Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Takayuki Yagami]

King ding reports pajeets found hiv parts in the virus. Pajeet says the only way that gets in there is if a human does it. King Ding says wait until study can be replicated before confirmation of bio weapon. One pajeet doctor says it's helps the virus enter the cells easier because it restricts the virus ability to mutate. Can someone find out if there is a average leathalness of bio-weapons? Why waste time on a weapon that only has a 2% kill rate?

If street shitters are right were fuck ladies and gents.

I’m not sure if that makes sense if the intention is to make it less mutagenic. HIV is extremely prone to mutation even by the standards of viruses. That’s why creating a vaccine has been such a bitch.

 

[Secret Asshole]

GUYS IT'S TOTALLY NOT A BIOWEAPON . On the other hand i wonder how the polution goblins is going to explain this to the world.

This epidemiologist forgot a wee bit of an important detail before banging the alarm bells:

It is made available under a CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license. Preprint (which was not peer-reviewed) is the author/funder, who has granted bioRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity. bioRxiv preprint first posted online Jan. 31, 2020; doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871.

There are questions that instantly pop to mind:

Do any other viruses align with specific sequences or just HIV? Are these sequences unique to just HIV or are they present in other viruses?

I mean, I feel like everyone suspects China fucked up their bio-weapons program anyway and they were tinkering around with shit, someone fucked up and because of the culture of 'face', didn't say shit and caused a world-wide pandemic.

King ding reports pajeets found hiv parts in the virus. Pajeet says the only way that gets in there is if a human does it. King Ding says wait until study can be replicated before confirmation of bio weapon. One pajeet doctor says it's helps the virus enter the cells easier because it restricts the virus ability to mutate. Can someone find out if there is a average leathalness of bio-weapons? Why waste time on a weapon that only has a 2% kill rate?

If street shitters are right were fuck ladies and gents.

Bio-Weapons don't need to be designed to kill. A good bio-weapon would leave soldiers sick but not dead, forcing your enemy to care for them, leaving double manpower drains and forcing them to use hazmat suits. And if it comes back on your guys, you know what you engineered, so you have a vaccine ready. A bio-weapon for killing potential would be a fast spread, fast kill so it could just burn itself out. If it was a bio weapon, it was likely designed with the intent to incapacitate the enemy, forcing manpower and use of advanced medical supplies and restrictive hazmat suits in combat. Of course, with the US' air superiority, we'd likely pull back and just bomb the fuck out of them. More likely, this was to be used as a method of control for the Chinese people and not on an enemy state. Just virus bomb Hong Kong and quarantine it, forcing them to rely on the government. It makes more sense than a bioweapon for an enemy state. Bioweapons are really pretty shit. Like its just better all around to use chemical weapons if you're going to do it.

But as others have said, every country has a bio-weapons program, if only to defend against any possible combinations and not actually be used. Or, alternatively, Level 4 labs design lethal pathogens to figure out how to cure them, like a level 4 lab in the US recreated the Spanish Flu but only more infectious.

In any event, it just reveals the fact that China can't be trusted with literally anything, as their culture of hiding incompetence results in this. And with a Level 4 facility, you NEED transparency. No fucking way they got it. I do fully believe this was engineered. Level 4 lab in Wuhan? Americans convicted of helping smuggle data to Wuhan? Yeah, some fucking coincidence.

The likely event is some asshole didn't decontaminate properly and went to buy food and it just exploded from there.

 

[AJneedsElocution]

From the White house press conference

Relevant/important info 17.40-21.00

White House Briefing On COVID-19 | NBC News (Live Stream Recording)

The White House holds a press briefing with members of President Trump's COVID-19 task force. » Subscribe to NBC News: http://nbcnews.to/SubscribeToNBC » Wat...

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-Asymptotic transmission confirmed.
-Any US citizen/permanent resident Hubei province subject to 14 days mandatory quarantined (facility).
-Any US citizen/permanent resident returning from rest of mainland china previous 14 days, proactive health screening selected ports, self-quarantining
-Temporarily blocking foreign nationals who pose a threat. Denied entry into the US.


