Weeb Wars / AnimeGate / #KickVic / #IStandWithVic / #vickicksback - General Discussion Thread

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

I will pass along the compliments. That's our media coordinator at work, really not sure how they do it. I'd be roasting chestnuts by now, but will pass along the encouragement. I'm sure they need it.

Basically our marching orders are to ignore, archive and report (to Vic's attorney). We were told that there's no sense in engaging any of them, and rightfully so. When David Wyldstar (who lives near Kitchener, Ontario) is trying to get a group in California up our ass, there's no logic to take a foothold on.

Great to see sanity for a change. Hopefully the fans around there will reward it. One group wants to give the con money and one tries to destroy it. One group is looking for a good time and the other is looking to exercise power they dont actually have.
It's up to the conventions to decide which is going to benefit them and their business more.

 

[TexOffender]

Watched the Savannah con panel. Vic talked about directors at anime studios, mentioned that a lot of times, studios would be so desperate for directors they'd hire people with no prior experience or knowledge, like a dude working for an ad agency. He also brings up Funimation directors thinking he's difficult to work with. He claims he always made an effort to be easy to work with (always on time, finishes work quickly, friendly and humourous while working). The only reason directors found him difficult to work with was because he wanted to do certain takes more than once, because he wanted the end result to be perfect. He said that the end product often suffered because the directors didn't really care, because they either didn't really know what they were doing or just didn't care.

Just thought it was interesting. Really puts the whole "difficult to work with" thing in perspective.

Yeah and you note that nearly every single one of those funimation VAs that is too fucking ugly to ever be in front of a camera has a few director credits on their imdb or they say they're a director on their twitter bio. One of the reasons to keep Vic out from a full time voice director position, they don't get to do those anymore.

 

[Garm]

look at what the defendants have created.
you would think after the johnny depp audio leaks people would think differently on accusations. but no all the accusers have to do is say he did this to me and a mans life is completely ruined.

no evidence, camera footage, video, photographs, or a even a audio recording of vic doing something its just there words....

have these people never experienced the most frustrating thing when people call you a liar when you truly aren't

man i hope vic unleashes TY to wipe the floor with the defendants absolute fucking scum for what they have done to vics career
these people want vic to disappear or even want him dead

The Johnny Depp stuff is a crack in their world view. But these people can rationalize going after Vic "because he's different." Which is true, he isn't Johnny Depp and the abstract message will be lost on them.

And that's how you have to do it. Break their world view piece by piece.

Problem is I think we have whittled KickVic down to the hard core fuckers that will never be convinced unless Monica and Jamie are publicly flogged for lying.

 

[Silver Chariot]

Watched the Savannah con panel. Vic talked about directors at anime studios, mentioned that a lot of times, studios would be so desperate for directors they'd hire people with no prior experience or knowledge, like a dude working for an ad agency. He also brings up Funimation directors thinking he's difficult to work with. He claims he always made an effort to be easy to work with (always on time, finishes work quickly, friendly and humourous while working). The only reason directors found him difficult to work with was because he wanted to do certain takes more than once, because he wanted the end result to be perfect. He said that the end product often suffered because the directors didn't really care, because they either didn't really know what they were doing or just didn't care.

Just thought it was interesting. Really puts the whole "difficult to work with" thing in perspective.

So he tried his damndest to put out a quality product and Funi was like "nah fam"? So does that make Funi the fast food of anime dubs?

Between this, Funi's documented nonexistent firing policies, and the utter snakes that are Monica Rial and Jamie Marchi... why the fuck would any aspiring VA want to work here?

It's almost like they didn't do their homework. (Hi Lance)

 

[Ensign Faggot]

Watch everything else but that last bit be cut, just Vic yelling, and screaming "WHO ARE YOU CALLING A PIPSQUEAK" be written off as abusive and not as a wholesome moment by KV

Almost makes you wonder how many accounts of him going off on randos were just him reciting lines.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Almost makes you wonder how many accounts of him going off on randos were just him reciting lines.

We are now well into fantasyland so deeply that I question everything I hear about Vic. These people have made up so many 'alternate histories' about the guy that I actually think it would take a team of forensic accountants and a research facility just to determine if a man named Vic Mignonga ever really existed or if he's a metaphor like King Arthur/Robin Hood.

 

[Immaculate Ape]

Great to see sanity for a change. Hopefully the fans around there will reward it. One group wants to give the con money and one tries to destroy it. One group is looking for a good time and the other is looking to exercise power they dont actually have.
It's up to the conventions to decide which is going to benefit them and their business more.

It's the best way to handle things. No sense in trying to reason with the unreasonable.

