Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Maul's storyline in TCW was fine but he shouldn't have appeared in SW Rebels, the tone of the show wasn't made for characters like Maul, Tarkin, Vader or Thrawn. The whole revenge story was ruined by the shitty Space Aladdin B-plot.
Personally I think Maul's return should've been handled as a one shot story, but the TCW stuff would've felt more natural to the story if they just did not have his brother exist. I never liked Savage Opress to begin with. A more neater alternative would've been to have Ventress run off to find the last failed Sith apprentice after being betrayed by Dooku and teaming up with him for revenge. So having her and Maul team up (before eventually going separate ways due to conflicting views) would've been a far better story that would also help Ventress to see that giving into your anger makes you become a monster like Maul. It would've been better for the both of them than the Savage and the Dathomir witches stories. Sad part is even my grievances with those storylines don't seem that bad anymore when compared to that crap Disney pulled on them.

It was probably due to TCW's cancellation, which left Maul's fate open-ended, so he was inserted into Rebels to conclude his story. If TCW originally ended with a proper conclusion, I suspect Maul would have died in the final season. And that's all now completely pointless with TCW coming back.
That would've been nice too, but I think Filoni did eventually intend to remake the Kenobi/Maul fight. Although it might've worked better as the finale of the Filoni Wars than a one shot side episode in Aladdin's Rebels which was toned down as fuck and made worse by Aladdin's presence.
 
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Maul surviving always bothered me and Maul being on Tatooine with Obi Wan really really bothered me. Someone locating Obi Wan at all would have been disasterous and was not thought out at all. The proliferation of force users and Jedi "stuff" in the Rebels show was all wrong and did not make sense.

This new Obi Wan show cannot have any other Jedi in it. In fact it should focus on Obi Wan trying to overcome issues and being forced to hide his force abilities. You can imagine he had a massive price on his head from the Empire.
 
So I was thinking about Mandalorian

This is why I don't think IG-11 is dead. When he self distructed, the chassis would be destroyed. But, the head could have been blown to safety...

Moments before, we see Cara Dune shoot off the head of an astromech droid with a modified body..

We see Jawas lurking around for the final shot...

I think IG-11 dying may be a running gag...
 
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LMAO Kylo Ren's monkey is not only his blacksmith but he's a fucking SITH who empowers the Knights' armor and weapons with sith lightning and sith enchantments and knows all the sith secrets.

So even this fucking monkey who is not a part of Sheev's cult can be a sith. Or maybe this monkey was Sheev's top subordinate and the one controlling Snoke and Kylo Ren. FFS So much for Rey's victory. The Sith are still around and more numerous than ever.
The Sith are dead, Disney says. Anakin actually did fulfill the prophecy unlike in the EU, Disney says. The Knights of Ren and Kylo aren't Sith, Disney says.
 
Screen Rant is going wishful thinking here about how Disney buying Pokémon is a great idea.
Bruh Pokemon almost screwed things up with Sword and Shield because of the push for annual mainline games, Disney's going to either make it worse, or maybe it could help and actually get Pokemon more spinoffs, those were always fun. Not to mention that this is based out in Japan while most of everything else Disney bought is based in the States.
 
Bruh Pokemon almost screwed things up with Sword and Shield because of the push for annual mainline games, Disney's going to either make it worse, or maybe it could help and actually get Pokemon more spinoffs, those were always fun. Not to mention that this is based out in Japan while most of everything else Disney bought is based in the States.
Well this is a Nintendo property as well, so I don’t think there are prospects of them being okay with Iger buying them.
 
This new Obi Wan show cannot have any other Jedi in it. In fact it should focus on Obi Wan trying to overcome issues and being forced to hide his force abilities. You can imagine he had a massive price on his head from the Empire.
I wonder if they're going to remake that Old Ben/Maul fight in this show. I still think that Rebels wasn't the right place to do it.

I never liked Savage Opress to begin with.
I didn't like him either, it's a shame because he was voiced by Clancy Brown.
 
Sorry, took me a while to catch up, so this one is long overdue, I will spoiler my answer, though, so not to waste too much space:
TLDR: people never change over the years

I'm also talking about that specific moment, not the sequels as a whole. fyi, since absolutely fucking nothing is explained in the movies, "what if" is basically all we can talk about.
That misrepresents my argument in its entirety to make it more convenient to counter. Essentially, it's a strawman. Nothing I have said is even remotely suggesting that character developement is impossible - quite the opposite. But to suggest that a character that risks his life to redeem an actual psychopath that has been involved in countless mass-murder would become a person that would even just for a split second contemplate the killing of an INNOCENT FAMILY MEMBER is nonsensical and stupid.

