Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Apathy is my superpower]

That's what I find really interesting. Unless the passengers paid via making out or spitting in the drivers face or on his neck, how could that happen?

For reference this is a motorcycle taxi in Thailand:

 

[Bum Driller]

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That's what I find really interesting. Unless the passengers paid via making out or spitting in the drivers face or on his neck, how could that happen?

For reference this is a motorcycle taxi in Thailand:

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Well, if that is a motorcycle taxi in Thailand, it's not surprising that the driver could get infected by the passenger. C'mon, they are touching each other and the passenger is practically breathing down the drivers neck, especially if they have to hold to the driver when onboard.

 

[Ivan Shatov]

There is a fun CIA report about microchip fabrication in the USSR. They had no problem designing competent chips, after all the USSR had a very good mathematics curriculum compared to other nations. But the conditions they tried to mass produce chips in was abhorrent - "Clean rooms? What the fuck are those cyka" says Ivan Ivanovich.

The Chinese studied the downfall of the Soviet Union very closely. The lack of clean rooms is one of the big lessons PLA officers learn before being embedded in corporations, it's a lesson in adapting to the environment.

But China never tells them about the pigs. They never talk about the pig farmer managing the entire clean room operation, how he forced engineers to treat production like a trough. They never learn to question leadership because that would screw the whole system.

China may be able to copy our semi-conductor and telecommunications industries, but eventually it will all come down because of something having to do with a pig.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

There are not enough international cases to claim "ample confirmation" and the few international cases studied have not been exposed to the virus as long as in Wuhan. We need independent data collection and analysis from the Chinese cases, which we don't have, or we need to wait several more weeks to collect our own. There are still open and novel concerns that it reinfects people who go into remission and claims that the virus incubates to dangerous levels without symptoms. Not to mention claims of sequela. Those couldn't possibly be known with any certainty yet.

What we DO have is a full analysis of the virus in isolation and experiments in the lab. This tells you what symptoms it causes. Sure, it's not the full picture. We do need field tests to determine rate of infection, possibility of reinfection, morbility and percentage of severe cases. But we can determine how it works, and we have. Right now the biggest worry is infact the rate of reinfection. But even on a worse case scenario that just makes it harder to quarantine, not to treat.

so not bad unless your healthcare system gets overwhelmed ? Means only China gets fucked ? Damn One Nurgle sacrifice coming right up

Yeah as I stated on this thread before, what the civilians need to do in case of an outbreak (if it can't be controlled) is prepare for self quarantine, stay home, take symptomatic meds if needed check their symptoms in case it might get worse, and treat themselves to some vacations. If it can reinfect they'd also need tons of plastic and disinfectant. If it can't, just the disinfectant is fine so long as they don't have visits. Make sure they can contact multiple people daily to ensure that someone will warn in case of emergency, try to ensure at least 1 way to get to the hospital fast in case of emergency, and go to the doctor as soon as they suspect complications but only if they suspect complications.

What the government should have done, is ensure resources are readily available, people are prepared and informed, large families and other multiperson residences have ways to separate if needed, everyone is taking a break home, and the hospitals are ready for the complications.

This is how you handle this. If it reinfects you also have to prepare for long time comebacks, but that's mostly up to the scientists, the outbreak itself is no puzzle. The issue is china was so concerned with keeping their image that they did ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING wrong. And now we have crowded hospitals filled with stressed out malnourished overworked people. How the hell can the deathtoll NOT escalate under those conditions is beyond me!

To a large degree I think they are more fucked long term than a lot of people realize.

Lets say all of this stops immediately. No more suspected cases and no more deaths. Pretty much a best case scenario. What happens then?

Well the party gets to toot its horn about beating the demon and going on and on about how all of their measures are justified. Yet a lot of the investors/companies out there will walk away with a very different lesson, something to the effect of "a country of 1.3bil did all this over a flu that killed a couple hundred. Imagine what they'll do if there are real political troubles...." When the HK protest were popping off there was a lot of, imho silly, questions about things hopping to the mainland. But one of the valid questions was what a crackdown would look like if it did happen. Now everyone has an idea of what sort of measures the communist would be willing to take if things get bad.

And the above is assuming everything stops right now. That is very unlikely, and chances are this is only going to get worse over the next week+. There are going to be more demonstrations of CPC incompetence, overreaching and in general dumb shit. That, more than factories being shut down for a few weeks, is what will hurt them long term economically. If anyone thinks this is going to be a bad few quarters and nothing more, then just pay attention to vietnam over the next few years. That country has been getting close to having a complete supply chain for consumer electronics, now its pretty much guaranteed to happen in a year or two - unless wuflu decimates them.