All measures kick in 48hrs from now on sunday

 

[Judge Holden]

From the White house press conference

Relevant/important info 17.40-21.00

White House Briefing On COVID-19 | NBC News (Live Stream Recording)

The White House holds a press briefing with members of President Trump's COVID-19 task force. » Subscribe to NBC News: http://nbcnews.to/SubscribeToNBC » Wat...

www.youtube.com

-Asymptotic transmission confirmed.
-Any US citizen/permanent resident Hubei province subject to 14 days mandatory quarantined (facility).
-Any US citizen/permanent resident returning from rest of mainland china previous 14 days, proactive health screening selected ports, self-quarantining
-Temporarily blocking foreign nationals who pose a threat. Denied entry into the US.


All measures kick in 48hrs from now on sunday

"Are these chinks even human or not?"

 

[Shaka Brah]

This epidemiologist forgot a wee bit of an important detail before banging the alarm bells:

It is made available under a CC-BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license. Preprint (which was not peer-reviewed) is the author/funder, who has granted bioRxiv a license to display the preprint in perpetuity. bioRxiv preprint first posted online Jan. 31, 2020; doi: http://dx.doi.org/10.1101/2020.01.30.927871.

There are questions that instantly pop to mind:

Do any other viruses align with specific sequences or just HIV? Are these sequences unique to just HIV or are they present in other viruses?

I mean, I feel like everyone suspects China fucked up their bio-weapons program anyway and they were tinkering around with shit, someone fucked up and because of the culture of 'face', didn't say shit and caused a world-wide pandemic.

If you read the paper, they analyzed the amino acid sequences of all other Coronavirus cultures known in the literature, as well as the natural samples collected from bats, and none of them had even 1 of the 4 unusual proteins in that area.

Which is to say that according to them these four novel proteins never occur in any other coronavirus in nature.

 

[Haramburger]

https://archive.li/v6UON Archive of the /pol/ thread with that insider leaking info. Been ages since i was in a thread like this that wasnt made by a larper.

When they'r real they're amazing, thanks for the archive link.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

About the paper and the bioweapon angle: 1-and this is important. THE PAPER NEEDS PEER REVIEW. NEVER trust a single paper with no outside confirmation. That being said, IF it indeed is correct:
2-about what this means vaccination-wise: we're fuuuuuuuucked. Pop quiz. How do vaccines work? Well, they help the body by mimicking the virus so it can target it. More concretely, they (by one of multiple mechanisms I wont get into) copy the proteins in the capside structure. And what if the virus mutates too fast? Well then, like the flu, it just keeps coming back and vaccinations only work that year. This baby ain't goin' nowhere!
3-about the HIV: That does give some credit to the bioweapon angle. The HIV is notoriously hard to immunize against precisely because of how it inserts itself in the body, if it has that mechanism, this was meant to be as hard as possible to cure. It also btw makes it even harder to build any kind of immunity (natural or vaccine related) so the best way to stop tge virus is quarantine and symptomatic treatment. The west can handle that, China is boned so hard this virus will be up there with Mao on the list of shit that just went wrong.
4-So what does this mean origins wise? Well. This virus is exactly the kind of thing that is good at highlighting a medical and social system's inneficiencies. It's easy enough to treat, so long as the hospital is ready, but hard to vaccinate and night impossible to cure. Basically, it really does seem designed to cull certain countries while sending a message. Does that mean it is? Only if tge paper is right of course, but if so, yeah. By whom? Well. Either an activist with extreme knowledge of biology, someone working for a government that can handle it, or, well, China.
I can already hear you ask "wait wtf why china?" Well. Symptoms wise, had it not caused pneumonia, it would be practically non-lethal, and china might've been under the impression a non-lethal but extremely annoying virus can keep the population dependent. More importantly, they might've just focused on the infection and resilience part without bothering about the lethality and not realized how moronic that was. Now, I know both of these options involve every person on the team having an IQ so low they might just be declared braindead, but, this is china we're talking about. If there's one thing their government has proven is that their skulls could be used as bongos while they sleep.
My theory? Every report says it came from the market. Some say the bat soup, others the snake meat, I think it's the second. You see, ladies and gentlemen, here in the west labs working with viry (even those that can only affect larvae of species that are not even native to the area) seal and incinerate everything that has touched something that has in turn touched the virus. Even on university lab practices, because of fear of mutation causing ecological issues. China is like that, but, their code is much laxer, and it only takes 1 intern stupid enough to throw down the drain the wrong thing. Then laboratories in the west have drains which are connected to purification systems, either directly or communal, for obvious safety reasons, china doesn't, not all at least, meaning a lot of that waste goes to the rivers. And who lives in and around said rivers? Snakes, and who hunts and sells snakes? Chinese people, on the market. Hey Winnie the Pooh: wanna guess why the west has so many safety measures?

