Containment Official Decision Regarding Gender and Chris/Gender Discussion Megathread

[Rupin]

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There's a catholic hospital in my town. They are getting shit thrown at them for not offering sex changes and not calling people by the correct pronouns. They kept getting lawsuits over it. doctors just care about money. there's no surgeon alive that would agree to the idea that a sex change is a good idea. however, money talks, so they are okay with it as long as they don't get sued.

ive noticed that when I talk to zoomers that the pronoun thing is heavy on their minds. A lot of them ask what pronouns do you go by when they introduce themselves. I find that pretty strange since I was never raised with that stuff.

 

[Trilby]

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ive notice that when I talk to zoomers that the pronoun thing is heavy on their minds. A lot of them ask what pronoun do you go by when they introduce themselves. I find that pretty strange since I was never raised with that stuff.

Me neither. This is just absurd and ridiculous. This is not the way normal people work.

 

[Mason Verger]

Ive noticed that when I talk to zoomers that the pronoun thing is heavy on their minds. A lot of them ask what pronouns do you go by when they introduce themselves. I find that pretty strange since I was never raised with that stuff.

It really is bizarre to see zoomers qualify their social media descriptions with “he/him, she/her” unironically, and these are regular hetero kids that don’t actually deal with misgendering issues. And yet it’s the first thing listed in there bios. “I go by he/him”, yeah, no shit Kyle, my fucking eyeballs work.

I don’t know if I dislike it because it’s trendy virtue signally or because the norm for the future will be the majority confirming to the will of the vocal minority.

 

[Cardboard Box Mountain]

Me neither. This is just absurd and ridiculous. This is not the way normal people work.

I get this question too. I'm not someone like Chris where you might actually wonder what they expect to be called. The dress and the tits should clue you in.

 

[dirtydeanna96]

I get this question too. I'm not someone like Chris where you might actually wonder what they expect to be called. The dress and the tits should clue you in.

"Christine" wears a skirt, and has tits.

 

[Cardboard Box Mountain]

"Christine" wears a skirt, and has tits.

I was avoiding being overly specific... Maybe I should say "indisputably female configuration." Which Chris does *not* have.

 

[UnKillFill]

I was avoiding being overly specific... Maybe I should say "indisputably female configuration." Which Chris does *not* have.

To be fair to Chris, despite obviously being male he isn't particularly masculine either.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

"Christine" wears a skirt, and has tits.

Fat rednecks also have tits, but I don't call them women

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

This makes me think that a lot of doctors in the US are covering their asses, doing the minimum. There's also the FDA to contend with (very restrictive) and the doctors are always terrified of lawsuits.

That's interesting about the liver processing. Patches etc are available in the USA but I don't know for sure the FDA imposed dosage limits on anything other than pills for the older set because that's all the doc explained and for that matter she may have over simplified and presented it as the limit for everyone. Pills are convenient so a lot of older women default to them. Young women with hormonal issues over here usually get birth control pills as a treatment unless they are trying to get pregnant.

When you consider that Chris has high blood pressure, that would be a legitimate reason to not go up on the dosage for him, right? Doctors here are always going on about clots and strokes.

This isn't the first time I've been made incredibly skeptical about the state of medicine in this country.

The problem with the US is that like the UK and a lot of the parts of Europe it's beholden to big entities that make that rules based on experiments with small controls. Insurance companies and doctors bow down to the AMA, FDA, and large drug companies, which are more concerned with profits as opposed to therapeutic results and oftentimes actual safety. For instance, my son has a congenital condition where his immune system attacks his adrenal glands. This affects the production of cortisol, which is very difficult to control wtih quick-release pills. There's a CR pill for this in Eruope, which he is using now, but in the states, it hasn't gotten approval by the FDA because it's not that lucrative for drug companies, but I'm sure the FDA will never admit this, maybe in 20 years or so. This drug is allowed under an orphan drug status in the states, which is another can of worms entirely. There are some advantages to the FDA though, for instance, in some parts of Europe heroin is still used in extreme cases. There's also a drug used heavily in the UK by trannies and sex offenders to block testosterone, which has led to suicide and other extreme side effects that is not approved in the US.

There were a lot of weird experiments going on with HRT and synthetic HRT for breast growth going on in Europe in the earlier part of the last century, which obviously didn't work. Anywhoo, there is one other option for estrogen and progesterone, which includes pellets inserted under the skin. From what I understand, it's still somewhat new in the US, but there are doctors who do it in more metropolitan areas.

 

[ScrappyLobsterchu]

It really is bizarre to see zoomers qualify their social media descriptions with “he/him, she/her” unironically, and these are regular hetero kids that don’t actually deal with misgendering issues. And yet it’s the first thing listed in there bios. “I go by he/him”, yeah, no shit Kyle, my fucking eyeballs work.

I don’t know if I dislike it because it’s trendy virtue signally or because the norm for the future will be the majority confirming to the will of the vocal minority.

I feel like CWC is outside the normal trans person discussion. Because his case is so specific and his history surrounding the female half of the human species is so vast and his ideals about gender are so warped. It's kinda hard to compare his case to another trans persons, at least to me.

 

[The American Hedgehog]

I feel like CWC is outside the normal trans person discussion. Because his case is so specific and his history surrounding the female half of the human species is so vast and his ideals about gender are so warped. It's kinda hard to compare his case to another trans persons, at least to me.

I dunno, I think Chris's case is basically similar to average trans people. They identify as a different gender than their biological one, express it by changing their appearance, want people to call them by preferred pronouns, etc.

