Cemila Mandes
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The issue with that argument is that the fact that you're using a specific character means that there's more characteristics to talk from. If he wanted to call her ugly, it'd be far more likely that he'd just call her ugly, or that he'd vary the epithets such that the characters referenced/descriptors used would have this common string of "ugly". It'd be more likely that he'd call her an ogre instead of a specific ogre that's actually a sympathetic character with a developed character arc in a much better movie.
There's nothing that you actually have from him that well-suggests anything outside of what he claimed, especially since (IIRC) he doesn't even discuss her appearance along with calling her Shrek.
I like how you included the Pepe Silvia meme as you try to explain how calling someone "Shrek" isn't a personal attack on their appearance when it is. In all that, you haven't said what he really could have meant by calling her Shrek. Nothing will change the fact that Shrek is known for being ugly and when you call someone Shrek, the immediate reaction is you're calling them ugly. By your logic, I'm sure people don't mind being called Sloth, Quasimodo, and Rocky Dennis because they were all sympathetic.
MauLer claimed he called her Shrek because "she was out of place and in the way throughout the plot, like Shrek would be if he popped up". But out of all the characters who would be out of place and in the way, it's odd that he chose someone who's ugly. Why not call her Jackie Chan?
And yet I was still far less wrong than you. You didn't just claim that everyone got a nickname-- you claimed that everyone getting a nickname was a gimmick of the video. Only two people had a nickname, and it wasn't at all a gimmick of the video.
But you're still far more wrong when it came to MauLer's intent. It wasn't because he couldn't be bothered to care about her character's name. It was because he wanted to make fun of how she looked, while calling the kettle black.
"Going after" is a very dramatic way to say "criticize", and the only place his sycophants are being sent out by him to attack others is-- as far as you can demonstrate-- in your head and on your convoluted investigation board.
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It's also more accurate when MauLer continues to openly attack them at any chance he gets. It's one thing to make one or two videos calling out some idiot, it's another to attack said idiot whenever you can, even in videos supposed to be film critiques. The only place his NPCs are being sent out by him to attack others are on the videos of said others, the Twitters of said others, and said others' livestreams.
...because it's a charlie foxtrot of a situation. It's a section because it's a thing that happened and it's relevant to the subject of the thread. But it's one of many sections.
It's also a section that relates directly to MauLer, was instigated by MauLer, and puts MauLer's fat fingerprints all over this thread. The section would not exist without MauLer, like this thread. And it may be just one, but the OP's "Oh boi" establishes that it holds very special importance to him.
...do you call everyone at least two days younger than you a "baby"? Because you seem to insist on robbing people of their agency as you claim that the only reason that there was an emphasis on her being a Disney Star Wars fan had to be because OP was also a MauLer sycophant. Literally nothing else. Can't even be that he agrees with MauLer independent of MauLer. It's not that OP is independently invested in Star Wars and hates the films. And what does it matter that she hates the side films-- do you have to be a fan of every segment of a franchise in order to be a fan of the franchise?
MauLer NPCs have no agency. They believe anything he tells them and feel how he wants them to feel. Refer to the OP claiming Jenny was strawmanning others in her TLJ video, the exact same thing MauLer claimed - despite also making the exact same point Jenny made about how Luke would never try to kill his nephew. Also, the point about Jenny hating Disney Star Wars films (TRoS ain't a side film) is it goes against the "Disney shill" accusation because it's pretty unusual for a shill to openly criticize what they're supposed to be promoting. Nice strawman brah!
Again, you insist on his white knights being extensions of him instead of people that operate independently of him for their own interests (the defense of something/someone they like/appreciate as a means to snuff out cognitive dissonance brought about by observed contradicting opinion).
So why don't they start defending something/someone they like/appreciate as a means to snuff out cognitive dissonance brought about by observed contradicting opinion until MauLer goes after that contradicting opinion? This contradicting opinion came out in April, but his white knights didn't raid the video until six months later when he responded to it. Not very independent.
I doubt if it would have mattered to you if this thread was created two months after said incident-- you would have still claimed it was evidence of OP being a MauLer fanboy, even though the shape of your argument suggests that it was also the (preceding) Star Wars stuff that led to the creation of this thread.
Unfortunately, this thread was created a few weeks after said incident. Focus on reality, not hypotheticals.
I wasn't trying to be clever. 95% confident, the source of your vendetta is that you somehow managed to get cucked by him.
What's the 5% telling you?
Deflect less.
Project less.
And responding to specifically that at a point does not break the context of that complete thought. Secondly, if he's not the average streamer... he's not the average streamer.
It does when the point is to demonstrate all the things that make MauLer more autistic than Rags and Wolf. Including him not being the average streamer.
How do you know if he wants them going after these people? Because he wants to respond and showcase said response because he wants to make a general point? Are you going to suggest that he rein in his fanbase as if they're not cognizant enough to rein themselves in, as if they were actual children? You can't demonstrate that he's signaling to go after these people because there's nothing that demonstrates that he wants anybody going after these people except for the fact that he acknowledges them. Somehow, them being nobodies means that he wants them raided when he showcases his responses to them? But if they're not nobodies, it still means that?
You just think he wants them raided because of course you do. I'm not beyond thinking that MauLer may not be morally upright-- I mean, he certainly isn't if he helped your wife sabotage your marriage-- but don't waste people's time with vendetta covers and just get down to business.
Because he's putting these people right on his Twitter. Because instead of hitting respond to normally respond to someone, he makes sure all of his followers see his response and the person he's putting on blast. Because he wanted to make a general point, he could make a general point without specifically identifying anyone. He doesn't want to rein in his fanbase. He knows his fanbase will attack anyone he has beef with, like fanbases do. Rather than avoid this by keeping his conflicts more discreet or not even engaging in them, he lets his fanbase know who he's feuding with so his fanbase will join him in his attacks. It's the nature of a fanbase to defend what they like and MauLer directs his fanbase to whom he needs to be defended against. He does this against nobodies and somebodies. The actual point about the nobodies is that he actively searches out nobodies saying mean things about him and puts them on blast because he's that thin-skinned.
It's a fact he wants them raided because he's letting all of his followers know exactly who they're supposed to attack and where they're supposed to attack. ITT, certain people claim Jenny sent her fans after MauLer because she referenced his video without any direct references to him or his video. But when MauLer directly tells his fans who and what they're going after today, there's suddenly skepticism towards his intent.
The failure of your insistence that open criticism == incitement to raid aside, it's stupid to attempt to rein in control of thousands of autonomous agents with their own interests who likely were never operating according to what they thought your interests were, if they ever thought of that in the first place. It's even more asinine to think that someone should have such a responsibility when they're not actually inciting anything.
Thanks for acknowledging that open criticism is equal to incitement to raid. Like I said, it's the nature of fanbases to defend what they love, which leads to them going anyone giving their idol problems and/or offending their idol. And it's the nature of fanbases to do what their idol asks of them to win favor. When their idol just wants them to attack someone else, they'll do it. While that idol may not be responsible for all of their fanbases dumbassery, they are responsible for not instigating their fanbase to attack other people by not letting their fanbase specifically know who's causing them problems. And MauLer choses to let his entire fanbase know whenever he has a problem with someone else. If he wasn't trying to incite anything, he wouldn't show his fanbase who he wants to have vitriol directed towards.
"She was useless and I don't want to see her anymore because she was useless. The only value she had was comedic. Like, when she told Finn that they're not going to win by fighting what they hate but saving who they love after she T-boned him at high velocity, before the giant laser blasted through the wall and the First Order was about to murder everyone they loved-- I busted a gut."
Still better than conflating race and gender.