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That's outstanding, but I doubt it had much to do with Trump getting elected. And that was kind of the point of what you responded to.

I get it. It sucks. But you need better root cause analysis if you're going to win this thing. I hope you do win it, though. I am kind of doomed in my state, but it'd be nice if someone beat Bloomberg's billions.
Well... you are completely right about that; What happened in Virginia took decades. I guess I just foolishly hoped when he won that he would take drastic action to reverse the trend my state was going in, but he doesn't really have the power to do that nor the sort of... FDR-ness to do it anyway.
 
Might as well be black guy number #4, since I am black as well and since the topic has shifted to talking about politicans manipulating minorities, might as well have my input take hold.

Yeah, dems and repubs pander to blacks and minorities a lot. I think it's more disgusting on the Dem side because they are more blatant about it. Because of Barry Goldwater and shit scaring away black voters, the Dems have blacks on a chain. Not a "muh slavery" thing like Blexit niggas like Candace Owens say, but I dare you to meet an African-American who won't vote Democrat. And even when there's a black person that doesn't, they are so desperate to try to get you to vote for them. Reparations, candidates trying, Mike Bloomberg's disgusting radio commercial where he's like "If I was black I wouldn't have had as much success, vote for me and I'll bring you success", and all kinds of shit. The only things Repubs try is using Candace Owens or someone like that as a pawn and trying to put her as a front to get blacks to vote for Repubs, which is bad as well, but they don't really go farther than that since they have no chance at that demographic.
I think the key difference is that in the past everyone promised the moon and fuck-all happened. Now, we have a candidate legitimately delivering on those promises. I guess that someone could get into a debate about whether or not helping a community counts as pandering, but.. Does it really matter at that point? Does it even count as pandering if he specifically promised to drop black unemployment numbers to record lows and then actually did end up doing it?

I've seen my fair share of strange arguments over this topic in really Far-Left Twitter spheres, but they never make any sense to me. Like, if he keeps bringing up the percentages and that strikes someone as pandering, I guess so, but literally everyone else in the running is promising the exact, same thing and most of them have been in politics for like 30+ years and those numbers only got fucking worse.

The fact that so many of these people unironically believe that these Democrats give the faintest iota of a shit about the minority communities beyond a token voting bloc is just astounding to me. They've had decades to help these people and never did a single thing other than pump more welfare into whatever slum they're lording over. Have the Republicans been just as bad in the past? Yeah, but all those Republicans have kind of fucked off or died, now, and Trump isn't exactly an old-school Republican.

At the end of the day, Obama let everything get worse, Hillary just wagged hot sauce around, and Trump made sure that everyone got a steady paycheck. From there, everyone can just figure out what they want to do. If you completely strip out any and all elements of race from the argument, it all boils down to: Team A's done nothing but make empty promises for God knows how long (Now including full-blown fucking reparations because that won't stoke racial tensions!), and Team B's actually keeping their promises.
 
I guess I just foolishly hoped when he won that he would take drastic action to reverse the trend my state was going in, but he doesn't really have the power to do that nor the sort of... FDR-ness to do it anyway.
I would rather Trump not become a near-military dictator like FDR was.

Under FDR's administration, the US was moments away from becoming an imperial autocracy, ruled by Franklin I Delano Roosevelt, Emperor of the United States of America.
 
I think the key difference is that in the past everyone promised the moon and fuck-all happened. Now, we have a candidate legitimately delivering on those promises. I guess that someone could get into a debate about whether or not helping a community counts as pandering, but.. Does it really matter at that point? Does it even count as pandering if he specifically promised to drop black unemployment numbers to record lows and then actually did end up doing it?

I've seen my fair share of strange arguments over this topic in really Far-Left Twitter spheres, but they never make any sense to me. Like, if he keeps bringing up the percentages and that strikes someone as pandering, I guess so, but literally everyone else in the running is promising the exact, same thing and most of them have been in politics for like 30+ years and those numbers only got fucking worse.

The fact that so many of these people unironically believe that these Democrats give the faintest iota of a shit about the minority communities beyond a token voting bloc is just astounding to me. They've had decades to help these people and never did a single thing other than pump more welfare into whatever slum they're lording over. Have the Republicans been just as bad in the past? Yeah, but all those Republicans have kind of fucked off or died, now, and Trump isn't exactly an old-school Republican.