The best thing you have to say in favor of "Murder Hermit Luke" is "Weeeell... nothing is explained, so I can just pretend that there is something that might explain that - even though it doesn't exist and we just have to assume that it can explain this" and I have to say: No. We don't have to assume anything. I don't have to assume that there is a possible story that turns Luke in a murder hermit, since there is none. It is just a cheap shock moment to destroy Luke's character for petty reasons. Making Luke a hermit might be interesting, but unless there is an actual explanation, a legit, full explanation, that tells us how this happened, it's shit. Unmitigated, worthless shit - and all you do is suggesting to write Ruin's story for him, cause he sure as fuck didn't bother to fill in this blank space. So I ask, why should I accept this?

That being said, it might be "possible" for Luke to change radically, but it is not logical for him to devolve into the kind of person that would kill his own nephew. Not even for the shortest imaginable fraction of a second. And that is only going by his character in the OT alone, when one considers things such as basic plot structure and the narrartive surrounding Luke, one will realize that by making Luke some crazy murder hermit, his entire role within the framework of the story is lost. Luke is an archetype, Luke is a simplistic character, that's why his struggle resounds with the audience. He's the hero that saves the princess, redeems his father and beats the bad guy. And he does so primarily by his virtue and bravery. If you take away his virtue, Luke is altered to a point where he ceases to be Luke.
That is why doing that is so unsatisfactory.


Its called a Diddynon. Its essentially an uglier Mon Calamari (Ackbar's species) donut steal whose planet and species were ruined by the First Order.
Am I the only one that thinks Disney is pumping out these passionless stories of "oh, btw, the FO destroyed the planet of ... these fish people", sort of to dissuade people from liking the FO? They have to underline how evil the FO is constantly, so they constantly shit out stories how the FO ruined everyone's planet, which begs the questions: How in the fuck did they do that, why did they do that, why don't we see that in the movies?

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They also show up in everything Disney since TLJ, including the Mandalorian. Nothing bad can ever happen to these fuckers apparently.
This looks like something that would be laughed off the stage at that old timey Dino-sitcom.

In the original triology, even when things looked bleak, the story made sense. The rebels were smaller than the Empire but they were not insignificant to the Empire. They were a real threat and justified things like sending thousands of probe droids throughout the galaxy for years after they blew up their flagship of terror: The Death Star.
The thing that will never cease to amaze me is how Disney really sucks at their virtue signalling.
They obviously have drank the "Orange Man Bad" kool-aid, so why don't they do anything interesting with that in their movie? The best they can do is to maybe draw weak parallels to the Alt-Right with their shitty FO faction, but how about the Resistance engages in info-campaigns. They spread knowledge about the evil shit the FO does, so even a small group of Resistance-fighters hurts the FO. They could tie this up in a sort of way, that works as a metaphof for how the self-declared defenders of social justice fight DRUUUUUUUUUUMPF and his fake news with TRUE and HONEST news.
It's surreal, all Disney does is cheap virtue signaling, but they fail even at that.

2. Because Luke died and Rey had to have training as a way to shut people up about the Mary Sue thing. Also the looking for Luke thing was actually because he was needed for the rebellion but because Rian didn't watch TFA, Rian made it seem like Rey was looking for Luke to train him.
That's another thing. TFA never gave a reason why finding Luke would turn the tide. One of the few sensible things that Luke says ion TLJ is that he can't just swing around his light sabre and save the day.
All it would have taken would have been to make Luke a well-known war hero that will serve as an important inspiration to draw in more support. I mean, that would at least be a start.

TFA just had an empty treasure hunt for old man Luke that had no payoff, so the writer for VIII could run wild - and we got murder hermit luke. *slow clap*

The only problem I can see with that is the sheer amount of resources required to retrofit that many ships, or create them from scratch. I mean, without a massive infrastructure, like the one the Empire provided, it's take many many decades to refit that many ships. You need mines, foundries, refineries, factories, droids and/or workers to staff all of them... I mean, the Empire having the resources it had made sense because the Empire controlled 1.5 MILLION planets with a further 70 million colonies and puppet states. They'd easily be able to amass the manpower and resources required to mass produce giant ships. And unlike Palps they didn't have to hide their operations. Can you imagine how hard it would be to relocate that many resources to Exogol without anybody noticing? And how hard it would be to keep anything from getting out considering that a Star Destroyer required a crew of 45,000+ personnel each with the included Stormtrooper ground forces.

