Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Flexo]

Sorry for the double post, but a few minutes later, this came out.

(and i want to keep the posts separate so people can give me ratings based on the video they like - in case some have a preference for RLM vs SFD or vice versa etc)

 

[RumblyTumbly]

As funny as RLM's Re:view is here, it is also equally depressing.

The use of the Lincoln clip from TOS and comparing it to now just saddened me.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

Sorry for the double post, but a few minutes later, this posted.

(and i want to keep the posts separate so people can give me ratings based on the video they like - in case some have a preference for RLM vs SFD or vice versa etc)

NGL, as much as I am a Trekkie myself, watching Rich go to pieces over this show is pure schaudenfreude after all the shit he's said about Star Wars over the past few years.

 

[Flexo]

This can be handwaved with non-Vulcans only spending little time outside of their homes/specifically modified rooms that are more suited to their biological needs. Amanda had to tolerate living there somehow, even if she was a diplomat's wife who got to leave fairly often.

You know... now that you bring this up... Spock's backstory is kind of full of holes, isn't it?

If his father was an ambassador, then Spock should have been like a military brat and spent a lifetime growing up all over the place. It certainly wouldn't make much sense for Sarek to leave Amanda & Spock back home on Vulcan while he was away for extended leave given how the planet might mess with their bodies. Such a story could then explain why he is so dedicated to Vulcan and its ways because - like Worf - having grown up distant from the culture with his father as the major connection to it, he would have a semi-idealized view of it.

Conversely, the story we have of Spock growing up on the planet, bullied by other Vulcans and generally going through a kind of personal Jim Crow ("you're quite respectable for a human") it is kind of baffling why he would try and be Mr model-vulcan and generally throw shade on the humans he works with. If anything, after all that it seems like it would make more sense for him to have embraced his human side as a giant "fuck you" to all the Vulcans that tormented him over the years. If anything it could provide something interesting if he was the fan of humanity in the TOS with McCoy or someone else thinking Vulcans are awesome (just imagine a series where McCoy was a Vulcan fan-boy).

Of course given the TV landscape back in the day, it's no wonder they didn't really think all this through so I don't entirely hold it against the writers. Oh WAIT! This COULD have actually had a POINT in Discovery had the writers actually put in some effort!

Spoiler: Discovery Ranting

Just think about it a minute: what if Michael Burham was the vulcan fan (grate for the rescue, thought they seemed super cool) and worked hard to try and be just like them as much as she could (would probably turn to drugs in the process - you can use that for a PSA episode at some point), while Spock, tormented, actually clashed with Mikey thinking being human was better than an asshole Vulcan.

Nope. Mikey is perfect and can be a better Vulcan than any actual, pureblood, genetically born Vulcan, while Spock has a learning disability and just doesn't like her because of that.

Damn I hate this show the more I think about it.

 

[XYZpdq]

Death to fujoshis.

people have been gaying up Trek since the early seventies at the very latest. It's literally where the term "slash" comes from

This bugs me so much. Vulcan is established as having higher gravity and thinner atmosphere than earth. Sure humans could stay there for short periods, but an extended stay - especially after Burnham had already gone through her first growth spurt - would be devastating to a human's health.

They also demonstrate exceptional mental acuity - to the point that Spock took 3 tests simultaneously - which I'm sorry, not even the smartest human on earth can quite replicate. But no, not only is Michael able to thrive on the planet without medical aid, but she even beats out native born vulcans to be top of her class.

I've had arguments with other spergs over whether Mikey is a vulcan or not (no joke, one reply was "she's a vulcan culturally, just not biologically"). That's what angers me most about her. She's turned one of the classic aliens of Star Trek into just a cosplay*.

*I mean it makes a bit of sense with the Klingons which are a more spiritual people, but the Vulcans are supposed to be logical.

EDIT: I should also say, it would be fine to have Mikey work her ass off just to not be the bottom of the class. Give her something to struggle against her whole life, she might have been a compelling character then.

Spock's mom and Sarek's second wife both were human and lived on Vulcan for extending periods, so it's not that weird from a basic biology thing.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

You know... now that you bring this up... Spock's backstory is kind of full of holes, isn't it?

If his father was an ambassador, then Spock should have been like a military brat and spent a lifetime growing up all over the place. It certainly wouldn't make much sense for Sarek to leave Amanda & Spock back home on Vulcan while he was away for extended leave given how the planet might mess with their bodies. Such a story could then explain why he is so dedicated to Vulcan and its ways because - like Worf - having grown up distant from the culture with his father as the major connection to it, he would have a semi-idealized view of it.

Maybe, but then again, you could argue that the Vulcans would see it as illogical for the ambassador's wife and son to travel around with him everywhere. I think it's certainly possible that they would not have the same expectations as humans that a diplomat's family would accompany him to every new embassy (especially considering how long-lived Vulcans tend to be, so the need for family time wouldn't be as pressing, when not seen as outright illogical).

people have been gaying up Trek since the early seventies at the very latest. It's literally where the term "slash" comes from

Yes, just like the fandom has been known to attract pedophiles for decades.

 

[XYZpdq]

Yes, just like the fandom has been known to attract pedophiles for decades.

isn't that from some Vox article or some stupid shit

 

[Cyril Sneer]

isn't that from some Vox article or some stupid shit

Wasn't Vox the rag that actually published a piece by a self-confessed pedophile?

