Horrorcow Kristina Paige Klein / Krissy Klein / Klein Journey of Hope - Fundie Christian mom, turns her daughters into frankendolls with repeated brain surgeries, either MbP or worst case of taking dr's advice ever

[cuddle striker]

let's hear the dish.

I love it when an abuser gets busted. you can tell what kind they are by the reaction; this SCREAMS MbP, and not for "wholesome" reasons (such as actual mental illness or delusions), but for malingering, sadism and delight in attention/narcissism. the worst of the worst.

they're hard to catch, it takes time, but once the alarm is raised there's really strict monitoring. I'll bet every doctor has new forms for her to sign- every damn one will include a consent to film/recording from now on. they'll be watching closely when she's with the kids- how and when they get sick and if they're echoing her words or coming up with their own, if she's coaching them, if they get sicker in her presence.

it's a real pain in the ass, a giant drain of resources to bust these people, but it's worth it, the kids are worth it.

look at the Schofields. it takes time.

edit; I just realized there have already been suspicions voiced to her, which means she's already signed the right to record, they're already amassing evidence. people keep it under wraps until they've got something solid. once in a while a too-sympathetic nurse or younger doc will try to "convince the parent to stop" right before they fuck up enough to get actually caught in the act. it sucks and it sets everything back, but the urge to try and fix these people- it's common, until you've dealt with the aftermath of a case or two. then you stop, and you want them caught faster. they'll never quit on their own.

double edit:

Stalked by a so called friend?

More like people and doctors were on to her.
Hence the sudden move (that they couldn't pay for themselves) to another state.

relocation is a hallmark sign of MbP in all diagnosed cases.

I can't quote the right image for some reason, but @large_farva she also has claimed the girls can't tolerate pain medication.

this is another hallmark. it's what we call pathognomic, an absolute indicator. if the kids don't suffer, there's no payoff emotionally.

 

[DimensionalMergeEnthusias]

Yep. My inbox says there's people who want to dish about Krissy.

What's preventing them?

 

[large_farva]

let's hear the dish.

I love it when an abuser gets busted. you can tell what kind they are by the reaction; this SCREAMS MbP, and not for "wholesome" reasons (such as actual mental illness or delusions), but for malingering, sadism and delight in attention/narcissism. the worst of the worst.

they're hard to catch, it takes time, but once the alarm is raised there's really strict monitoring. I'll bet every doctor has new forms for her to sign- every damn one will include a consent to film/recording from now on. they'll be watching closely when she's with the kids- how and when they get sick and if they're echoing her words or coming up with their own, if she's coaching them, if they get sicker in her presence.

it's a real pain in the ass, a giant drain of resources to bust these people, but it's worth it, the kids are worth it.

look at the Schofields. it takes time.

edit; I just realized there have already been suspicions voiced to her, which means she's already signed the right to record, they're already amassing evidence. people keep it under wraps until they've got something solid. once in a while a too-sympathetic nurse or younger doc will try to "convince the parent to stop" right before they fuck up enough to get actually caught in the act. it sucks and it sets everything back, but the urge to try and fix these people- it's common, until you've dealt with the aftermath of a case or two. then you stop, and you want them caught faster. they'll never quit on their own.

double edit:


relocation is a hallmark sign of MbP in all diagnosed cases.

I can't quote the right image for some reason, but @large_farva she also has claimed the girls can't tolerate pain medication.

this is another hallmark. it's what we call pathognomic, an absolute indicator. if the kids don't suffer, there's no payoff emotionally.

What's preventing them?

As far as the tea, I can't force it out of people so I'm waiting.
And before anything gets posted to the thread, people must be verified.
--- if you have something to share about the Klein's, please use the Talk to Staff link directly above the post reply box to get verified.

Krissy announced the GA move well before the MbP accusation with Haleigh over Christmas 2018. I highly doubt that was a spontaneous intervention and more like a case was being built, Krissy knew back when they decided to move and they just didn't get away fast enough.

As for Krissy saying the kids couldn't take pain meds, I am not sure. If it's about the pain clinic thing, they gave Avee Marinol but wouldn't give Haleigh anything. I don't think it was because either of them couldn't take meds, it was because they wouldn't give them out - but again, this is what Krissy says, and she can make up whatever she wants.

Spoiler: different tea, same flavor

The story is HORRIFIC and yes, starts with a 3 year old kid who had nothing wrong with her, but sure, docs decided to sedate her for an MRI then do brain surgery. Here's their story, see if you can find all the red flags, it's like a highlights magazine game but more disturbing.