It's ust mind boggling to think an operation that size, requiring that many people and resources, could be hidden even in a very large Galaxy like the one Far Far Away.
From the start of the trilogy, people wondered where the FO came from and how they got so many ships in such a short amount of time without anyone noticing.
Now we have an even bigger fleet built without anyone knowing on a desolate shithole of a planet... when you look at the movies from that perspective, that alone rips off the mask of this shitfest and shows how they had nothing planned out or thought through.

And that is just talking about making the damn ships. When you consider they'd need a planet's worth of people to man them all, it becomes really fucking outrageous.

That's what you get when the only idea the writer has to increase the stakes is to go for a bigger explosion.

I heard Oscar Isaac asked not to be killed off because at the time, he was dying in most of his roles. So I guess JJ threw him a bone and it took off from there, because despite it all, he is more likable then most of the cast.
Oscar Isaac is a handsome, charismatic dude. I hated Poe for his endless quipping, though.

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I still wonder what the hell they mean by this. "Until..." What the fuck are they going to do to the Force? Wouldn't surprise me if the final entry in the project is revealing that Rey is now the Force itself or some crap like that. Also Aphra is going to play a part in this shit too so that's already a massive red flag of how shit this is going to be.
If after assassinating Luke, their great idea is to also abolish the Force, I wonder why they bought SW in the first place, if they change every fundamental aspect of why people like it.

Then she should've fucked off and made her own republic with blackjack and hookers. By the end of VI, Leia's rebels are the only legitimate power in the galaxy and everyone who's anyone regards her and Luke as heroes. A republic usurped by the anti-Leia faction who'd use the equivalent of blood libel against her (it's be another thing if she inherited wealth or status from Vader and tried to use that "for good") doesn't deserve to win.
Agreed. I was merely arguing from the viewpoint of within the continuity of Disney's terrible writing.
I mean, any debate in the senate about Leia's parentage should go something like this:
Asshat: "So... Leia is Darth Vaders daughter and we can't trust her for that reason."
Leia: "Sit down and fuck off, without me, there wouldn't even be a new Republic."

Here's another thing from the IX dictionary. Its called "Kid Malmash". Its apparently a child that hasn't "pupated" yet. He's another donut steal of a pre-existing species but with creepier eyes.
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What sticks out for me though is his bio. It says he makes a living escorting refugees, criminals, etc to safe zone planets but he's running out of planets due to the FO. So is the FO arresting criminals too? The Republic and Empire is down and the FO are idiots, so who's arresting these criminals? Are they just being executed on the spot? And you're running out of destinations within a fucking galaxy? Just how much shit has the FO destroyed?
Absolutely every single alien character in this new off-brand Star Wars canon is hideous. Every. Single. One.
What is wrong with these designers.
 
Mandalorian finale was okay. The reactions are a little exaggerated. It was good, not great.

Good:
-you get some decent action towards the end of the episode
-the grate thing was pretty clever

Bad:
-there are three or four really tedious conversations about leaving people behind. Each time it felt like fake drama meant to pad out the run time.
-there is a close combat fight scene between a returning character and six stormtroopers that is so hilariously inept its almost comical. She is so fucking slow.
-nothing the enemy does makes any sense. At one point the bad guy just... wanders away to jerk off for a couple of hours.
-Mando should have got his ass shot at least a dozen times during this episode
-the ending is just a little too convenient

Also, apparently Cara and Carl Weathers spent hours wandering through the desert while mando buried his pal instead of returning to town or doing literally anything else
 
Also the presence of the Darksaber bothers me a bit. Is Filoni just going to keep forcing this thing into every project he makes? It doesn't help that its not a particular favorite weapon of mine since it wasn't even something Filoni wanted to do and George just forced him to make it a lightsaber despite that Filoni wanted to make it cortosis.
It's odd that George would be so dead-set against a lightsaber-resistant sword when he gave Grievous's droid bodyguards melee weapons that they could parry lightsabers with.

On the subject of the Darksaber itself, I kind of like it aesthetically, but it feels very out-of-place as this Excalibur-ish icon of Mandalorian leadership that Filoni tried to build it up as. It's far more in keeping with their culture that the chieftain's emblem of rule would be a distinctive piece of armor like the ancient Mask of the Mandalore (as seen in the Tales of the Jedi and Knights of the Old Republic comics) than some random weapon looted from the Jedi Temple.

