling of natural symbiosis.


As I live and breath I cannot believe this is fucking happening. Christ Almighty...

You see @Dr W? A little optimism and hope does pay off after all!
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Time to party!

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I know the aesthetics of costume and creature designs aren't a topic of much discussion around here, but I have a lot of beef with their choice of alien costumes for this film. Like these freaks just keep getting uglier and uglier or more mutilated like some Vong or Borg experiments.

I mean look at what they did to poor old Dengar here:
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And for some reason IX is just chock full of newfag aliens, like dozens upon dozens for some reason with no history to them, none of which have any familiarity to even shit in Disney canon. And out of all the ugly shits, the only ones that look decent are these two:
View attachment 1064652View attachment 1064663
And that's only because they look like less ugly versions of two pre-existing ugly aliens.
View attachment 1064665View attachment 1064664
So in the end, only decent nu-alien costumes in this shit ended up being less ugly donut steal versions of old ones. Even the prequels were smart enough to introduce new alien designs alongside old ones to give it a feeling of natural symbiosis.


As I live and breath I cannot believe this is fucking happening. Christ Almighty...

You see @Dr W? A little optimism and hope does pay off after all!
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