There is a fun CIA report about microchip fabrication in the USSR. They had no problem designing competent chips, after all the USSR had a very good mathematics curriculum compared to other nations. But the conditions they tried to mass produce chips in was abhorrent - "Clean rooms? What the fuck are those cyka" says Ivan Ivanovich.

Long term this really all depends on the scientist's capacity to find prevention for reinfection and society's capacity to learn from this mess. So china and thailand are probably fucked, but even the rest of asia will be ok outside of the initial outbreak.

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That's what I find really interesting. Unless the passengers paid via making out or spitting in the drivers face or on his neck, how could that happen?

For reference this is a motorcycle taxi in Thailand:

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Being that close the clothes would get impregnated with the virus, aerosol can stay in textiles for a LONG time, that's probably how they infect.

 

[large_farva]

Relax, it's not just the CCP saying it, we have ample comfirmations from independent labs all over the globe. The symptoms are known. The virus has already been isolated and analyzed.

Look I know it may seem like I don't worry. I assure you that's not the case. Multiple of my loved ones are immunocompromised or would suffer greatly due to their loved ones being so. So I am fucking panicking myself, but that's precisely why I keep telling people to relax and detailing the protocol, because alterations to it just put you, and therefore everyone around you, in further risk.

Look. I don't have accounts with free full access to scientific papers, so I can't link shit, but I did search in the uni's campus computers which do in the past and I'm still checking with proffessors and medical progessionals and consensus is out, this is a pneumonia virus. If you want corroboration just go to your closest university campus, use their library computers, and go check it. It's really not that bad.

Anyone who wants access to "scientific papers" can use this website to unlock the full versions, free of cost.

Sci-Hub: removing barriers in the way of science

 

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In case any one of your kiwis work at a molecular lab and has blast software, here is a conspiracy theory that can easily be proven/debunked:

On the Origins of the 2019-nCoV Virus, Wuhan, China

James Lyons-Weiler, PhD – 1/30/2020 UPDATE – 2/9/2020 – IPAK HAS CONDUCTED FURTHER, IN-DEPTH STUDIES OF THE GENOMIC AN PROTEIN SEQUENCES OF THE 2019-nCoV CORONAVIRUSES AND THEIR R…

jameslyonsweiler.com

You can ignore all other claims in the article but note how he claimed to have found an nCov S protein analogue in pShuttle-SN (Addgen #16402) potentially better than RaTG13.
Does it really match?

This is the author of that blogpost at a 'vaccines cause autism' protest.

He's a kook. The blogpost is pretty incoherent but it's probably debunked on Twiter somewhere.

 

[pull over dat ass too fat]

Anyone who wants access to "scientific papers" can use this website to unlock the full versions, free of cost.

Sci-Hub: removing barriers in the way of science

can confirm, sci-hub is the shit.
similarly, libgen is good for textbooks and such. i'm p sure google excludes these sites from their searches.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

An observation: All of this footage and these videos taken inside the Chinese hospitals are very disturbing to me, because I don't actually see much evidence of quarantine or even basic sanitary precautions going on. I'm just a layman but it seems pretty off to me that people can apparently wander in and out of these hospital areas. There doesn't look to be much of an effort to separate out areas for the confirmed sick (or dead) from general patients. I can't see how much good the hospitals and quarantines can do when some guy could potentially wander in off the streets, roam around the hospital in contact with contagious areas and people, and wander back out. I don't see any evidence of much disinfection going on either.

 

[Palpatine]

This is the author of that blogpost at a 'vaccines cause autism' protest.
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He's a kook. The blogpost is pretty incoherent but it's probably debunked on Twiter somewhere.

Sure but if you got the time to dig up his info wouldn't it be easier just to run blast on the sequence? Addgen has sequence on their website and ncov sequence is just a gisaid account away.

 

[Home Again]

What we DO have is a full analysis of the virus in isolation and experiments in the lab. This tells you what symptoms it causes. Sure, it's not the full picture. We do need field tests to determine rate of infection, possibility of reinfection, morbility and percentage of severe cases. But we can determine how it works, and we have. Right now the biggest worry is infact the rate of reinfection. But even on a worse case scenario that just makes it harder to quarantine, not to treat.