 

[Noideawhattopick]

Maybe the stone was right all along:

270-Million-Year-Old Stone Has Words: ‘Chinese Communist Party Perishes’
By
The Epoch Times
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November 14, 2017

In June 2002, a 270 million-year-old “hidden words stone” was discovered in Guizhou, China. A crack that formed 500 years ago in a large stone revealed six clearly discernible Chinese characters; the characters clearly spell “The Chinese Communist Party perishes [Zhōngguó gòngchǎndǎng wáng 中國共產党亡].” The character “perish” [wáng 亡] is especially large.https://www.facebook.com/sharer.php...bears-words-chinese-communist-party-perishes/
The official media in Mainland China have all reported this news, but they have hidden the word “perish” and only mention the words “The Chinese Communist Party.” However, the word “perish” can be clearly seen in photos posted on the People’s Daily Online and state-run media Xinhua.net

270-Million-Year-Old Stone Has Words: ‘Chinese Communist Party Perishes’

In June 2002, a 270 million-year-old “hidden words stone” was discovered in Guizhou, China. A crack that formed 500 years ago in a large stone revealed six clearly discernible Chinese characters; the characters clearly spell “The Chinese Communist Party perishes [Zhōngguó gòngchǎndǎng wáng...

www.beyondsciencetv.com

It's "Beyond Science", so forget what you ever learned.
One can dream, can't he?

 

[MadStan]

I hope everyone here realizes that the figures in China are vastly greater, and they simply do not have enough mecial staff to check everyone - when they need to tend to people in critical condition.

At this point we are at a divergence from the models because there is no possible way to keep up with the effort to diagnose. At this stage, pretty much the only confirmed infections we will hear from are those that are dying and admitted to hospital. Those without severe enough symptoms won't even be checked.

Because there simply isn't enough medical staff. And to anyone thinking the USA health system can handle this, think again. When was the last time there were enough doctors and hospital beds spare for 100,000 people on top of regular traffic?

Never. And there won't be.

 

[Otterly]

Very interesting thread about how the virus suspicously seem to have HIV genes in it.

Do any other viruses align with specific sequences or just HIV? Are these sequences unique to just HIV or are they present in other viruses?

reading down the thread it seems the sequences are found in other viruses so while this is indeed eyebrow raising
It is technically possible for coronavirus and HIV to swap material - both have the same sense RNA.

there is a lot that’s weird about this virus. Asymptomatic or during incubation transmission is unusual - to me, finding which of those (or both) is true is extremely important. Most coronaviruses you can reinfect with so that’s not novel.
How it mutates will be important too. They’ve isolated multiple strains already so it’s clearly something that is changing rapidly. Whether we get a reduction or a rise in severity/infectivity is going to be important. One will lead to a second infection wave and the other to it perhaps being a milder but more widespread illness.

 

[Atomic Wangler]

YouTube

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So, AsapSCIENCE mentions antibiotic resistant disease in America as if it's supposed to make Chinese wet markets any less of a freak show. Problem is, IIRC, the Chinese LOVE administering antibiotic to anything they can. There was a story almost a decade back at this point where China wiped out a bunch of their fisheries by creating antibiotic resistant strain of some disease that affects fish by over administering antibiotics.

 

[Secret Asshole]

If you read the paper, they analyzed the amino acid sequences of all other Coronavirus cultures known in the literature, as well as the natural samples collected from bats, and none of them had even 1 of the 4 unusual proteins in that area.

Which is to say that according to them these four novel proteins never occur in any other coronavirus in nature.

And as @EmuWarsVeteran said, don't trust a paper that hasn't yet been peer reviewed.

In any event, I believe it is engineered anyway. The jury is out on bioweapon or just tinkering to cure. Either way, there's too much shit that points to Wuhan Level 4. It also explains China's panic mode and cover up. This was an engineered virus that got loose. Sometimes samples intentionally go missing from Level 4 labs, but that is immediately made known and people have been arrested for stealing shit. But no pandemics have occurred because of one.

Imagine China, with their first level 4 lab opened only two years or so ago, causes a worldwide pandemic. The international implications are catastrophic, possibly lethal (literally and figuratively). No one would (or should) trust China with it and demand it be removed, possibly sanction them. Obviously this is not going to come out, it will be done with detailed analysis, but even then, without concrete evidence, its hard. I have no doubt the CCP have already purged the people in Wuhan responsible for this.