5 brain surgeries by 2016 - starting at age 3, she was asymptomatic


And just two and half years later, surgery count is 23


Surgery count 30


I think currently, the count is at 34 for this one kid.

And guess who they're friends with!??!?!

 

[Chamulum]

Whenever people say shit how it's the biological imperative for women to have kids and get married ASAP I think this of this. Thanks. I want to vomit now.

 

[cuddle striker]

As far as the tea, I can't force it out of people so I'm waiting.
And before anything gets posted to the thread, people must be verified.
--- if you have something to share about the Klein's, please use the Talk to Staff link directly above the post reply box to get verified.

Krissy announced the GA move well before the MbP accusation with Haleigh over Christmas 2018. I highly doubt that was a spontaneous intervention and more like a case was being built, Krissy knew back when they decided to move and they just didn't get away fast enough.

As for Krissy saying the kids couldn't take pain meds, I am not sure. If it's about the pain clinic thing, they gave Avee Marinol but wouldn't give Haleigh anything. I don't think it was because either of them couldn't take meds, it was because they wouldn't give them out - but again, this is what Krissy says, and she can make up whatever she wants.

Spoiler: different tea, same flavor

The story is HORRIFIC and yes, starts with a 3 year old kid who had nothing wrong with her, but sure, docs decided to sedate her for an MRI then do brain surgery. Here's their story, see if you can find all the red flags, it's like a highlights magazine game but more disturbing.

5 brain surgeries by 2016 - starting at age 3, she was asymptomatic
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And just two and half years later, surgery count is 23
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Surgery count 30
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I think currently, the count is at 34 for this one kid.

And guess who they're friends with!?‽‽
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in your last info post, one of the images is her stating one of the kids "can't tolerate narcotics". she's excusing the use of a binky by admitting the child isn't being treated for pain- trust me, they may not hand out pain meds to adults, but they are VERY much going to control children's pain because these cases are hard enough to see already (legitimate or not)

 

[large_farva]

in your last info post, one of the images is her stating one of the kids "can't tolerate narcotics". she's excusing the use of a binky by admitting the child isn't being treated for pain- trust me, they may not hand out pain meds to adults, but they are VERY much going to control children's pain because these cases are hard enough to see already (legitimate or not)

Ah, yes, the bink, you were right. Before the first surgery the storyline is she can't tolerate narcotics. Not sure what a 6 year old needs narcotics for, but ok. And after, she seemed to tolerate what they gave her at the hospital.

Wed morning saw a lot of new members. One of them just posted in the munchie thread. Hard to tell if they're from IF or joined because of Krissy. She deleted a lot of friends, archived her group but damn made sure to leave that paypal dot me up.

Some smart people might deactivate their account until after she's done freaking out. Hmmm

 

[cuddle striker]

Ah, yes, the bink, you were right. Before the first surgery the storyline is she can't tolerate narcotics. Not sure what a 6 year old needs narcotics for, but ok. And after, she seemed to tolerate what they gave her at the hospital.
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"she can't have strong pain meds and she shouldn't take weaker ones"= no pain control after surgeries, kid gets to suffer.

I'm sure she's in a lot of pain, brain surgery has after effects. at hospital she was definitely given opiates/oids during and after surgery. in absence of a doctor-documented allergy, that's a certain thing. therefore yes- her stomach can tolerate them. she just doesn't want them to have any relief, it would

1. disrupt her narrative that they need more surgeries
AND
2. not give her satisfaction for her sadism

 

[drain]

Ok Krissy, since you're probably reading (or having someone sending you screnshoots/links) please write the list of reasons you're not mistreating your children, as you said you could write if you wanted. Please do it. Saying you're ''too tired'' or that ''nobody will listen'' is a lie, because everyone know how you're prone to write big walls of text, and we very much will listen to you. People who have nothing to hide would rush at the opportunity to clear things up, wouldn't they?

Also, nobody is stalkering you. You posted, with your own hands on your public facebook profile, about how much you and your kids are suffering from medical issues, ''rare medical issues'', so naturally people would become curious and follow your updates. But the thing is, people with two braincells to rub together started to notice some holes in your stories or how some things you said didn't add up or match actual real medical diagnoses. Because, you know, contrary of you and your kids, there's people out there with real illness, real suffering that sadly won't get as half as the attention you got, maybe because they're not cute little kidses or because they live in a place where people aren't so kind.

