Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Tookie]

In any case, it's been reported in various news sources since at least the early 90s that police will often find Star Trek paraphernalia in the homes of child-molesters, with one of the most infamous examples of Trekkie/pedophile crossover being Walter Breen, husband of arch-feminist (and fellow child-molester) Marion Zimmer Bradley, author of the essay "Spock: The Archetype That Would Not Die," and possibly the real-world inspiration for the Romulan maxim to "never turn your back on a Breen" (because he'll try and sodomize you).

Not that I'm saying there's something inherent in the franchise that attracts pedophiles and slash-fic writers, just pointing out that they exist together on the fandom's darker fringes.

That seems plausible just because Star Trek was the default thing for autistic weirdos to latch onto until the world wide web became widespread. Zoomer deviants have a lot more options today.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

After seeing the first episode, and judging by the leaks, I'm pretty sure what they actually wanted to do was a woke strong female action girl show, and all the Picard/TNG member berries are just bait to make people care about this.

I mean even the title "Star Trek Picard" is designed to bait fans of TNG. Technically Picard is the main character, but this isn't really his story. It's Data's "daughters".

I wish social justards had never even heard of Trek. (And don't even give me that "Trek was always Liberal" bullshit. Liberal=/=social justard.)

SJWs: StAR tREk was ALWAys POLiTiCial sEe:

Me: Being against racism isn't "political" or exclusive to crazy SJWs on twitter. It's called being a decent human being. Btw attacking white people is also 100% racist.

I don't deny Star Trek often had a left-wing angle, but the key difference is that the writers of Good Star Trek were more interested in timeless truths that still hold to this day over an already dated political agenda

 

[Flexo]

After seeing the first episode, and judging by the leaks, I'm pretty sure what they actually wanted to do was a woke strong female action girl show, and all the Picard/TNG member berries are just bait to make people care about this.

I mean even the title "St; Picard" is designed to bait fans of TNG. Technically Picard is the main character, but this isn't really his story. It's Data's "daughters".




SJWs: StAR tREk was ALWAys POLiTiCial sEe:

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Me: Being against racism isn't "political" or exclusive to crazy SJWs on twitter. It's called being a decent human being. Btw attacking white people is also 100% racist.

I don't deny Star Trek often had a left-wing angle, but the key difference is that the writers of Good Star Trek were more interested in timeless truths that still hold to this day over an already dated political agenda

People also forget that episode was kind of shit.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

I just realized I ended up sounding more cranky than usual. It's just that I'm really fed up with all of these people ruining everything I love for shallow propaganda.

I only console on the fact that as much as they try to destroy the past, it's still for us to enjoy. And no matter how much they try destroying the past, they can't destroy the spirit of Trek. And one day it will be back.

 

[Tookie]

People also forget that episode was kind of shit.

But don't you get it? One of them is white on one side and black on the other and the other people are the inverse?? Don't you get it??? It's like black people and white people in the real world???? IT'S A METAPHOR FOR RACISM

That was heavy handed even in the 60's.

 

[GethN7]

But don't you get it? One of them is white on one side and black on the other and the other people are the inverse?? Don't you get it??? It's like black people and white people in the real world???? IT'S A METAPHOR FOR RACISM

That was heavy handed even in the 60's.

There was a subtler message that often gets lost in that episode. At the end, the civilization the two metaphors for racism comes from has basically been destroyed and those two guys just had to keep fighting even though the rest of their kind literally destroyed themselves over the same inability to let go of their hate.

The "racism is bad" bit was obvious and very on the nose, but I considered the second half of the moral message to be the better half of the message, as it was showing the logical end of not being able to stop the cycle of hatred.

 

[Flexo]

But don't you get it? One of them is white on one side and black on the other and the other people are the inverse?? Don't you get it??? It's like black people and white people in the real world???? IT'S A METAPHOR FOR RACISM

That was heavy handed even in the 60's.

By far the better episode on racism was Duet from DS9.