At the end of the day, Obama let everything get worse, Hillary just wagged hot sauce around, and Trump made sure that everyone got a steady paycheck. From there, everyone can just figure out what they want to do. If you completely strip out any and all elements of race from the argument, it all boils down to: Team A's done nothing but make empty promises for God knows how long (Now including full-blown fucking reparations because that won't stoke racial tensions!), and Team B's actually keeping their promises.
Nah, when I mean repubs, I'm not referring to Tramp, I'm talking about conservative propaganda shit like PragerU or Fox News whenever they bring Candace Owens or something like that. Tramp doesn't really pander like a politician, he panders like what he is: a businessman. His "big, beautiful wall" image is a perfect example of that. He visualizes something and brings it to the public light, and said visual appears. Whether it be good or bad is to your own subjection, but he's not the standard republican in terms of pandering to blacks. He tries to promise instead of manipulating. As far as I'm concerned, he's never tried to manipulate you to vote for him. He shits on the competition and then convinces the viewer that he is the best person for the job, just like a businessman.

I don't think the Republicans have been just as bad in the past with pandering, I'm talking about nowadays, not back then.
 
Nah, when I mean repubs, I'm not referring to Tramp, I'm talking about conservative propaganda shit like PragerU or Fox News whenever they bring Candace Owens or something like that. Tramp doesn't really pander like a politician, he panders like what he is: a businessman. His "big, beautiful wall" image is a perfect example of that. He visualizes something and brings it to the public light, said visual light. Whether it be good or bad is to your own subjection.

I don't think the Republicans have been just as bad in the past, I'm talking about nowadays, not back then.
Oh, I know. I don't know a fucking thing about Candace Owens, though. I never pay any attention to "pundit personalities" because 99% of the time they're fucking idiots who are just sprinting after the newest "Gotcha' moment" hot take, even if it means 10 minutes later they're going to slam their face into a brick wall.
 
Oh, I know. I don't know a fucking thing about Candace Owens, though. I never pay any attention to "pundit personalities" because 99% of the time they're fucking idiots who are just sprinting after the newest "Gotcha' moment" hot take, even if it means 10 minutes later they're going to slam their face into a brick wall.
Godspeed. You have not suffered as many have.
 
Nah, when I mean repubs, I'm not referring to Tramp, I'm talking about conservative propaganda shit like PragerU or Fox News whenever they bring Candace Owens or something like that. Tramp doesn't really pander like a politician, he panders like what he is: a businessman. His "big, beautiful wall" image is a perfect example of that. He visualizes something and brings it to the public light, and said visual appears. Whether it be good or bad is to your own subjection, but he's not the standard republican in terms of pandering to blacks. He tries to promise instead of manipulating. As far as I'm concerned, he's never tried to manipulate you to vote for him. He shits on the competition and then convinces the viewer that he is the best person for the job, just like a businessman.

I don't think the Republicans have been just as bad in the past with pandering, I'm talking about nowadays, not back then.

I'm curious what happens to the republicans post-Trump. I really started to despise them during the Bush era, and guys like McCain, Graham, Romney, Ryan, etc. always kept the party in a place I couldn't consider voting for. A lot of these guys we joke about being based, like McConnell, were kind of pricks 5 years ago. The smart ones have been riding the Trump wave, but I'd bet that a lot of them don't really understand what's happening and why they're cool all of a sudden, and I don't know if they can keep that up when their big dick personality is gone. Unless some prospects for carrying on Trump's momentum start showing up, I'm guessing he's going to create a divide when he's gone.
 
I'm curious what happens to the republicans post-Trump. I really started to despise them during the Bush era, and guys like McCain, Graham, Romney, Ryan, etc. always kept the party in a place I couldn't consider voting for. A lot of these guys we joke about being based, like McConnell, were kind of pricks 5 years ago. The smart ones have been riding the Trump wave, but I'd bet that a lot of them don't really understand what's happening and why they're cool all of a sudden, and I don't know if they can keep that up when their big dick personality is gone. Unless some prospects for carrying on Trump's momentum start showing up, I'm guessing he's going to create a divide when he's gone.
What happens is that "Trumpism" will become the dominant platform of the republican party moving forward.

Think about it. All the neoconservatives, RINOs, and Never-Trumpers (but I repeat myself) are either dying or have completely lost relevance. The Republicans would have to be insane to move back in those directions, as there simply no point on doing so. The Democrats have been proven to be willing to shriek at Republicans no matter what, so why not sack up and fight back?
 
What happens is that "Trumpism" will become the dominant platform of the republican party moving forward.

Think about it. All the neoconservatives, RINOs, and Never-Trumpers (but I repeat myself) are either dying or have completely lost relevance. The Republicans would have to be insane to move back in those directions, as there simply no point on doing so. The Democrats have been proven to be willing to shriek at Republicans no matter what, so why not sack up and fight back?
All they have to do is shill Rand Paul and Dan Crenshaw (although he's an Israel shill) in front and they'll be fine. Let the young guys take over.

