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[Pokemonquistador2]

The Maslow's Hierarchy thing is right. Once a society is rich enough to keep everyone from starving, it can tolerate all kinds of weird, inane social engineering, kooky beliefs, and professional victimhood shenanigans. Because the fallout from these things won't bring down a rich society, but it will boost the social and political status of those that practice them. (At least for awhile.) Eventually though, like a computer running faulty code that ends up performing destructive feedback loops, the fallout from trooning out little kids, putting incompetent people (who were the right color) in charge of public works projects, and creating woke movies that no one wants to watch will build up over time, leading to collapse. It probably won't be a general, society-wide collapse, but large portions of the population will descend into TDS. Best case scenario: they ease off of the craziness and slink into the background, waiting for the mass arrests, Gay Gulags and violent unrest which they feel is just around the corner, but which never comes. The radical Right will also be on tenderhooks, waiting for the mass arrests, Gay Gulags and violent unrest which they feel is just around the corner, and will be disappointed when that never comes either...

 

[verissimus]

What happens is that "Trumpism" will become the dominant platform of the republican party moving forward.

Think about it. All the neoconservatives, RINOs, and Never-Trumpers (but I repeat myself) are either dying or have completely lost relevance. The Republicans would have to be insane to move back in those directions, as there simply no point on doing so. The Democrats have been proven to be willing to shriek at Republicans no matter what, so why not sack up and fight back?

I think that's a bit too soon to believe. Right now I think only two things might happen for them in the future. One such outcome is them having a less non-sensical foreign policy where they will probably be far less inclined to just throw around tens of thousands of troops to fight somebody else war for them as they've been done with the previous two republican Presidents. The other positive outcome is that Republicans will probably continue standing up against the news media BS, but that's about it. I don't see Republicans pushing as hard as Trump has done in regards to immigration or threaten other countries with tariffs if they break any trade agreements we have them.

 

[Gehenna]

I think that's a bit too soon to believe. Right now I think only two things might happen for them in the future. One is a less non-sensical foreign policy where they may be far less inclined to just throw around tens of thousands of troops to fight somebody else war for them as we've been done with the previous two republican Presidents. The other positive outcome is that Republicans probably will continue standing up against the BS coming from the news media, but that's about it. I don't see Republicans pushing as hard as Trump has done with immigration or threaten other countries with tariffs if they break any trade agreements we have them.

In the end, it depends on whether Trump more or less handpicks his successor. Presidents usually avoid playing favorites too much when they step down, but Trump is far from the average president.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

The Trump fart sniffing in this thread has reached peak infestation.

HK what are you talking about?
Trump hasnt chipped away at anything. The news has been completely absorbed by his circus thats why people aren't talking about real issues. The circus puts asses in front of screens, talking about the economy doesnt.

North Korea is still playing with Nukes.
Russian Oligarchs are dropping millions of dollars on U.S. Elections.
And Trump was a dotard that got played by Turkey and created more grievances with Iran.
And the economy is still shit and is completely reliant that we dont go further into this stupid trade war that has been fucking over American Farmers.
And not to mention the price of living continues to skyrocket under the Trump administration. New jobs doesnt mean shit when you aren't paid enough to have a roof over your head and eat.

We are set up for another housing crash.

Trump is historical and a spectacle but hes not helping our country. Hes an embarrassment.

Embarrassment? how is he that beyond regurgitation and not using fancy words in every sentence 24/7?

 

[Harvey Danger]

They believed that it was their literal destiny to always retain power, and therefore they would never lose the reigns of those areas they had empowered.

Such is the fate of everyone who thinks in terms of expediency instead of systems, to borrow another of Adams' ideas. KF is here to laugh at the salt, and the greatest source of salt is cognitive dissonance.

In 2016, they lost that power. It was so monumentally short sighted and arrogant, but I'd defy anyone here to prove me wrong. And now they no longer have any power at all, AND they have to contend with the fact that all the power they had with the people is gone, AND they have to deal with the fact that everything they empowered is now in Republican hands.

Disagree. The left lost one office of power, the Presidency. They actually picked up a few House/Senate seats that year. Then they took the House back in 2018 and picked up 7 governor seats, the ramifications of which are being felt in Virginia and the impeachment hearings. They also retained control of the media, arts & culture, higher education, and Big Tech. In fact, all of those institutions doubled down on lefty values and censorship.