Virus in isolation is great, but we don't have anywhere near the understanding to derive all of the symptoms from there. I think we're agreeing that we don't know much and should reserve our conclusive judgment whether this is the apocalypse or sniffles after collecting more data.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

In case any one of your kiwis work at a molecular lab and has blast software, here is a conspiracy theory that can easily be proven/debunked:

On the Origins of the 2019-nCoV Virus, Wuhan, China

James Lyons-Weiler, PhD – 1/30/2020 UPDATE – 2/9/2020 – IPAK HAS CONDUCTED FURTHER, IN-DEPTH STUDIES OF THE GENOMIC AN PROTEIN SEQUENCES OF THE 2019-nCoV CORONAVIRUSES AND THEIR R…

jameslyonsweiler.com

You can ignore all other claims in the article but note how he claimed to have found an nCov S protein analogue in pShuttle-SN (Addgen #16402) potentially better than RaTG13.
Does it really match?

Imma have to agree with Xi's local dedicated fanboy over here. While the whole "antivax=wrong on everything else" angle is a fallacy, his attempts to smear vaccines by saying it's s bioengineered vaccine make me think this was a propaganda piece and it should be noted that his only source of evidence of this link to pShuttle-SN, is the already heavily questioned and retired indian "paper" which has been proven to contain heavy innacuracies. So it's probably bullshit.

I do firmly believe this is man-made, but as of yet, we have no evidence to support the hypothesys, and that blog sure doesn't offer anything other than shitflinging and inaccurate data.

Edit: if you want I think I could run BLAST with it tomorrow. I'm not very goid at it, but poit is, this is old news and already debunked, he just copied the false data and made it shinier. So it would be fairly pointless outside of possibly reasuring you.

 

[Lina Colorado]

I dunno if already posted, but the first belgian is infected with corona virus. The person comes from the quarantined bunch that was airlifted out of wuhan. The minister of health Maggie De Block says it's under control. The other people were also tested but apparently negative.

 

[Lithos]

Well, I'll definitely say that I'm happy that this wasn't a norovirus.

 

[Still Anonymous For This]

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That's what I find really interesting. Unless the passengers paid via making out or spitting in the drivers face or on his neck, how could that happen?

For reference this is a motorcycle taxi in Thailand:

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The ill passenger would still be secreating the virus through sweat and saliva. Could be something as innocuous as coughing on the back of the riders neck and then the rider later rubbing his neck and then messing around with his face shield to give the virus a pathway to his eyes. Or just exchanging cash at the end of the ride and not washing hands. Anything.

My in-laws are in one of the affected cities and haven't left their village in a little over a week. They think they're fine, but are starting to get unnerved since this is creeping ever closer to their front door. Shit sucks, fellow Kiwis.

 

[Apathy is my superpower]

The ill passenger would still be secreating the virus through sweat and saliva.

FML, through fucking sweat???? That's really possible???

 

[CaesarCzech]

I dunno if already posted, but the first belgian is infected with corona virus. The person comes from the quarantined bunch that was airlifted out of wuhan. The minister of health Maggie De Block says it's under control. The other people were also tested but apparently negative.

He was evacuated with bunch of Czechs and Slovaks, So thanks you Giant Waffles. we should have told him to get his own airplane.

 

[Palpatine]

Imma have to agree with Xi's local dedicated fanboy over here. While the whole "antivax=wrong on everything else" angle is a fallacy, his attempts to smear vaccines by saying it's s bioengineered vaccine make me think this was a propaganda piece and it should be noted that his only source of evidence of this link to pShuttle-SN, is the already heavily questioned and retired indian "paper" which has been proven to contain heavy innacuracies. So it's probably bullshit.

I do firmly believe this is man-made, but as of yet, we have no evidence to support the hypothesys, and that blog sure doesn't offer anything other than shitflinging and inaccurate data.

Edit: if you want I think I could run BLAST with it tomorrow. I'm not very goid at it, but poit is, this is old news and already debunked, he just copied the false data and made it shinier. So it would be fairly pointless outside of possibly reasuring you.

Thank you! I don't really care about that lunatic's analysis and honestly even if pShuttle matches it only point to potential genetic manipulation using the plasmid backbone and nothing related to vaccine in particular.