 

[In Heaven]

Watched the Savannah con panel. Vic talked about directors at anime studios, mentioned that a lot of times, studios would be so desperate for directors they'd hire people with no prior experience or knowledge, like a dude working for an ad agency. He also brings up Funimation directors thinking he's difficult to work with. He claims he always made an effort to be easy to work with (always on time, finishes work quickly, friendly and humourous while working). The only reason directors found him difficult to work with was because he wanted to do certain takes more than once, because he wanted the end result to be perfect. He said that the end product often suffered because the directors didn't really care, because they either didn't really know what they were doing or just didn't care.

Just thought it was interesting. Really puts the whole "difficult to work with" thing in perspective.

Yeah, that's another example of "diva" behavior I didn't really get. I understand that it can be frustrating if there's a person on a project who insists on absolute perfection, but from what I've heard, Vic didn't even demand that many takes--only a couple at most. Again, annoying, but not a good reason to hate someone, especially if Vic wasn't harming anyone by doing it.

In fact, considering how straining voice acting can be, it's likely that the only person who ACTUALLY got hurt by those multiple takes was Vic himself.

 

[Farmer Y]

Almost makes you wonder how many accounts of him going off on randos were just him reciting lines.

They already tried that route earlier. There was a video they claim he was yelling at a vendor and being disruptive. Turns out a fan then posted the video and he was doing a WWE style promo. It is in this thread somewhere.

 

[theworstkindofeurofag]

Someone posted this in response to Manjaw posting the video of Sonny and Sean mocking Vic and calling him a pedophile.

Pocket Cub. on Twitter: "@ljmontello @ConventionAlert Sonny once rela…

archived 4 Feb 2020 18:59:19 UTC

archive.fo

Doesn't sound like friendly banter to me, since Vic was apparently not around to hear what Sonny said. Another "friend" who talked shit about Vic behind his back for years.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

Yeah, that's another example of "diva" behavior I didn't really get. I understand that it can be frustrating if there's a person on a project who insists on absolute perfection, but from what I've heard, Vic didn't even demand that many takes--only a couple at most. Again, annoying, but not a reason to be pissy at someone, especially since Vic isn't harming anyone by doing it.

In fact, considering how straining voice acting can be, it's likely that the only person who ACTUALLY got hurt by those multiple takes was Vic himself.

I'm ...ahem..."Genuinely curious" in the non SJW sense, how it is that the Diva tag grabbed any traction at all outside the mental ward known as Social Justice.

I always understood "Diva" to be someone aloof/unapproachable. Someone that went out of their way to avoid 'the little people' and look down on them. Someone that always has their team of sycophants/handlers trailing them like baby ducks whenever and wherever they go. That sort of thing.

Now before this fiasco all began, I recognized Vic's name from ADV video credits and the occasional Newtype blurb/pic. I thought the guy was 'Teh GheY". But I never got the impression he was a diva. Flamboyant as hell, but thats it. Since then, I've seen dozens of videos of the guy, read about his interactions, etcetcetc. There's no "Diva" anything there. If anything, he's pretty normal. There are far more duckfaces on the net that act like divas.

So HOW did people buy into that idiocy?

 

[Crazedking]

I'm ...ahem..."Genuinely curious" in the non SJW sense, how it is that the Diva tag grabbed any traction at all outside the mental ward known as Social Justice.

I always understood "Diva" to be someone aloof/unapproachable. Someone that went out of their way to avoid 'the little people' and look down on them. Someone that always has their team of sycophants/handlers trailing them like baby ducks whenever and wherever they go. That sort of thing.

Now before this fiasco all began, I recognized Vic's name from ADV video credits and the occasional Newtype blurb/pic. I thought the guy was 'Teh GheY". But I never got the impression he was a diva. Flamboyant as hell, but thats it. Since then, I've seen dozens of videos of the guy, read about his interactions, etcetcetc. There's no "Diva" anything there. If anything, he's pretty normal. There are far more duckfaces on the net that act like divas.

So HOW did people buy into that idiocy?

The only people saying hes a diva are con volunteers that couldnt give 2 shit about honoring Vic's contracts with the con because it meant they had to actually to do work and shit instead of hiding in the AMV rooms talking shit about guests.

 

[Immaculate Ape]

I'm ...ahem..."Genuinely curious" in the non SJW sense, how it is that the Diva tag grabbed any traction at all outside the mental ward known as Social Justice.

I always understood "Diva" to be someone aloof/unapproachable. Someone that went out of their way to avoid 'the little people' and look down on them. Someone that always has their team of sycophants/handlers trailing them like baby ducks whenever and wherever they go. That sort of thing.

Now before this fiasco all began, I recognized Vic's name from ADV video credits and the occasional Newtype blurb/pic. I thought the guy was 'Teh GheY". But I never got the impression he was a diva. Flamboyant as hell, but thats it. Since then, I've seen dozens of videos of the guy, read about his interactions, etcetcetc. There's no "Diva" anything there. If anything, he's pretty normal. There are far more duckfaces on the net that act like divas.

