Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[pwnest injun]

Cali Drumpfler voters?

Once containment is gone, it's going everywhere. It just takes one asshole.
In other words, Life uh unm uh finds a way.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

It's possible we are focused on the wrong metrics for measuring the impact of the WuFlu.

Mortality means little compared to economic autism. Manufacturing and commodities markets are down on the Shanghei and Shenzhen exchanges, healthcare stocks are up. Were it not for healthcare stocks rallying, those losses would have been around 18%.

China has a middle class these days, they are pretty reasonable people who have seen their wealth increase dramatically over the last 20 years. It's comparable in some ways to the 50s - 70s in the US, you have a lot of people who have risen out of poverty and will not accept going back for any reason. Their government sells itself as stewards of the growth in prosperity, they basically tell everyone to trust them and don't ask any questions.

That middle class just took a haircut. They're going to want that money back. While they listen to the government's story and express confidence in their ability to handle things, privately, it's a different story. Most households are already having to cut back on pork, many are not allowed to go out and buy fresh food until this all clears up. People have been killing their pets and there's more personal restrictions coming. While most people don't think about the GDP because they know CCP economic figures are garbage, they know what lost productivity means because it's been drilled in their heads all their lives.

If you're a party leader in China, that's a pretty scary psychographic to have to deal with. You know there won't be a violent revolution because your entire society is set up to prevent one from every happening. That doesn't mean pockets of unrest won't occur, you are mobilizing your propaganda machine to counter it. You know weathering this storm won't be easy and you will probably have to increase imports to keep people from going nuts. So you might be looking at all those t-bills you have sitting in the treasury and thinking about a sell-off, asking yourself how much needs to transfer to stem the tide. You have to be careful tho, because all the Belt and Road stuff depends on having massive amounts of US Debt to convert to physical assets in other countries. Go too far and you will find yourself on trial a year later for betraying the people's trust or some other nonsense. You're probably moving personal assets overseas and talking to your family about taking a vacation to Europe or America.

That's the impact of WuFlu. Things might be better a few weeks from now, they might be worse. But everyone is wondering if they really have the government to handle this. Deep down, many people know they don't, this single outbreak has lead to mass disruption. While they don't know how to put this into words, the lack of meaningful institutions allows unpredictable externalities to damage their entire economy. China is a big place that's done some amazing things, and no one wants to see it fall because they don't know how to manage risk.

I, for one, hope this whole debacle will set off a massive economic crisis that obliterates China as we know it.
Large parts of the Chinese economy were held aloft by toothpicks and the construction of giant ghost-cities, just to keep the economic growth as high up as possible. If China is forced to spent a shitton of money to duct-tape together their economy while everything effectively stands still for several weeks (while a shitton of investors go "Maybe it's time to cash my chips after all"), that might spiral out of control really quickly.

@Rausch made a pretty good post about how the people's attitude towards their government can change in a heartbeat after something like this.
I doubt that everyone is happy with how things run in China and the general notion is "Sure, we have to endure a lot of bullshit from the CCP, but at least they keep us safe and have everything under control", but with this stuff going on, a lot of people will lose that attitude.
It's not so much that they trust their goverment, but they can accept some major flaws as long as everything seems to work out somehow. If the economy now gets shaken up and a shitton of people die due to the CCP's inability to run their goddamned country, what little support people had will vaporize.

And frankly, maybe it would be for the best if China collapsed like the Soviet Union. Their attitude is similar to that of Japan in the early 20th century. They are torn between megalomania ("5000 years of culture!") and an inferiority complex ("The century of humiliation") and that makes for a dangerous mix. If that shitshow went down the crapper, it might as well prevent a major war.

... we've still got many people who don't wash their hands after using the restroom, either, and the like.

At least they are using the restroom and not just taking a dump in the middle of the road.

 

[No_one]

It's worse than just random parents, it's culture-wide. Boys are on the hook to care for their aging parents. Girls are on the hook to be their husband's property and therefore not in a position to care for their aging parents. So if you're going to raise a kid, and remember you can only have one because otherwise the government will go out of its way to dick you as hard as it can, which is better to have? Eventually China decided, "Oops, gee, guess we'll let you have two kids," but by then the damage was long done. So it's the entire Chinese setup where if you don't have a son you're fucked as soon as you get old that led to this happening.

Not to mention the fact that as a consequence, the Chinese are fucking up other countries. Google "China bride trafficking", it's the closest thing to slavery.

