YABookgate

[Mola Ram]

"Weirdly it even comes off as sexist to the cis protag."

I've only seen the movie so I'm not sure if this applies to the book, but my reading of it was that Starling did face discrimination as a woman in a profession dominated by males. This is why the movie employs the uncomfortable POV shots that are right at eye level while Starling is talking to most of the male characters, with most of them coming off as either condescending or creepy.

Calling the work "weirdly sexist" misses the entire point when that's literally what the main character is experiencing, but I guess that's too subtle for people these days.

It's a very strong theme in the book as well, and arguably what sets it apart from Red Dragon.

 

[SnarkySperg]

>want to write YA fantasy fiction but don't want to dip my toe into this bullshit

I mean, you have a few options.
1. Write middle grade fantasy fiction. I've never seen the rabid YA fans attack anything in MG yet.
2. Write it under a pseudonym. Someone else here suggested that and I can get behind that idea.
3. Write adult fantasy fiction. There isn't a whole lot of that that I can think of (other than paranormal romance, which is it's own thing IMO) and based on what I've seen, I'm sure there'd be interest. I know plenty of adults who love fantasy novels and I'm sure they'd all appreciate a book not soaked in wokeness.

Don't let these morons censor you. That's what they want.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Calling the work "weirdly sexist" misses the entire point when that's literally what the main character is experiencing, but I guess that's too subtle for people these days.

Yeah, instead of showing that Clarice has to overcome discrimination, the narration should state as many times as possible that the people saying sexist things are bad and be written as over the top strawmen, otherwise it can't be understood.

 

[SnarkySperg]

Yeah, instead of showing that Clarice has to overcome discrimination, the narration should state as many times as possible that the people saying sexist things are bad and be written as over the top strawmen, otherwise it can't be understood.

Don't the SJWs love over the top strawmen though? It's how Jussie Smollett got people to believe him. They think everyone they don't like is unironically a huge, unrealistically cartoon villain type of person.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Don't the SJWs love over the top strawmen though? It's how Jussie Smollett got people to believe him. They think everyone they don't like is unironically a huge, unrealistically cartoon villain type of person.

That's what I meant. Since the sexist characters in Silence of the Lambs behaved like normal humans with biases instead of over the top strawman, the SJW reviewer couldn't grasp that the book was painting their statements as bad. It was too subtle for her.

 

[Someone in a Tree]

That's what I meant. Since the sexist characters in Silence of the Lambs behaved like normal humans with biases instead of over the top strawman, the SJW reviewer couldn't grasp that the book was painting their statements as bad. It was too subtle for her.

That’s why they stick to YA. Less nuance.

 

[SnarkySperg]

https://maryww.com/2009/04/14/the-t...ture-and-what-publishers-can-do-to-stop-them/
This article is interesting. Note the date too.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

How long until woke YA Twitter starts retweeting this seriously?

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I despise that the author ripped that quote off of Rogue One, and I despise even more this recent trend of "WHAT IF DRUMPF PUTS MUSLIMS IN INTERNMENT CAMPS" fiction. It's Oppression Porn, pure and simple.

Yes, everything these people consume is Oppression Porn. That's why they're addicted to the Handmaid's Tale.

Calling the work "weirdly sexist" misses the entire point when that's literally what the main character is experiencing, but I guess that's too subtle for people these days.

Most SJW consoomers are stupid. If the film doesn't say "it's feminist!" they don't get it. And even if the movie doesn't even show any of it, they make it feminist. Theonly way they can feel any sympathy is if the character is not only feminist but their actions are. And the movie has to be feminist to be good.

Clarice doesn't stand up and start pointing out how the patriarchy oppresses her. She only does her job and proves everybody she's as capable as anybody else. Like pretty much every other movie from the 80s-90s with a female character. Not enough.

This does not make me want to read this book.

"My life as a Background Slytherin" has all the potential to be a good comedy I would enjoy. Some poor average kid who only wants to be an average wizard and not only has to lose classes all the time because of Harry Potter, but everybody's scared of him for being an evil magic nazi while he has to point out how ridiculous everything is. Something like Rozencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead.

But these people don't have the brains or cynicism to do such, so, meh.

 

[QuokkaCaptain]

Yes, everything these people consume is Oppression Porn. That's why they're addicted to the Handmaid's Tale.

You know, I get that the Handmaid's Tale came out thirty-odd years ago and was written for a very different time, but I have come to absolutely despise that book, and the TV show as well. Maybe because it was written thirty years ago but is being liberally (lol) used to support a "DRUMPH IS GONNA OPPRESS THE WOMEN!" agenda in the here and now.

Most SJW consoomers are stupid. If the film doesn't say "it's feminist!" they don't get it. And even if the movie doesn't even show any of it, they make it feminist. Theonly way they can feel any sympathy is if the character is not only feminist but their actions are. And the movie has to be feminist to be good.

It's depressing when you put it that way, but it's true.

