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mr.moon1488 said:
Sounds really fucked up, but antipersonnel mines might be the most practical thing in some areas.
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You'd still have to plant them. A few men waiting with machine-gins would be ideal and much faster to deploy. The thing that should be remembered is choke points. bridges, roads, tunnels, etc.
 
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I'm expecting cryptocurrencies to spike as anyone of means in China tries to smuggle as much wealth out of the area as they can before the house of cards collapses. Then if it gets really bad, I'm expecting crypto to flatline as people realize that internet money is stupid as hell when critical infrastructure is failing.
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Yeah, about that...

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They're coming for your bitcoin. Until they find some way to regulate, control, and subvert it.
 
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Arctic Fox said:
You'd still have to plant them. A few men waiting with machine-gins would be ideal and much faster to deploy. The thing that should be remembered is choke points. bridges, roads, tunnels, etc.
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Not... necessarily.

There's a thing called: "FASCAM" which comes in APERS and AT versions. This tech has been around for a long time, and coupled with a knock-off Grid Square Removal Device, you could mine the fuck out of the area and not get anywhere near it.

FASCAM stands for FAMily of SCAtterable Mines. It's a big honking artillery shell, US Army uses 155mm and 8" shells. It has a bursting charge that goes off, cracking the steel casing and scattering AntiPERSonnel mines or Anti-Tank mines in a pattern.

The MLRS wagon, AKA the Grid Square Removal System uses 11" rockets to deliver a warhead that bursts open, deploying submunitions over a large area.

Both systems were used to great effect during Desert Storm and saw usage in Afghanistan and Iraq during the GWoT.

A few men with machineguns need to dig in, have ammunition, food, water, support. You have to be confident they'd fire on civilians. Those would take time to get there, dig in, deploy the LMG/GPHMG, then wait. You'd have to hope they didn't let anyone slip by due to accident or purposefully.

FASCAM and MRLS doesn't care. They do their jobs, are deployed in minutes, and just wait patiently.

Planting them isn't the issue.

The issue is: are you willing to do it on civilians who are just fleeing starvation, plague, and the rest?
 
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Arctic Fox said:
You'd still have to plant them. A few men waiting with machine-gins would be ideal and much faster to deploy. The thing that should be remembered is choke points. bridges, roads, tunnels, etc.
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This is true in a lot of places, but there's a few major problems with using machine guns in a lot of places.

1: Dead space. For a machine gun to really be effective, it needs to either be just directly covering some choke point, or covering a wide open field.

2: Actual numbers of machine gunners needed. Most nations go with a 2-3 man gun team configuration. 50% security just is not practical on the long term, so the team is going to have to be 3 people per gun at least, and you're going to need a lot of guns. Most armies train their line guys somewhat on whatever machine gun they're using for their support by fire, but for something this important, I'd really be a bit afraid to have a non-gun team member on the rotation. This is the norm on FOBs, but some dude freaking out, and not knowing how to correct a malfunction on the gun in a timely manner could be disastrous.

3: Psychological concerns. Likely not that big of a concern for the bug people, but you have to remember, you're still asking for someone to fire on a civilian, and it only takes one infected slipping out to start another pandemic. You don't really have to worry about this with mines.


Really the ideal would likely be a layered defense which included direct fire area weapons, mines, and fencing/C-wire, but that would be rough to set up in a timely manner.
 
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Checking in from a Burgerland state where Hurricane season makes basic disaster preparedness non-negotiable, the only thing I've noticed being 'out of the ordinary' is that all the local big boxes are practically picked clean for masks. I made some trips out on the 11th, 12th and 13th (today as of this posting) and decided to check on local stocks of a few things while I have the chance to put together a sort of "before" picture.

Between Home Depot, Harbor Freight, Wal-Mart and Lowe's I was able to spot a grand total of 10 3M 8511 respirators. These are the ones with the external one-way valve; the 8200 series (no one-way valve) were completely gone. The higher-rated respirators either aren't regularly stocked locally, or are also already sold out. Every other basic necessity is plentiful - things like toilet paper, bottled water, canned and dry goods. The general public seems not to have Corona Chan on their radar at all. Local news is giving it basic coverage, at least.

Personally, I'm a little spooked out by the mass Georgian "self-quarantine" (archive) because that's getting a little close for comfort, and I don't believe for a single hot second that self-quarantine will be effective if multiple people came back carrying Nurgle's blessing. It might be time for some of us to start cutting plastic.