There was a subtler message that often gets lost in that episode. At the end, the civilization the two metaphors for racism comes from has basically been destroyed and those two guys just had to keep fighting even though the rest of their kind literally destroyed themselves over the same inability to let go of their hate.

The "racism is bad" bit was obvious and very on the nose, but I considered the second half of the moral message to be the better half of the message, as it was showing the logical end of not being able to stop the cycle of hatred.

Not sure it was the "subtler" message, the closing sequence revealing this went on for like a solid minute.

Excuse me. 2 minutes.

This is what I hate about message episodes, whenever you try to point out they are badly done, people take criticizing the presentation with criticizing the message. (Looking you Christian films...)

 

[GethN7]

By far the better episode on racism was Duet from DS9.


Not sure it was the "subtler" message, the closing sequence revealing this went on for like a solid minute.

Excuse me. 2 minutes.

This is what I hate about message episodes, whenever you try to point out they are badly done, people take criticizing the presentation with criticizing the message. (Looking you Christian films...)

Good point. I wasn't a fan of the "look at the audience and beat them over the head with the message" part and I still am not.

It's just the whole "allegory for racism" part is better remembered since so much more of the episode was devoted to it. Still agree the second half of the moral they were trying to deliver could have been given in a much less "treat the audience like idiots" manner, other episodes where they dropped a moral lesson showed a lot more tact and subtlety.

 

[Tookie]

I've been dwelling on the Bruce Maddox reference and it's starting to make me sad. In The Measure of a Man, Maddox was a vehicle for interesting philosophical questions about the nature of consciousness and whether it's possible to objectively assign sentience to an entity other than ourselves. It made me realize we'll never get anything like that from Star Trek again. It's all robot karate thots and clumsy Drumpf metaphors from here on out.

 

[Miller]

By far the better episode on racism was Duet from DS9.

Duet was more about xenophobia than racism. The one about Benny Russel was better although a bit too much.

 

[Overly Serious]

He's already being paid to shill for the show.

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I used to think nothing about Wil Wheaton one way or another. I barely watched TNG and had only a vague awareness of him. Until twenty people were gunned down in a mass shooting and Mr. Wheaton leapt at the opportunity to mock their faith.

I mean, you can be religious or you can not, but what a piece of shit.

 

[GethN7]

I used to think nothing about Wil Wheaton one way or another. I barely watched TNG and had only a vague awareness of him. Until twenty people were gunned down in a mass shooting and Mr. Wheaton leapt at the opportunity to mock their faith.

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I mean, you can be religious or you can not, but what a piece of shit.

I can smell the tipped fedora from here.

And it's quite ironic he's taking a crap on the concept of supernatural influences when his arc in the show was about him becoming a supernatural being by the end.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

People also forget that episode was kind of shit.

There were 79 episodes, and about 30 good ones.

 

[Preferred Penne]

There were 79 episodes, and about 30 good ones.

Perhaps you're thinking about Nimoy's one-man show about Vincent van Spock van Gogh.

 

[L50LasPak]

I'm willing to say that, since TOS is my favorite series of the show, a somewhat dystopian Federation could have been a good idea. The Federation in TOS may not be the full-on commie dystopia detractors of the show like to say TNG onward is, but it borders on being dystopic sometimes because space in TOS is extremely fucking dangerous. The Enterprise is always rushing out to solve some crisis, such as Sherman's Planet in Trouble With Tribbles, and sometimes some random thing can just appear out of nowhere. The death toll from the Giant Space Ameboa was literally billions of people and one of Starfleet's finest ships. Of which there were only stated to be 12.

People have even made the joke that the Enterprise is often the only ship in range because starships get destroyed or have their crews horribly killed so often that the Enterprise is like the only one left. I can count at least three starships that were permanently destroyed off the top of my head. Numerous space installations (the hilarious episode with Sulu attacking people with a rapier starts out with an important installation just dying for no explained reason from a virus that got loose), and at least one major and one minor population center all get wiped out. A lot of the time, the origin of the monster or disease of the episode isn't even explained.