 

[Chamulum]

To be fair to Chris, despite obviously being male he isn't particularly masculine either.

The guy has a rack perkier than mine for God's sake.

 

[Mason Verger]

the normal trans person discussion

I’ma go ahead and stop ya right there..

To be fair to Chris, despite obviously being male he isn't particularly masculine either.

Honestly, Chris does pass better than most trannies featured here, at least from a distance. The only problem is, while he thinks he passes as this:


He actually passes as this:

 

[ScrappyLobsterchu]

I dunno, I think Chris's case is basically similar to average trans people. They identify as a different gender than their biological one, express it by changing their appearance, want people to call them by preferred pronouns, etc.

I dunno, I think Chris's case is basically similar to average trans people. They identify as a different gender than their biological one, express it by changing their appearance, want people to call them by preferred pronouns, etc.

Maybe on the surface they're similar, but I think the rationale is different. Most trans people don't do complete 180's on their views on gender roles. Most trans people haven't been trolled by fake female personas for years. Most trans people don't try to cut their taint open.

I think that Chris has an autistic fixation on gender that makes him want to take on a Mary Sue female personas. And I'm not sure if you can say the same about other trans people. Basically chris' history and circumstances are vastly different than most people and I can't imagine that they didn't play a major role in his transition.

That's just my theory.

 

[Mason Verger]

Maybe on the surface they're similar, but I think the rationale is different. Most trans people don't do complete 180's on their views on gender roles. Most trans people haven't been trolled by fake female personas for years. Most trans people don't try to cut their taint open.

I think that Chris has an autistic fixation on gender that makes him want to take on a Mary Sue female personas. And I'm not sure if you can say the same about other trans people. Basically chris' history and circumstances are vastly different than most people and I can't imagine that they didn't play a major role in his transition.

That's just my theory.

The thing is.. IS there such thing as an organic route to transgenderism?

 

[ScrappyLobsterchu]

The thing is.. IS there such thing as an organic route to transgenderism?

maybe not but I'd say that there are less extreme routes.

 

[troon patrol]

On the subject of a conflict of interest in the medical field regarding transgenderism/SRS, I found this interesting story. about a certain "John Ronald Brown" aka "the worst Dr. in america"

This is from Wikipedia so please take that into consideration but the same info has been mirrored on pro-Trans sites so I'm assuming this is all fairly accurate. He apparently was a surgeon without a morals, approximately 600 SRS were performed by him in the 1970's, eventually he was convicted of homicide when someone with a specific form of body dis-morphia felt his leg needed to be removed despite it being in good health, the man later died and Brown was held accountable.

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The program at Johns Hopkins, for example, only approved surgery for 24 out of the first 2000 people who approached them with the request for it.[4] Brown, by contrast, freely admitted that he was willing to operate on anybody who would pay him.[5] At this time, many transsexual women were grateful to him for providing reassignment surgery when they otherwise had no recourse.[6] His lack of a formal surgical qualification made it necessary for him to carry out sex reassignment surgery in his office on an out-patient basis, rather than in a fully equipped surgical theatre.[7] He also carried out surgeries in his garage and in motel rooms.

If you look at early medical professionals involved in SRS, They either resemble Nazi/Japanese war criminals in the medical testing branches of the military, testing unnatural/unnecisary procedures on people in a truly experimentation fashion or you have Dr Brown, basically an under equipped surgeon without a moral compass, who ignores the hippocratic oath.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I dunno, I think Chris's case is basically similar to average trans people. They identify as a different gender than their biological one, express it by changing their appearance, want people to call them by preferred pronouns, etc.

I think the problem with that is there's no context to frame this picture. I always say that Chris is just as valid as any other troon. By valid, I mean troons aren't real, they're just homos, deviants, or autistic while Chris happens to be all three.

The thing is.. IS there such thing as an organic route to transgenderism?

No, I'm beginning to think it's a purely societal phenomena rooted in delayed sexual development and crippling narcissism.

 

[Marvin]

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ive noticed that when I talk to zoomers that the pronoun thing is heavy on their minds. A lot of them ask what pronouns do you go by when they introduce themselves. I find that pretty strange since I was never raised with that stuff.

It really is bizarre to see zoomers qualify their social media descriptions with “he/him, she/her” unironically, and these are regular hetero kids that don’t actually deal with misgendering issues. And yet it’s the first thing listed in there bios. “I go by he/him”, yeah, no shit Kyle, my fucking eyeballs work.

Oh yeah, if someone asks me for my pronouns, the first thing I'd do is just open my arms and ask them what they think my pronouns are. "Just fucking guess."

Just phrasing it that way would trigger the shit out of them, I'm sure. "but but but sometimes males with penises and facial hair happen to be women"

 

[naught]

To be fair Chris was debuted to the world as Chris Chan chan being Japanese terminology or honorific for female or at least I think so from the anime I've watched. So I suppose it depends on when you became familiar with Chris before or after the tomgirl Saga.

Transgenderism goes hand-in-hand with mental illness. I believe studies show that the vast majority of transgender individuals suffer from some other disorder, be it depression, dissociative personality, schizophrenia, what have you. An acquaintance of mine who is a MtF admitted to me that he suffers from a particularly nasty form of depression. Given his behavior prior to coming out, that wouldn't surprise me.

Now, as for Chris being "fake-trans," that's a more complicated question. Yes, he's "fake-trans" in that he's obviously doing this for attention. No, he's not "fake-trans" in the sense of all transgender people are "fake" in their delusion of being the opposite gender.

Spot on!