A lot of the info that people like @Jet Fuel Johnny are posting here is more than worth its weight in gold, especially for anyone who hasn't ever experienced any real serious disruption of "normal life" due to disease or disaster. It's especially cool for those of us who kinda know what we're doing, but ultimately only know what Dad was able to teach. Having this stuff in handbook form, written to be understood and implemented by drooling dumbasses, is a godsend even to those of us who are tempted to think we know our shit just because we've seen a Hurricane or ten.

I feel reasonably good about my own level of preparedness. Feels a bit weird, doing essentially all the same planning my dad used to do when I was a snotty little idiot and 140mph winds of death were on their way. Still hoping to end up looking like a fool who overprepared, because if the prep is needed then it will likely be because people in this area have started dying.

It's a damn shame that I very stupidly decided to take all the guns and ammo on that cane pole fishing trip. What freakishly rotten luck that it just fell out of the boat like that. (:_(

As others have noted earlier in the thread, it's still sorta astonishing to me that - of all places - this thread seems to be the best place for general info by a hell of a long way.
Granted, you have to use your brain a bit to get it, but anyone who can be bothered to get even a little curious about learning shit will find a massive dump of good stuff from a wide variety of people and places. I'm weirdly glad to see that the internet equivalent of the seedy dive bar never stopped being the best place for useful information that matters.
 
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Another Australian Broadcasting Corporation article about a racially vilified person of Chinese descent (Student evicted from Perth house due to landlord's fears of coronavirus outbreak). I strongly suspect that, like the man who died in Sydney, the perpetrator of this racial discrimination is also Asian. It’s a room for $86/week cash in hand and most Asian students I know have Asian slumlords. Also most boomers in Australia don’t give a fuck about WuFlu.

I’ve looked everywhere and can’t find any info which makes the landlord’s background clear. If anybody finds anything please @ me.

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Sissy Galvez said:
Gilead has the patent but the chinese are licensing it and manufacturing it, breaking Us law, but now they’re moving to patent it?

I don’t get it.
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China has their own completely bogus intellectual property law system that is only designed to fuck over any company or individual that isn't Chinese. It's 100% fine to register stolen shit as long as it was stolen from a foreign entity. The rest of the world just enables the culture of complete utter corruption by letting them strip shelves bare of things like baby formula.
 
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Charls did nothing wrong said:
Another Australian Broadcasting Corporation article about a racially vilified person of Chinese descent (Student evicted from Perth house due to landlord's fears of coronavirus outbreak). I strongly suspect that, like the man who died in Sydney, the perpetrator of this racial discrimination is also Asian. It’s a room for $86/week cash in hand and most Asian students I know have Asian slumlords. Also most boomers in Australia don’t give a fuck about WuFlu.

I’ve looked everywhere and can’t find any info which makes the landlord’s background clear. If anybody finds anything please @ me.

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Not going to lie, I expect to see this on the hate crime hoaxes subreddit in a few weeks.
 
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Bob's Fuckass Head said:
Personally, I'm a little spooked out by the mass Georgian "self-quarantine" (archive) because that's getting a little close for comfort, and I don't believe for a single hot second that self-quarantine will be effective if multiple people came back carrying Nurgle's blessing. It might be time for some of us to start cutting plastic.
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Thematically related, this reminds me of the case of the village of Eyam in Derbyshire. During the Black Death, the village started seeing cases of the plague but the surrounding villages and countryside didn't have it. The possible cause may have been a delivery of used clothes from London which had infected fleas in them. In any case, the villagers elected to stay in the village even though it meant more of them may die rather than pass the plague on to other communities around them. Pretty damn noble of them.
 
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Bob's Fuckass Head said:
As others have noted earlier in the thread, it's still sorta astonishing to me that - of all places - this thread seems to be the best place for general info by a hell of a long way.
Granted, you have to use your brain a bit to get it, but anyone who can be bothered to get even a little curious about learning shit will find a massive dump of good stuff from a wide variety of people and places. I'm weirdly glad to see that the internet equivalent of the seedy dive bar never stopped being the best place for useful information that matters.
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Absolutely agree. I check this thread more often than the usual news sources for new updates on the virus. The wealth of information we have here is thanks to this site having no vested interests, unlike mainstream media/social media companies who have left or right leanings, biased owners, or looking out for their bottom line so they censor/underreport/exaggerate stuff as needed. Very grateful that Null and the mods keeps the site's integrity intact, and to all thread participants for sharing information and even the occasional chuckle shitposts. Free flow of information and freedom of speech is important.
 
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