Would a society like that be paranoid and perhaps even a little bit xenophobic? I know I'd be if I lived in a world where one day some thing can just fall out of the sky and nuke an entire city off the map with no warning. I can even see why the Federation would be worried about accpeting Romulan refugees (and there could be a fair amount if the Vulcans wanted to help them out) since they'd be worried about infiltrators because the Romulans have a confirmed history of doing that.

Needless to say, I think they just fucked it up again.

 

[AnOminous]

There were 79 episodes, and about 30 good ones.

And over 9000 of the good episodes were written by Harlan Ellison and would have been better if they'd just slavishly followed all of his instructions.

 

[Flexo]

I'm willing to say that, since TOS is my favorite series of the show, a somewhat dystopian Federation could have been a good idea. The Federation in TOS may not be the full-on commie dystopia detractors of the show like to say TNG onward is, but it borders on being dystopic sometimes because space in TOS is extremely fucking dangerous. The Enterprise is always rushing out to solve some crisis, such as Sherman's Planet in Trouble With Tribbles, and sometimes some random thing can just appear out of nowhere. The death toll from the Giant Space Ameboa was literally billions of people and one of Starfleet's finest ships. Of which there were only stated to be 12.

People have even made the joke that the Enterprise is often the only ship in range because starships get destroyed or have their crews horribly killed so often that the Enterprise is like the only one left. I can count at least three starships that were permanently destroyed off the top of my head. Numerous space installations (the hilarious episode with Sulu attacking people with a rapier starts out with an important installation just dying for no explained reason from a virus that got loose), and at least one major and one minor population center all get wiped out. A lot of the time, the origin of the monster or disease of the episode isn't even explained.

Would a society like that be paranoid and perhaps even a little bit xenophobic? I know I'd be if I lived in a world where one day some thing can just fall out of the sky and nuke an entire city off the map with no warning. I can even see why the Federation would be worried about accpeting Romulan refugees (and there could be a fair amount if the Vulcans wanted to help them out) since they'd be worried about infiltrators because the Romulans have a confirmed history of doing that.

Needless to say, I think they just fucked it up again.

Don't forget the time the Romulans brainwashed Geordi.

And the Federation did like just have a devastating war against the Dominion. Realistically they may not be in much shape to take in refugees.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Sad to say Star Trek Online (non-canon) done a superior job with the Romulan refugee problem as Cryptic remembered the Romulan Star Empire owns a significant chunk of Beta Quadrant real estate. Hence relocation of Romulan and Reman survivors to other systems they already owned instead of begging the Federation to let them in.

 

[Xenomorph]

Deanna Troi is the worst character in TNG.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

The Federation in TOS may not be the full-on commie dystopia detractors of the show like to say TNG onward is, but it borders on being dystopic sometimes because space in TOS is extremely fucking dangerous. The Enterprise is always rushing out to solve some crisis, such as Sherman's Planet in Trouble With Tribbles, and sometimes some random thing can just appear out of nowhere. The death toll from the Giant Space Ameboa was literally billions of people and one of Starfleet's finest ships. Of which there were only stated to be 12.

I personally see it the same way Q did in his DS9 episode.

The federation is, in fact, a Utopia... if you stay on Earth. But the price of it is that it's also boring because it's too safe. Nothing exciting ever happens inside the federation's safety bubble. So people can only get any sense of danger or adventure by joining Star Fleet or, at least, being as far of federation's space as possible.

I mean yeah, sometimes bad guys sneak in, like the changelings did once, but, overall, Earth is literally the worst place in Star Trek to have a life of adventure.

IRCC, that was pretty much Bashir's sole reason for being in DS9. He could've had any comfortable job literally anywhere else. But he chose the one place trouble was guaranteed to come.

If you stay in Earth or a safe federation colony you will never have to worry about disease or hunger. But You can only make a difference outside the utopia bubble: usually in a space ship.