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I am terrified of dying of a fever but I scrupulously maintain at a very sedentary 400 lb so that the slightest increase in metabolism/alveolar cell death is sure to snuff me
Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big
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Thing is, the chinks last time locked down SARS and stuffed most of the infected into facilities to let the virus be starved of hosts. The way China's currently acting is quite the opposite of the SARS last time. They're panicking and it's taken them longer to deal with stuff than it has previously.
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Super interesting,i found the book mentioned publicly available online,gonna give it a read,archived for fellow kiwis!
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I have caught up with this thread and have appreciated everyone's input. This has been an interesting read on a lot of relevant info and translations.
however
and then edits "i just realized coronavirus is a group of viruses sry guys"
kys
however
whoever keeps pulling up this doo doo patent that's been posted everywhere on social media by conspiracy theorists
and then edits "i just realized coronavirus is a group of viruses sry guys"
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Alright, field report.
Keep in mind this is an upper middle class suburb of Shanghai.
None of the three stores on my block had any milk or bread, and there are shortages of some groceries, but not most fruits or vegetables. And did I mention there are no masks anywhere, and one N95 sells for $4 online.
Most stores are closed, but more because it's holiday than because of the pandemic. The streets are emptier than usual, and nearly everybody wears masks. McDonald's, KFC's, convenience stores, and most malls are open for business as usual.
Nobody in my town lives in a house facing the street. Everybody lives in a gated community or an apartment complex, which are both called compounds by local English speakers, meaning they just station people with portable thermometers at compound gates.
Keep in mind this is an upper middle class suburb of Shanghai.
None of the three stores on my block had any milk or bread, and there are shortages of some groceries, but not most fruits or vegetables. And did I mention there are no masks anywhere, and one N95 sells for $4 online.
Most stores are closed, but more because it's holiday than because of the pandemic. The streets are emptier than usual, and nearly everybody wears masks. McDonald's, KFC's, convenience stores, and most malls are open for business as usual.
Nobody in my town lives in a house facing the street. Everybody lives in a gated community or an apartment complex, which are both called compounds by local English speakers, meaning they just station people with portable thermometers at compound gates.
wtfNeedSignUp
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I don't think it's a nothingburger because the Chinese aren't exactly well known for caring about their population. If it was something infectious but with a low mortality rate they wouldn't have sealed major cities and risked their entire economy, the alternative is it being a prototype biological weapon and the chinese are afraid of the global backlash once it was discovered and now they just double down on looking like they are doing something.
As for the US, if it gets a stranglehold on coastal cities then the economy is fucked (though flyover country is very likely safe). Also, unlike the Chinese, the USA can't just wait for things to blow over (especially with coastal cities being worth more for certain political parties) and will use insane amount of resources to make sure the urbanites are fine, depriving everyone else.
Varg Did Nothing Wrong
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Whelp kiwis, I'm still only mildly worried for myself, but my best friend/crush in Germany goes between various doctors offices and hospitals for her work, and they had a confirmed case in the next town over.
So I'm going to buy her a mask. I know p100 but after a quick look on Amazon I realize I have no idea what to actually buy.
If anyone can pm me with some info on what to look for please do.
I'm also broke as all fuck, but I still want to get her something decent quality.
If she didn't work so closely with doctors and hospitals and be much more relaxed.
I'm scared for her Bros
If you're broke and she has a job, the logical thing to do would be to talk to her and tell her to think about getting a mask and wearing it for her job.
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That's not going to help them one bit. Don't they start spreading the illness before symptoms show?
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Underestimated Nutria
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There's a bit of disagreement about the overlap between the latency and incubation periods ... the strategy of measuring temperatures at airports assumes an overlap, obviously, or is otherwise just theatre. it's probably very close though.
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That's because two days after the first couple of cases of Wuflu ( they have know about this since December) they had a large banquet of 750,000 sharing and eating off the same plates. There is no way to know how many people were infected at this time breaking bread with rest of the citizens. Second by time the alarm was raised people had already left Wuhan. 5 million people had already left for the holidays. That could be 1000's of people carrying the virus all over China. A country that is over populated, has a poor healthcare system and filthy hygiene. It was ignorance, arrogance and bad timing, right now it's like watching firefighters trying to stop a out of control forest fire.
