Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[LetThemEatCake]

The New York Times is report that the number of cases on the Diamond Princess has increased to 60.

Yep, cruise ships are petri dishes. A cruise ship is probably the nearest analogue to the average Chinese city's overcrowding situation with its airless, enclosed rooms and corridors and crowded decks and shared dining etc. I've never trusted them for hygiene either, too many poorly-paid workers on extra long shifts preparing and handling the food who don't give a shit. Usually it's just endless outbreaks of rotovirus, which is bad enough, but this shows how quickly and severely an airbourne disease can get around in such conditions.

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

Chinese scientists have said they think they found the intermediate link between bats and humans - the pangolins, a group of mammals that have scales and are all endangered because their meat is a delicacy in China and Vietnam and their scales are used in TCM.

Singapore has found three additional case they cannot link to either China or other cases, meaning it probably circulating within the community there. They have raised their response to "Orange", whatever that means.

Op-Ed in the CBC arguing against travel bans, saying it does little to contain its spread, given the damage it does to the economy. Again, a request to biomedical Kiwis - what do you think of the case for and against travel bans and quarantines? Because it really feels like the anti-travel-ban experts are pushing an agenda here, that international travel cannot be interrupted at any cost.

 

[theshep]

pangolins

Mmm. Delicious.



Seriously, who looks at that and thinks 'wow, what a great source of protein'?

 

[Otterly]

Has anyone in any country done a program of testing of random pneumonia or respiratory illness cases outside of those suspected/linked to China?

 

[אΩ+1]

Melbourne diners who ate at a Glen Waverley Chinese restaurant in the city’s east have been warned they may have been exposed to coronavirus, and urged to look out for possible symptoms.

Diners at Melbourne restaurant warned to watch out for coronavirus symptoms

A sign has appeared on the Chinese restaurant's front door saying it was closing its doors to 'minimise the risk' of coronavirus.

au.news.yahoo.com

No would always imagine that they would act as great sportsball balls.

 

[theshep]

Melbourne diners who ate at a Glen Waverley Chinese restaurant in the city’s east have been warned they may have been exposed to coronavirus, and urged to look out for possible symptoms.

Diners at Melbourne restaurant warned to watch out for coronavirus symptoms

A sign has appeared on the Chinese restaurant's front door saying it was closing its doors to 'minimise the risk' of coronavirus.

au.news.yahoo.com

TFW you confuse Glen Waverly with Glen Eira.

 

[AltisticRight]

New day, new low for Wuhan.
I really think China has been too nice, bring back the guillotine.

Background:
- Before the virus, Wuhan officials arrested 8 medical experts for spreading "rumours of a SARS-like virus"
- The arrest was a consequence of leaked chatgroup screenshots, Li and the medical experts weren't spreading anything, it's a closed group
- Of course, the 8 medical professionals were right, and the virus has a 75% similarity to SARS
- The initial conclusion was "SARS-like" because Li and other experts only had access to medical grade equipment, lacking precision
- The virus was found to be 75% similar to SARS after samples were sent to a Shanghai superlab for testing

Information:
Not many truly understand precision levels. That's not putting down anyone, people have different careers. I may know how to solve math shit, but I can't even make a croissant, my favourite bread.

So to exemplify the importance of precision, let's start for calibration tools and measurement tools.
Measurement tool A has a precision of X, I verify using calibration tools of precision X.
I then send tool A to another location which has access to precision Y for calibration, which allows me to acquire more information. They verified in fact, my tool has a higher precision of Y, or maybe lower precision of Y' since my calibration tools aren't precise enough.
I'll send tool A to a superlab location that has top notch shit, I can further refine the grading.
Also, of course calibration is required for calibrators.

This is the case with the 8 Wuhan-based medical experts. They are basically myself in the example above. They only had access to precision X which told them the virus IS SARS. They were even very careful with the conclusion "SARS-like". Every scientist is aware that they are essentially as precise as their tools. The sample was then sent to another location (superlab in Shanghai) with a precision of X, which is where "75% similar" comes from.

It's like a ruler, 1mm on a ruler might be 0.998mm in reality. Rulers also undergo thermal expansion (ok enough of this autism). I only have tools to verify that 1mm on my ruler is 0.991mm, the location with better equipment then verifies that 1mm is in fact 0.99198mm... etc.

