General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

‘Front row seats to a medical scandal.’
No fucking shit, Sherlock.

‘
They all claimed they were under such immense pressure they could not properly assess patients, in what they fear may be a 'medical scandal'.
One of them has admitted that looking back, they may not have given hormone-warping drugs to all of the children they diagnosed with gender dysphoria.’

NHS 'over-prescribing hormone blocking drugs to kids young as three'

A total of 35 psychologists have resigned from the children's gender-identity service in London since 2016. Six of them claim they were under such immense pressure they could not assess patients.

www.dailymail.co.uk

http://archive.li/Otmhn

Three year olds. Anyone who’s ever spent more than five minutes with kids will know that at that age they have no real concept of gender. They’re imaginative, often insist they’re in fact a T. rex for a week. Or a rabbit.
If you’re a medic seeing a child who is experiencing distress at their sexed body you know what the first thing you should think is? It’s ‘is this child being abused?’ Not ‘hey little timmy likes his sisters doll so he’s a girl, break out the Lupron.’

Wait, why do three year olds need Lupron? I assume they just get the gender dysphoria diagnosis and will get the meds when they near puberty.

 

[Otterly]

Wait, why do three year olds need Lupron? I assume they just get the gender dysphoria diagnosis and will get the meds when they near puberty.

rhe three year olds are getting the diagnosis. Blockers are started later. The point is that once the process starts, the kid is on the pathway and being affirmed constantly. There’s no way they will then stop. We know that over 80% of kids just stop feeling this way after puberty and that’s kids who were diagnosed with GD before the madness began. I’ve seen figures for what percentage who are affirmatively treated then go on to blockers and hormones and it’s high, but let me find them and post back later.
So a diagnosis is the point the kid steps on that path, and the damage begins.

 

[Terrorist]

I’m actually very pro-trannies in the military now.

Why? Because our wars now are a bunch of doomed gay bullshit that only benefits a small group of Jews, while making Americans less safe and free than before. I’d rather have trannies and other lumpen trash die for that than normal men and women.

 

[NoSpiceLife]

Like what? What do women have access to do that men don't? Only things I can think off is lower sentencing for similar cases, particularly for statutory rape and having a good chance to have divorce court in your favour, but apart from that I don't see many things that women have access to that men don't. This isn't rhetoric: I'm really asking for things that women have access to that men don't.

I know you were replying to someone else, I think you are looking at this incorrectly, and the person you are replying to worded it incorrectly. This may appear to be off-topic, it's really not and I'll get to that at the end.

It's not that females fought to have access to things that men don't, it's that they fought to have access, full stop.

Females were possessions, what was theirs, wasn't theirs, it was their husbands. If they went to the shop and bought a lamp, it wasn't their lamp, it was their husbands lamp. If there was an issue with said lamp, they couldn't address the issue, their husband had to because the female wasn't allowed to own anything (there is an actual precedent set from this specific example).

Females fought to vote, finally getting the vote from 1893, but in the end why were they allowed to vote, it sure as hell wasn't because the suffragettes did such a good job, it was because females were seen as not capable of making decisions, therefore they would vote in whatever way their husband decreed (as an aside this is also the reason the Australian aboriginals got to vote, they were additional votes for the landowner).

Females fought for bathrooms, there were no female bathrooms anywhere, females had to wait until they got home if they were out somewhere. There are many examples of this in universities where bathrooms have been converted and females are often confused about why there are certain aspects in them, as they don't make sense, until they are made aware that they used to be male bathrooms, or they were converted closets within the male bathrooms, now separated.

This last example brings up the reason for only male bathrooms, females weren't considered intelligent enough to go to university anyway, hence no female bathrooms.

I could go on forever really, but I'll just add one more.

Female politicians, in the Senate they were 'seat warmers', wives of men who had died, and they were 'allowed' to hold the position until a more appropriate person i.e. a man could be found to replace the dead husband. There was even a story of a female senator who was barred from entered the senate, because the guard believed her to be administration staff and they were not allowed in under any circumstances.

The relevance in this discussion is that, females fought hard to get access to where they are today, to be considered equal (yes I believe that), considered intelligent 'enough' to make decisions, to run companies, to hold privileged positions that were once, and still are in a lot of cases, dominated by men.

And now with the rise of men wanting to be allowed to perform their fetish in public, females are being told to shut up, be seen and not heard, and 'allow' these men to once again put them into a position of not having a voice, not having access (eg. little girls in schools not using the bathrooms at all, boys are privileged enough to still have their own bathrooms, but now girls have to share with boys), not even being able to 'own' their own biological processes, with men taking over support groups for PCOS and miscarriage.