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I just find it funny.
A country being brought to its knees by one little flyboi.
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The CBC just posted an article refuting claims that about the stolen viruses from the Winnipeg lab.
Anybody who has followed Kyle Bass or Zero Hedge knows that there are the biggest Happeningfags outside of /pol/, so a healthy mistrust of what they say is in order.
But notice how they follow up that because of this "social panic" there are "calls to ban travellers from China from entering North American or Europe", which could have done something, if done sooner, I think. But that would hateful and cost us those sweet Yuan, so nope.
Anybody who has followed Kyle Bass or Zero Hedge knows that there are the biggest Happeningfags outside of /pol/, so a healthy mistrust of what they say is in order.
But notice how they follow up that because of this "social panic" there are "calls to ban travellers from China from entering North American or Europe", which could have done something, if done sooner, I think. But that would hateful and cost us those sweet Yuan, so nope.
https://cbchelp.cbc.ca/hc/en-us/requests/newA CBC News report was distorted to create conspiracy theory circulating online
Karen Pauls, Jeff Yates · CBC News · Posted: Jan 27, 2020 6:21 PM CT | Last Updated: 10 hours ago
This photo of medical staff attending to patients was uploaded to the Weibo social media platform by the Central Hospital of Wuhan on Saturday. The city of Wuhan is the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak. (The Central Hospital of Wuhan via Weibo/Reuters)
The Public Health Agency of Canada is denying any connection between the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg, two scientists who were escorted out of the building last summer, and the coronavirus outbreak in China.
Baseless stories claiming that the two scientists are Chinese spies and that they smuggled the coronavirus to China's only Level 4 lab in Wuhan last year have been spreading on all major social media platforms and on conspiracy theorist blogs. One article from a conspiracy blog was shared more than 6,000 times on Facebook on Monday.
The story even made its way on Chinese-owned social media app TikTok, where a video pushing these claims was watched more than 350,000 times.
"This is misinformation and there is no factual basis for claims being made on social media," Eric Morrissette, chief of media relations for Health Canada and the Public Health Agency of Canada said in response to queries by CBC News.
The conspiracy theory seems to be based on a distorted reading of reporting from CBC News published last summer. One of the first mentions occurred Saturday on Twitter, where businessman Kyle Bass claimed that "a husband and wife Chinese spy team were recently removed from a Level 4 Infectious Disease facility in Canada for sending pathogens to the Wuhan facility."
The conspiracy theory seems to be based on a distorted reading of reporting from CBC News published last summer. One of the first mentions occurred Saturday on Twitter, where businessman Kyle Bass claimed that 'a husband and wife Chinese spy team were recently removed from a Level 4 Infectious Disease facility in Canada for sending pathogens to the Wuhan facility.'
In the tweet, which was shared over 12,000 times, he linked to a story CBC News broke in July, revealing that a researcher, her husband, and some of their graduate students, were escorted out of the National Microbiology Lab (NML) in Winnipeg amid an RCMP investigation into what's being described as a possible "policy breach" and "administrative matter."
The RCMP and Health Canada have both stressed that there was no danger for public safety.
CBC reporting never claimed the two scientists were spies, or that they brought any version of the coronavirus to the lab in Wuhan.
Experts like Fuyuki Kurasawa, director of the Global Digital Citizenship Lab at York University, say disinformation about the coronavirus is creating a 'social panic' online. (Derek Hooper/CBC News)
Experts say the disinformation is creating a "social panic" online.
"The broader damage is that there grows a mistrust toward both government authorities, public health officials, the media, authoritative sources of media, and there there becomes a social media environment where speculation, rumour and conspiracy theories take over and wash out the factual information that is being promoted online."
This claim that China smuggled the coronavirus out of a Canadian lab has been circulating on Twitter. (CBC)
Kurasawa is already seeing that spread from the online world to the real world.