This sounds autistic as fuck, right? I can't help it. I saw some shills of the state claiming that "Li and the other 7 claimed that the virus is SARS-like while in fact it's a new virus that's only 75% similar, their conclusion was misleading". This made me actually mad. Their conclusion is as good as the tools they fucking have.

So here's what happened:

One of the 8 "rumour spreaders" according to the totally-should-be-waterboarded officials of Wuhan passed away. He was fighting the virus for his people and ended up getting the virus, which ends his chapter of life.

PD claimed he passed away at 3am:

So, quite good of China right? Giving the man a salute... giving credit to his works, implicitly blaming the officials of Wuhan.
This is a step in the right direction, right? Self-awareness, reflection...

Yeah, that's right.
The officials of Wuhan pulled a stunt to cover the date.

Is this another rumour? Well, let's not believe everything we see online... PD is a reliable source when it comes to China... right?

(Translation: 9:30pm confirmed passed away)
So which one is it??? 3am or 9:30pm the day before?

If anyone can still defend the state after this, I question their fucking intelligence.
What happened to the "Chinese need a backbone, we are called the sick man of the east" whatever stuff? Where's the backbone? It never existed right?

Here's another deleted post:

The news was immediately brought to Weibo and just like us, the autists discovered some puzzle pieces.
"Every look here, this is the recent tweet of People's Daily, let's all learn the meaning of 'different schemes inside and outside [of the wall]".
Response "people behind the wall are too inferior to feel sadness, no rights to feel condolence".

The logic is simple. PD claims there's national grief and the doctor passed away at 9:30pm, Chinese were told it's 2:58am, therefore this obviously implies that mainland Chinese have no rights to the truth and feel emotions.

Case in point, this fucking post:

Yeah, people sending wishes at 1am, at 0am, 11pm... wishes for someone who passed away at 9:30.
It's all a fucking show.

Here's some funny comments, along with a Mao quote.

elva "Political medical emergency? Good Lord (Buddha).

Mao quote, TinyJZM "rebels are an organisation that fears freedom of speech the most, they are scared of a revolution, scared of the people understanding the realism of the bigger world, they are the most scared of their own dirty deeds being exposed in front of the masses. This is why they will deploy various despicable and deplorable tactics, to cover the eyes, the ears, and to silence the mouths of the people, deny the rights of independent journalism, deny freedom to journalists". -- Xinhua daily, Mao Zedong, 01/09/1946

mambaHC "you have no rights to be a news person".

So yeah, Mao is a disaster, that doesn't mean what his quote up there is wrong. Mao is like Muhammad in a sense, speaking reason while he riles up the masses and then showing his true colours once he seized power. Muhammad was preaching peace and well-being in the Meccan Quran and became a murderous warlord in the Medinan Quran, after Islam became a force.

Of course, this action is defended.
"Cardiac arrest doesn't mean death", they were trying their best -- says whoever (hope that wumao is in your alipay already)
So does Extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (EMCO) help with cardiac arrest? It's said that is kind of does, kind of doesn't, or more accurately -- it's not well understood.
https://www.annalsthoracicsurgery.org/article/S0003-4975(13)02005-5/fulltext
If you're willing to give the state the benefit of the doubt, then yes, it was misreporting. Doctor Li wasn't "dead per se", it's cardiac arrest, and there's a chance that EMCO might bring him back. Cardiac arrest happened at 9:30pm which was misreported as death, and the treatment went till 2:58am where his passing on was verified, resulting in futile by nonetheless essential work by the medical professionals.
But no, I'm not that nice. My world isn't rainbow and unicorns, I think this is all just a show they put up to make the masses feel better. Also, are these idiots absolutely sure that some hearsay would simply make it onto PD, and it's not just manufactured?
It's also said that EMCO is effective when it comes to individuals hit with a fatality, needing blood transfer or sophisticated surgery, it doesn't work that well on prolonged illness.
I just hope if God exists, the Heavens are free from Communism.

If whatever I've brewed up above makes sense, how about some censorship?
Title "Media reported that Dr Li Wen Liang is no longer with us due to 2019-nCov, what would you like to say?"