So HOW did people buy into that idiocy?

That happens when you get a volunteer who never has worked a single day in their life, handling someone who is used to working with events that have actually-trained-in-customer-service individuals working with him.

Like, if Vic asks to get a new bottle of water cause the one they gave him was already opened.... "OMG HES SUCH A DIVAAAAAAAAA"

 

[Aria]

Pressing x to doubt. That guy just SOUNDS exceptional. Why the fuck does he sound like a cross between my my personal stereotype of Todd Haberkorn's characters and that one guy from Death Battle? Like he is purposely trying to sound like a cartoon villain. At least he came

he's triying to be pewdiepie but just comes of as cringe.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Only thing I'd say that's "diva" about him is his clothes and how he wanted a room on Sundays for his Sunday Church gatherings to help people out. Not sure if he still does those though. It's more than what other VA's do and other VA's are worse to deal with whether it's at a convention or just in public. Look and Sean, he thinks he should be the only Goku and will try and remove people from conventions if he doesn't like the role they play in anime.

Convention owners never seem to be able to tell VA's no and to remind them that if they decide to have a bitch fit after signing a contract that they can easily go after them in court, they just let things slide. If VA's have diva attitudes, it's because the owners let them.

 

[Roland Daggett]

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He's fat

SOMEONE GET A POKEFLUTE QUICK! WE NEED TO GET SNORLAX OUT OF THE WAY

 

[Immaculate Ape]

Only thing I'd say that's "diva" about him is his clothes and how he wanted a room on Sundays for his Sunday Church gatherings to help people out. Not sure if he still does those though. It's more than what other VA's do and other VA's are worse to deal with whether it's at a convention or just in public. Look and Sean, he thinks he should be the only Goku and will try and remove people from conventions if he doesn't like the role they play in anime.

Convention owners never seem to be able to tell VA's no and to remind them that if they decide to have a bitch fit after signing a contract that they can easily go after them in court, they just let things slide. If VA's have diva attitudes, it's because the owners let them.

AFAIK, the Sunday church panel thing was always something the convention offered to him, not anything he demanded. He's only ever asked for one stand-alone lecture with an autograph session to follow on the main day.

 

[The Wisdom of Bassets]

The only people saying hes a diva are con volunteers that couldnt give 2 shit about honoring Vic's contracts with the con because it meant they had to actually to do work and shit instead of hiding in the AMV rooms talking shit about guests.

No, I've seen it spread around in various places online by people that seem to be normal as well. I'd go as far as to say that a large number of discussions involving him have the word/concept pop up in them eventually. And it seems like normal types just take it as a given. Yet every vid of the guy shows the polar opposite of diva behavior.

 

[Silver Chariot]

Only thing I'd say that's "diva" about him is his clothes and how he wanted a room on Sundays for his Sunday Church gatherings to help people out. Not sure if he still does those though. It's more than what other VA's do and other VA's are worse to deal with whether it's at a convention or just in public. Look and Sean, he thinks he should be the only Goku and will try and remove people from conventions if he doesn't like the role they play in anime.

Convention owners never seem to be able to tell VA's no and to remind them that if they decide to have a bitch fit after signing a contract that they can easily go after them in court, they just let things slide. If VA's have diva attitudes, it's because the owners let them.

At worst, Vic is just a guy with high standards who also wants eccentric accomodations. And dresses gay.

If you really want a diva, go look up Amberlynn Reid's thread here, or Google the name "Antonio Brown" and revel in how much a man paid to play football just threw it all away.

 

[xyz741]

AFAIK, the Sunday church panel thing was always something the convention offered to him, not anything he demanded. He's only ever asked for one stand-alone lecture with an autograph session to follow on the main day.

The few times I've been involved with conventions where Vic appeared this was never a thing either way. With what I know about conventions, I would GUESS that Vic look at a con schedule (go grab any random con schedule, I'll bet it's true for at least 75% of them) and noticed that there was several slots of free time on Sunday (because NOBODY wants to run a panel on Sunday because turnout is lowest and everyone: has left or is leaving or preparing to leave (or is hungover/passed out)). From my understanding Vic noted there's lots of people who are "unable" to go to church due to con so he decided to run a service and the majority of con Orgs would shrug and say "nothing better to do" and add it to the schedule.

And this is why this particular complaint is idiotic and makes me laugh at the claims of anti-Christian people. These events were literally things that you were NOT required to attend, could COMPLETELY ignore and if they weren't there, there wasn't going to be ANYTHING ELSE. And yet people bitch and moan about the Christians doing their thing. (and yeah, these are the same people that giggle with perverse glee over the hope that the convention shares space with a baptist conference so they can show how progressive they are by trying to freak out the Christians)