Is this the first red flag of Filoni adding the usual Filoni cameos like Ahsoka, Hondo, Rex and whatnot? That kind of shit only helps to make shit feel incredibly small. Only character that might fit with the mandalorian is Hondo, but the character has been so overused and is literally in everything Disney except the Disney Trilogy so how many more places can he fucking be in? Even in the DT, despite not being in it, his flag appears on Yellow Yoda's castle, so you know he's partly involved with that shit and he's part of the Resistance according to Galaxy's Edge...
Dunno, but from what I've seen so far, it seems to me like Favreau is keeping Filoni on a pretty tight leash.

Again, only thing that seems to have any future is the Mandalorian and even Anthony Daniels seems to indicate that its positive trend may not last, especially with how they've said before that they want to tie it to the FO's origin story. And even with Kennedy gone, the taint may never leave...
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Seriously, Marvel? Your pet lesbian takes down the Dark Lord of the Sith while sitting on her ass and making "I fucking love science" quips?

Say what you will about that one Dark Horse story where Boba Fett throws down with Darth Vader, but they did Vader the courtesy of making it manifestly evident that Fett was in for the fight of his life, and had to use every last skill and trick in his arsenal to stay alive, as opposed to...whatever the fuck is going on in that Marvel comic.
 
Say what you will about that one Dark Horse story where Boba Fett throws down with Darth Vader, but they did Vader the courtesy of making it manifestly evident that Fett was in for the fight of his life, and had to use every last skill and trick in his arsenal to stay alive, as opposed to...whatever the fuck is going on in that Marvel comic.
Say what you will about Fallen Order, at least they treat Vader right (well, except towards the end of the fight when stronk black lady beats him with the Force).

The only thing that can save Star Wars at this point is to put absolutely all your resources into making Mandalorian and Obi-Wan really, really good shows and nixing any tie-ins to the sequel trilogy that they were considering. Then hire a completely new blood director who understands Star Wars to direct a KOTOR series of movies about the Mandalorian Wars (or maybe one about the Mandalorian Wars, the next two adapting the games), and prevent anyone at Lucasfilm from interfering with what that director wants to do, outside of making sure things mesh with the greater universe.
 
Say what you will about Fallen Order, at least they treat Vader right (well, except towards the end of the fight when stronk black lady beats him with the Force).

The only thing that can save Star Wars at this point is to put absolutely all your resources into making Mandalorian and Obi-Wan really, really good shows and nixing any tie-ins to the sequel trilogy that they were considering. Then hire a completely new blood director who understands Star Wars to direct a KOTOR series of movies about the Mandalorian Wars (or maybe one about the Mandalorian Wars, the next two adapting the games), and prevent anyone at Lucasfilm from interfering with what that director wants to do, outside of making sure things mesh with the greater universe.

Since they aren't beholden to a trilogy. I think an interesting idea is doing an interlocking story.

Part set long before the Skywalker stuff, part set long after it. The villian being the connective tissue...
 
He's the one we ended up with by the end of TLJ, and that happened because JJ shat the bed with Snoke in TFA. Upon getting the reins, Ruin should've done the "Snoke has been dead all along" plot @RomanesEuntDomus came up with - that would've been VIII's "I am your father" and put the trilogy on the right track. Upon getting the reins back from Ruin after the IRL TLJ, JJ's only chance at a decent movie was to build up Kylo, have him defeated, and give the Resistance a solid military victory over the FO that'd knock it back to an "evil kingdom" equivalent.

Oh, believe me, I agree with you, Kylo should've been the main villain of ROS, I would've loved to see him become competent, and @RomanesEuntDomus idea is great, I love it. But, there was one problem, that ship had already sailed once Ryan made TLJ with Kylo's embarrassing defeat to a hologram. Kylo becoming the main villain should've been an arc.

Even if J,J had made Kylo an amazing villain in ROS, which I'm not sure was doable under 2 hours after being a joke for 2 movies, he still didn't have the villain presence to sell the movie.

I mean even TLJ fans didn't see him as the ultimate villain, but someone Rey could hook up with and redeem.

I think bringing back Palpatine was stupid, and shouldn't have never happened, but I can see why they did it from the point of view of a greedy corporation that just wants money. They were desparate, and they needed a big final villain to sell tickets, that Kylo just didn't have.

Darth Vader was able to sell ROTJ despite the emperor, not him, even being the main villain. Could Kylo?

Kevin Smith made another review... I can't even watch it in full. The man looks and sounds like a depressed raspy wreck trying to simulate excitement while being alone in a cramped room. He looks like he's been crying for hours or days either because of this fucking movie (like he does with every other piece of SW crap he reviews) or because he had another mental breakdown. For fuck's sake what a mess of shillery. Its like the exact opposite of James Rolfe's review in every way. The man just keeps declining yet he somehow keeps being treated as important to SW and Hollywood for some reason. FYI I don't feel sorry for him, he just really creeps me out as he currently is.

