#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Listen guys, people in the industry aren't competing against one another. That's nonsense. They're all one big happy family. Disregard that some people have to be at the bottom for others to be on top and that one person getting a gig means someone else not getting a gig.

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In regards to Richard Meyers, didn't he say point blank, that his Youtube Channel output was going to be decreased going forward due to Richard realizing that finishing his books on time/getting them out when they were supposed to be released, was going to take up the bulk of his time and him making a conscious decision to (for the most part) sideline the Youtube channel as a result?

I recall he said something similar when he decided to walk away from Twitter; that he was falling into the same trap as the SJW death kult with relations to spending all of their days on Twitter and not actually working on their books, hence him putting his work as a comic creator ahead of dealing with the death kult on a daily basis on social media?
 
Listen guys, people in the industry aren't competing against one another. That's nonsense. They're all one big happy family. Disregard that some people have to be at the bottom for others to be on top and that one person getting a gig means someone else not getting a gig.
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Jesus fuck... ReeeetorD C Meyer had a slow day.

There's a big difference between two brands competing and two cashiers of neighbouring stores having petty gay fights like in a fucking sitcom. One is an actual beneficial competition and the other is potential lawsuits and scared away clients. You see, a lot of these comic book news sites are covering this shit as if they are TMZ and this is Hollywood. They'll write about "terrible mistreatment of artists" "x suffering from a burnout" and " the terrible truth about the editor-in-chief" only for it to turn be "editor asked to redraw a panel" "a guy bit more than he can chew and how is missing his deadline" and "an ex-employee being salty". Not only it turns both fans and creatives into babies, not only create a hostile environment inside one company, it drowes away attention from comic books and merit straight into petty high school drama.

So yeah, she's right, Richie can't read and accidentally demands continuation of Mean Girls drama.

In regards to Richard Meyers, didn't he say point blank, that his Youtube Channel output was going to be decreased going forward due to Richard realizing that finishing his books on time/getting them out when they were supposed to be released, was going to take up the bulk of his time and him making a conscious decision to (for the most part) sideline the Youtube channel as a result?

Except if you look at the timeline or Social Blade he's slow down isn't connected to Jawbreakers. Besides if this whole thing was conscious he would just make less videos not tank his channels with the same amount.
 
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What does it even mean to be competitive in superhero writing/drawing? Sucking cocks behind closed doors to get preferential treatment?

Its not like this is basketball or something like that where you can "outplay" other creators and "win a game".
 
What does it even mean to be competitive in superhero writing/drawing? Sucking cocks behind closed doors to get preferential treatment?

Its not like this is basketball or something like that where you can "outplay" other creators and "win a game".

My best guess is to not be in agreement with the goodthink. To give criticism. To actively try and be better artist and not succumbing to laziness and mediocrity. To actually make money of their hard work and having good work ethics. You know, all the things that make you more successful and desired creator.
These people hate confrontations so even the slightest competitive streak is considered wrongthink and undesirable trait. And the truth is, no matter how good and artist is, they won't takem under consideration unless the artist is already in their clique and tbh the work opportunities they have to offer are on the shitty side, the kinds normal ckmpetitive people consider not worth their time and effort.
 
Sounds like competition is a buzzword for everything? Things like work ethic and laziness would be fixed by editors enforcing deadlines and shit like that. I don't see what competition in itself has to do with it.
 
Sounds like competition is a buzzword for everything? Things like work ethic and laziness would be fixed by editors enforcing deadlines and shit like that. I don't see what competition in itself has to do with it.

There’s that story that went around a few years back where Gail Simone basically bullied her editor out of their job. Editors literally cannot come down on SJW writers. The whole “competition” thing is a big deal because dangerhair writers and artists can’t influence the sales of their competitors as much as they can fuck around with people within their own workplace.
 
Well, there's also something called professional courtesy. Competition is nice and all, but it doesn't mean that they have to be at each others' throat.