This is one of the two overarching affects, as to why transwomen i.e. not a woman, and definitely not a female in any sense of the word, need to be brought under control and not be allowed to influence changes in legislation (which is already too late in some countries), which will be to the detriment of females, who were once on almost equal footing with men.

 

[Have a Better Day]

My experience with trans folks has been nothing but neutral-good outside of the political sphere, just like every other cis person experience I've had. Of course, with the LGBT community being notoriously left, politics can get a little messy. But it isn't like they're some form of subhuman, and I don't mind sharing a bathroom with someone of the opposite sex because from my experience, in bathrooms and other gendered situations trans people are 100% way more afraid of you then you are of them.

It's clear to me that this isn't a choice, because some of the people I've grown up with have come out as trans and to be honest, looking back on my past with them, I can see it. The way they disregard gendered clothes aimed at them in early childhood, to when puberty hits in middle school and they're hiding in the office, crying because they were made fun of for wearing clothes and acting in ways that don't correlate with their birth sex and they don't know why it hurt more than it should've. In high school it's even worse, the halls becoming battlegrounds for insults and other hurtful remarks hurled their way. Sometimes things were actually thrown at them, from pencils to punches, and the bullying didn't stop until graduation. Of course, that's more on the extreme end.

I've been told from trans people that dysphoria is something you would not wish on your worst enemy because it's always there, in the back of your mind, always commenting on how you look and how you appear. I have been told it is like looking into a mirror and seeing everything but yourself, seeing everything you don't want to see.

I am supportive because I love my trans friends. I am supportive because I want the best for everyone who deals with this terrible condition. I am supportive because nobody's existence and struggles should be erased based on preconceived notions that are just plain wrong. Saying all of this, I cannot stand people who think it's a choice and go all "uwu softboi" while not even trying to pass because it invalidates everything these people go through.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I know you were replying to someone else, I think you are looking at this incorrectly, and the person you are replying to worded it incorrectly. This may appear to be off-topic, it's really not and I'll get to that at the end.

It's not that females fought to have access to things that men don't, it's that they fought to have access, full stop.

Females were possessions, what was theirs, wasn't theirs, it was their husbands. If they went to the shop and bought a lamp, it wasn't their lamp, it was their husbands lamp. If there was an issue with said lamp, they couldn't address the issue, their husband had to because the female wasn't allowed to own anything (there is an actual precedent set from this specific example).

Females fought to vote, finally getting the vote from 1893, but in the end why were they allowed to vote, it sure as hell wasn't because the suffragettes did such a good job, it was because females were seen as not capable of making decisions, therefore they would vote in whatever way their husband decreed (as an aside this is also the reason the Australian aboriginals got to vote, they were additional votes for the landowner).

Females fought for bathrooms, there were no female bathrooms anywhere, females had to wait until they got home if they were out somewhere. There are many examples of this in universities where bathrooms have been converted and females are often confused about why there are certain aspects in them, as they don't make sense, until they are made aware that they used to be male bathrooms, or they were converted closets within the male bathrooms, now separated.

This last example brings up the reason for only male bathrooms, females weren't considered intelligent enough to go to university anyway, hence no female bathrooms.

I could go on forever really, but I'll just add one more.

Female politicians, in the Senate they were 'seat warmers', wives of men who had died, and they were 'allowed' to hold the position until a more appropriate person i.e. a man could be found to replace the dead husband. There was even a story of a female senator who was barred from entered the senate, because the guard believed her to be administration staff and they were not allowed in under any circumstances.

The relevance in this discussion is that, females fought hard to get access to where they are today, to be considered equal (yes I believe that), considered intelligent 'enough' to make decisions, to run companies, to hold privileged positions that were once, and still are in a lot of cases, dominated by men.

And now with the rise of men wanting to be allowed to perform their fetish in public, females are being told to shut up, be seen and not heard, and 'allow' these men to once again put them into a position of not having a voice, not having access (eg. little girls in schools not using the bathrooms at all, boys are privileged enough to still have their own bathrooms, but now girls have to share with boys), not even being able to 'own' their own biological processes, with men taking over support groups for PCOS and miscarriage.

This is one of the two overarching affects, as to why transwomen i.e. not a woman, and definitely not a female in any sense of the word, need to be brought under control and not be allowed to influence changes in legislation (which is already too late in some countries), which will be to the detriment of females, who were once on almost equal footing with men.

