Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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The reason this is not a nothing burger is the rate of infection (which seems comparable to flu) and the fact its mortality is significant. If this shit becomes a pandemic this will be worse than Spanish Flu. Significantly worse.

It does not matter how many people get infected with other diseases and die from them if those diseases are already endemic world wide, like regular flu is. Roughly the same number of people get sick and die from them every year, the system has adapted to it and is not overly strained by it. But add another disease, pile on some millions of infected and resources grow scarce and people start dying even from what would pose no danger otherwise.

It's like with water flow. If you have 1 L/s inflow and 1L/s outflow you have a stable water level. But if you double the inflow without doubling the outflow you have a flood.
As long as the spread of WuFlu is slow enough for medical services to handle the infected the consequences will be minor. But if they get overwhelmed everything will start crumbling, even things we take for granted. You may not die now from a severe case of flu because you'll get the required attention in the hospit=al, but if said hospital is already filled to the brim, you just might.


As for West Africa Ebola outbreak, stopping it was just pure luck. A lucky mutation that did not kill people inoculated the populace against the deadly strain. If it was an unlucky mutation that made it airborne then we would've had Ebola pandemic instead.
It's kinda dumb to expect another lucky break to happen. It may happen or it may not, no way to know.

So just do your duty and decrease your chances of being infected by taking care of your personal hygiene. Shouldn't be too hard. We just need to slow it down as much as possible for a year and a half or so, for the vaccine to get deployed.
Something that doesn't seem to register as an issue is the possible dual infection of the normal seasonal flu and Corona Chan.
Peak of flu season (at least in the US) is in February and Corona Chan seems to be visiting at the same time, and while it would suck to have both at the same time, what worries me is gene exchange and mutation possible in a few million walking incubators.
 
Something that doesn't seem to register as an issue is the possible dual infection of the normal seasonal flu and Corona Chan.
Peak of flu season (at least in the US) is in February and Corona Chan seems to be visiting at the same time, and while it would suck to have both at the same time, what worries me is gene exchange and mutation possible in a few million walking incubators.
Also possible fatality from having the flu then get the corona virus; pneumonia can be a bitch and lethal.
 
WHY ARE BOOMERS SO HAPPY ABOUT THIS

I've heard more than one genuine boomer say shit like 'we need a new plague' and 'we should all be beige' and 'there should be no gender'. One said this plague will make way for evolution to that point. They're fucking crazy.
 
WHY ARE BOOMERS SO HAPPY ABOUT THIS

I've heard more than one genuine boomer say shit like 'we need a new plague' and 'we should all be beige' and 'there should be no gender'. One said this plague will make way for evolution to that point. They're fucking crazy.
Probably because of all the avocado toast. Or maybe they secretly wish for death..or they just really hate avocado toast. I'd probably kill myself to if the last of the my life will be filled with that God awful milenial pink.
 
I agree with that. As some mentioned before, it's just a common sense to be prepared. In some countries schoolchildren are taught to disassemble an automatic rifle and stop arterial bleeding, so majority of country's population would be prepared in times of disasters. It just baffled me that a country who had a way bigger threat for half a century would so easily be scared by a disease.View attachment 1119131
Burger here, most American young adults were born after the collapse of the USSR, thus the phantom of MAD disappeared. Hell, most people under 24 here in the States don't remember 9/11 or the anthrax mail scare. To most young Millennials and Zoomers this is their first real potential SHTF scenario. American young adults are soft and weak on average, for many of them this is their first plausible threat to their lives.
I remember both 9/11 and anthrax, but his pandemic is rather frightening to me. Nothing to panic about in my neck of the woods yet, but a healthy dose of metered fear is a good thing - it means your survival instincts are still working. My wife is humoring my worry, like other people in this thread, it's a good excuse to start prepping.
 
Burger here, most American young adults were born after the collapse of the USSR, thus the phantom of MAD disappeared. Hell, most people under 24 here in the States don't remember 9/11 or the anthrax mail scare. To most young Millennials and Zoomers this is their first real potential SHTF scenario. American young adults are soft and weak on average, for many of them this is their first plausible threat to their lives.
I remember both 9/11 and anthrax, but his pandemic is rather frightening to me. Nothing to panic about in my neck of the woods yet, but a healthy dose of metered fear is a good thing - it means your survival instincts are still working. My wife is humoring my worry, like other people in this thread, it's a good excuse to start prepping.
I literally checked on all my go-bags last night. Getting ready to add HAZMAT suits and filters to each.
 