"Individuals will take it on themselves to become vigilantes, where they'll try to spot someone who supposedly is either holding the truth about some hidden truth about the coronavirus or a person who may be a carrier or supposed carrier of the virus because they appear to have certain symptoms, and then they'll ask the general public to take matters into own hands," he says.
Kernels of truth in disinformation
Dr. Xiangguo Qiu is a medical doctor and virologist from Tianjin, China, who came to Canada for graduate studies in 1996. Qiu is still affiliated with the university there and has brought in many students over the years to help with her work. She helped develop ZMapp, a treatment for the deadly Ebola virus which killed more than 11,000 people in West Africa between 2014-2016.
Her husband Keding Cheng works at the Winnipeg lab as a biologist. He has published research papers on HIV infections, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), E. coli infections and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.
One month later, CBC discovered that scientists at the NML sent live Ebola and Henipah viruses to Beijing on an Air Canada flight March 31. The Public Health Agency of Canada says all federal policies were followed. PHAC will not confirm if the March 31 shipment is part of the RCMP investigation.
This social media posting appeared on Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter. (CBC)
Contrary to posts on Twitter, the coronavirus was not part of this shipment. And there is no confirmation Qiu or Cheng were the scientists behind the shipment.
In another followup story using travel documents obtained in Access to Information requests, CBC reported that Qiu made at least five trips to China in 2017-18, including one to train scientists and technicians at China's newly certified Level 4 lab.
She was invited to visit the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences twice a year for two years, for up to two weeks each time. The lab does research with the most deadly pathogens.
Heidi Tworek, assistant professor in international history at University of British Columbia, says governments and public health agencies have to be more effective at communicating to the public because disinformation will spread faster than facts. (Glen Kugelstadt/CBC News )
PHAC has denied any connection between the RCMP investigation, Qiu's visits to Wuhan or any Canadian research, with the coronavirus outbreak.
However, PHAC would not comment on the current status of Qiu and Cheng, citing privacy reasons.
Communicate more effectively
Heidi Tworek, assistant professor in international history at the University of British Columbia, says governments and public health authorities need to do a better job of communicating facts at times like this, including in the languages of the communities impacted.
"It's incredibly challenging during fast-moving outbreaks of any disease to balance between information to keep the public safe and prevent something from becoming a massive epidemic and also trying to provide truthful information and also providing enough so you don't end up with a vacuum, which is where disinformation can flourish," Tworek says.
"We've seen in previous outbreaks it's been difficult to get this right, but I'd emphasize this is actually a crucial element of what we need to be thinking about into the future — how do we actually communicate well and swiftly with general public with all types of health scares? This will not be the last time we face disinformation during a potential epidemic."
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There are reports coming out of Japan that a bus driver, who has not been to Wuhan, has gotten the virus. He drove two groups of Chinese tourists from Wuhan:
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Japanese bus driver who had not visited China contracts coronavirus
The bus driver drove two groups of Chinese tourists from Wuhan earlier in January.
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If it was a master mind global conspiracy that "they" made up you would expect them to be a little better a hiding it. Why do retards turn every fucking thing into a conspiracy?
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Thank you for combating disinformationThe CBC just posted an article refuting claims that about the stolen viruses from the Winnipeg lab.
Anybody who has followed Kyle Bass or Zero Hedge knows that there are the biggest Happeningfags outside of /pol/, so a healthy mistrust of what they say is in order.
But notice how they follow up that because of this "social panic" there are "calls to ban travellers from China from entering North American or Europe", which could have done something, if done sooner, I think. But that would hateful and cost us those sweet Yuan, so nope.