The left isn't raging because they lost power, they're raging because they lost the very visible office that singularly embodies power. Maybe they lose again in 2020 (I hope so), but that will be because of their unchecked lunacy, not because of a comprehensive rollback of their agenda.

They don't pander because it works, they pandered because they believed that lip service was all they'd ever need now that they had all the power. And Republicans don't pander because it works, its them trying to use a Democrat strategy without... any real realization of what it is, how to do it, or that it really doesn't fundamentally work.

Pandering works on the left to keep the narrative going. You can't justify a vote for the other guy if you don't have a narrative to rationalize it to yourself. If you're a PoC, and you're presented with the choice between a "racist" and a panderer, you need to have a desperately pragmatic reason to vote for the guy you think hates you; otherwise, you go with the guy who might like you.

The breakdown in the narrative doesn't come from the other side rationally explaining its economic policies. It only breaks when you can counter the narrative, or provide a better one that can be believed without destroying the voter's identity.

It's not impossible to do that, as illustrated by a few of the black KF members posting on this thread. But until you see blacks voting for Republicans over the 10% mark, you can not claim that leftist pandering doesn't work.

(On the other hand, I agree with you that Republicans don't understand why racial pandering doesn't work for them. As I outlined above, it's an obligatory defensive tactic for them, not one that actually gains ground. Trump may be different because he blows narratives up just by being Trump, but that's not a tactic which can scale to the entire Republican party.)

 

[World's Smallest Violin]

Boomer has basically devolved into “older person I personally don’t like” leading to a lot of misuse of the term.
And then there are the people who try to promote boomer as a “mindset”.

It degenerates into typical plebbit fashion of "OLD PPL BAD" as always.

Ah, she's one of these:
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It never gets old to me when lefties bitch about someone else being un-Christian as though they actually care in the slightest. Too busy getting high off their own self-importance to even realize that a basic tenet of the religion is repentance and forgiveness, probably because an SJW is incapable of either. People can make mistakes and seek to improve; look at various stories of criminals coming to Jesus, for instance. But to these people, there is no atonement possible for any sin you may have committed, like the concept is completely unfathomable.

Also, fuckin' lol at these LARPing faggots going on about "fighting for America." I thought America was never great, guys! Why would you want to fight for a racist, backwards institution like America? You're not NAZIS, are you?!

Bourgeois liberal hypocrites exploiting the minorities they pretend to "love" and expecting teh ebil natsees to do their dirty work as per typical antifa fashion.

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Also what is this "we" nonsense? There's no "we", there's no our, there's just me and mah swamp.

 

[Gehenna]

Disagree. The left lost one office of power, the Presidency. They actually picked up a few House/Senate seats that year. Then they took the House back in 2018 and picked up 7 governor seats, the ramifications of which are being felt in Virginia and the impeachment hearings. They also retained control of the media, arts & culture, higher education, and Big Tech. In fact, all of those institutions doubled down on lefty values and censorship.

The left isn't raging because they lost power, they're raging because they lost the very visible office that singularly embodies power. Maybe they lose again in 2020 (I hope so), but that will be because of their unchecked lunacy, not because of a comprehensive rollback of their agenda.

You are thinking too short term and narrowly. They picked up a couple seats... in an election which they saw as a sure thing to actually TAKE all seats of power. In an election where gaining seats was near inevitable due to demographics and distracting. By all counts, they had all the levers of power in their reach and it was their election to lose... and they did lose. The amount they gained was far, far below what they expected and what they should have gained simply going off historical presidence.

And 2018? They had an election field that could NOT have favored them more, they by all right SHOULD have picked up both the house and senate. Yet they lost seats in the Senate, and they only won the house by a comparatively narrow margin. In an election they had everything they needed to sweep both.They had an optimal layout for seats they needed to defend and more Republican seats being available, they had an incredibly fired up base that guaranteed higher voter turnout, and they had the historical nature that the presidents party tends to lose seats in mid-term elections. If you compare what they should have obtained by all logical and historical reasoning to what they did obtain, 2018 was far from a glowing victory.