If I had an issue with the central thesis, that's what I would have addressed. I agree, tranny's are horrible to women. Men too. A good number if not all of them have serious mental issues and anyone with metnal issues can be a handful to deal with. I can also appreciate the irony. As I said; I have no issue with the central thesis.

However with that said, I don't buy the wholesale idea of women being purely property and men being purely free. I don't buy the current feminist re-imagining of history any more than I buy the enlightenment re-imagining of the "dark ages". I guess we need our boogeymen? That if we can't believe in the devil, we instead believe in the danger of stupidity (dark ages/lack of reason). And if we can't believe in the stupidity, then instead we can believe the maliciousness of men against women.

How would one fit female rulers into that properly? How does one fit that with the number of ways that men were used as little more than slaves/serfs? (I mentioned both draft and gangpressing before).

As for the bathroom example, I suspect it is a similarly inflated issue, particularly because it would put the feminist shoulders under the transgender bathroom issue. I know my grandparents lived in houses without bathrooms; only unisex outhouses, or just using a pissing pot besides the bed. There were no showers, only bathhouses and the occasional filling of the bath (and then bathing the entire family with one water load).

I'm sure there is some kernal of truth to what you say; but I'm also sure you're not giving (or seeing the full picture). To be clear, I'm not blaming you of either deceit or smallmindedness and this sentence isn't a sarcastic one. What I'm saying is that by looking at half the picture, it's easy to draw the wrong conclusion.

To give one example of how half a picture was fairly recently used, is when Boko Haram reached international news for preventing girls from going to school in a specific. This was a huge feminist issue and led to international condemnation. The year before when the same Boko Haram killed all males over 14 in the same area hardly made the news at all.

But more importantly I take issue with historic guilt. To think women are oppressed in the west, is to live in history. I can easily name a number of legal and practical advantages that women have over men. Countries like Sweden abolished gender equality in education law the very moment the first man tried to use it (because nowadays women are overrepresented in higher education). British universities cancel talks about the male suicide epidemic and give orwellian statements where they say things like (paraphrasing): "In the future we'll focus on improving gender equality by focusing on women's issues". In the newer generations women make more money, get more opportunities and on top of that in a number of countries laws are being put in place that force companies to discriminate in favour of women.

This is why some trannies do it by the way. In the same way that some trannies use it to suddenly be succesful at sports (against biological women), there are others that use it for the special shield it offers (or they expect it to offer). After all, being transgender puts you in a protected class and it isn't hard to wield those laws against your critics. Canada and the Bill Whatcott case is a particular example of that.

But also in that it helps give some unscrupulous men access to the scholarships, training programs, coding summits and so on that are open exclusively to women.

I mean, I'd love to be wrong about this kind of thing and I love to challenge my own biases, which is why I asked; what kind of thing do men have access to that women don't? Because I can name a number of things where the reverse is true and we haven't even talked about reproductive rights.

And to tie reproductive rights back to the transgender question; that's a topic that fills me mostly with horror with the disregard with which some people design their children's lives.

 

[Thumb Butler]

Heather Peto
A long forgotten Cow that is still an official political activist for the British Labour Party
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In Italian "peto" means "fart".

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

It's clear to me that this isn't a choice, because some of the people I've grown up with have come out as trans and to be honest, looking back on my past with them, I can see it. The way they disregard gendered clothes aimed at them in early childhood, to when puberty hits in middle school and they're hiding in the office, crying because they were made fun of for wearing clothes and acting in ways that don't correlate with their birth sex and they don't know why it hurt more than it should've. In high school it's even worse, the halls becoming battlegrounds for insults and other hurtful remarks hurled their way. Sometimes things were actually thrown at them, from pencils to punches, and the bullying didn't stop until graduation. Of course, that's more on the extreme end.

I've been told from trans people that dysphoria is something you would not wish on your worst enemy because it's always there, in the back of your mind, always commenting on how you look and how you appear. I have been told it is like looking into a mirror and seeing everything but yourself, seeing everything you don't want to see.

I am supportive because I love my trans friends. I am supportive because I want the best for everyone who deals with this terrible condition. I am supportive because nobody's existence and struggles should be erased based on preconceived notions that are just plain wrong. Saying all of this, I cannot stand people who think it's a choice and go all "uwu softboi" while not even trying to pass because it invalidates everything these people go through.