That and I want Ben Carson to run again...and maybe Ted Cruz as well.
 
Yeah, dems and repubs pander to blacks and minorities a lot. I think it's more disgusting on the Dem side because they are more blatant about it. Because of Barry Goldwater and shit scaring away black voters, the Dems have blacks on a chain. Not a "muh slavery" thing like Blexit niggas like Candace Owens say, but I dare you to meet an African-American who won't vote Democrat. And even when there's a black person that doesn't, they are so desperate to try to get you to vote for them. Reparations, candidates trying, Mike Bloomberg's disgusting radio commercial where he's like "If I was black I wouldn't have had as much success, vote for me and I'll bring you success", and all kinds of shit. The only things Repubs try is using Candace Owens or someone like that as a pawn and trying to put her as a front to get blacks to vote for Repubs, which is bad as well, but they don't really go farther than that since they have no chance at that demographic.

The irony is that they're mostly doing that as a reaction to being called racist. If the Democrats went for a few elections without screeching about bigotry and the Southern Strategy, the GOP pandering would fade away.

For decades, the Republican ideology has been "our values make everyone successful regardless of race", and if you listen to their actual messaging it hasn't changed. But once identity politics took over, and voting blocs changed from ideological groups to demographic groups, they got really butthurt about only pulling < 5% of blacks. Many view changing that as the first step in becoming competitive in urban centers, which isn't entirely without merit.

I hate the pandering too, but I don't know how to make it go away without the other side agreeing to identity politics détente. Let's say Generic Republican Senate Candidate announces "we had a Black Outreach Director last election, but this time we're getting rid of Black Outreach because our message is universal". There is no way that would be spun as anything less than "Republicans don't care about black people". The Democrat would sprint in front of the nearest camera to declare "there are issues that affect the Black Experience uniquely, and the GOP won't address them". And so on.

The political landscape will morph into something else eventually, I don't know what. It'll probably be something worse. Until then, I think the GOP is stuck with tokenism as a purely defensive move. It's like a lawsuit in court, where one side files a preposterous motion to dismiss the case; the other side has to respond, no matter how ridiculous the argument, or else they automatically lose.
 
My family don't like Trump and between myself, my Mom her husband, we disagree a lot on policy. My brother's politics are more inline with my Mom's, while mine are opposed, but mostly, in line with Stepdad. He's a very old-fashioned, conservative hard-working guy who for some reason considers himself a Democrat. He doesn't like Trump because he's a conman, and to be fair, he kind of his. People love to bring up his Trump university stuff and bankruptcies. And there was also something about him not paying workers for the job they did, and they didn't take him to court because they didn't have the money. Not familiar with that story and that is kind of scummy I'll admit; but really, no President is flawless.

It's interesting because everything about his personality and ideology would lead you think he's a conservative, and he is, but for some reason he decides to hitch his wagon to the left wing.

I wouldn't say they have TDS and they certainly don't hate me or refuse to talk to me because of my politics, probably because they believe; rightly; that most of this shit doesn't matter and everybody has different opinions about everything and that's part of being an American. They think I'm wrong, I think they're wrong and that's the end of it.

I have met plenty of crazy TDS liberals though, there's this one person I work with, God damn, if there was a stereotype for of an insane liberal she is the fucking PICTURE of it.

Another co-worker of mine is a bernie sanders supporter who admits Trump has done good things. Figure that one out. She's also in favor of universal healthcare, though she says 'to an extent' (whatever the fuck that means). I've tried explaining the flaws in her arguments but she just won't listen and mindlessly repeats that 'healthcare is a human right, nobody deserves to die because they can't pay'(paraphrased). I wouldn't classify her as TDS either because she seems fairly open-minded and can admit that Trump has done good things.

It's not really a surprise considering I live in a deep-blue county in a deep-blue state. Over 80% of my county is democrat; everyone I've talked to is either ambivalent on politics or does not consider themselves a republican or a trump supporter. What is surprising is that I would be a Republican (I consider myself libertarian) being raised by a liberal and exposed to liberal thinking my whole life. I red-pilled myself around 2018. I voted for Hillary. I left the Democratic party and I'm never, ever going back.
 