Pandering works on the left to keep the narrative going. You can't justify a vote for the other guy if you don't have a narrative to rationalize it to yourself. If you're a PoC, and you're presented with the choice between a "racist" and a panderer, you need to have a desperately pragmatic reason to vote for the guy you think hates you; otherwise, you go with the guy who might like you.

The breakdown in the narrative doesn't come from the other side rationally explaining its economic policies. It only breaks when you can counter the narrative, or provide a better one that can be believed without destroying the voter's identity.

It's not impossible to do that, as illustrated by a few of the black KF members posting on this thread. But until you see blacks voting for Republicans over the 10% mark, you can not claim that leftist pandering doesn't work.

You are missing the forest for the trees. The African American population as a whole tends to be much poorer, more crime ridden, lower educated, and generally living in pretty shitty places. The reasons for this are multifaceted, and play a massive role in their historically democratic voting tendencies.

While it is true that Lincoln was a Republican, it is also True that the Democrats have done serious pressures for the civil rights movement. Its actually closer to 50/50 on who did what, but the perception of who did what is very different. While the Democrats capitalized on it, successfully branding themselves as the party of civil rights and pro minority actions. They did not do this through pandering, but instead through highlighting their track record and acting upon it in legislation. Real effort, real results. And the title of "Pro-Minroity Heroes" has followed the democrat party since.

Fast forward, the democrat party has long since lost touch with the voters but is aware of the very real power they have at the ballot. This is when pandering really becomes prevalent. They pay lip service to what they were, ignoring the communities while they do it, and continue on. The Republicans though have been stained pretty much eternally as "Anti-minroity" through several strong backstabbings by the democrats.

Thus, the pandering itself is not what is effective here, it is simply that the Republicans cannot shake their, mostly false, image and the Democrats keep up a paper thin veneer of past glory.. The actual effective thing here is that byplay between the parties. And with the African American population living as they do, and with a successful scapegoat that you even acknowledge as a thing, in play... the democrats just coast on their past glory while claiming that it was the past Evil Republicans who made them how they are today.

 

[lolwatagain]

I think the key difference is that in the past everyone promised the moon and fuck-all happened. Now, we have a candidate legitimately delivering on those promises.

I'm disappointed that Trump hasn't been able to deliver on his promises of improving infrastructure, but I also realize that meaningful infrastructure improvements will probably never happen in my lifetime due to waste, bloated costs, NIMBYs and stupidly strict environmental regulations.

California will probably have a failing power grid, dry reservoirs and decaying roads within the next decade.

 

[Gehenna]

I'm disappointed that Trump hasn't been able to deliver on his promises of improving infrastructure, but I also realize that meaningful infrastructure improvements will probably never happen in my lifetime due to waste, bloated costs, NIMBYs and stupidly strict environmental regulations.

California will probably have a failing power grid, dry reservoirs and decaying roads within the next decade.

I'd not be as pessimistic as you. If you consider what he has passed so far, infrastructure (Which he promised in his SotU... for however much any promise made int he SotU is worth) is a logical next step. A tax reform, so people have money to spend, job growth so people have need of infrastructure, and a crackdown on illegal immigration to reduce strain on infrastructure in some areas. Or, in other words, tackling the issues around it before tackling it directly.

I'd think Trump specifically would definitely have interest in this for a second term, as he is most well known for buildings and it would be a crown to his legacy to have an infrastructure rebuilding plan that would last well after he is long gone.

 

[Ghostse]

The Trump fart sniffing in this thread has reached peak infestation.

HK what are you talking about?
Trump hasnt chipped away at anything. The news has been completely absorbed by his circus thats why people aren't talking about real issues. The circus puts asses in front of screens, talking about the economy doesnt.

North Korea is still playing with Nukes.
Russian Oligarchs are dropping millions of dollars on U.S. Elections.
And Trump was a dotard that got played by Turkey and created more grievances with Iran.
And the economy is still shit and is completely reliant that we dont go further into this stupid trade war that has been fucking over American Farmers.
And not to mention the price of living continues to skyrocket under the Trump administration. New jobs doesnt mean shit when you aren't paid enough to have a roof over your head and eat.

We are set up for another housing crash.

Trump is historical and a spectacle but hes not helping our country. Hes an embarrassment.