You're describing feminine males experiencing distress because society shits on them for being feminine. They're victims of a form of misandry, they're not females. I doubt your friends have a "condition" at all, the way you describe them makes them sound like a male version of tomboys.

 

[Otterly]

; what kind of thing do men have access to that women don't?

bear with me on this one because I do have a point eventually.

The freesmasons, and the boys clubs.

so I’m the old crusty type of feminist that was fighting for genuine equal rights. Back when I was younger women were indeed excluded from a lot of stuff. You couldn’t get a mortgage without a male signing too. You were expected to leave your job if you were even engaged. Over time and I’d say by late 80s early 90s we’d pretty much got there. Yes you had cases of shitty discrimination but the law was there and in place to deal with it. By the mid nineties I was thinking that it was all dealt with. Jolly good, we can concentrate on the smaller stuff but by and large UK women were on an equal footing. We can all celebrate and go home.

Then trans rights happened. And suddenly quite a lot of that looks like it’s on really shaky ground and to make it worse ‘feminists’ were cheering it on. We won’t have access to places we can be free of the male gaze, where young girls can change safely. All that. Single sex spaces are important. I’m sure they’re important to men too.

anyway... so back to the masons. Because the funny thing about the gender recognition act in the UK is that it fucks over women by allowing men to access women’s places. But it has a couple of interesting exclusions - primogeniture being one and inheritance being the other. I.e transfer of real power. Still excluded.

So my point is this: that the last places women were excluded from was the places where the real power deals get done. The gentlemen’s clubs in Westminster and the masons type places. Now I’m fine with men having single sex clubs, but to have just one area where all the power is and the girls aren’t allowed in is a little bit of a different dynamic than women crashing the golf club. IMO feminists started pushing for reduction of boundaries when what they should have been pushing for is equal access to where the power is. The backlash from that has helped to fuel the ‘well this is what you wanted isnt it? ‘ attitude.
Women still can’t join the masons btw. Nor can they have membership to the clubs where The Real Business is conducted. There are no female equivalents. I don’t have an answer for how to solve that. I don’t want the masons or any club to be forced to admit women, because that’s the slippery slope that got us here. But that’s where the exclusions still are. In England anyway.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

bear with me on this one because I do have a point eventually.

The freesmasons, and the boys clubs.

so I’m the old crusty type of feminist that was fighting for genuine equal rights. Back when I was younger women were indeed excluded from a lot of stuff. You couldn’t get a mortgage without a male signing too. You were expected to leave your job if you were even engaged. Over time and I’d say by late 80s early 90s we’d pretty much got there. Yes you had cases of shitty discrimination but the law was there and in place to deal with it. By the mid nineties I was thinking that it was all dealt with. Jolly good, we can concentrate on the smaller stuff but by and large UK women were on an equal footing. We can all celebrate and go home.

Then trans rights happened. And suddenly quite a lot of that looks like it’s on really shaky ground and to make it worse ‘feminists’ were cheering it on. We won’t have access to places we can be free of the male gaze, where young girls can change safely. All that. Single sex spaces are important. I’m sure they’re important to men too.

anyway... so back to the masons. Because the funny thing about the gender recognition act in the UK is that it fucks over women by allowing men to access women’s places. But it has a couple of interesting exclusions - primogeniture being one and inheritance being the other. I.e transfer of real power. Still excluded.

So my point is this: that the last places women were excluded from was the places where the real power deals get done. The gentlemen’s clubs in Westminster and the masons type places. Now I’m fine with men having single sex clubs, but to have just one area where all the power is and the girls aren’t allowed in is a little bit of a different dynamic than women crashing the golf club. IMO feminists started pushing for reduction of boundaries when what they should have been pushing for is equal access to where the power is. The backlash from that has helped to fuel the ‘well this is what you wanted isnt it? ‘ attitude.
Women still can’t join the masons btw. Nor can they have membership to the clubs where The Real Business is conducted. There are no female equivalents. I don’t have an answer for how to solve that. I don’t want the masons or any club to be forced to admit women, because that’s the slippery slope that got us here. But that’s where the exclusions still are. In England anyway.

I was told by a mason that transmen can, in fact, join. Perhaps feminists should use that to their advantage. Cut your hair short, say you're a dude and REEEEE about transphobia if you don't get equal treatment.

There are different branches of masonry, though, so maybe the ones in England have different rules. There are also mason groups where women are allowed (the order of the eastern star comes to mind) but I doubt power deals are done there.

 

[Otterly]

I was told by a mason that transmen can, in fact, join. Perhaps feminists should use that to their advantage.

