Science Promiscuous Queen Bees are More Likely to be Executed by Their Colonies Because it Increases Their Chances of Producing Infertile Offspring - Patrolling thots is just nature.

Promiscuous Queen bees more likely to be executed by their colonies

Scientists said queens which mated with more than one worker were more likely to produce infertile offspring, otherwise known as diploid males. Stingless bees are found in Brazil.

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• Queen stingless bees are at risk of being executed if they mate more than once
• Execution is because they are more likely to produce infertile useless males
• Stingless bees found in tropical climates as Brazil and are related to honeybees

Queen stingless bees face a greater risk of being executed if they do not remain faithful to one male, new research has found.

Stingless bees are found in tropical climates such as Brazil and are closely related to honeybees and bumblebees.

But while a queen honeybee may mate with up to 20 males, queen stingless bees are usually loyal to one male.

Scientists said queens which mated with more than one worker were more likely to produce infertile offspring, otherwise known as diploid males

Scientists said queen stingless bees (pictured) which mated with more than one worker were more likely to produce infertile offspring​

The colony will then execute the queen because the offspring are defective and cannot reproduce.

And for every diploid male produced, it means there is one less worker bee in the hive.

The study, which was published in the American Naturalist, helped biologists to understand why some species mated with multiple males while other remained loyal to one, according to The Telegraph.

The University of Sussex and University of Sao Paulo compared the fate of queens in different hives in an experiment in Brazil.

Scientists found that the queen doubled her chance of being executed if she mated with two males.

While a queen honeybee may mate with up to 20 males, queen stingless bees are usually loyal to one male. Pictured: A drone bee copulating with a queen bee
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According to Francis Ratnieks, Professor of Apiculture (beekeeping) at the University of Sussex, the reasons for this is 'fairly complex'.

Professor Ratnieks said: 'In short, it is due to the genetics of sex determination in bees and the risk of what is known as 'matched mating''.

Normal male bees are produced from an unfertilised egg and therefore only have one set of chromosomes from the mother, and therefore only one sex allele.

However if the egg is fertilised it will have two sets of chromosomes - one from the mother and one from the father.

If the two sex alleles are different, the bee is female, but if they are the same it will be a diploid male, known as 'matched mating'.

 

[Daddy's Little Kitten]

Even bees thot patrol.
Nature is amazing.

 

[Bongsnake McGee]

So this is less "thot patrol", more "produce viable offspring" patrol.

Evolution is fucking neat.

 

[frozenrunner]

Between the two "fit" strategies, however, there is a chasm of "unfitness" where the queen has a higher chance of being killed, so a chaste queen cannot easily become a Zoe Quinn (or vice versa).

In other words, it's not that you can't turn a hoe into a housewife, it's just that it's dangerous to try?

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

Also diploid males are basically troons. They're intermorphs between a worker and a drone, incapable of performing the functions of either.

The actual article doesn't say what the headline claims! (quelle surprise!). What the researchers found was that queens which bore high percentages of diploid males are very likely to be executed, and it doesn't matter whether the "high percentage" is 50% (queen that mate with one drone that shares her paternity) or 25% (queen that mate with two drones, one shares her paternity, the other doesn't).

The conclusion that the researcher draw, at least when talking to the journos, is baffling: they seem to assume the chance of queen-killing is proportional to the occurrence of diploid males, and thus bizarrely conclude that mating with two drones doubles the chance of the queen being executed! In the actual paper they entertain a more sensible hypothesis: that queen killing is likely triggered by a threshold of diploid drones (in their words, there seems to be a "sigmoid relationship between queen mortality and the proportion of diploid males").

The author then speculates whether queen killing is the evolution pressure that ensures monogamy in this species. Their analysis is fairly intricate and I'll skip it. What they found is that monogamy is one of the two strategies of maximal fitness (the other is being as slutty as can be and mate with 4+ males). Between the two "fit" strategies, however, there is a chasm of "unfitness" where the queen has a higher chance of being killed, so a chaste queen cannot easily become a Zoe Quinn (or vice versa).

The TL;DR -- Queen killing is not the comeuppance for sluttiness; the nest don't count the time the queen has scored.

Ok thanks for actually looking at the original research because I was actually wondering how the hell the colony would verify this or why they'd care.

 

[WonderWino]

BeeGoneTHOT

Seriously, it took 2 pages for someone to say it?

 

[Vlinny-kun]

I learned so much about bee fucking today. It's hip.

 

[melty]

The actual article doesn't say what the headline claims! (quelle surprise!). What the researchers found was that queens which bore high percentages of diploid males are very likely to be executed, and it doesn't matter whether the "high percentage" is 50% (queen that mate with one drone that shares her paternity) or 25% (queen that mate with two drones, one shares her paternity, the other doesn't).