 

[Computer Boy]

Remember, incubation is 2-14 days

BNO Newsroom on Twitter

“A little bit of good news about coronavirus: The number of new cases outside mainland China is currently declining: Jan. 31: 28 new cases Feb. 1: 14 new cases Feb. 2: 11 new cases Feb. 3: 6 new cases”

twitter.com

 

[JosephStalin]

i just bought a bunch of items from amazon last week and they just arrived, i really fucking hope if any of it was produced in china that the germs fucking died.

Ya, same here. Supposed to be here by tomorrow.

Had some random thoughts this morning while walking.


If "Emperor" Xi was smart and actually gave a fuck about the Chinese people, he'd take measures to protect the health of power plant workers/electrical linemen, central heating plant workers (two-thirds of China gets central heating from the government), refuse disposal workers, water/sewer plant workers, and transportation workers (road/rail/water/air), on top of the medical people. Many, many Chinese people live in large apartment blocks. It is also necessary to protect the health of the building "supers", as they call them in New York. And I would get any torn-up roads fixed right now, by the people who tore them up. Stupid fucks.

If Xi doesn't want to do it, time for CCP leaders in the cities and provinces to institute such moves. "Xi Jin-Ping thought" by itself is utterly worthless. Use some common sense. Ask yourself "What would Deng Xiao-ping do?". Or you could ask yourself, "What would Ric Flair do?" (JS -Sorry, couldn't help myself.)

As things progress, watch for an increasing amount of second-order deaths and illnesses, attributable to problems caused by breakdowns in the services mentioned above. Particularly at risk will be the elderly, those already suffering from physical ailments, and infants/young children. Could well happen that the number of second-order deaths reaches or exceeds the number of first-order deaths, or those who have died from coronavirus.

Am quite certain there are organizations in the USA, UK, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, Thailand and Russia, for starters, working on treatments and vaccines as we speak. But what do we know about what China is doing right now? Have no idea. Were the researchers just thrown in jail/shot? That would be a typical knee-jerk CCP reaction. Haven't read every post, so please correct me if I am wrong.

A fellow poster believes there won't be a violent response to this utter clusterfuck. That cannot totally be ruled out. China has X number of riots and other public disturbances every year. Such disturbances are relatively small in scale and confined to one city/town/small geographical area. This pandemic is turning into a nationwide calamity. The people know the CCP's top priority throughout all this has been to save face over serving the people. Also consider the availability of cameras of all types, particularly on phones, is a quantum leap more than during Tien-an-men in 1989. Videos go viral faster than the CCP can remove or refute them. And would also say serving members of the PLA/People's Armed Police have family members/friends who are sick with this virus or have already died of it. If we start seeing significant second-order deaths, or widespread first-order deaths, or both, something could well happen.

Take nothing for granted. Just because something sounds too improbable to happen doesn't mean it can't happen. And should the shit truly hit the fan in China, things could move very fast. Best to be somewhere else should things go south.

 

[Botchy Galoop]

Despite the speculative tone of this article, I have to thank you for what I consider one of the the most informative treatises on the possibility that this strain of corona was a breach in containment from the Wuhan lab. If I could give you an achievement award, I would.
Though this is way early in the arc of this virus, and the accuracy of all the claims this article makes are not clear, I am now leaning more towards thinking that the possibility that this virus was lab created cannot simply be dismissed as hysteria.

"Early research found that this coronavirus targets the ACE2 receptor, which is found in Asians at roughly five-times the rate of other global populations, indicating that 2019-nCoV was likely in development as part of a defensive project likely linked to immunotherapy."

I found the above quote from the article to be extremely interesting. One of the things I will be watching is if the infection rate of Asian individuals is statistically much higher than other populations. It now makes me curious about the race of the folks working in the German lab, who were infected by the visiting scientist from China. Just because they are German citizens, does not mean they are not of Asian descent. It makes me go Hmmmmmm. Not sure we will be able to discover this through German media however, since they (along with many European countries) seem loathe to specify the ethnic background of certain individuals.

 

[druid]

Beanie man is starting to see the scale of the virus

 

[PicsNGifs]

Can't wait to see their roller coasters

 

[not william stenchever]

those are fucking designated dying chambers

 

[Rice Is Ready]

I don't know if it's been posted here or not but alot of videos we're seeing out of China are old LiveLeak videos being repurposed as fake news to spread panic. The "doctors" wearing masks and carrying guns walking down the street in one video I'm sure we've all seen posted many times is actually older than the virus and they're not even doctors they're police officers going to shoot a rabid dog that was attacking people. Or another video of a women "puking blood" was just a very drunk women who had too much liquor. I see alot of this shit on Instagram from people who claim to hate fake news but don't seem to mind spreading it as long as it indulges in their doomer fan fiction.