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Manitoba
Online claims that Chinese scientists stole coronavirus from Winnipeg lab have 'no factual basis'
A CBC News report was distorted to create conspiracy theory circulating online
Karen Pauls, Jeff Yates · CBC News · Posted: Jan 27, 2020 6:21 PM CT | Last Updated: 10 hours ago
This photo of medical staff attending to patients was uploaded to the Weibo social media platform by the Central Hospital of Wuhan on Saturday. The city of Wuhan is the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak. (The Central Hospital of Wuhan via Weibo/Reuters)
The Public Health Agency of Canada is denying any connection between the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg, two scientists who were escorted out of the building last summer, and the coronavirus outbreak in China.
Baseless stories claiming that the two scientists are Chinese spies and that they smuggled the coronavirus to China's only Level 4 lab in Wuhan last year have been spreading on all major social media platforms and on conspiracy theorist blogs. One article from a conspiracy blog was shared more than 6,000 times on Facebook on Monday.
The story even made its way on Chinese-owned social media app TikTok, where a video pushing these claims was watched more than 350,000 times.
"This is misinformation and there is no factual basis for claims being made on social media," Eric Morrissette, chief of media relations for Health Canada and the Public Health Agency of Canada said in response to queries by CBC News.
The conspiracy theory seems to be based on a distorted reading of reporting from CBC News published last summer. One of the first mentions occurred Saturday on Twitter, where businessman Kyle Bass claimed that "a husband and wife Chinese spy team were recently removed from a Level 4 Infectious Disease facility in Canada for sending pathogens to the Wuhan facility."
The conspiracy theory seems to be based on a distorted reading of reporting from CBC News published last summer. One of the first mentions occurred Saturday on Twitter, where businessman Kyle Bass claimed that 'a husband and wife Chinese spy team were recently removed from a Level 4 Infectious Disease facility in Canada for sending pathogens to the Wuhan facility.'
In the tweet, which was shared over 12,000 times, he linked to a story CBC News broke in July, revealing that a researcher, her husband, and some of their graduate students, were escorted out of the National Microbiology Lab (NML) in Winnipeg amid an RCMP investigation into what's being described as a possible "policy breach" and "administrative matter."
The RCMP and Health Canada have both stressed that there was no danger for public safety.
CBC reporting never claimed the two scientists were spies, or that they brought any version of the coronavirus to the lab in Wuhan.
Experts like Fuyuki Kurasawa, director of the Global Digital Citizenship Lab at York University, say disinformation about the coronavirus is creating a 'social panic' online. (Derek Hooper/CBC News)
Experts say the disinformation is creating a "social panic" online.
"The broader damage is that there grows a mistrust toward both government authorities, public health officials, the media, authoritative sources of media, and there there becomes a social media environment where speculation, rumour and conspiracy theories take over and wash out the factual information that is being promoted online."
This claim that China smuggled the coronavirus out of a Canadian lab has been circulating on Twitter. (CBC)
Kurasawa is already seeing that spread from the online world to the real world.
"Individuals will take it on themselves to become vigilantes, where they'll try to spot someone who supposedly is either holding the truth about some hidden truth about the coronavirus or a person who may be a carrier or supposed carrier of the virus because they appear to have certain symptoms, and then they'll ask the general public to take matters into own hands," he says.
Kernels of truth in disinformation
Dr. Xiangguo Qiu is a medical doctor and virologist from Tianjin, China, who came to Canada for graduate studies in 1996. Qiu is still affiliated with the university there and has brought in many students over the years to help with her work. She helped develop ZMapp, a treatment for the deadly Ebola virus which killed more than 11,000 people in West Africa between 2014-2016.
Her husband Keding Cheng works at the Winnipeg lab as a biologist. He has published research papers on HIV infections, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), E. coli infections and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.
One month later, CBC discovered that scientists at the NML sent live Ebola and Henipah viruses to Beijing on an Air Canada flight March 31. The Public Health Agency of Canada says all federal policies were followed. PHAC will not confirm if the March 31 shipment is part of the RCMP investigation.
This social media posting appeared on Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter. (CBC)
Contrary to posts on Twitter, the coronavirus was not part of this shipment. And there is no confirmation Qiu or Cheng were the scientists behind the shipment.
