General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[Banditotron]

I think that in some cases, a good therapist can unravel the person's anxiety, at the source. One major problem (their words, not mine) is binary thinking. It is like women want to be men, and men who want to be women, because having a vagina or having facial hair gives them a pass to feel certain ways, wear certain clothing and act certain ways.

But when you really break it down, the only measurable and indisputable differences between males and females, are their role in human reproduction. The rest is a matter of gender roles that are comfortable and convenient for the majority, but by no means universal.

For example, realistically speaking, men can not breast-feed. If you are not born with that estroenating X chromosome, breast feeding is just not one of your options.

However, there is no actual real reason, for why a man can not wear a dress. Or for why a man can't wear lipstick, or heals. Maybe you will be seen as odd, but if you want to wear pearls and pumps, you don't need to be castrated in order to do so. And you can even find a circle of friends who do the same weird shit. Wanting to wear a dress also doesn't make you a woman. A dress consists of a few panels of fabric sewn together. You could cut it down to fabric and reshape it into a shirt ... Pearls are things that grow in mollusks shells. Etc etc. Men can work as receptionists, child care workers, whatever. At the end of the day these jobs don't feminize women, so a man who gravitates toward those jobs does not feminizes, either.

If you don't attach politics and gender into objects as mundane as panels of fabric, telephones and cooking spoons, then you can detach from these items as being identity-building.

I am concerned that some people are not feeling dysphoria about how their individual bodies navigate the social and physical worlds, but rather a sense of guilt and discomfort at the perceived incongruity between their biological sex and the lifestyle toward which they gravitate.

And with time, people mature and often realize that whatever it was, wasn't what they thought it was. In the case of people having a full-blown surgical sex-change, they can't return to what nature a.k.a. their DNA designed.

Man, it feels really good to read this. You're speaking the plain truth, and yet just seeing the plain truth is sometimes what one needs. I hate being part of LGB and having reality dictated to me by T. They think they're in charge of our reality. At these point there's more T than there is LGB. I hate it, man.

 

[Non-Expert!]

They dont know my pain.. Bullied for being ugly, deformed, fat, nerdy, unattractive, stunted? I was born into the wrong body.. I was happy only for those 18 years because I didn't know! 18 years of happiness I now feel I shouldn't have, while they suffered for 18 years only to have it eventually [...]

Transitioning isn't waiting. Go fucking learn how to style your hair, buy reasonable clothes, pad your bra. HRT doesn't change shit; transitioning is finally putting effort into yourself. Incels struggle with the idea of doing something out of themselves ...

Who wrote the first paragraph?

That's right, it could be a lot of people. There are handfuls of these people in every graduating class, across Anglo North America.

I just wanted to point that out.

There is a certain level of self-loathing that comes with being the target of bullies, and a rather typical, adolescent course of dysphoria comes with feeling awkward in every age-designated endeavor. The self-loathing that bullies hone in on, and amplify, is probably baggage that the youngster brings from home. Parents have a way of flinging their own variety of shameful tar that kids internalize, in order to keep their thoughts and behavior in line.

I reckon little of this has to do with an individual's gender. But when they internalize social rejection and shame, and suddenly find acceptance in any community, the natural tendency, especially for inexperienced young people, is to join them.

It is very hard to win the game when you have bean dealt a losing hand. But I would urge people make the most of what Nature has given them, and to not funnel their anxieties into one sole concept, such as thinking that being emasculated or defeminized will make them somehow fit. This is a very diverse world and there is a place in it for everybody, but it takes a lot of patience and pain to get there. Also there really is no actual game to win or lose unless you are into that stuff.

 

[Piss Bear]

Can people familiar with trans culture tell me of the metaphor and terms of being "an egg" and "an egg waiting to hatch" are new? I find the terminology very creepy, as it sounds like something a hypnotist would say to plant hypnotic commands "Imagine yourself as an egg, waiting to hatch. as I count down from 10, see the egg shell beginning to crack...and when the egg cracks, a new you will emerge."

There is this metamorphosis angle to it, that reminds me of alleged "Monarch Mind Control", which supposedly uses butterflies as its secret logo, since caterpillars metamorphose into butterflies. The metaphore of an egg waiting to hatch or hatching reminds me of that.

EDIT: Found an example in the SA thread
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I think the terminology is relatively new and came from the rise of the transgender acceptance movement on the internet. I find it very creepy, too; it’s basically their disguised way of recruiting more people into their movement, under the guise that they are just helping others through a process of self-discovery and making people realize something that they had hidden inside them all along.

But... they will tell you you’re trans no matter what. They’ll look for the slightest hint of insecurity within one’s self, and pursue that to convince you you’re actually the opposite sex. That’s usually why teens are the ones falling for it, they aren’t used to going through bodily changes and they are quick to eat up the idea that the uncomfortableness or awkwardness they are feeling is due to them secretly being trans. Or, an egg waiting to hatch. And these people are helping them crack that egg. It’s so, so wrong in every way to think like this.

