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Steve Smyff said:
I'm not following you here - how do 90% of the Sasaki-Suzuki-Rando-Criminal-Chans (SSRCC) that the cops bring in get on the wrong side of somebody

1. with political connecitons
2. with money
3. with a grudge against SSRCC
4. who finds out somehow that the SSRCC is in the system
5. motivated to exercise their corrupt connections

to get that 90% conviction rate?

The numbers aren't adding up for me - I might believe like 5 to 10% of criminals [excess above western systems/rates] have a connected person like that in their past, but 80% excess convictions above western court systems? That is a SERIOUSLY messed up rate of corruption - worse than India even.
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The long story short version is that to get a conviction in Japan you almost have to confess to the crime and give some iota of evidence that the cops couldn't have known without the confession/only the guilty party could know.

The way they get that high conviction rate is that the cops only arrest people when they're virtually sure that they have the right guy, and then they isolate them with no food for days and/or kick the shit out of then until they confess. if they get corroborating evidence from/with your confession the law basically doesn't care how they got the confession. The corruption comes in in two big ways 1) if they get the wrong guy and/or they can't corroborate the confession the Court just goes "lol I'm sure our fine upstanding officers would never kicks the shit out of a suspect, quit lieing" and 2) they cook the books hard on whats considered a crime, and if no suspect is apparent in short order it will be ruled a suicide/accdient/lol that didn't happen/etc.
 
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Kosher Salt said:
McAfee, bullshitting for attention? Come on, next thing you'll be trying to tell me that water is still wet.
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not the stuff he talks about being bullshit like the whale fucking and shit eating but his whole "i am a badass fugitive" larp.
 
Kosher Salt said:
Pretty much every aspect of trying to sue her would have been complicated.
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Everyone reading it knew who she was talking about and responded as if they did. That part wouldn't have been at all difficult, ordinarily. The rest would have been but that's because it would have been heard in Clown Court and been thrown out at the same TCPA hearing. Actually proving damages even if he won would be an issue because people had been making nonsense claims like this for years with no real impact on Vic's reputation. That's why he's suing people whose word carried actual weight.
 
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AnOminous said:
Everyone reading it knew who she was talking about and responded as if they did. That part wouldn't have been at all difficult, ordinarily. The rest would have been but that's because it would have been heard in Clown Court and been thrown out at the same TCPA hearing. Actually proving damages even if he won would be an issue because people had been making nonsense claims like this for years with no real impact on Vic's reputation. That's why he's suing people whose word carried actual weight.
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I love the precedent that is up right now that everything on twitter that is needed for an lawsuit, the judges would love 10000 pages of twitter nonsense on their tables...
 
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Steve Smyff said:
If someone wanted to make them pay their just deserts, getting someone in trouble with the law in Japan is interesting ... once those gears start turning, the Japanese "justice" system has north of 90% conviction rate - I've heard claims as high as 98%. What it takes to get the gears grinding on a person, who knows?

I first learned this in a documentary I saw in the 90s and it was repeated again in the recent kerfuffle with Ghosn.

With that conviction rate I always thought they must be pretty damn selective about who to prosecute (it must be a pretty high bar for evidence and strength of case), but reading about the Ghosn case really makes me wonder.
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From what I remember hearing about the extremely high criminal conviction rate in Japan, the reasons are because:

1,) The justice system there is very VERY careful about what cases they pursuit(to the point that many of the citizens can get away with lower crimes if there is doubt), so if they believe they got a case, then they will pursue it. People will say that this is being extremely thorough and a good thing, but again this allows a lot of lesser crimes to happen as a result.

2,) There is a sort of national pride that the system CANNOT BE WRONG under any means necessary. The country wants their citizens to trust their judgement and making these mistakes cannot be allowed(even to the point of trying to find a reason for the person to be guilty).

This is a primary example of what I am referring to
www.scmp.com

Man freed after 45 years on death row in Japan could go back to jail

Man freed after 45 years on death row in Japan could go back to jail
www.scmp.com www.scmp.com

If this is the story I remember, even one of the judges believed it was bullshit, but claimed he felt he had to for internal pressure. That he could not go against the system that Japan has, for to do so would cast doubt in the government.

edit: Because I know there are some Japanese citizens here and Japanophiles(it is fucking weeb wars after all), so ill preemptively say that I am not stating that Japan is a bad place or anything. In fact there are good things about it, just like most nations. All I am stating is that when people tout the whole "low crime rate" and "high conviction rate" to exclaim how good or bad Japan is, that there are reasons for it. Every nation has problems obviously.
 
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MadPanda said:
From what I remember hearing about the extremely high criminal conviction rate in Japan, the reasons are because:

1,) The justice system there is very VERY careful about what cases they pursuit(to the point that many of the citizens can get away with lower crimes if there is doubt), so if they believe they got a case, then they will pursue it. People will say that this is being extremely thorough and a good thing, but again this allows a lot of lesser crimes to happen as a result.