You're a liar and an abuser, but as people have already said here, you won't seek help because you're delusional. So stop pretending WE are making up stories about your little abused family when the reality is much, much more uglier than that and you know why.

 

[Barbarella]

Just a gentle reminder to our new friends here that one of our rules is not to engage with the people we discuss in any way. We don’t post on their walls, send them messages or do anything to talk to them, no matter how angry you feel.

You cannot talk a person out of their mental illness, and all that sort of contact does is make them hide. It’s much more helpful to archive their posts and point out what they are doing here, in this thread. That way, it’s all here for any authority who wants it.

I’ve no doubt that our Scofield thread was helpful in getting the kids removed, in that certain family members and TV producers got to see all the videos that Susan posted of her abuse, even after she took it down. The threads usually end up on the first page of google too, so people who are curious can easily find the story. So talk and archive here, but let Krissy be.

Stay safe and have fun.

 

[SituationTypeThing]

"she can't have strong pain meds and she shouldn't take weaker ones"= no pain control after surgeries, kid gets to suffer.

I'm sure she's in a lot of pain, brain surgery has after effects. at hospital she was definitely given opiates/oids during and after surgery. in absence of a doctor-documented allergy, that's a certain thing. therefore yes- her stomach can tolerate them. she just doesn't want them to have any relief, it would

1. disrupt her narrative that they need more surgeries
AND
2. not give her satisfaction for her sadism

Now that I think about it, saying her stomach doesn't tolerate narcotics is even dumber than it was on first glance. Many people's stomachs don't do well on narcotics. Opiates can have harsh side effects that are minor compared to the pain they're treating. It's like many people puke after anesthesia (or even local anesthesia) and saying "oh, she can't be anesthetized, she had to be awake/un-numbed because her stomach can't tolerate it." No, you prepare with a puke tray for when they wake up, or with antacids or stool softeners or whatever the problem is that's caused by this very necessary part of a procedure.

This demented woman, and all the enablers, sympathizers or like minded mbp moms, makes me want to scream. I'm not all "take the kids away" because I don't know if that's best in all situations (it certainly was for the schofield kids), but I agree with whoever suggested that the best remedy for this family was a GAL appointed for the kids to be part of medical decisions.

ETA: I'd like to see Krissy have to see a court-appointed mental health professional regularly, too. Can someone like this be rehabilitated? Because I would be extremely satisfied if, after intense therapy, she recognized what she did and had to live with the guilt for the rest of her life, while also accepting that her kids' medical decisions would never be within her control again so long as they're minors.

 

[Erica_Kane]

As far as the tea, I can't force it out of people so I'm waiting.
And before anything gets posted to the thread, people must be verified.
--- if you have something to share about the Klein's, please use the Talk to Staff link directly above the post reply box to get verified.

Krissy announced the GA move well before the MbP accusation with Haleigh over Christmas 2018. I highly doubt that was a spontaneous intervention and more like a case was being built, Krissy knew back when they decided to move and they just didn't get away fast enough.

As for Krissy saying the kids couldn't take pain meds, I am not sure. If it's about the pain clinic thing, they gave Avee Marinol but wouldn't give Haleigh anything. I don't think it was because either of them couldn't take meds, it was because they wouldn't give them out - but again, this is what Krissy says, and she can make up whatever she wants.

Spoiler: different tea, same flavor

The story is HORRIFIC and yes, starts with a 3 year old kid who had nothing wrong with her, but sure, docs decided to sedate her for an MRI then do brain surgery. Here's their story, see if you can find all the red flags, it's like a highlights magazine game but more disturbing.

5 brain surgeries by 2016 - starting at age 3, she was asymptomatic
View attachment 1092179

And just two and half years later, surgery count is 23
View attachment 1092180

Surgery count 30
View attachment 1092178

I think currently, the count is at 34 for this one kid.

And guess who they're friends with!?‽‽
View attachment 1092183

My heart broke into a million pieces. Small PL my son does have chiari and tethered cord (no surgeries) and we have been told various things. I think looking at some of these groups and moms like this you can second guess if your kid is suffering by NOT doing surgery. It's sick. The encouragement to go see these quacks is prevelant. You should have seen a recent botched chiari surgery pic on an adult. It was frightening.

"she can't have strong pain meds and she shouldn't take weaker ones"= no pain control after surgeries, kid gets to suffer.