I think it'll always be suspected, but we'll never be able to prove it.

 

[knobslobbin]

New model predicts the RO value is 4.08. That's bad. Real bad.

 

[Secret Asshole]

reading down the thread it seems the sequences are found in other viruses so while this is indeed eyebrow raising
It is technically possible for coronavirus and HIV to swap material - both have the same sense RNA.

there is a lot that’s weird about this virus. Asymptomatic or during incubation transmission is unusual - to me, finding which of those (or both) is true is extremely important. Most coronaviruses you can reinfect with so that’s not novel.
How it mutates will be important too. They’ve isolated multiple strains already so it’s clearly something that is changing rapidly. Whether we get a reduction or a rise in severity/infectivity is going to be important. One will lead to a second infection wave and the other to it perhaps being a milder but more widespread illness.

I mean, its a weird bird all around. The problem is the CCP are pieces of shit and we don't really know how catastrophic it really is. Is China reacting to this because it was engineered or because this is a Spanish Flu situation? We don't know. They'll vanish anyone who talks. If it is indeed catastrophic, hopefully this results in the destruction of the CCP. I wish it were a guarantee.

New model predicts the RO value is 4.08. That's bad. Real bad.

More wonderful news.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

Why do these "I fucking love science" idiots act like people are incapable of worrying about multiple things at once? Humans have a complex brain that handles worries over millions of things everyday. Use your complex brain and be concerned about all these illnesses.

It's not hard to remember the symptoms and methods of prevention for multiple ailments if you are of average intelligence.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Why do these "I fucking love science" idiots act like people are incapable of worrying about multiple things at once? Humans have a complex brain that handles worries over millions of things everyday. Use your complex brain and be concerned about all these illnesses.

It's not hard to remember the symptoms and methods of prevention for multiple ailments if you are of average intelligence.

Well, the people who Fucking Love Science tend to be of average or below intelligence. They just have a high sense of their own worth.

 

[AnotherPleb]

I hear you. Unfortunately, don't believe China's statistics at all. Believe things are much worse. Remember, this country is ruled by a regime that puts their image over the welfare of their people.

Another possible source of supplies may be the People's Armed Police, paramilitaries. Not as numerous as the PLA but they are deployed nation-wide. Could have medical supplies stocked for contingencies such as putting down revolts/rebellions, etc. In my opinion at a time like this most governments would say, "Open the warehouses, get as much as we can to the people, get stuff out of deep storage, tell Contracting to activate line items in contracts with suppliers or turn on those contingency contracts. They're three shifts, seven days until we tell them not to, and get the shit out the door as soon as produced." Most governments will have contractual agreements of this type. Not real esoteric. A little power level - spent five years in acquisition management with some contracting on the side. The basic types of contracts are the same anywhere you go. But we're dealing with the CCP here.

Why would the CCP activate those contracts? They already have the Party protected. At this point anything they're doing is just to make sure they look like they have things under control. The only issue they're having is that they put those massive quarantine zones up; anyone with a half-functioning brain knows that level of complete shutdown doesn't happen unless shit has hit the fan in a catastrophic way.

Make no mistake: all the signs point to this being the CCP's Chernobyl, and all the talk in this thread about the virus being connected to that lab rings close enough to being true that heads have already rolled. There's enough people in the Party to know how the optics on that look (even if it isn't true) for anyone of importance in that lab to have not taken a swim in the local river with lead flippers.

 

[Vulcanusii]

Turns out folks are finding new ways to spread the corona

Spoiler: It's Cum

 

[Otterly]

New model predicts the RO value is 4.08. That's bad. Real bad.

Also says the mortality rate is comparable to SARS. Ouch.

 

[Disheveled Human]

New model predicts the RO value is 4.08. That's bad. Real bad.

Not peer reviewed... But health organizations will usually take it into consideration during a fast moving outbreak, but not necessarily go off it. Looking at how the WHO and countries not near the epicenter of the outbreak are acting they wont heed the warning of it regardless if it holds water or not. Business stopping would be worse from "their" standpoint currently which may be accurate. Supply shortages and prolonged economic damage on a global scale will kill people just from a numbers standpoint. I'm not educated enough to say what is the correct course of action is especially without clear data. The only thing we can do is hope that governments affected by this are playing the situation optimally.