The Media has been shit for years. Trump is just making people start to notice that the spin has become straight lies now.
North Korea is going to Nork because they have to. They've stopped their fuckfuck escalations with the south.
"More grievances with Iran". Oh my sweet summer nigga. My absolute nigga. Yes, we don't want to start anything that would make them start holding the death to america rallies twice a week instead of once. That would be terrible.
Trade war looks like its going to be solved thanks for Chinese thirst for bats. Thank you, based Corona chan.
CoL is going up because we might actually start seeing some inflation again soon because the economy isn't completely assfucked, and the housing market is recovering.


Again, want to complain that economy is doing good - but only because all the safety nets have been burned (by Obama) aren't getting rebuilt? Very legitimate concern, but this is not the thread for it. Trump's making the situation better by fueling the economy.

Want to complain Trump is still letting America get sideways fucked by tariffs in Europe by our NATO 'allies' with little to no comment? Well shut the fuck up and chill out, West Arabia will soon be stomped into further irrevelance as retarded inbred goat fuckers take over Valid point, but he's picking out the imbalances that most relevant by scale and proximity.

Want to complain that Banks are being allowed to play the exact sort of stupid games that led to everyone winning stupid prices in 2008? EXTREMELY legitimate point, but Trump can't stop everything, that should be congress.


Which is the primary thing I like about Trump: He's not playing the game. He's not letting this wink-and-nod system of skirting the rules and using unofficial channels slide anymore. He's making people do their fucking job and own the consequences.
"Want the US involved in Syria? Congress can pass a law".

 

[SBG]

I'm curious what happens to the republicans post-Trump. I really started to despise them during the Bush era, and guys like McCain, Graham, Romney, Ryan, etc. always kept the party in a place I couldn't consider voting for. A lot of these guys we joke about being based, like McConnell, were kind of pricks 5 years ago. The smart ones have been riding the Trump wave, but I'd bet that a lot of them don't really understand what's happening and why they're cool all of a sudden, and I don't know if they can keep that up when their big dick personality is gone. Unless some prospects for carrying on Trump's momentum start showing up, I'm guessing he's going to create a divide when he's gone.

The Republican party will quickly forget what it was about Trump everyone liked and carry on again with focusing on tax cuts and abortion as they gradually lose popularity due to most of the GOP politicians being more concerned with decorum than disagreeing with Democrats' views. Can see traces of it already with how many Republicans will say they support his actions/views but hate that he says mean things even though nearly every single one of his detractors says things 10x worse.

Have to wonder if Democrats will be able to get their shit together in four years to get back in power by finally trying to appeal to American workers, but they'll probably end up doing like Bernie Sanders instead where they keep on supporting globalist policies as they wonder why voters keep voting against their own interests.

 

[HumanHive]

The Republican party will quickly forget what it was about Trump everyone liked and carry on again with focusing on tax cuts and abortion as they gradually lose popularity due to most of the GOP politicians being more concerned with decorum than disagreeing with Democrats' views. Can see traces of it already with how many Republicans will say they support his actions/views but hate that he says mean things even though nearly every single one of his detractors says things 10x worse.

Have to wonder if Democrats will be able to get their shit together in four years to get back in power by finally trying to appeal to American workers, but they'll probably end up doing like Bernie Sanders instead where they keep on supporting globalist policies as they wonder why voters keep voting against their own interests.

The worst thing about Republicans is they've become the party of managed decline. I went to a military industrial conference about two years ago, sat next to a Swiss diplomat, and we heard endless shit about how China would win, there was nothing we could do, but make sure we upgrade our military to keep up appearances and prevent us from falling too fast. Utter cuckold shit.

And look at China now. Is their supremacy really that inevitable? Or have our leaders just decided it'd be too hard and unpopular to actually lead again?

 

[SBG]

The worst thing about Republicans is they've become the party of managed decline. I went to a military industrial conference about two years ago, sat next to a Swiss diplomat, and we heard endless shit about how China would win, there was nothing we could do, but make sure we upgrade our military to keep up appearances and prevent us from falling too fast. Utter cuckold shit.

And look at China now. Is their supremacy really that inevitable? Or have our leaders just decided it'd be too hard and unpopular to actually lead again?