I'm sure she's in a lot of pain, brain surgery has after effects. at hospital she was definitely given opiates/oids during and after surgery. in absence of a doctor-documented allergy, that's a certain thing. therefore yes- her stomach can tolerate them. she just doesn't want them to have any relief, it would

1. disrupt her narrative that they need more surgeries
AND
2. not give her satisfaction for her sadism

One thing that patients who have decompression talk about is how awful they feel. Having a mom who takes glee in that... what the hell. The Zipperversary posts are just OTT.

 

[cuddle striker]

Now that I think about it, saying her stomach doesn't tolerate narcotics is even dumber than it was on first glance. Many people's stomachs don't do well on narcotics. Opiates can have harsh side effects that are minor compared to the pain they're treating. It's like many people puke after anesthesia (or even local anesthesia) and saying "oh, she can't be anesthetized, she had to be awake/un-numbed because her stomach can't tolerate it." No, you prepare with a puke tray for when they wake up, or with antacids or stool softeners or whatever the problem is that's caused by this very necessary part of a procedure.

This demented woman, and all the enablers, sympathizers or like minded mbp moms, makes me want to scream. I'm not all "take the kids away" because I don't know if that's best in all situations (it certainly was for the schofield kids), but I agree with whoever suggested that the best remedy for this family was a GAL appointed for the kids to be part of medical decisions.

ETA: I'd like to see Krissy have to see a court-appointed mental health professional regularly, too. Can someone like this be rehabilitated? Because I would be extremely satisfied if, after intense therapy, she recognized what she did and had to live with the guilt for the rest of her life, while also accepting that her kids' medical decisions would never be within her control again so long as they're minors.

with MbP removal from the abuser is the ONLY solution and is often a matter of life and death/incapacitation.

 

[large_farva]

with MbP removal from the abuser is the ONLY solution and is often a matter of life and death/incapacitation.

I suggested a GAL to oversee medical decisions because of .... something something nice house and gawd. But I take that back, Krissy will never stop trying to get more medical intervention for her children. The lies will never stop.
Hope that husband of hers steps up and puts a stop to this before one of the kids die.

Both girls have permanent damage to their bodies from the trauma of the surgeries alone, in addition to hardware and infections that mommy says will never go away. They could also have damage to other organs - kidney/liver, from all the heavy antibiotics.
And krissy delights in repeating how badly Avee has suffered and that she has permanent damage to her brainstem, while smiling and singing "happy zipperversary!!!"

Did she mention anyone calling her a Breast Cancer faker in her posts?

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- also quick question, how long are you supposed to keep a neck brace on after decompression surgery? Krissy left them on so long that both girls had muscle atrophy in their neck - was she gunning for a CCI dx and more surgery for that? Or did she not listen to doctors about how long to leave the collars on. Just seems extreme, so I would like to hear some input from someone with more knowledge.

Isn't PT part of the recovery from decompression surgery, requiring some time out of the neck braces to prevent muscle atrophy? It seems pointless to do a decompression surgery then purposely leave on a neck brace and end up with muscle atrophy.

@Barbarella - thanks for the gentle reminder, but sadly, it's a bit late. People have understandably become enraged reading this and taken action in the form of facebook harassment. I would like to add a reminder as well, it is harassment to go say nasty shit on her facebook. This is a gossip forum, readers need to keep that in mind and keep the comments here. Earn yourself a fancy tophat or make a meaningful contribution to the thread.


Last note- I am compiling a list of the reddest of the red flags. If there's a screenshot you think should be included, please inbox me so i can add it. I want anyone coming her from her facebook to see what we see.

The person in my inbox was probably Krissy and company trying to play games, so no tea.
Do find it cute how- if it was her- she happily threw another Chiari mom under the bus.

 

[Fattyroad]

The person in my inbox was probably Krissy and company trying to play games, so no tea.
Do find it cute how- if it was her- she happily threw another Chiari mom under the bus.

Post them anyway. Sounds interesting enough.

 

[large_farva]

Unspoilered post, it was hidden at the end of another post.

I'm unsure who was messaging me, but they never said much beyond they donated, were disappointed when Krissy only ever spoke to them when they needed something and that the thread was making it's way through the Chiari community. They dished the name of this other woman who was worse than Krissy.



The story is HORRIFIC and yes, starts with a 3 year old kid who had nothing wrong with her, but sure, docs decided to sedate her for an MRI then do brain surgery. Here's their story, see if you can find all the red flags, it's like a highlights magazine game but nightmare fuel.

5 brain surgeries by 2016 - starting at age 3, she was asymptomatic

And just two and half years later, surgery count is 23


Surgery count 30


I think currently, the count is at 34 for this one kid.