Pretty sure I've said this elsewhere, but if it's superficially sexist, they'll take it at face value and dig no deeper; and if it's superficially feminist and they want a reason to hate it, they will dig and dig and twist and misrepresent until it's the Literal Most Sexist Thing Ever. If they want a reason to complain or hate something, they will invent one because they lack the maturity to understand that "just because I don't like something doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it".

"My life as a Background Slytherin" has all the potential to be a good comedy I would enjoy. Some poor average kid who only wants to be an average wizard and not only has to lose classes all the time because of Harry Potter, but everybody's scared of him for being an evil magic nazi while he has to point out how ridiculous everything is. Something like Rozencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead.

But these people don't have the brains or cynicism to do such, so, meh.

My Life as a Background Slytherin isn't awful. Generally pawing through the collection she's got there, I only encountered one or two to do with gender or sexuality. Some of the humor's pretty good, and others fall kind of flat. This one in particular reminded me of floccinaucinihilipilificationa's comics.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

You know, I get that the Handmaid's Tale came out thirty-odd years ago and was written for a very different time, but I have come to absolutely despise that book, and the TV show as well. Maybe because it was written thirty years ago but is being liberally (lol) used to support a "DRUMPH IS GONNA OPPRESS THE WOMEN!" agenda in the here and now.

I've heard that the book is a bit more on the nose with how it's based on fundamentalist Islamic countries and sharia law, and I figure that a lot of the people obsessed with the show would call the book islamaphobic and bigoted if they read it.

 

[GnomeofDoc]

Well never thought that YA books of all things would devolve into this, it’s just fantasy/sci-Fi/romance/whatever the fuck, but for teens? Like how hard is it to just make books that some kinda want to read? I mean we can have the “woke” books but we don’t have to start burning everything

 

[Shield Breaker]

Well never thought that YA books of all things would devolve into this, it’s just fantasy/sci-Fi/romance/whatever the fuck, but for teens? Like how hard is it to just make books that some kinda want to read? I mean we can have the “woke” books but we don’t have to start burning everything

Speculative Fiction is just as bad, but they don't chimp out in public as much.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

You know, I get that the Handmaid's Tale came out thirty-odd years ago and was written for a very different time, but I have come to absolutely despise that book, and the TV show as well. Maybe because it was written thirty years ago but is being liberally (lol) used to support a "DRUMPH IS GONNA OPPRESS THE WOMEN!" agenda in the here and now.

I've heard that the book is a bit more on the nose with how it's based on fundamentalist Islamic countries and sharia law, and I figure that a lot of the people obsessed with the show would call the book islamaphobic and bigoted if they read it.

The book is softcore pornography. Or could be taken as an erotic take on rape. The other political elements were added later to make it more woke and "current". Of course, feminists would never admit they watch something like this, so they have to first sanction it as "this is wrong!" before masturbating to Offred being ritualistic used by her master.

The version made in 1990 was good, though. Straight to the point without much saying.

(Funny, I remember i read a review saying that the book was also a cautionary tale on feminism. In the story, women also became infertile and many didn't want children. This whole new system also wanted it to protect them from loose sex and pornography and we know certain feminist groups want precisely that.)

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Been considering joining a book club someday. Depending on the age group, how woke have they gotten nowadays, and could you be kicked for wrongthink?

 

[Coelacanth]

Been considering joining a book club someday. Depending on the age group, how woke have they gotten nowadays, and could you be kicked for wrongthink?

The last writing/book club I went to was a few years ago was for adults and it was extremely woke. Mind you it was just after Trump won the election but most of the people there were frothing at the mouth about it and cheering whenever someone mentioned how racist he was (I sincerely wish I was joking about this) so I bailed out as soon as I could before they found out I didn't think he was the worst thing to ever happen.

I don't know if the wokeness has regressed/progressed since then, though. Not sure about teens - most of them from what I can tell only really care about, 'yknow, having fun and enjoying what they're reading - but in the UK reading isn't all that high on the agenda so I can't give an accurate account of what the younger book clubs are like.

 

[GeorgiaGuidestones]

Been considering joining a book club someday. Depending on the age group, how woke have they gotten nowadays, and could you be kicked for wrongthink?

My friend recently joined a book club and because of general female cattiness and Orange Man Bad, she was pushed out because she refused to partake in that crap. Mind you, these ladies were not millennials, but boomers with nothing else to do.

 

[AbyssStarer]

You could try out the "/lit/ not dead edition" group on goodreads if you aren't too biased against 4chan.

 

[AnimeGirlConnoisseur]

2. Write it under a pseudonym. Someone else here suggested that and I can get behind that idea.

Hey guys, I just wanted to remind you that there's going to be a really cool novel that's going to come out in 3-5 years. I don't know what the title is going to be, but it's going to be about a cute ginger girl in a fantasy setting that fights bad guys with magic and it's going to be written by my good friend Pinkqueshia Rosita Cortez-Thalerberg, a paraplegic, Muslim, transsexual, afro-latinx lesbian who is an illegal immigrant and adoptive daughter to a nice Jewish couple (whom she absolutely adores)!

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

adoptive daughter to a nice Jewish couple (whom she absolutely adores)!

So, what you're saying is she hates Palestinians and is a Nazi. Cancelled.