The conclusion that the researcher draw, at least when talking to the journos, is baffling: they seem to assume the chance of queen-killing is proportional to the occurrence of diploid males, and thus bizarrely conclude that mating with two drones doubles the chance of the queen being executed! In the actual paper they entertain a more sensible hypothesis: that queen killing is likely triggered by a threshold of diploid drones (in their words, there seems to be a "sigmoid relationship between queen mortality and the proportion of diploid males").

The author then speculates whether queen killing is the evolution pressure that ensures monogamy in this species. Their analysis is fairly intricate and I'll skip it. What they found is that monogamy is one of the two strategies of maximal fitness (the other is being as slutty as can be and mate with 4+ males). Between the two "fit" strategies, however, there is a chasm of "unfitness" where the queen has a higher chance of being killed, so a chaste queen cannot easily become a Zoe Quinn (or vice versa).

The TL;DR -- Queen killing is not the comeuppance for sluttiness; the nest don't count the time the queen has scored.

Not only did you read the article, but you read the actual paper? Get the fuck out, we only read headlines here and I want to talk about incel bees and thots not learn things.

 

[queerape]

The TL;DR -- Queen killing is not the comeuppance for sluttiness; the nest don't count the time the queen has scored.

This seems like a case of correlation and causation. The bees don’t kill the queen for promiscuity, but promiscuous queens are more likely to produce defective offspring which get her killed. If the queen is promiscuous but doesn’t produce bad offspring then the nest doesn’t care.

As an apiarist what I find most interesting is how stingless bees have evolved a totally opposite strategy to honey bees and bumblebees. Honey bees and bumble bee queens that have mates with more males are favored as they give the hive more genetic diversity (able to survive more threats) and they have more sperm to fertilize eggs and thus more laying years. If a queen is chaste she’s poorly mated and can maybe only last a year or two befor she becomes a drone layer and gets kicked to the curb. But a queen who has had many drones on her mating flight (which only happens once) can go up to 5 years in the Hives I work with. Interestingly enough I don’t see a higher rate of diploid males in poorly mated queens or well mated queens either, diploid males usually come of inbreeding.

 

[HumanHive]

The best part about this is that the bees who kill the thot queen are the sterile female workers who don't get any. Oh how little ever changes.

 

[whatever I feel like]

According to Francis Ratnieks, Professor of Apiculture (beekeeping) at the University of Sussex, the reasons for this is 'fairly complex'.

I read this as "according to Fat Rednecks." It makes it better, honest.

 

[Philosophy Phil]

Rabid fanshippers enforce their OTP headcanons to the point of autistically killing those who go against it.

 

[Positron]

This seems like a case of correlation and causation. The bees don’t kill the queen for promiscuity, but promiscuous queens are more likely to produce defective offspring which get her killed. If the queen is promiscuous but doesn’t produce bad offspring then the nest doesn’t care.

As an apiarist what I find most interesting is how stingless bees have evolved a totally opposite strategy to honey bees and bumblebees. Honey bees and bumble bee queens that have mates with more males are favored as they give the hive more genetic diversity (able to survive more threats) and they have more sperm to fertilize eggs and thus more laying years. If a queen is chaste she’s poorly mated and can maybe only last a year or two befor she becomes a drone layer and gets kicked to the curb. But a queen who has had many drones on her mating flight (which only happens once) can go up to 5 years in the Hives I work with. Interestingly enough I don’t see a higher rate of diploid males in poorly mated queens or well mated queens either, diploid males usually come of inbreeding.

Mating with multiple drones has its drawbacks. The longer the nuptial flights, the higher the chance the nascent queens become bird food. Also theoretically workers might evolve to identify eggs and larvae that have different paternity from themselves and destroy them. I can't find supportive evidence though.

 

[queerape]

Mating with multiple drones has its drawbacks. The longer the nuptial flights, the higher the chance the nascent queens become bird food. Also theoretically workers might evolve to identify eggs and larvae that have different paternity from themselves and destroy them. I can't find supportive evidence though.

I’ve never heard of workers doing that. Heterozygosity would be selected for as there would be mroe ability to resist a change. Usually if a colony has a high number of diploid drones, then there has been inbreeding (queen mating drones of same hive) for at least 2 generations. The reason there are so many paternities is to provide a safeguard so that if a queen does get a drone from her hive there is at least some safeguard against both the chromosomes being the same. With a poorly mated Queen you get fewer different genes in the sperm as well so in the event the next queen gets a drone from her hive the risk of inbreeding is worse.

do you think that stingless bees may have different csds or alleles than honeybees and this is why it’s different ?