3985 responses, "question closed" (go fuck yourself is what Zhihu wants to say to you)

Also, this leaked:

This is the legal document Dr Li signed in response to his "rumour spreading".

I've translated it in a word document here:

I used "judgement" for 制裁 because it sounds far better than punishment.

These are becoming toss emotes when people are asked about stuff:

It's a good thing.

So the only good thing about this case is, at least they didn't make his disappear like what happened in the Maoist years... right. He lived long enough to see his "rumours" come into fruition.

I feel sick to the stomach, not going to gather anything else, there's nothing as pathetic and revolting as what I've just compiled. If I was 16, I probably would have started crying.

 

[TheRedChair]

Chinese scientists have said they think they found the intermediate link between bats and humans - the pangolins, a group of mammals that have scales and are all endangered because their meat is a delicacy in China and Vietnam and their scales are used in TCM.

Bullshit! The Shit Goblins are at it Again... Deflection of the truth. This is how the Chinese system works.
They made this virus.
They hid the truth about it.
They are culling the population instead of trying to heal them.
We all seen their death camps.
They Murdered that doctor to keep him quiet.
And Chinese groups around the world are harboring fugitives that are family.

The CCP will continue to deny, deflect, misinformation, false accusations scapegoating ( lower officials are going to be punished/die) and an entire other list of propaganda tools to be used on their ignorant peasant mined population. Such as an example.
The US made the Virus.
The US did not help us.
They are harassing our Chinese traveling citizens abroad by having the ban.
More people die of the Flu in California than in China.
And so on and so on and so on.

If you are using their Chinese social app. I guarantee you that information will be stored somewhere. Using their algorithmic programming, they will find them and they will punish them. Punishment will be a lowering of their social status rating, to a discussion from their police, to prison time, to just disappearing. It doe NOT have to be now. This can happen months, even years away as they collect information on you. Once they find you. They got you.

This is how China works. That is their New World Order... Xi Jinping's Cult of Personality. You will NEVER get the Truth from the CCP.
Eventually If you do stand up against the system,

You will be punished. You will wind up beaten, broken, and eventually dead.
Just like the Doctor who died under their control.
This is China of today.

 

[AltisticRight]

Thanks for being a voice of reason. Too many people are accepting worst case scenarios without challenging any of it. I'm sure that it is an absolute nightmare in China, but some people are acting like they are giddy for an actual 'happening' to go global. It's quite disgusting TBH.

I know the word "scepticism" is tainted because of some bloated egomaniac who works at Applebees, but when it comes to news from/on countries such as China, America, or Israel, one really has to be sceptical. Outlets typically swing one way or the other, they either have a massive agenda against the country or for it. The /pol/ stuff really doesn't take much work to counter.

Here's a video why the government approved mapping services or in accurate.

If you want a more accurate map of China please use OSM (open street maps) which is the main mapping system that the citizens of the PRC use.

OpenStreetMap

OpenStreetMap is a map of the world, created by people like you and free to use under an open license.

www.openstreetmap.org

Good point, I used Baidu maps which sucks.
Still, my point is that the place is no longer some farmland dump as illustrated by Gmaps. It's a small thriving village nowadays.

2012, yeah it's all farmland, pretty much a dump.

Here's the recent satellite image:

OSM barely shows any information on the village.

Here's the post office:

The two main intersecting roads creating a cross is still there, however instead of being populated by farmland, it's populated with small scale residential neighbourhoods and stores, and the village is surrounded by farmland.

Actually, Gmaps is off because the legends are wrong it appears. If their theory is accurate, then a firepit kind of mass grave was produced near the village?

So /pol/'s theory was pointing to some kind of surrounding farmland that emitted a huge load of SO2.

Here's what the place looks like currently, with respect to Wuhan.

Wuhan is putting out 10 times more SO2 than Xinyan, 5 times more than Shanghai. This is really scary. Does it have anything to do with those makeshift deathcamps they are building?
That said, Mt Isa in Australia puts out ~200ugm^(-3), being the sum of Melbourne and Sydney.. and some other major cities. Mount Isa is home to some of the most active and large mines. The same goes with Broken Hill and Roxby Downs, these places have massive mines, and they are putting out more SO2 than our major cities.
Looking at how Wuhan puts out 500 as I'm typing, I think 1300 isn't implausible. This seems to have a direct correlation with huge machinery being used, thus demanding for lots of electricity.