WHY ARE BOOMERS SO HAPPY ABOUT THIS

I've heard more than one genuine boomer say shit like 'we need a new plague' and 'we should all be beige' and 'there should be no gender'. One said this plague will make way for evolution to that point. They're fucking crazy.

If this virus kills anyone, it'll be all the old and feeble boomers who won't be able to handle the pneumonia.

Them and anyone who vapes or smokes.
 
Dumb and gay, but considering the bulk of deaths (If not the only deaths) I've heard of this are from China, I'm hoping that this spurs healthcare change over there, or at least creates pressure for it. Not to be "stupid lefties >: (", but I don't get why the big issue people are taking with this is outsiders making racist jabs, not 'This probably wouldn't be this bad if China had a better healthcare system', especially considering how little power the average citizen in China has compared to their government.

I mean, I get it's because foreigners only exist to be talking points for what those people believe in (See: "Innocent Iranians" people clamored about being worried for with the missile strikes while ignoring issues Iranian citizens faced on a daily basis), but it wouldn't hurt to pretend now and then.

WHY ARE BOOMERS SO HAPPY ABOUT THIS

I've heard more than one genuine boomer say shit like 'we need a new plague' and 'we should all be beige' and 'there should be no gender'. One said this plague will make way for evolution to that point. They're fucking crazy.
Because young people are the REAL plague here you big silly!
 
It reminds me a lot of the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic. Everyone was freaking out just like this. But it's important to be prepared and aware and voicing your fear to others can sometimes be a comfort.
Except I had a sped boss in 09 who came home from a Mexican vacation and showed up to the workplace chortling how they were feeling sick but made it home past any checks. Two days later it was confirmed swine flu and everybody got sick. I'm not panicking by investing $20 bucks in some boyscout shit and an extra bag of rice, but it makes me feel a bit more secure as I've seen how fucking stupid people are in the face of shit like this and don't want to deal with it again.
 
WHY ARE BOOMERS SO HAPPY ABOUT THIS

I've heard more than one genuine boomer say shit like 'we need a new plague' and 'we should all be beige' and 'there should be no gender'. One said this plague will make way for evolution to that point. They're fucking crazy.
They remember an Earth with only 3 billion humans on it. That Earth didn't have social media cancer.

The lung fluid must flow.
 
The CBC just posted an article refuting claims that about the stolen viruses from the Winnipeg lab.

Anybody who has followed Kyle Bass or Zero Hedge knows that there are the biggest Happeningfags outside of /pol/, so a healthy mistrust of what they say is in order.

But notice how they follow up that because of this "social panic" there are "calls to ban travellers from China from entering North American or Europe", which could have done something, if done sooner, I think. But that would hateful and cost us those sweet Yuan, so nope.

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Online claims that Chinese scientists stole coronavirus from Winnipeg lab have 'no factual basis'

A CBC News report was distorted to create conspiracy theory circulating online
Karen Pauls, Jeff Yates · CBC News · Posted: Jan 27, 2020 6:21 PM CT | Last Updated: 10 hours ago

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This photo of medical staff attending to patients was uploaded to the Weibo social media platform by the Central Hospital of Wuhan on Saturday. The city of Wuhan is the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak. (The Central Hospital of Wuhan via Weibo/Reuters)
The Public Health Agency of Canada is denying any connection between the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg, two scientists who were escorted out of the building last summer, and the coronavirus outbreak in China.
Baseless stories claiming that the two scientists are Chinese spies and that they smuggled the coronavirus to China's only Level 4 lab in Wuhan last year have been spreading on all major social media platforms and on conspiracy theorist blogs. One article from a conspiracy blog was shared more than 6,000 times on Facebook on Monday.
The story even made its way on Chinese-owned social media app TikTok, where a video pushing these claims was watched more than 350,000 times.
"This is misinformation and there is no factual basis for claims being made on social media," Eric Morrissette, chief of media relations for Health Canada and the Public Health Agency of Canada said in response to queries by CBC News.
The conspiracy theory seems to be based on a distorted reading of reporting from CBC News published last summer. One of the first mentions occurred Saturday on Twitter, where businessman Kyle Bass claimed that "a husband and wife Chinese spy team were recently removed from a Level 4 Infectious Disease facility in Canada for sending pathogens to the Wuhan facility."