BTW the position of that blogpost is actually not that antivaxxer. Vaccine production (not consumption) being dangerous is kinda common sense. Actually china just had an accident last year where hundreds of people got brucellosis because a nearby vaccine plant used expired disinfectant to treat their waste.

http://www.lanzhou.gov.cn/art/2019/12/26/art_127_838908.html?authkey=0v0zi1

 

[Isam]

Norovirus stenger sengepost

Fire pasienter er isolert etter utbruddet av norovirus på medisinsk avdeling ved sykehuset på Gjøvik, skriver OA. En av tre sengeposter er stengt ved medisinsk avdeling etter den smittsomme omgangssyken ble påvist. To ansatte er også smittet.

www.nrk.no

Aaaan norway got outbreak ladies and gentlemen from all the places in middle of fucking nowhere in gjøvik

You would think it would hit in oslo where all the pozzed faggots are, but no in fucking gjøvik . Fuck you corona chan you had one job . ONE JOB MAKING SURE THOSE FAGOTS IN OSLO DIE BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION .

Btw it says 4 people and two employess in the hospital are isolated to contain the virus. Good fucking luck 15 per cent of the population in norway is foreign born.

It says norovirus. That's not Corona.

 

[Lithos]

Norovirus stenger sengepost

Fire pasienter er isolert etter utbruddet av norovirus på medisinsk avdeling ved sykehuset på Gjøvik, skriver OA. En av tre sengeposter er stengt ved medisinsk avdeling etter den smittsomme omgangssyken ble påvist. To ansatte er også smittet.

www.nrk.no

Aaaan norway got outbreak ladies and gentlemen from all the places in middle of fucking nowhere in gjøvik

You would think it would hit in oslo where all the pozzed faggots are, but no in fucking gjøvik . Fuck you corona chan you had one job . ONE JOB MAKING SURE THOSE FAGOTS IN OSLO DIE BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION .

Btw it says 4 people and two employess in the hospital are isolated to contain the virus. Good fucking luck 15 per cent of the population in norway is foreign born.

EDIT: i am exceptional its norovirus lol

Says: One of three beds is closed at the medical ward after the infectious social illness was detected. Two employees are also infected.

Second translation: Someone shit the bed something fierce and the people who had to clean it got the pants-shitting virus.

 

[Tour of Italy]

So an update on my digging into the construction quality of the Just-Add-Concrete InstaHospitals:

(For background, I am a structural engineer with around 3 years of professional experience. I am not yet licensed, which means I do much of the same work as a Professional Engineer, but all of my work checked before it’s stamped. I am absolutely still in the phase of my career where I’m building the fundamentals, so there’s a possibility I could be wrong on some of this).

The first noticeable thing is that the entire construction of at least one of these projects has been live-streamed. That makes my job both easier and harder because everything has been documented, but it will take more time to sift through everything to find the relevant information.

It’s interesting to me that the Chinese would make a propaganda effort out of the construction process. This is both with the livestream process itself and the fucking deluge of surface-level articles in English speaking publications that range from obvious CCP puppet media to Western outlets unwittingly (or wittingly) picking up the party line. Even the Wikipedia entries for the hospitals are obvious party propaganda.

I’ve been to job sites, and I’ll admit the scale of the hospital efforts are impressive. There are a few big head scratchers in terms of the engineering but I’ll need more time to process it. Safety seems quite lax, but it’s by no means a haphazard affair in terms of organization.

My theory is that while displaying the supposed strength of the Chinese construction industry to outside powers is a bonus, the main purpose of the highly publicized construction is to reassure the Chinese people. “Look in awe at the miracle of manpower and see how much the party cares”.

Several articles talked about how with SARS, once the temporary hospitals went up, that meant the virus was on the ropes and things were under control. I’m betting that’s a fabricated talking point, and I’m interested to see where else it crops up.

In terms of design issues, there are a few things that stuck out to me immediately:

1) There are two major kinds of structure in use; the prefabricated stacked rectangular dwellings and prefabricated warehouse/hanger open buildings. The former is still dubious to me in terms of its structural capacity while the latter is incredibly common, including in the US.
2) I don’t see any bolted connection between the prefab units and the foundation. At all. It looks like a reinforced slab on grade, with cut sections of wide flange beams just laid on top of it, and the units stacked on top of those:

It’s possible the beam sections are embedded, but I haven’t found evidence of that so far. And I can’t find anything resembling an anchor rod that’s being tied into the prefabs, even in the poured wall footing around the perimeter. This is such an obvious mistake for light-gage steel construction that I’m going back through every decent photo I can find to see if I missed something. I’ll update it if I’m wrong, but it looks like there’s no way for this structure to transfer lateral loads and overturning loads to the foundation. And that’s even apart from whether or not the units themselves are stout enough to resist extreme lateral loads without folding.

I really hope I’m wrong on this, because if not, then a seismic event or even a particularly bad wind event is going to cause a major fucking problem.