Also, there is somewhat a camaraderie among creatives. Its somewhat hard to explain, unless you have been working with or surrounded by creative people, but they have a somewhat unwritten code that they don't meddle with each others' affairs or some sort. I mean if you trap a marvel artist inside a room with a dc artist with beer, they will be drinking together complaining about their own employers rather than criticizing each other. If they criticize each other, its usually in light-hearted mood or in jest, just like niggers calling each others niggers. Of course there are sometimes real fights, but most of that happens because of money.

The only creative people that goes against that are usually assholes and disrupters or idiots. You know, "that guy"
 
Well, there's also something called professional courtesy. Competition is nice and all, but it doesn't mean that they have to be at each others' throat.

Also, there is somewhat a camaraderie among creatives. Its somewhat hard to explain, unless you have been working with or surrounded by creative people, but they have a somewhat unwritten code that they don't meddle with each others' affairs or some sort. I mean if you trap a marvel artist inside a room with a dc artist with beer, they will be drinking together complaining about their own employers rather than criticizing each other. If they criticize each other, its usually in light-hearted mood or in jest, just like niggers calling each others niggers. Of course there are sometimes real fights, but most of that happens because of money.

The only creative people that goes against that are usually assholes and disrupters or idiots. You know, "that guy"
That's not true. The camaraderie you're describing is easy to understand, because it's natural state of any group of people with shared experience. Be it military, construction workers, stay at home moms or comic book artist. If you are generally leveled out basic human being, you will get that in a group setting- I have my own company and I will do a lot to get a contract over my competitor, but at the same time I will be first to let them know about any changes that impact our profession, because we are actually good colleagues who met through work. I don't want him to fail, but I do want to get better contracts.

Being competitive in that setting isn't wrong. My competition makes my work more interesting and drives me to offer something better and with that comes price increase for me and my competition, because we offer better quality and there are people who appreciate it over stuff new people can offer and cycle continues. This is how senior partner in law firm can ask for 600/hr.

We're not talking about cutting throats here, but the desire to be more successful by the virtue of being better.

The issue at hand is- these people don't want other people getting better, because I think they know they have nothing special to offer. No real drive or skills, no sales number, nothing the would make a publisher actully pick them over competition.

Read Ian Fleming's James Bond, Marvel's Fearless or any of Liana Kanga's shit this is prime example of a product with no competition. It's shit.

ETA: re read your post and it looks like you haven't actually worked with creative people and only read about it on twitter. Creative people are like any other people, just creative. There's nothing special about it and there's no such code in real life, only on twitter. When you go to school for creative stuff, you are put through a mental wri ger with amount of criticism you are getting there, everyone does that, your peers are required through project showings to tell you what's wrong with your stuff and profs do that every single consultation. At the end of this you understand that you're better of by asking for second opinion, leart to not take any of it personally and make your own judgements if the criticism was useful or helpul. You learn to be a better creative person and use criticism as a tool to improve upon your work. The situation you descrobe is absolutely undesirable and none of those special snoflakes could survive proper art school. (And they likely didn't, because art schools in US are a scam).
 
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Hey, do I fail at internet or is this "publishing company" seriously shady?

I looked at nearly all of their titles, and I can't find ANY sample pages on the entire site. I'm not gonna buy something if I can't see what the inner art looks like! Not only that, but nearly all of the buy now links I've looked at either go to a dead page, open the same page in a new tab, or go to the buying page for a comic by one of the founders ...
The latter one I can kiiiind of understand - they probably copy+paste the original page as a template and change the picture, text, and links. Sometimes things slip through the cracks.
I've even googled some of the comics individually, and none of the separate selling sites have sample pages... I find it a bit suspicious...
 
Being competitive in that setting isn't wrong. My competition makes my work more interesting and drives me to offer something better and with that comes price increase for me and my competition, because we offer better quality and there are people who appreciate it over stuff new people can offer and cycle continues. This is how senior partner in law firm can ask for 600/hr.

We're not talking about cutting throats here, but the desire to be more successful by the virtue of being better.

The issue at hand is- these people don't want other people getting better, because I think they know they have nothing special to offer. No real drive or skills, no sales number, nothing the would make a publisher actully pick them over competition.