 

[JongleJingle]

It looks so drab and lifeless...

And the fact that the fucking windows have bars in them tell everything we need to know.

This ain't no hospital.

It's an honest to god modern DEATH PIT.

 

[Shield Breaker]

Apparently it’ll be ruled a pandemic soon.

The coronavirus outbreak hasn't been declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization, despite concerns it is spreading rapidly. Here's why.

The novel coronavirus has killed more than 3,000 people since December and has spread to more than 65 countries.

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The coronavirus outbreak hasn't been declared a pandemic by the World Health Organization, despite concerns it is spreading rapidly. Here's why.

The novel coronavirus has killed more than 3,000 people since December and has spread to more than 65 countries.

www.businessinsider.com

Scientists say the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak could soon be declared a pandemic. Here's what that means.


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• Scientists say the Wuhan coronavirus that has so far killed 362 people and infected over 17,000 could soon become a pandemic.
• A pandemic is defined as "the worldwide spread of a new disease," according to the World Health Organization (WHO).
• It's also defined by a lack of available treatment, a lack of human immunity, and an ability to spread from person to person.
• "It's very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic," Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told The New York Times.
• Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

Scientists and disease experts say the Wuhan coronavirus outbreak could soon be declared a pandemic.
The World Health Organization (WHO) designated the coronavirus — whose scientific name is 2019-nCoV — a "public-health emergency of international concern" last week. Calling the virus a pandemic would take it to a new level, however, since that term refers to a more worldwide outbreak.
"It's very, very transmissible, and it almost certainly is going to be a pandemic," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the US' National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told The New York Times.
Here are the criteria for a virus to be labeled a pandemic:

• The WHO defines a pandemic as "the worldwide spread of a new disease."
• A pandemic disease spreads across "several countries or continents, usually affecting a large number of people," according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
• Virus outbreaks can be characterized as a pandemic if the disease is "markedly different from recently circulating strains" and if "humans have little or no immunity" to it, according to the UK's Health and Safety Executive.
• A disease becomes a pandemic when it can infect many humans over a large area, be transferred from person to person, and cause clinical illness, the HSE said.

The term epidemic, by contrast, refers to a more localized or regional outbreak, rather than a global one. That's what health agencies so far consider the coronavirus outbreak to be.

The CDC says an epidemic is an "increase, often sudden, in the number of cases of a disease above what is normally expected in that population in that area."

Similarly, the WHO defines an epidemic as the "occurrence in a community or region of cases of an illness, specific health-related behavior, or other health-related events clearly in excess of normal expectancy."

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Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, a former CDC director, told The Times that it is "increasingly unlikely that the [2019-nCoV] virus can be contained."

He added: "It is therefore likely that it will spread, as flu and other organisms do, but we still don't know how far, wide, or deadly it will be."

Robert Webster, an infectious disease expert at St. Jude Children's Research Hospital, told the Associated Press that "it sounds and looks as if it's going to be a very highly transmissible virus."

The Wuhan coronavirus has killed 362 people and infected more than 17,000 in more than 24 countries since the first cases were reported in December. All but one of those deaths took place in China. On Saturday, a man in the Philippines became the first to die of the virus outside of China.

Pandemic doesn't mean that everyone is going to die ala the plague.

When Does an Epidemic Become a Pandemic?

Learn how to distinguish between the terms "epidemic" and "pandemic," according to the CDC. On March 11, 2020, the World Health Organization declared the new coronavirus (COVID-19) a pandemic.

www.verywellhealth.com

It should be classified as a pandemic due to the way it is running rampant in China.

 

[Computer Boy]

I don't know if it's been posted here or not but alot of videos we're seeing out of China are old LiveLeak videos being repurposed as fake news to spread panic. The "doctors" wearing masks and carrying guns walking down the street in one video I'm sure we've all seen posted many times is actually older than the virus and they're not even doctors they're police officers going to shoot a rabid dog that was attacking people. Or another video of a women "puking blood" was just a very drunk women who had too much liquor. I see alot of this shit on Instagram from people who claim to hate fake news but don't seem to mind spreading it as long as it indulges in their doomer fan fiction.