2,) There is a sort of national pride that the system CANNOT BE WRONG under any means necessary. The country wants their citizens to trust their judgement and making these mistakes cannot be allowed(even to the point of trying to find a reason for the person to be guilty).

This is a primary example of what I am referring to
www.scmp.com

Man freed after 45 years on death row in Japan could go back to jail

Man freed after 45 years on death row in Japan could go back to jail
www.scmp.com www.scmp.com

If this is the story I remember, even one of the judges believed it was bullshit, but claimed he felt he had to for internal pressure. That he could not go against the system that Japan has, for to do so would cast doubt in the government.

edit: Because I know there are some Japanese citizens here and Japanophiles(it is fucking weeb wars after all), so ill preemptively say that I am not stating that Japan is a bad place or anything. In fact there are good things about it, just like most nations. All I am stating is that when people tout the whole "low crime rate" and "high conviction rate" to exclaim how good or bad Japan is, that there are reasons for it. Every nation has problems obviously.
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I remember reading somewhere the Japanese police can hold suspects indefinitely. Like, if you're suspected of shoplifting and are facing a couple of weeks in jail you may as well confess immediately, even if you didn't do it, otherwise the cops can keep you locked up for far longer than your maximum sentence would be. Sounds bullshit to me, but it'd go some way towards explaining a 90%+ conviction rate.
 
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Bender said:
I remember reading somewhere the Japanese police can hold suspects indefinitely. Like, if you're suspected of shoplifting and are facing a couple of weeks in jail you may as well confess immediately, even if you didn't do it, otherwise the cops can keep you locked up for far longer than your maximum sentence would be. Sounds bullshit to me, but it'd go some way towards explaining a 90%+ conviction rate.
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Actually I remember hearing a case of a foreigner that was accused of shoplifting. They were held for a year before they felt it was just best to confess, but they did not want to because they said they did not do it. You have issues such as you cannot have your lawyer present while being questioned does not really help.

You would think the embassy could do something about that, but all they can really do is relay messages on your behalf.

I mean again this isnt being hateful to japan. I mean they dont seem to just arrest for having a bad day or looking at the wrong, like they seem to do in the US and the EU, but their system is designed that if they think you are guilty, then you are guilty and new evidence or testimonies be damned.
 
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I remember reading somewhere the Japanese police can hold suspects indefinitely. Like, if you're suspected of shoplifting and are facing a couple of weeks in jail you may as well confess immediately, even if you didn't do it, otherwise the cops can keep you locked up for far longer than your maximum sentence would be. Sounds bullshit to me, but it'd go some way towards explaining a 90%+ conviction rate.
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It's just a combination of a lot of things on why they have the conviction rate they do. One thing getting overlooked is their culture, being accused of a crime seems to be worse over there than in western countries. So people may also just confess to keep it quiet and not draw attention to it to avoid the shame, along with the other factors.
 
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Iron Hamster said:
Don't forget hanleia was talking about rials actual pedo boyfriend and the turds applied it to Vic.
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Wouldn't it be hilarious if it turned out this whole thing started because Rial saw that Tweet, thought "oh, fuck, some autist's gonna realise they're talking about my ex and not Vic" and immediately went into preemptive damage control?

AnOminous said:
Suing her wouldn't be the problem. Actually serving her would be.
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"Hi everyone, EriMin here, and I'm outside Hanleia's house to serve her these papers and I figured I'd record it so she can't say she didn't get them. *chugs a beer*"
 
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Least Concern said:
I've heard these kinds of numbers too (and I stumbled upon the Ghosn story the other day - fascinating stuff), but remember that that's criminal court. This is a civil matter. I couldn't find statistics for civil cases after a brief search, but since no prosecutorial discretion is involved, I suspect the results of such cases to be a lot more nuanced. And that's assuming the civil case would occur in Japan in the first place… wouldn't it actually occur in the US in this case?
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It'd actually be preferable for the case to be tried in the US - Japanese courts are so slow they make everybody else look swift by comparison. In Japan it's not uncommon for civil suits to drag on for more than a decade before ending in settlement.
 
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MadPanda said:
1,) The justice system there is very VERY careful about what cases they pursuit(to the point that many of the citizens can get away with lower crimes if there is doubt), so if they believe they got a case, then they will pursue it. People will say that this is being extremely thorough and a good thing, but again this allows a lot of lesser crimes to happen as a result.
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Not just lesser crimes. My go to example for some of the issues with Japan's police is this old article from 2007. Simply put the country has a weak medical examiner system that's often pressured by police who would rather even a suspicious death be ruled as suicide or natural causes, than to have to open a homicide case with no easily obvious suspect. So if you've ever wondered why Japan's suicide rate is so high, that's probably partly because it's concealing part of it's homocide rate. It's not that difficult to find discussion of other problems with their system either. For example they're heavily reliant on confessions for conviction, and how they go about obtaining those confessions is often flawed at best.

Though in fairness to Japan, it's not like they're unique in having difficulty with their police system. It's not that hard to come up with all sorts of fucked up examples of police corruption or failures in other places like the USA either.
 
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