And guess who they're friends with!?‽‽


(edit - had to fix the pics)

 

[Otterly]

This is horrendous. Those poor kids.
I know the NHS and other single provider systems have their issues but they do have one quite strong deterrent against this in that your medical records are held by one entity and are accessible by any doc treating you (although some countries in Europe are much better at this than others. Sweden for example has everything online and you can access it yourself.) it must cut down doctor shopping a lot.

Doctors of young children rely heavily on parents reporting. You ever tried to get a young kid to tell you something? They’re all drama queens,

or the opposite sometimes. The kid who comes in with a broken arm and says ‘nothing’ when you ask them what’s up. Kids either way swing between painfully honest and recounting every embarrassing detail and random flights of fantasy. Very young children are not consistently reliable narrators though.

Can anyone explain why more of their doctors aren’t suspicious of their situation?

as above, doctor shopping is a big problem. Medics have to rely to an extent on what they are told. They can report suspicions but their job is to treat.
I think also that these odd rare conditions like Chiari attract Mavericks. doctors aren’t immune from being egotists, or outright messianic complex types. For people like that, setting yourself up as an expert in something like Chiari gives you a blank cheque for a number of things - less scrutiny because the parents are actively driving the treatment need. The ability to literally experiment on kids. Money. Etc.
This is horrific stuff and I agree with those saying earlier that the kids symptoms are similar to those in homes with abuse. Kids who are stressed for any reason (even things where the parents are loving and caring, such as a parent themselves being ill, death of a grandparent, bullying at school etc) tend to get tummy aches and headaches and bed wetting and refusal to eat are signs of anxiety. As for one kid’s migraines - well they can be stress too. Also fucking around with your spinal cord or anything that changes the flow of CSF can cause excruciating headaches.
And sorry for the A logging but fucks sale CPS, what the fuck are you playing at.

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

That doctor likes destroying the brains of adorable little girls. He's a sicko, guaranteed he gets off on it like a lot of the old lobotomy docs.

 

[Otterly]

That doctor likes destroying the brains of adorable little girls. He's a sicko, guaranteed he gets off on it like a lot of the old lobotomy docs.

Unfortunately it’s possible he does. That’s one reason you don’t see the mbp mums go for conditions that are mundane (but can still be serious) like asthma or eczema. They avoid any situation where they’d be seen by a group of doctors, a specialist clinic in a big hospital, conditions which have simple diagnostic criteria etc. The abuse is enabled by these maverick docs working on the edges, away from ward rounds, group discussions etc.

 

[Rescuetoast]

Unfortunately it’s possible he does. That’s one reason you don’t see the mbp mums go for conditions that are mundane (but can still be serious) like asthma or eczema. They avoid any situation where they’d be seen by a group of doctors, a specialist clinic in a big hospital, conditions which have simple diagnostic criteria etc. The abuse is enabled by these maverick docs working on the edges, away from ward rounds, group discussions etc.

You still see some munchies who try to fake things that can be diagnosed with a blood test or something. usually it’s pretty easy to pick them out of a crowd cuz they start making shit up/don’t have any idea what you mean as soon as you start asking them questions that anyone with the real diagnosis would know the answer to (what are his levels, etc)

 

[Comandante Marcos]

Sorry not sorry but a trip to that hell known as Disneyland/World is a WANT not a NEED. smgfh

She's mentioned ending it all a few times. I hope she doesn't drive these kids off a cliff when/if the heat gets hotter.

Shit, I forgot about that one, don't even remember their names, lesbo couple had six adopted kids for the whole "rainbow family" thing and kept moving whenever people started assembling the pieces. One of their kids hugged a cop at some BLM rally and the pic went viral, then the entire fucking internet started rooting around in their lives. In the end, all eight of them were packed into a SUV and drove off an ocean cliff in northwest California in the middle of the night. Somebody camping nearby said they heard the car go over, complete with screaming kids. In a case like that one can only hope for an afterlife of perfect justice. The positive is that the kids will no longer be suffering, at least.

Fuck, MbP psychos make me so fucking pissed, I'm wiping tears right now. How the fuck could a mom do that to her own flesh and blood, and claim to be a fucking CHRISTIAN at the same fucking time? Remember Jesus saying "As you did it to the least of them, you did it to Me."???? Jani and Bodhi got lucky, although Bodhi in particular will likely always be in a mental fog or something. The worst case is minivan over a cliff.