I want proof. If you can't prove it then I won't believe you

 

[Noideawhattopick]

I don't know if it's been posted here or not but alot of videos we're seeing out of China are old LiveLeak videos being repurposed as fake news to spread panic. The "doctors" wearing masks and carrying guns walking down the street in one video I'm sure we've all seen posted many times is actually older than the virus and they're not even doctors they're police officers going to shoot a rabid dog that was attacking people. Or another video of a women "puking blood" was just a very drunk women who had too much liquor. I see alot of this shit on Instagram from people who claim to hate fake news but don't seem to mind spreading it as long as it indulges in their doomer fan fiction.

The one with the vomiting woman webm... Looked like alcohol overdose. She was probably given active charcoal to get the alcohol out of her stomach.
As for the doctors with guns, no idea if it's from another outbreak or Corona-Chan.

Spoiler

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

I watched the Metokur stream and it's amazing that the media and international organizations would so gladly suck the cock of a country with literal death camps while shitting on the USA for the slightest thing. I wish that someone started a movement where rich socialites will host Chinese refugees in their homes, it will have the advantage of not affecting the wider public due to those people barring themselves in gated communities anyways.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Despite the speculative tone of this article, I have to thank you for what I consider one of the the most informative treatises on the possibility that this strain of corona was a breach in containment from the Wuhan lab. If I could give you an achievement award, I would.
Though this is way early in the arc of this virus, and the accuracy of all the claims this article makes are not clear, I am now leaning more towards thinking that the possibility that this virus was lab created cannot simply be dismissed as hysteria.

"Early research found that this coronavirus targets the ACE2 receptor, which is found in Asians at roughly five-times the rate of other global populations, indicating that 2019-nCoV was likely in development as part of a defensive project likely linked to immunotherapy."

I found the above quote from the article to be extremely interesting. One of the things I will be watching is if the infection rate of Asian individuals is statistically much higher than other populations. It now makes me curious about the race of the folks working in the German lab, who were infected by the visiting scientist from China. Just because they are German citizens, does not mean they are not of Asian descent. It makes me go Hmmmmmm. Not sure we will be able to discover this through German media however, since they (along with many European countries) seem loathe to specify the ethnic background of certain individuals.

The ones in spanish news were definitely stereotypically drunk germans wearing socks and sandals, it can infect non-asians, it just infects asians faster and harder.

It looks so drab and lifeless...

And the fact that the fucking windows have bars in them tell everything we need to know.

This ain't no hospital.

It's an honest to god modern DEATH PIT.

Many hospitals have SOME barred rooms in case of suicidal patients. The poor craftsmanship, (the fucking windows are visibly crooked!) lack of proper insulation (and isolation outside of physical distance) and poor building code in display make this indeed much worse than staying home. That's a fucking deathcamp.

It’s not that we are overestimating how clean Western people are. I've seen women change their pads and not wash their hands afterwards. Despite this, I still argue that the Chinese are worse.


Pandemic doesn't mean that everyone is going to die ala the plague.

When Does an Epidemic Become a Pandemic?

Learn how to distinguish between the terms "epidemic" and "pandemic," according to the CDC. On March 11, 2020, the World Health Organization declared the new coronavirus (COVID-19) a pandemic.

www.verywellhealth.com

It should be classified as a pandemic due to the way it is running rampant in China.

Pandemic typically means its global though. And for the most part this is still contained fairly well outside of china, as far as I can tell this is an epidemic at least for now.

 

[Rice Is Ready]

The one with the vomiting woman webm... Looked like alcohol overdose. She was probably given active charcoal to get the alcohol out of her stomach.
As for the doctors with guns, no idea if it's from another outbreak or Corona-Chan.

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They're police officers going to shot a rabid dog. I keep hearing there's roaming death squads putting down infected but I have yet to see a video of someone getting shot. I know someone who lives 10 hours away from WuHan and they're treating it just like any other day and not shook.

 

[pwnest injun]

It should be classified as a pandemic due to the way it is running rampant in China.

I thought it was already called a pandemic after starting to take root in Thailand and the Philippines, because of the basic assumption that those countries will completely fuck up containment without delay.

 

[Judge Holden]

those are fucking designated dying chambers

I wonder if they are specifically designed so that they can simply spray clean a room with a hosepipe once one person/group locked inside die and are hauled off to the crematorium and then shove the next load in

 

[JosephStalin]

those are fucking designated dying chambers

No shit. Take a look at the windows. They all have bars over them. What the fuck. Those places will be charnel houses in no time at all. God help those poor people.