 

[Dr. Troon]

Transgenderism is based on crackpot science by a sketchy (((doctor))) and I don't want to deal with any of it. That's all I know.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Can people familiar with trans culture tell me of the metaphor and terms of being "an egg" and "an egg waiting to hatch" are new? I find the terminology very creepy, as it sounds like something a hypnotist would say to plant hypnotic commands "Imagine yourself as an egg, waiting to hatch. as I count down from 10, see the egg shell beginning to crack...and when the egg cracks, a new you will emerge."

There is this metamorphosis angle to it, that reminds me of alleged "Monarch Mind Control", which supposedly uses butterflies as its secret logo, since caterpillars metamorphose into butterflies. The metaphore of an egg waiting to hatch or hatching reminds me of that.

EDIT: Found an example in the SA thread
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This is worth posting again.

 

[Banditotron]

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You have tried to hide your post, and I dislike that. Restore the post. Do it.

 

[{o}P II]

I just feel so bad for these people who probably know deep down they can never be their desired gender but go through their whole life keeping up the charade through painful surgeries and dodgy medicines

I honestly do not think that arguing whether trans women are women or wherever trans men are men but whether therapy would be a better alternative to transition or if transitioning should be allowed but SRS should be discouraged

cause whatver they are doing now is not working and is just coming up with more depression and death

 

[Dr. Troon]

I just feel so bad for these people who probably know deep down they can never be their desired gender but go through their whole life keeping up the charade through painful surgeries and dodgy medicines

I honestly do not think that arguing whether trans women are women or wherever trans men are men but whether therapy would be a better alternative to transition or if transitioning should be allowed but SRS should be discouraged

cause whatver they are doing now is not working and is just coming up with more depression and death

Hormones sure, chop no. The surgeries risks outweigh the benefits that I think it should be in only the most dire situations.

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

Transgenderism is just an excuse for people that fail at the fundamental concept of being a man/woman to try and excuse themselves for being a failure rather than doing the honourable thing and becoming an hero to us all. Rather than admit that you're a pathetic, autistic soyfilled pansy that no self-respecting woman would want to be seen dead with, you instead try to claim that you're actually a woman and proceed to mutilate yourself and pump yourself full of drugs. It'd honestly be hilarious if it wasn't so pathetic.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I think modern transgenderism is the result of multiple powerful bodies finding a common goal of different reasons.

Politically, it's very effective against conservatives. It is hard to swallow flagrant degeneracy like that (men in women's bathroom), and it's a hammer that can be swung very easily against dissenters (misgendering).

Individually, it's an easy way to be liked, since modern idea of uniquness=value and nothing is more unique than a 0.01% of the populace. It's also a good way to do criminal acts without repercussions, especially sexual ones.

Corporations-wise, there's sweet money to be made from services to trannies as well as being seen as "good guys" (while making deals with China who had muslim death camps).

Civic wise, it's a new goal for a generation that doesn't have a big equality goal to fap to.

 

[Dr. Troon]

Corporations-wise, there's sweet money to be made from services to trannies as well as being seen as "good guys" (while making deals with China who had muslim death camps).

t. Blizzard sucking Chinese cock during Hong Kong protests' prime

 

[AnOminous]

Corporations-wise, there's sweet money to be made from services to trannies as well as being seen as "good guys" (while making deals with China who had muslim death camps).

Drug companies are always looking for captive markets of populations who have to take some expensive drug or collection of drugs basically forever.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Since more body hair naturally distinguishes males from females, if a guy wants to look more feminine, can't he laser his body hair off rather than take hormones? He can also use hot wax.

I just have this "thing" about artificial hormones. Our body systems have internal regulating mechanisms, and they work together like a symphony. When something goes awry naturally, such as premature ovarian failure, Kleinfelter, PCOS, hypothyroidism, other systems are affected. If they weren't, they wouldn't be considered medical issues.

I would be very wary about interfering with an otherwise functional organic system, for what amounts to cosmetic and lifestyle reasons.

Removing body hair, getting hair implants to cover male pattern baldness, feminizing facial angles through tattooing, eyebrow threading, etc. do not interfere with an in-tact, functioning system.

My personal experience, is that despite what what the trannies claim, people are pretty tolerant of this "third gender" stuff. And some are not. But permanently altering your body does not protect you from the queerbashers. Neither does propagating a bunch of propaganda about how "ciscum" is out to get you. People know, and have always known, that some people are just "like that."

 

[Pitere pit]

I had my peak trans moment when I knew what big pharma alongside trans activists do to kiddies who just happens to have some non gender confirming behaviors, like a boy wanting to have a dress or a girl playing soccer. They say that they are trans and they have to stop and mess up their puberty because they are trans.
I draw the line at trans kids, I don't care if Steve suddenly becomes Eve or Tiffany becomes Kayden, as long as they don't shit on women and lgb's rights I don't care. Of course most of modern troons are dysfunctional, but at least they are adults and know the shit that they are treating to their bodies. However, they shouldn't had that much influence on lawmaking, nobody wants to see a flopping dick on women's locker rooms ffs. For a group that almost the half of them kill themselves, they are very powerful.