 

[AltisticRight]

Don't kink shame me. It's current year.

My kink is shaming people with kinks.
Don't hate, it's 2020.

 

[Positron]

do you think that stingless bees may have different csds or alleles than honeybees and this is why it’s different ?

We might take it for granted as CSDs (the chromosome regions that must be heterozygous in order for the bee to develop as female) in hymenoptera are very variable. But how it affect the mating strategies is almost completely unknown.

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

This seems like a case of correlation and causation. The bees don’t kill the queen for promiscuity, but promiscuous queens are more likely to produce defective offspring which get her killed. If the queen is promiscuous but doesn’t produce bad offspring then the nest doesn’t care.

As an apiarist what I find most interesting is how stingless bees have evolved a totally opposite strategy to honey bees and bumblebees. Honey bees and bumble bee queens that have mates with more males are favored as they give the hive more genetic diversity (able to survive more threats) and they have more sperm to fertilize eggs and thus more laying years. If a queen is chaste she’s poorly mated and can maybe only last a year or two befor she becomes a drone layer and gets kicked to the curb. But a queen who has had many drones on her mating flight (which only happens once) can go up to 5 years in the Hives I work with. Interestingly enough I don’t see a higher rate of diploid males in poorly mated queens or well mated queens either, diploid males usually come of inbreeding.

Has any research been done on honeybees in terms of the behavior of half-siblings? In ants it's been documented that in polygynous colonies of some species for instance workers are more vigorous in caring for full-sister brood than half-sister or cousin brood. I'm curious if this behavior is reproduced in honey bee hives. I'm not sure it'd be a net negative in hive productivity; and honeybees do one queen and multiple matings instead of multiple queens with only one or two matings, but still.

I’ve never heard of workers doing that. Heterozygosity would be selected for as there would be mroe ability to resist a change.

Unless workers evolved some green beard genes, then the opposite would be true.

 

[Oskar Dirlewanger]

"this study about insects sure do say a lot about our Society"​

 

[Your Weird Fetish]

"this study about insects sure do say a lot about our Society"​

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Studying eusocial insect societies and other self-organizing systems actually does teach a lot about society. Just y'know, not anything said in this thread.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

The actual article doesn't say what the headline claims! (quelle surprise!). What the researchers found was that queens which bore high percentages of diploid males are very likely to be executed, and it doesn't matter whether the "high percentage" is 50% (queen that mate with one drone that shares her paternity) or 25% (queen that mate with two drones, one shares her paternity, the other doesn't).

The conclusion that the researcher draw, at least when talking to the journos, is baffling: they seem to assume the chance of queen-killing is proportional to the occurrence of diploid males, and thus bizarrely conclude that mating with two drones doubles the chance of the queen being executed! In the actual paper they entertain a more sensible hypothesis: that queen killing is likely triggered by a threshold of diploid drones (in their words, there seems to be a "sigmoid relationship between queen mortality and the proportion of diploid males").

The author then speculates whether queen killing is the evolution pressure that ensures monogamy in this species. Their analysis is fairly intricate and I'll skip it. What they found is that monogamy is one of the two strategies of maximal fitness (the other is being as slutty as can be and mate with 4+ males). Between the two "fit" strategies, however, there is a chasm of "unfitness" where the queen has a higher chance of being killed, so a chaste queen cannot easily become a Zoe Quinn (or vice versa).

The TL;DR -- Queen killing is not the comeuppance for sluttiness; the nest don't count the time the queen has scored.

Kiwi Farms: come for the milk, stay for the surprisingly thoughtful science journalism

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I’ve never heard of workers doing that. Heterozygosity would be selected for as there would be mroe ability to resist a change. Usually if a colony has a high number of diploid drones, then there has been inbreeding (queen mating drones of same hive) for at least 2 generations. The reason there are so many paternities is to provide a safeguard so that if a queen does get a drone from her hive there is at least some safeguard against both the chromosomes being the same. With a poorly mated Queen you get fewer different genes in the sperm as well so in the event the next queen gets a drone from her hive the risk of inbreeding is worse.

do you think that stingless bees may have different csds or alleles than honeybees and this is why it’s different ?

One would have to examine the inbreeding coefficients of both species, as well as any causal relationship between inbreeding and the production of diploid males in the resulting generation (useless soyboy beta bees).

Interestingly enough, the change in mating behavior might be the reason for their speciation, going back far enough.

Also diploid males are basically troons. They're intermorphs between a worker and a drone, incapable of performing the functions of either.

Are you implying that troons are useless in the natural world?