In another followup story using travel documents obtained in Access to Information requests, CBC reported that Qiu made at least five trips to China in 2017-18, including one to train scientists and technicians at China's newly certified Level 4 lab.
She was invited to visit the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences twice a year for two years, for up to two weeks each time. The lab does research with the most deadly pathogens.
Heidi Tworek, assistant professor in international history at University of British Columbia, says governments and public health agencies have to be more effective at communicating to the public because disinformation will spread faster than facts. (Glen Kugelstadt/CBC News )
PHAC has denied any connection between the RCMP investigation, Qiu's visits to Wuhan or any Canadian research, with the coronavirus outbreak.
However, PHAC would not comment on the current status of Qiu and Cheng, citing privacy reasons.
Communicate more effectively
Heidi Tworek, assistant professor in international history at the University of British Columbia, says governments and public health authorities need to do a better job of communicating facts at times like this, including in the languages of the communities impacted.
"It's incredibly challenging during fast-moving outbreaks of any disease to balance between information to keep the public safe and prevent something from becoming a massive epidemic and also trying to provide truthful information and also providing enough so you don't end up with a vacuum, which is where disinformation can flourish," Tworek says.
"We've seen in previous outbreaks it's been difficult to get this right, but I'd emphasize this is actually a crucial element of what we need to be thinking about into the future — how do we actually communicate well and swiftly with general public with all types of health scares? This will not be the last time we face disinformation during a potential epidemic."
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Some bloody Danes managed to upset China with a satirical drawing https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...blic-apology-from-denmark-s-largest-newspaper
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The CBC just posted an article refuting claims that about the stolen viruses from the Winnipeg lab.
Anybody who has followed Kyle Bass or Zero Hedge knows that there are the biggest Happeningfags outside of /pol/, so a healthy mistrust of what they say is in order.
But notice how they follow up that because of this "social panic" there are "calls to ban travellers from China from entering North American or Europe", which could have done something, if done sooner, I think. But that would hateful and cost us those sweet Yuan, so nope.
---
Manitoba
Online claims that Chinese scientists stole coronavirus from Winnipeg lab have 'no factual basis'
A CBC News report was distorted to create conspiracy theory circulating online
Karen Pauls, Jeff Yates · CBC News · Posted: Jan 27, 2020 6:21 PM CT | Last Updated: 10 hours ago
This photo of medical staff attending to patients was uploaded to the Weibo social media platform by the Central Hospital of Wuhan on Saturday. The city of Wuhan is the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak. (The Central Hospital of Wuhan via Weibo/Reuters)
The Public Health Agency of Canada is denying any connection between the National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg, two scientists who were escorted out of the building last summer, and the coronavirus outbreak in China.
Baseless stories claiming that the two scientists are Chinese spies and that they smuggled the coronavirus to China's only Level 4 lab in Wuhan last year have been spreading on all major social media platforms and on conspiracy theorist blogs. One article from a conspiracy blog was shared more than 6,000 times on Facebook on Monday.
The story even made its way on Chinese-owned social media app TikTok, where a video pushing these claims was watched more than 350,000 times.
"This is misinformation and there is no factual basis for claims being made on social media," Eric Morrissette, chief of media relations for Health Canada and the Public Health Agency of Canada said in response to queries by CBC News.
The conspiracy theory seems to be based on a distorted reading of reporting from CBC News published last summer. One of the first mentions occurred Saturday on Twitter, where businessman Kyle Bass claimed that "a husband and wife Chinese spy team were recently removed from a Level 4 Infectious Disease facility in Canada for sending pathogens to the Wuhan facility."
The conspiracy theory seems to be based on a distorted reading of reporting from CBC News published last summer. One of the first mentions occurred Saturday on Twitter, where businessman Kyle Bass claimed that 'a husband and wife Chinese spy team were recently removed from a Level 4 Infectious Disease facility in Canada for sending pathogens to the Wuhan facility.'
In the tweet, which was shared over 12,000 times, he linked to a story CBC News broke in July, revealing that a researcher, her husband, and some of their graduate students, were escorted out of the National Microbiology Lab (NML) in Winnipeg amid an RCMP investigation into what's being described as a possible "policy breach" and "administrative matter."