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The conspiracy theory seems to be based on a distorted reading of reporting from CBC News published last summer. One of the first mentions occurred Saturday on Twitter, where businessman Kyle Bass claimed that 'a husband and wife Chinese spy team were recently removed from a Level 4 Infectious Disease facility in Canada for sending pathogens to the Wuhan facility.'
In the tweet, which was shared over 12,000 times, he linked to a story CBC News broke in July, revealing that a researcher, her husband, and some of their graduate students, were escorted out of the National Microbiology Lab (NML) in Winnipeg amid an RCMP investigation into what's being described as a possible "policy breach" and "administrative matter."
The RCMP and Health Canada have both stressed that there was no danger for public safety.
CBC reporting never claimed the two scientists were spies, or that they brought any version of the coronavirus to the lab in Wuhan.

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Experts like Fuyuki Kurasawa, director of the Global Digital Citizenship Lab at York University, say disinformation about the coronavirus is creating a 'social panic' online. (Derek Hooper/CBC News)
Experts say the disinformation is creating a "social panic" online.

"The broader damage is that there grows a mistrust toward both government authorities, public health officials, the media, authoritative sources of media, and there there becomes a social media environment where speculation, rumour and conspiracy theories take over and wash out the factual information that is being promoted online."

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This claim that China smuggled the coronavirus out of a Canadian lab has been circulating on Twitter. (CBC)
Kurasawa is already seeing that spread from the online world to the real world.
"Individuals will take it on themselves to become vigilantes, where they'll try to spot someone who supposedly is either holding the truth about some hidden truth about the coronavirus or a person who may be a carrier or supposed carrier of the virus because they appear to have certain symptoms, and then they'll ask the general public to take matters into own hands," he says.
Kernels of truth in disinformation
Dr. Xiangguo Qiu is a medical doctor and virologist from Tianjin, China, who came to Canada for graduate studies in 1996. Qiu is still affiliated with the university there and has brought in many students over the years to help with her work. She helped develop ZMapp, a treatment for the deadly Ebola virus which killed more than 11,000 people in West Africa between 2014-2016.
Her husband Keding Cheng works at the Winnipeg lab as a biologist. He has published research papers on HIV infections, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), E. coli infections and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.
One month later, CBC discovered that scientists at the NML sent live Ebola and Henipah viruses to Beijing on an Air Canada flight March 31. The Public Health Agency of Canada says all federal policies were followed. PHAC will not confirm if the March 31 shipment is part of the RCMP investigation.

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This social media posting appeared on Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter. (CBC)
Contrary to posts on Twitter, the coronavirus was not part of this shipment. And there is no confirmation Qiu or Cheng were the scientists behind the shipment.
In another followup story using travel documents obtained in Access to Information requests, CBC reported that Qiu made at least five trips to China in 2017-18, including one to train scientists and technicians at China's newly certified Level 4 lab.
She was invited to visit the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences twice a year for two years, for up to two weeks each time. The lab does research with the most deadly pathogens.

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Heidi Tworek, assistant professor in international history at University of British Columbia, says governments and public health agencies have to be more effective at communicating to the public because disinformation will spread faster than facts. (Glen Kugelstadt/CBC News )
PHAC has denied any connection between the RCMP investigation, Qiu's visits to Wuhan or any Canadian research, with the coronavirus outbreak.
However, PHAC would not comment on the current status of Qiu and Cheng, citing privacy reasons.
Communicate more effectively
Heidi Tworek, assistant professor in international history at the University of British Columbia, says governments and public health authorities need to do a better job of communicating facts at times like this, including in the languages of the communities impacted.
"It's incredibly challenging during fast-moving outbreaks of any disease to balance between information to keep the public safe and prevent something from becoming a massive epidemic and also trying to provide truthful information and also providing enough so you don't end up with a vacuum, which is where disinformation can flourish," Tworek says.
"We've seen in previous outbreaks it's been difficult to get this right, but I'd emphasize this is actually a crucial element of what we need to be thinking about into the future — how do we actually communicate well and swiftly with general public with all types of health scares? This will not be the last time we face disinformation during a potential epidemic."
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Well shit, that's pretty much solid confirmation that the spy smuggling thing is real.
 
Burger here, most American young adults were born after the collapse of the USSR, thus the phantom of MAD disappeared. Hell, most people under 24 here in the States don't remember 9/11 or the anthrax mail scare. To most young Millennials and Zoomers this is their first real potential SHTF scenario. American young adults are soft and weak on average, for many of them this is their first plausible threat to their lives.
I remember both 9/11 and anthrax, but his pandemic is rather frightening to me. Nothing to panic about in my neck of the woods yet, but a healthy dose of metered fear is a good thing - it means your survival instincts are still working. My wife is humoring my worry, like other people in this thread, it's a good excuse to start prepping.
Makes sense. That's why people go on rollercoasters.
But, yeah. Begging for a pandemic is stupid.
Worse, is trusting a communist government to release the actual statistics.
 
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