Yeah, I agree. I only paid attention to him after seeing him in my recommended videos, my first impression is him trying to hard to do a "How yo do fellow kids", mixed with trying to appeal to nerd culture to keep being relevant.

I get that he is being a shill to maybe get a big "nerd" project to work on now that Superheroes and Star Wars/Trek are popular again so that someone in the industry will give him a project to work on, but I just don't feel much sincerity coming from him.
 
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Look into getting yourself a copy of the "Despecialized Editions" the quality is very good and I enjoy them very much. I even made my own dvd labels, sleeves and inserts for them. The thought of all of us handing di$ney a check for 1 billion dollars to get the theatrical cuts makes me feel awful, its like paying property tax.

There are VHS and Laserdisc copies of the theatrical cuts. I think they were released on DVD one time, back in 2008. Its a flat transfer of the lassrdiscs
The release went unnoticed because apart from Autistics who really cared about that credit crawl, it wasn't a big issue.
You can find rips of all 3 laserdiscs on the torrent sites.
 
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Regarding Darth Maul, Robot Chicken showed the only way he should have ever come back:
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"At last we shall have our revenge..."

The big problem with Starship design in Soy Wars is the fact that bigger does not always equal better.

Sure, Saberhagen had Berserkers that were the size of Australia, but those things never entered atmosphere. Sure, Saberhagen and Niven and a *few* others had weapons that used FTL engines (The infamous C+ Cannon in Berserker where the slugs hit more as quasi-real mathematical "packets" than actual physical objects) but they were at least decently thought out and were main guns on heavy cruisers for Terran forces and main guns on Berserkers.

When you get to "Death Star Lasers! OH EM GEE!" you'd be better off served with firing fucking tungsten rods at surface targets. Hell, even the Bolo "Hellbore" is more energy efficient and more effective than the "Death Star Laser" would be aboard the ship.

And while I'm sure that destroying planets sounds all super-villiany to the writers of Soy Wars and to absolute faggots like Chuck Wendig (God, I fucking hate him), it doesn't make much sense.

See, there's no fun to being an evil overlord IF YOU HAVE NOBODY TO LORD IT OVER!

As to the question "How many Medal of Honor Winners can you name?"
Quite a few. But Luke goes past Medal of Honor winner and into fucking legendary status. He was tailor made for propaganda. Everyone saw Zero Dark Thirty and Blackhawk Down. Hell, even the Thrawn books talk about how protestors put up a beacon where the Death Star was destroyed to call Luke a war criminal for killing all the Imperials on the Death Star.

But putting real life propaganda into question with Soy Wars during Current Year +3 Clown World Timeline Special is an exercise in futility.

The whole goddamn last 3 movies are retarded to the point that if you have more brains than soy you start questioning things. And those questions don't have answers and what answers are given are flat and don't make sense.

Like I said before, it's sad that Robot fucking Chicken of all things was more respectful to the original material and hangs together with canon better than anything Soy Wars produced.

"You will ride this unicycle and refer to yourself as Mary..."
 
Absolutely every single alien character in this new off-brand Star Wars canon is hideous. Every. Single. One.
What is wrong with these designers.

I think Disney's designers buy their crack from a galaxy far, far away. Because there is no way that the crack we buy here on Earth is anywhere near capable of making its users do this.
 
So was any reason given why Palpy decided to nuke his whole empire after ROTJ (since EA Battlefront is canon) only to resurface 30 years where is new objective is to...now lay waste to the galaxy?
He probably did it just for fun at this point given how shit this universe is.
Kevin Smith made another review... I can't even watch it in full. The man looks and sounds like a depressed raspy wreck trying to simulate excitement while being alone in a cramped room. He looks like he's been crying for hours or days either because of this fucking movie (like he does with every other piece of SW crap he reviews) or because he had another mental breakdown. For fuck's sake what a mess of shillery. Its like the exact opposite of James Rolfe's review in every way. The man just keeps declining yet he somehow keeps being treated as important to SW and Hollywood for some reason. FYI I don't feel sorry for him, he just really creeps me out as he currently is.
It's because he made some good shit 20 years ago and Hollywood is retarded and full of dead wood.

It's like Spielburg, except while Spielburg lost his touch directing, he still is actually pretty good as a producer since he still has some talent in spotting what is likely to be a good project.
 
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