Kiddies are very manipulable, we were one in our life.
I was a kid once, I remember when me and my pa were outside a bar when I was 7. I told some of his friends that I wanted to grow up like an old man, it were simpler times and they told me that I was just a lil girl, after that, I forgot all of it and ended playing with mud with another girl friend I made during this day.
But I can imagine how this would have ended if I was a child during the 10s and with progressive parents. Pa would told me that I am trans, given hormones and finally plotting killing my parents because of the damage they'd made to me. Neutered, with a myriad of health's issues, without the ability to feel my sexuality as we saw with Jazz Jennings, the asexual trans ''woman''.

That's what I feel about troons, you are an adult so you know what you are getting into, but if you hatch eggs from kiddies I will fight it with fire. No kid deserves the many diseases that a non developed puberty will bring.

 

[Mrs Paul]

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You might want to actually READ the article there, dude. Just saying.

 

[Non-Expert!]

....you are an adult so you know what you are getting into, but if you hatch eggs from kiddies I will fight it with fire. No kid deserves the many diseases that a non developed puberty will bring.

True Story:

Baby Sister (~2) and Little Boy/Big Brother (5) (seriously they respond to those names) were playing and I explained to him that they won't be little forever and Baby sister will grow up and become a woman someday, just like Mommy.

Him: a woman?
Me: yes, and maybe Baby Sister will become a Mommy too, when she grows up.
Him: I am bigger then Babysister. Baby Sister gets big, too.
Me: well yes, Men are bigger then women. Do you want Baby Sister to be a Mommy someday?
Him: I be a Mommy too.
Me: no, you can't be a Mommy because you are a boy and you will turn into a man, like Daddy.
Him: Baby Sister can't talk yet.

.... this is the level of understanding we are talking about here.

Here is another fruitful exchange, between him, and his 7 year old cousin:

Him: if you throw your arm in the fire it gets hot.
Cousin: yeah it burns.
Me: You throw anything in the fire it burns to ash.
Him and cousin: ash?
Me: see, those are ashes. Fire turns stuff into ashes.
Him: can I put my sock in the fire?
Me: only if you want to turn it into ash.
Cousin and him: when can we go to the gift shop?
Him: ... further incoherent ramblings about fire. Cousin listens intently.

This is where kids this age are at. Both are functioning at grade level, etc.

Some kids are a bit different, I admit it. There is always one little boy who chooses to play house or dressups with girls, rather than play with hot wheels. And there is always a girl who from day 1, resented being dressed in skirts and getting dolls for Christmas.

However, don't over think it. And when we impose a master-narrative about gender, and infuse everything with more meaning than children are ready to grasp, we irrevocably complicate the picture for them. Let the kids navigate this world on their own. That is the purpose of childhood really, it is a time to practice for adulthood.

 

[Lemmingwise]

You might want to actually READ the article there, dude. Just saying.

Just because you buy the victim tone hook, line and sinker doesn't mean others do.

 

[Mrs Paul]

Well, to be fair I just kinda skimmed it, but it seems more like, "hey, we need to teach our kids that LGBT EXIST, and we shouldn't be assholes to them, blah blah blah." Which, IF IT IS, your kids should be taught not to be bully people just because they're different or whatever.
The title sounded more like "let's admit it: we are trying to make our kids BE LGBT".

If I'm wrong, well, sorry about that.

 

[Non-Expert!]

Are doctors and psychologists et. al. immune to civil prosecution if they perform a roto-rooter on a 13 year old Bill, to turn him into a Billiana? When he grows up and says, "um, now I am a man trapped in the body of an infertile woman, this sucks" .... (in all the ways we've discussed here) .... can he turn around and sue and complain to the AMA?

Drug companies are always looking for captive markets of populations who have to take some expensive drug or collection of drugs basically forever.

Can the very drug companies get sued later, if complications arrise from their drug's effects? Especially if they interfered with an otherwise functional organic system, and the kid was under-aged when administered?

Also, if they do a complete switcheroo - and this person's dysphoria is not cured or made worse, what are the consequences?

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

Can the very drug companies get sued later, if complications arrise from their drug's effects? Especially if they interfered with an otherwise functional organic system, and the kid was under-aged when administered?

Also, if they do a complete switcheroo - and this person's dysphoria is not cured or made worse, what are the consequences?

Generally; no. Drugs are provided on the grounds that they "may" improve the condition, and payouts only really happen if they have a drastic side effect that occurred frequently,that the company knew about and repeatedly lied about. And even then, not always.

Thalidomide and Prozac are both good examples of this. Very few people around the world have received any form of compensation for the birth defects drug companies cause by Thalidomide, mostly on the few occasions it was mis prescribed rather than because of what it caused.

Prozac is more interesting since producers had since inception had the charge levied that Prozac was directly linked to hyper violent destructive behaviour (many mass shooters had been on the drug at the time, their behaviour believed to have worsened under the influence of the drug) which they always fiercely denied.

When the time came to patent Prozac +, one of the lead justifications to drug boards was that this version did not cause or amplify violent behaviours unlike regular Prozac; contrary to everything said before.

Big pharma is a law unto itself for the most part, you take anything they offer knowing there could well be unlisted side effects or even no effect at all.