I hate the pandering too, but I don't know how to make it go away without the other side agreeing to identity politics détente. Let's say Generic Republican Senate Candidate announces "we had a Black Outreach Director last election, but this time we're getting rid of Black Outreach because our message is universal". There is no way that would be spun as anything less than "Republicans don't care about black people". The Democrat would sprint in front of the nearest camera to declare "there are issues that affect the Black Experience uniquely, and the GOP won't address them". And so on.
The same way Trump's making everything else go away right now: Lift all the boats.

Why would you need black/white/asian/hispanic pandering from a candidate promising you X when you're already financially stable? Why would you need to vote for Socialist policies when you've already got money in the bank, so all they can effectively do is yank your money away with taxes? Why would you need to vote for a politician promising to put an end to American wars if all the wars have already ground to a stop? Why would you want to vote for a politician who wants to reform the prison system if it's already been reformed? What would the sense be in voting for a politician promising better trade deals if the USMCA already took care of it?

Whether people have noticed it or not, Trump's been methodically chipping away at the biggest reasons to even want to vote for anyone else. He's cleaving away at all of the platforms that career politicians have been exploiting for decades, which is why so few of them even want to talk about the economy, it's why you haven't heard a fucking peep about North Korea for more than a year, and why ISIS never makes the headlines these days, and why you don't really hear about the opioid epidemic anymore.

If everyone in every community has a good job and the U.S. isn't going to war, there's not a whole lot of people left to pander to. One of the biggest reasons that they're all stuck in this "Orange Man Bad" loop is because there ain't a whole lot fuckin' else left for them to talk about, and that list is getting smaller by the day.
 
The Trump fart sniffing in this thread has reached peak infestation.

HK what are you talking about?
Trump hasnt chipped away at anything. The news has been completely absorbed by his circus thats why people aren't talking about real issues. The circus puts asses in front of screens, talking about the economy doesnt.

North Korea is still playing with Nukes.
Russian Oligarchs are dropping millions of dollars on U.S. Elections.
And Trump was a dotard that got played by Turkey and created more grievances with Iran.
And the economy is still shit and is completely reliant that we dont go further into this stupid trade war that has been fucking over American Farmers.
And not to mention the price of living continues to skyrocket under the Trump administration. New jobs doesnt mean shit when you aren't paid enough to have a roof over your head and eat.

We are set up for another housing crash.

Trump is historical and a spectacle but hes not helping our country. Hes an embarrassment.
 
The Trump fart sniffing in this thread has reached peak infestation.

HK what are you talking about?
Trump hasnt chipped away at anything. The news has been completely absorbed by his circus thats why people aren't talking about real issues. The circus puts asses in front of screens, talking about the economy doesnt.

North Korea is still playing with Nukes.
Russian Oligarchs are dropping millions of dollars on U.S. Elections.
And Trump was a dotard that got played by Turkey and created more grievances with Iran.
And the economy is still shit and is completely reliant that we dont go further into this stupid trade war that has been fucking over American Farmers.
And not to mention the price of living continues to skyrocket under the Trump administration. New jobs doesnt mean shit when you aren't paid enough to have a roof over your head and eat.

We are set up for another housing crash.

Trump is historical and a spectacle but hes not helping our country. Hes an embarrassment.
 
I'm curious what happens to the republicans post-Trump. I really started to despise them during the Bush era, and guys like McCain, Graham, Romney, Ryan, etc. always kept the party in a place I couldn't consider voting for. A lot of these guys we joke about being based, like McConnell, were kind of pricks 5 years ago. The smart ones have been riding the Trump wave, but I'd bet that a lot of them don't really understand what's happening and why they're cool all of a sudden, and I don't know if they can keep that up when their big dick personality is gone. Unless some prospects for carrying on Trump's momentum start showing up, I'm guessing he's going to create a divide when he's gone.
A smart businessman knows that personality is its own thing. My hope, personally, is that Trump continues to be active politically after he leaves office, helping to continue shaping the party and endorsing a candidate that loosely matches his own presence. If the Republicans can get, win or lose the whitehouse, even three "Trump Candidates" in a row, it will set the entire party's purpose going forward.
 
The same way Trump's making everything else go away right now: Lift all the boats.

Why would you need black/white/asian/hispanic pandering from a candidate promising you X when you're already financially stable? Why would you need to vote for Socialist policies when you've already got money in the bank, so all they can effectively do is yank your money away with taxes? Why would you need to vote for a politician promising to put an end to American wars if all the wars have already ground to a stop? Why would you want to vote for a politician who wants to reform the prison system if it's already been reformed? What would the sense be in voting for a politician promising better trade deals if the USMCA already took care of it?

Because of Maslow's Hierarchy. Once you've got your basic needs taken care of, you start looking for belonging, esteem, and self-actualization. Politicians have stopped selling workable policies and are now selling a sense of community, of status, and of self-actualization.