That’s interesting because I’d heard the opposite. If a bloke troons out he can stay but women can’t join and neither can trans men. Of course saying that transmen can join is one thing and one actually joining is another. You need to be nominated and you wouldn’t want to be blackballed by nominating someone who ‘shouldn’t’ join.
Any masons here who can confirm one way or another? Are any transmen members?

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

That’s interesting because I’d heard the opposite. If a bloke troons out he can stay but women can’t join and neither can trans men. Of course saying that transmen can join is one thing and one actually joining is another. You need to be nominated and you wouldn’t want to be blackballed by nominating someone who ‘shouldn’t’ join.
Any masons here who can confirm one way or another? Are any transmen members?

It might just be a local thing. My local masons are basically just grandpas who meet, eat Arby's and talk about golf so they probably wouldn't have issues allowing trannies within their ranks.

Edit: the English masons are letting trannies in too, but cis women still can't join LOL.

English Freemasons Open the Door to Transgender Members

The all-male group in England and Wales says that male members who have transitioned to female can remain, and transgender men can join.

www.nytimes.com

A woman can be a mason if she joined as a man, the society has announced, and a man can join the masons if he used to live as a woman.

If you really want to be a lady mason in England you could probably pretend troon out, join as a "man", pretend detransition and keep living as you normally would. You'd just need to find a mason willing to invite you in. I bet this loophole was created by people who wanted to invite their wives but couldn't because some boomers are sticklers about tradition.

My mason buddy says that the USA has different rules. MTFs get kicked out but FTMs will sometimes be allowed to join because no one knows what to do with them. They get kicked out if they detransition though.

 

[soft breathing]

You're describing feminine males experiencing distress because society shits on them for being feminine. They're victims of a form of misandry, they're not females. I doubt your friends have a "condition" at all, the way you describe them makes them sound like a male version of tomboys.

I agree with you on this so much. Starting from when I was in my (pre)teens until today I've never dressed like society wants me to only because of my biological gender. I also don't act like it. Or have the interests I 'should' have.

There was a time in my life where I was crying my eyes out because I was "different" than others. It got as far as me getting into trouble with my friends' parents at sleepover since they didn't believe I was the same gender as their kid. And thought we'd have sexy time when everyone was asleep.... fun times.

If I had more 'woke' parents, I'd probably be transsexual by now and feel miserable. But they've always just regarded it as it is: A character trait. It helped me accept who I am and just tell society to fuck off with their stupid standards I don't feel like sticking to.

Do I have problems nowadays finding/holding a proper job, interacting with other people, keeping friendships or a relationship even tho I don't act like my biological gender? No. Nothing.

I am just not sold on the idea that so many people are getting bullied at a certain age by their peers solely for being a 'feminine man' or a 'tomboyish female'. At some point most adults around you just stop giving a shit. And the ones you don't? Why listen to them in the first place?

 

[Have a Better Day]

You're describing feminine males experiencing distress because society shits on them for being feminine. They're victims of a form of misandry, they're not females. I doubt your friends have a "condition" at all, the way you describe them makes them sound like a male version of tomboys.

I respect your opinion and can agree to an extent (even though it's pretty split between MTFs and FTMs). Trans people understand that they will never be truly be male or female, as denying this, whoever you are, is denying reality. Western society does indeed have a problem with either expression, masc or fem, depending on where you are and can have an effect as you described. However, being around trans and cis people often, I know that these people want the best for themselves. I can understand where you are coming from, but I've also had conversations with medical doctors (including therapists, psychiatrists, as well as those who work in hospitals and clinics) and it's a pretty firm consensus that what actual trans people experience is real, and a real issue (but it might be because I live in a liberal area ) It's confusing to me a little bit, but going through what I myself have experienced as a minority I can sympathize.

Perhaps I'll change my opinion in a later date, I don't know. Navigating this LGBT thing can be confusing, but nevertheless my friends are my friends for a reason, and I will support them until they've proven to me that they're not worthy of my support. Have a good day

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

I respect your opinion and can agree to an extent (even though it's pretty split between MTFs and FTMs). Trans people understand that they will never be truly be male or female, as denying this, whoever you are, is denying reality. Western society does indeed have a problem with either expression, masc or fem, depending on where you are and can have an effect as you described. However, being around trans and cis people often, I know that these people want the best for themselves. I can understand where you are coming from, but I've also had conversations with medical doctors (including therapists, psychiatrists, as well as those who work in hospitals and clinics) and it's a pretty firm consensus that what actual trans people experience is real, and a real issue (but it might be because I live in a liberal area ) It's confusing to me a little bit, but going through what I myself have experienced as a minority I can sympathize.