Read Ian Fleming's James Bond, Marvel's Fearless or any of Liana Kanga's shit this is
What do you know, you sound like "that guy", wait, you exactly sound like "that fucking guy"

artists don't antagonize with each other, its the company they are working for do compete. they are just out there to draw. its the company's imperative to make sure its product is good. artists are just hired hands that are nothing more than cogs to the machine. Its the company's fault if it decides to release subpar products.

what these people want is artists to fight against each other for drama, so these comicsgaters can milk it for views since their channels are already failing spectacularly
 
What do you know, you sound like "that guy", wait, you exactly sound like "that fucking guy"

artists don't antagonize with each other, its the company they are working for do compete. they are just out there to draw. its the company's imperative to make sure its product is good. artists are just hired hands that are nothing more than cogs to the machine. Its the company's fault if it decides to release subpar products.

what these people want is artists to fight against each other for drama, so these comicsgaters can tard cum it for views since their channels are already failing spectacularly
And what do you know, you sound exactly like a special twitter snowflake, who doesn't understand difference between "competitive" and "antagonistic". Being competitive doesn't mean creating drama unless you are that special nor it means fighting with each other. It means striking to be better than the rest to get better jobs offer and making better product. And companies CAN'T make better product if everyone is noncompetitevely equally shitty in their work. But you know when someone being competitive is considered to be equal to creating drama? When your ego is so delicate you take everything as personal attack. And this is exactly what I noticed when interacting with comic creators who are in that clique. You are pretty much not allowed to say anything that's not positive, or you're out. Even if the product is shit.

You should really go and hire yourself in ad matketing company and see what healthier creative environment is like. Compared to them, comic people are like unicorns.
 
u know, you sound exactly like a special twitter snowflake, who doesn't understand difference between "competitive" and "antagonistic". Being competitive doesn't mean creating drama unless you are that special nor it means fighting with each other. It means striking to be better than the rest to get better jobs offer and making better product. And companies CAN'T make better product if everyone is noncompetitevely equally shitty in their work. But you know when someone being competitive is considered to be equal to creating drama? When your ego is so delicate you take everything as personal attack. And this is exactly what I noticed when interacting with comic creators who are in that clique. You are pretty much not allowed to say anything that's not positive, or you're out. Even if the product is shit.
>get yourself hired in an ad company, its a healthier creative environment
>when they make these types of ads

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'u havin a giggle mate?
 
>get yourself hired in an ad company, its a healthier creative environment
>when they make these types of ads

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'u havin a giggle mate?
Lol. What shitty sojus comercial has to do with working environment in ad agency? You really think that all people hired there didn't compete to be chosen as the best to lead the account even if the brief was absolutely stupid? Just because the comercial is epitome of stupidity doesn't mean that pepple involved with it didn't hate make it. You don't know, you weren't there.

Thanks for confirmation that you seriously have no clue about freelance/creative work and what goes with clients in those situations. And you come here talking about some imaginary unwritten moral codes between comic book creatives when you only know it from low tiers on social media. I am having a giggle, I am.

Freelance work is highly competitive, mate, no doubt about it. Ask anyone who is actually successful with it.
 
So the DC Vertigo account posted a goodbye tweet and CG autists instantly started shitting up the replies.

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Yep, that's WC for you. They really need an off switch. That's not how you entice fans of Vertigo to you

Exactly what Reeetord C Meyer told them: "relentless competition" even when it's basically a funeral
He also said he prefers to hire people that are easy to work with. I don't get why you and huck conflate being competitive with being an asshole.
 
He also said he prefers to hire people that are easy to work with. I don't get why you and huck conflate being competitive with being an asshole.
Becaus he and Ehehe were sperging about harmless tweets that were talking about asholish petty competition
 
Cash Grab was the name of the book that Cecil and Nerkish were doing together before Nerkish acrimoniously split from the wider CG community. It looks like Cecil continued to work on it on his own. Cecil can be a funny enough guy on his own but I think the combination of him and Nerkish really would have been something special. Still, it'll probably be good for some laughs.

He didn't link to the IGG campaign in the video description and I can't find it searching the IGG site, so maybe it's not actually up yet.

EDIT: Here it is. $16k already. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cash-grab-the-graphic-novel-by-cecil/x/20604693#/

EDIT 2: That's kinda mean…
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