Using these GPS apps in China sucks shit in general. I often get so triggered at the inaccuracies and crammed UI that causes claustrophobia. I end up taking taxis instead, get your shit together (after getting your shit together on the virus).

 

[Glad I couldn't help]

Daily NK, a news source focused on North Korea passed on by informants (supposedly) reports on increased commodity prices, given the border closures as well as the death of five people from "fevers", which were covered up by state media.

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

Given that Bird flu, swine flu, and coronavirus are all happening at once - either China is just ridiculously unlucky/unhealthy as a nation, or these were in fact bioweapon deployments. Having one by itself is bad. Having all three is a fucking nightmare, especially since two of them don't affect humans at all (no civilian casualties) and instead only affect food supplies, which the United States directly benefits from in their trade negotiations.

I'm not saying it is bioweapons. But if bioweapons were ever deployed, this is what it would look like.
But do note that China has been sowing the wind for the longest time regarding these kind of zoonotic viruses. There's a reason why Ebola and SARS happen in areas that eat wild animals on a regular basis, but we haven't really seen a full on major epidemic in the Western World since AIDS (which can be traced back to Africa and it's bushmeat practices). Stop fucking eating mystery meat, you stupid shits. There's a reason why agriculture was invented.

Here's an alternative option. A biolab claiming to be secure enough to contain all these plagues was just opened. Said lab is manned by people who thinks eating and selling on the meat market their test dubjects is a good idea. 2+2=4.

Bioweapons are notorious for their collateral if not designed and/or contained properly. A government would have to be very stupid to free all 3 of these plagues like this with no treatment plan. A government would also have to be supremely exceptional to trust that wuhan lab with anything, but, well, CHINA. Which is the answer to so much of what we're witnessing.

EDIT: https://youtu.be/3ZikhZIYmqI well fuck it I guess.
(EDIT 2: I swear I'm trying to archive this shit but youtube keeps trying to sell me a subscription the fucking jews and I really am not good at phone sites so I'm sorry but this shit ain't working. Someone please archive.)

 

[qu_rahn]

Looking at the sulfur dioxide for Wuhan only makes sense if you have older data from before the outbreak. You need that as a baseline

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Britain's leading virologists and infectious disease specialists met in London today to discuss the coronavirus outbreak at a Science Media Centre briefing.

Professor Paul Hunter, from the University of East Anglia, said: 'The value of a travel ban is to give us time for vaccinologists to develop a vaccine, manufacture them and distribute them.'

Professor Hunter added that travel bans would only delay the response for so long if the epidemic continues to spread around the world at its current rate. Then much more cases in the UK would be 'inevitable' because cases would be pouring in from a slew of other countries, the professor said.

But at the same briefing, Professor Robin Shattock, a virologist at Imperial College London, admitted a vaccine was still way off and may not be ready until at least 2021.

He revealed his team were currently immunising animals with the vaccine but clinical human trials would not get going until late this year - and mass-manufacturing the jab and rolling it out globally would take until at least the start of next year.

Professor John Edmunds, from the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, agreed that travel restrictions would 'buy us valuable time'.

He added that such a measure would be 'worth implementing if we can' - but experts all agreed travel bans would be needed before the virus takes hold in other countries, especially ones neighbouring China.

Once high levels of the virus begin circulating in other nations it will become near-impossible to prevent it from plaguing Britain.

Scores of travellers from China and other coronavirus-hit parts of Asia have been pouring into Britain every day without being properly tested for the infection.

One British man who got his family on the 'last available Air China flight to UK' blasted the Government as 'passive' and revealed he simply strolled through Heathrow unchecked.

Government sources have for days suggested that the UK is on the brink of declaring a ban on arrivals from China, a measure wanted by furious Brits on social media.

But ministers have yet to announce any hard ban – despite 16 other countries around the world doing so, including Saudi Arabia and Iraq.

Furious Brits have today told the Government that 'serious guidance is needed'. Jon Noble asked on Twitter: 'Is it time to start wearing face masks in the UK?'

Debby Brooker said: 'Why is this country being so weak about letting people in this country travelling from Asia? 16 other countries have banned this!'