The RCMP and Health Canada have both stressed that there was no danger for public safety.
CBC reporting never claimed the two scientists were spies, or that they brought any version of the coronavirus to the lab in Wuhan.
Experts like Fuyuki Kurasawa, director of the Global Digital Citizenship Lab at York University, say disinformation about the coronavirus is creating a 'social panic' online. (Derek Hooper/CBC News)
Experts say the disinformation is creating a "social panic" online.
"The broader damage is that there grows a mistrust toward both government authorities, public health officials, the media, authoritative sources of media, and there there becomes a social media environment where speculation, rumour and conspiracy theories take over and wash out the factual information that is being promoted online."
This claim that China smuggled the coronavirus out of a Canadian lab has been circulating on Twitter. (CBC)
Kurasawa is already seeing that spread from the online world to the real world.
"Individuals will take it on themselves to become vigilantes, where they'll try to spot someone who supposedly is either holding the truth about some hidden truth about the coronavirus or a person who may be a carrier or supposed carrier of the virus because they appear to have certain symptoms, and then they'll ask the general public to take matters into own hands," he says.
Kernels of truth in disinformation
Dr. Xiangguo Qiu is a medical doctor and virologist from Tianjin, China, who came to Canada for graduate studies in 1996. Qiu is still affiliated with the university there and has brought in many students over the years to help with her work. She helped develop ZMapp, a treatment for the deadly Ebola virus which killed more than 11,000 people in West Africa between 2014-2016.
Her husband Keding Cheng works at the Winnipeg lab as a biologist. He has published research papers on HIV infections, severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), E. coli infections and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.
One month later, CBC discovered that scientists at the NML sent live Ebola and Henipah viruses to Beijing on an Air Canada flight March 31. The Public Health Agency of Canada says all federal policies were followed. PHAC will not confirm if the March 31 shipment is part of the RCMP investigation.
This social media posting appeared on Weibo, China's equivalent of Twitter. (CBC)
Contrary to posts on Twitter, the coronavirus was not part of this shipment. And there is no confirmation Qiu or Cheng were the scientists behind the shipment.
In another followup story using travel documents obtained in Access to Information requests, CBC reported that Qiu made at least five trips to China in 2017-18, including one to train scientists and technicians at China's newly certified Level 4 lab.
She was invited to visit the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences twice a year for two years, for up to two weeks each time. The lab does research with the most deadly pathogens.
Heidi Tworek, assistant professor in international history at University of British Columbia, says governments and public health agencies have to be more effective at communicating to the public because disinformation will spread faster than facts. (Glen Kugelstadt/CBC News )
PHAC has denied any connection between the RCMP investigation, Qiu's visits to Wuhan or any Canadian research, with the coronavirus outbreak.
However, PHAC would not comment on the current status of Qiu and Cheng, citing privacy reasons.
Communicate more effectively
Heidi Tworek, assistant professor in international history at the University of British Columbia, says governments and public health authorities need to do a better job of communicating facts at times like this, including in the languages of the communities impacted.
"It's incredibly challenging during fast-moving outbreaks of any disease to balance between information to keep the public safe and prevent something from becoming a massive epidemic and also trying to provide truthful information and also providing enough so you don't end up with a vacuum, which is where disinformation can flourish," Tworek says.
"We've seen in previous outbreaks it's been difficult to get this right, but I'd emphasize this is actually a crucial element of what we need to be thinking about into the future — how do we actually communicate well and swiftly with general public with all types of health scares? This will not be the last time we face disinformation during a potential epidemic."
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I see you Trudeau-fag.
Just so when we reach the point of nuking the nations responsible we'll save your precious Winnipeg and Toronto...
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I feel like a good number of people in the West would either call emergency services or go with telemedicine if they thought they had this. Would be rather hilarious if the reason we survive corona virus is because our healthcare insurance companies are cheap assholes who make it so only telemedicine is affordable.
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