In any case, it's been reported in various news sources since at least the early 90s that police will often find Star Trek paraphernalia in the homes of child-molesters, with one of the most infamous examples of Trekkie/pedophile crossover being Walter Breen, husband of arch-feminist (and fellow child-molester) Marion Zimmer Bradley, author of the essay "Spock: The Archetype That Would Not Die," and possibly the real-world inspiration for the Romulan maxim to "never turn your back on a Breen" (because he'll try and sodomize you).

Not that I'm saying there's something inherent in the franchise that attracts pedophiles and slash-fic writers, just pointing out that they exist together on the fandom's darker fringes.

 

[AnOminous]

Wasn't Vox the rag that actually published a piece by a self-confessed pedophile?

They probably did at some point but I think you're thinking of the one in Salon by deformed pedophile Todd Nickerson. They took it down the same day they put up a hit piece on Milo.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I'm pretty sure that the leaks seem to claim she's dead, so probably not.

Oh no! Awww man

 

[TaimuRadiu]

I finished the first episode of Picard. I thought it was better than Discovery, and I think the unintentional message of the series is going to be why you should NEVER trust a xeno.

 

[UnKillFill]

I finished the first episode of Picard. I thought it was better than Discovery, and I think the unintentional message of the series is going to be why you should NEVER trust a xeno.

A shaved monkey literally throwing its shit directly at your face would be better than ST: P from what I've seen of it (and I didn't even watch any of season 2, which I've heard is worse.)... But S:TP is still terrible. (Fuck me, I've seen the episode now... and I hated it even more than I thought I would.)

I wish social justards had never even heard of Trek. (And don't even give me that "Trek was always Liberal" bullshit. Liberal=/=social justard.)

 

[HeyYou]

A shaved monkey literally throwing its shit directly at your face would be better than ST: P from what I've seen of it (and I didn't even watch any of season 2, which I've heard is worse.)... But S:TP is still terrible. (Fuck me, I've seen the episode now... and I hated it even more than I thought I would.)

I wish social justards had never even heard of Trek. (And don't even give me that "Trek was always Liberal" bullshit. Liberal=/=social justard.)

I don't mind liberal writers on the show, several of the old episodes are horribly unsubtle. I just want liberal writers of the Utopian and imaginative kind rather than the "everything sucks, everything will always suck, and the Federation is nothing more than the current United States IN SPACE" kind. Anything else is a disservice to Gene's vision.

 

[Judge Holden]

I don't mind liberal writers on the show, several of the old episodes are horribly unsubtle. I just want liberal writers of the Utopian and imaginative kind rather than the "everything sucks, everything will always suck, and the Federation is nothing more than the current United States IN SPACE" kind. Anything else is a disservice to Gene's vision.

The nadir of gene roddenderry that was Season 1/2 of TNG veered into straight up SJW territory when it stopped trying to do high concept progressive stories that would at worst be clunky and cheesy, and started actively taking aim at his IRL personal enemy list and caricaturing them as repulsively vile and worthless strawmen while his masturbatory "perfect humans" were depicted as objectively and vastly superior to them in every moral, intellectual, and physical way.

It took that nigga 20 years and a fucktunne of coke and a freakin brain tumor to plunge to this depth, and the end result was still more graceful and worthwhile than whatever insincere SJW shit gets farted out by woke media

 

[UnKillFill]

I don't mind liberal writers on the show, several of the old episodes are horribly unsubtle. I just want liberal writers of the Utopian and imaginative kind rather than the "everything sucks, everything will always suck, and the Federation is nothing more than the current United States IN SPACE" kind. Anything else is a disservice to Gene's vision.

There is so much of a gap between what was considered "liberal" in the 90's, and what the social justards are doing now, that I get why these faggots now call anyone to the right of literal Mao these days "Alt Right Nazis." When you're *that* batshit insane, it skews your entire world view.

Fuck them though, they've killed pretty much everything I've ever cared about at this point.

 

[Miller]

Sorry for the double post, but a few minutes later, this came out.

I'm glad that Mike brought up the bullshit supernova plot that lead to ST2009 and nuPicard, that event pretty much ruined any chance of having a good show or movie set in a post-VOY/Nemesis era.
Also I really enjoyed that part where Mike asks Jay about what he knows of TNG and it's exactly what Kurtzman did. Just like JJ-Ttrek, STD and Picard are made based on the Star Trek references in the pop culture, not the actual franchise.

 

[Tookie]

I'm glad that Mike brought up the bullshit supernova plot that lead to ST2009 and nuPicard, that event pretty much ruined any chance of having a good show or movie set in a post-VOY/Nemesis era.

I don't think it ruined it, it had potential if it was handled in a logical way as a background event. "Androids blew up Mars so we told the Romulans to GTFO" probably wasn't the route to go.

I got around to watching it last night. I give it a 5/10 (meh). I will add an additional point if they manage to continue without any characters saying something along the lines of "I fucking love math, bro." I will dock it of all 5 points if Wil Wheaton shows up in any capacity.

 

[Flexo]

I will dock it of all 5 points if Wil Wheaton shows up in any capacity.

Even if a handsome robot kills him?

 

[Tookie]

Even if a handsome robot kills him?

I suppose that would be fine but I would still be annoyed about Wil Wheaton getting a paycheck.

 

[Miller]

I would still be annoyed about Wil Wheaton getting a paycheck.

He's already being paid to shill for the show.