And discussing other countries banning travellers from China, Ralph Roberts asked: 'What is Matt Hancock waiting for?'

Government tells people flying from Asia to 'call NHS if you're ill'

One MP on the All Party Parliamentary China Group told MailOnline the outbreak 'is getting more serious' and said they'D be 'surprised' if the travel restriction was not imposed in the next week.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Jeffrey Epstein]

The problem with fake numbers (apart from the ethical concerns of treating your own populace like crap) is that everyone else needs accurate data to make risk assessments and treatment/quarantine/other plans. The numbers coming out of China are clearly not reliable, but HOW they are unreliable is hard to say. If there are 25k dead, and 100k infected, that’s bad news. Up the infected number to a million, your death rate changes a lot. Infectiveness and kill rate are really important, and rate of people made seriously ill is too and we don’t know those rates.
By obfuscating the true extent of infections AND deaths, everyone else is working on supposition. That’s bad news, because responses and plans need to be made on accurate data. It’s quite obvious from other countries’ responses that they do not believe china’s number either. They can’t say so out loud, but if they believed the numbers, we wouldn’t be seeing total bans on entry.

Welp, if there are much more infected like I suspect, then the death rate being so high isn't as terrifying. As we've seen in the cases that are popping up in other countries, the disease just seem like a long process of getting head/chest symptoms and a fever, then the fever subsides after a few days, and then there's a possibility of pneumonia or not pneumonia after that, and lingering symptoms sort of fizzle out very slowly. It is a fucking weird disease, and sounds kind of engineered as far as it operates. But China doesn't know their shit from their oatmeal, and are handling things so rottenly, whereas cases in USA or other places have very few infections and have adequate care and know not to pack people in like sardines and understand what 'care' is (it is not mindless, forceful ant behavior). So, if I were to get it, I would believe that it would just be a short period of feeling shitty, then a long period of recovery. That's most likely, from what I've gleened, provided I'm not sandwiched between bugmen. (And remind me to not be around my Mother or family for a looong period of time if this occurs).

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

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I realize that's probably red ink, but I've read too much fantasy and horror... My first thought was,"China makes you notarize your confession in your own blood?", and depressingly I wasn't actually surprised by it.

 

[Home Again]

The US military is gearing up in hazmat suits and PAPRs/respirators during China transports.

Jennifer Zeng 曾錚 on Twitter

“一名記者朋友告訴我，美國情報界及軍方內部認定應將 #武汉肺炎病毒 当作生化武器对待。看到这个美國撤僑的视频，我有点信了。#新冠病毒 https://t.co/2E1IXAlFVe”

twitter.com

 

[EmuWarsVeteran]

The US military is gearing up in hazmat suits and PAPR respirators during China transports.

Jennifer Zeng 曾錚 on Twitter

“一名記者朋友告訴我，美國情報界及軍方內部認定應將 #武汉肺炎病毒 当作生化武器对待。看到这个美國撤僑的视频，我有点信了。#新冠病毒 https://t.co/2E1IXAlFVe”

twitter.com

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Insert "Well it's about damned time." Meme here.
Also I kinda unironically love how causal the guy with the megaphone sounds. You can tell from the insecurity of his tone alone he's an introvert. Poor guy is really trying his best.

 

[LetThemEatCake]

Dr. Li is now a martyr and a symbol.

Beijing rverbank - characters written in the snow read ''Farewell to Li Wenliang '.



Vigil for Dr. Li:





Dr. Li fan art with Li quotes is circulating:



Apparently 'freedomofspeech' hashtag is doing the rounds too.

 

[don't tred on snek]

Melbourne diners who ate at a Glen Waverley Chinese restaurant in the city’s east have been warned they may have been exposed to coronavirus, and urged to look out for possible symptoms.

Diners at Melbourne restaurant warned to watch out for coronavirus symptoms

A sign has appeared on the Chinese restaurant's front door saying it was closing its doors to 'minimise the risk' of coronavirus.

au.news.yahoo.com

and they claim it's racist that people are afraid of going to Chinese businesses. Man

 

[northstar747]

So I was at a sherman williams paint store yesterday. It seems two days ago a chinese lady came in a bought all the N95 while yelling on her phone in Chinese.

I am in a shit tier city in CA