Perhaps I'll change my opinion in a later date, I don't know. Navigating this LGBT thing can be confusing, but nevertheless my friends are my friends for a reason, and I will support them until they've proven to me that they're not worthy of my support. Have a good day

I support them too if they admit that they are their birth sex. They should probably drop the trans label, though, since it implies they're trying to be something they're not. Denial of reality isn't healthy.

A lot of transpeople are nice, but you must remember that there are also plenty of nice scientologists, antivaxxers and literal nazis out there. Being their friend and respecting them as people doesn't mean you ought to support their ideology.

 

[Otterly]

It doesn’t matter if they’re nice. What they want will cause serious harm to women and children. There are lots of really nice religious people, but we don’t have state enforced religion and blasphemy laws because we aren’t (yet) a basket case theocracy. We can’t have enforced speech and thought on gender because that is in effect a blasphemy law.
We can’t have self ID because it will make all places and spaces mixed sex. Most men are perfectly nice, but we still dont want men as a class in bathrooms, your twelve year old daughter’s gym class changing room, women’s prisons or shelters.
The fact that most men are nice is irrelevant. The fact that some transwomen are nice is irrelevant. All that matters is that men, as a class, are excluded from some places for reasons of safety, privacy and dignity. We can’t have exceptions because it can’t work, you let one man in you have to let them all in. Sex segregated spaces need to exist - not many, but where they are there they exist for very good reason.
I m not religious but I support my religious friends’ freedom of religion. If they were trying to enforce their beliefs on me it’d be a very different story, regardless of how nice they were.

 

[Pope Fucker]

Transgender categories:

1. They were molested/sexually abused and hate their bodies because of it
2. They've a porn addiction that has rewired their brain into wanting to live their fetishes
3. They don't fit into their gender role and have a problem with it
4. They're homosexual and hate it because of internalized homophobia
5. They've a mental disorder that makes them want to get rid of their genitals like BIID

None of this means they're the opposite sex.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

Transgender categories:

1. They were molested/sexually abused and hate their bodies because of it
2. They've a porn addiction that has rewired their brain into wanting to live their fetishes
3. They don't fit into their gender role and have a problem with it
4. They're homosexual and hate it because of internalized homophobia
5. They've a mental disorder that makes them want to get rid of their genitals like BIID

None of this means they're the opposite sex.

You forgot:
6. The tumblrites that use being a tranny as a fashion statement. They crossdress and think it means they're the opposite sex.
7. The Jonathan Yaniv types who troon out to see titties and gain access to little girls.

Anyways, your post reminded me of this chart:

 

[Pope Fucker]

You forgot:
6. The tumblrites that use being a tranny as a fashion statement. They crossdress and think it means they're the opposite sex.
7. The Jonathan Yaniv types who troon out to see titties and gain access to little girls.

Anyways, your post reminded me of this chart:
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Troon bingo:

1. They were molested/sexually abused and hate their bodies because of it
2. They've a porn addiction that has rewired their brain into wanting to live their fetishes
3. They don't fit into their gender role and have a problem with it
4. They're homosexual and hate it because of internalized homophobia
5. They've a mental disorder that makes them want to get rid of their genitals like BIID
6. They're a crossdresser that uses being trans as a fashion statement
7. They're a pervert playing the system to creep on others
8. They fake being trans online to boss others around or e-beg
9. They're on the spectrum

Anything else?

 

[Lemmingwise]

1. They were molested/sexually abused and hate their bodies because of it
2. They've a porn addiction that has rewired their brain into wanting to live their fetishes
3. They don't fit into their gender role and have a problem with it
4. They're homosexual and hate it because of internalized homophobia
5. They've a mental disorder that makes them want to get rid of their genitals like BIID
6. They're a crossdresser that uses being trans as a fashion statement
7. They're a pervert playing the system to creep on others
8. They fake being trans online to boss others around or e-beg
9. They're on the spectrum

1. They're an incel and it allows them to self-sexualise as if it's another female
2. They're an incel and it allows to to have sex with other tranny's (there was one in a thread recently who defended it for that reason, I think it was called "tranny-maxing")
3. They want the oppression points and attention
4. If they were allowed to play in special olympics they would to win, but instead they'll settle for dominating the women's competition.