Our leaders: We need to accept that the China will become more powerful than the US

Meanwhile China:

 

[Jarolleon]

that's kinda weird because trump
1. identified with the republican party by signing on as a candidate in 2015
2. killed it by assuming direct control of the leadership de facto by getting all the delegates
3. gutted it by winning the presidency and now nobody's going to stand up to him without getting called out by trump's supporters
4. is wearing the republican party as his suit while demanding respect

and i'm pointing this out as a deranged right-wing nutjob.
projection goes both ways. be careful!

Gutting respected institutions & wearing their skin isn't some evil tendency limited to SJWs, but merely the next evolution of political strategy which the SJWs have discovered first , the political equivalent of Revolutionary France's Levee en masse. How else could a faction so self-evidently insane achieved a stranglehold on the politics and culture of the Western world? /sneed

More seriously, the main difference with Trump is that he simply shifted which portion of the Republican coalition the party pandered to, it wasn't gutting the party but bringing a different portion thereof to the fore. If he really wanted to take it over SJW style he would have quietly stacked the party with alt-lite people back when this movement was popular, and dogwhistle to them whenever he could get away with it to keep them motivated, and encourage similar politically motivated appointments in each federal agency, until they reach such critical mass that you'll get CIA agents referring to themselves as "glow in the darks" .

 

[Squidbot]

I can

Holy fuck. You're right. I never realized I could talk to the dude who originally tossed me into my momma.

I never tried! Bless you.

Thanks, I'll get back to you when that's resolved.

See why he tossed you.

 

[FuckedUp]

Can you faggots stop essayposting about your lives and sociological analysis of Trump and go back to just posting tweets and shit of tards sperging out over the orange man? Jesus Christ, take this discussion to the appropriate thread(s).

 

[dopy]

Can you faggots stop essayposting about your lives and sociological analysis of Trump and go back to just posting tweets and shit of tards sperging out over the orange man? Jesus Christ, take this discussion to the appropriate thread(s).

No. You're going to sit there and read my post about my feefees you fucking queer. Look at these words. Look at them. Read them carefully, because it's the last time you're gunna post in this farking thread if you keep this shitting it up, okay? Read these words and reap. Consider this a warning, as I will NOT hesitate to flame you even more.

 

[Jigglyjogglers]

Funny how we never had so many threadshitters until the "Trump Enslavement Syndrome" thread started up. Weird that. Very odd. Stranger thing.

Must be a complete coincidence.

 

[Lina Colorado]

Apparently a man was arrested(sorry if i'm late) that wanted to break into the whitehouse with a knife, "ready to kill trump".https://www.businessinsider.com/man-arrested-white-house-knife-threat-trump-2020-2

 

[Shield Breaker]

The Media has been shit for years. Trump is just making people start to notice that the spin has become straight lies now.
North Korea is going to Nork because they have to. They've stopped their fuckfuck escalations with the south.
"More grievances with Iran". Oh my sweet summer nigga. My absolute nigga. Yes, we don't want to start anything that would make them start holding the death to america rallies twice a week instead of once. That would be terrible.
Trade war looks like its going to be solved thanks for Chinese thirst for bats. Thank you, based Corona chan.
CoL is going up because we might actually start seeing some inflation again soon because the economy isn't completely assfucked, and the housing market is recovering.


Again, want to complain that economy is doing good - but only because all the safety nets have been burned (by Obama) aren't getting rebuilt? Very legitimate concern, but this is not the thread for it. Trump's making the situation better by fueling the economy.

Want to complain Trump is still letting America get sideways fucked by tariffs in Europe by our NATO 'allies' with little to no comment? Well shut the fuck up and chill out, West Arabia will soon be stomped into further irrevelance as exceptional inbred goat fuckers take over Valid point, but he's picking out the imbalances that most relevant by scale and proximity.

Want to complain that Banks are being allowed to play the exact sort of stupid games that led to everyone winning stupid prices in 2008? EXTREMELY legitimate point, but Trump can't stop everything, that should be congress.


Which is the primary thing I like about Trump: He's not playing the game. He's not letting this wink-and-nod system of skirting the rules and using unofficial channels slide anymore. He's making people do their fucking job and own the consequences.
"Want the US involved in Syria? Congress can pass a law".

I can't remember the name, but there was a white guy who has glasses and a beard who ripped the media a new one for being so dishonest in the 2012 election. He predicted that the next republican would be anti-media because of how transparent they had become shilling for the democrats.