That's the really insidious thing about the way the left has been framing "racism" recently. It's not enough that things are improving for everyone; the current outcomes are unequal, and that means there is institutionalized racism/patriarchy/bigotry/whatever that needs to be dealt with. They have insulated their ideological stranglehold against things getting worse and things getting better, because things will never be perfect and therefore The Fight must carry on.

It's not enough that black kids can get the education they need and their parents can get jobs; they are underperforming whites, and that means there is a Black Issue. If your candidate doesn't address Black Issues, they are racist. It's not enough that women have been fully accepted in the workplace and can pick any career path--they are only 30% of company executives, and therefore you must vote for the candidate who Fights For Women(TM). And so on.

Rich white college graduates are not voting for Socialism because they are suffering, they are voting for socialism because they are told others are suffering, and they feel bad about it, and they are told socialism is The Good Thing which will make the Bad Things go away. The middle class is voting for socialism because the Socialists promise they won't be the ones paying the taxes, it will be those rich white fools. The lower middle class may have their lot improved, but they haven't gotten over the stability shock of 2008, and the Socialists are the ones promising to secure their future. And the poor want Socialism for obvious reasons, no matter how many jobs get created.

Whether people have noticed it or not, Trump's been methodically chipping away at the biggest reasons to even want to vote for anyone else. He's cleaving away at all of the platforms that career politicians have been exploiting for decades, which is why so few of them even want to talk about the economy, it's why you haven't heard a fucking peep about North Korea for more than a year, and why ISIS never makes the headlines these days, and why you don't really hear about the opioid epidemic anymore.

And yet the TDS documented in this thread continues to increase. Impeachment is not a distant memory, it was last week.

Scott Adams is morbidly correct when he says we now live in a world where facts don't matter. Trump was a racist homophobic alt-right pussy grabber who would start WW3 and end Medicare. The fact that none of this turned out to be true is irrelevant to the question of who you will vote for. You can't go back on that stance without acknowledging serious flaws in the way you describe the world, and if your have personalized politics to the degree the left has, then destroying your ideological worldview is destroying your very identity.

No matter how much better off they are now, people will not destroy their identity to vote for Trump. They'll rationalize it as "growing stronger under oppression", and hey, what a coincidence, their side values such Stunning And Brave victimhood stories as the last remaining form of virtue.

If everyone in every community has a good job and the U.S. isn't going to war, there's not a whole lot of people left to pander to. One of the biggest reasons that they're all stuck in this "Orange Man Bad" loop is because there ain't a whole lot fuckin' else left for them to talk about, and that list is getting smaller by the day.

You vastly underestimate the power of pandering. If it didn't work, politicians wouldn't do it.
 
And yet the TDS documented in this thread continues to increase. Impeachment is not a distant memory, it was last week.

Scott Adams is morbidly correct when he says we now live in a world where facts don't matter. Trump was a racist homophobic alt-right pussy grabber who would start WW3 and end Medicare. The fact that none of this turned out to be true is irrelevant to the question of who you will vote for. You can't go back on that stance without acknowledging serious flaws in the way you describe the world, and if your have personalized politics to the degree the left has, then destroying your ideological worldview is destroying your very identity.

Snpping this bit out to point something out. The TDS is a symptom of an inability to gain power. The American left institutionalized its power to such a degree that, with the reigns of power removed from them, they suddenly realize that they have no power at all.

What do I mean by this?

They empowered the presidency, they removed blocks in the senate, they invested a ton of political capital into ensuring that the areas they held power only entrenched that power. They then, now having all the power they could grab, completely neglected the powers of the vote and the people. They didn't need, or so they said to themselves, to campaign in the Rust Belt because it was their Blue Wall. They didn't need to campaign in Chicago or Detroit, because Blacks always vote Democrat. They didn't even need to vote in Rural communities because they always vote Republican and therefore don't matter.

They believed that it was their literal destiny to always retain power, and therefore they would never lose the reigns of those areas they had empowered.

In 2016, they lost that power. It was so monumentally short sighted and arrogant, but I'd defy anyone here to prove me wrong. And now they no longer have any power at all, AND they have to contend with the fact that all the power they had with the people is gone, AND they have to deal with the fact that everything they empowered is now in Republican hands.

They don't pander because it works, they pandered because they believed that lip service was all they'd ever need now that they had all the power. And Republicans don't pander because it works, its them trying to use a Democrat strategy without... any real realization of what it is, how to do it, or that it really doesn't fundamentally work.
 
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