Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Botchy Galoop]

I will miss this thread when WuFlu runs it's course. There's been a lot of good intel, info and shit-posting gathered here.

I don't KNOW the sun isn't going to go into a supernova tomorrow and kill us all either. But I have pretty good idea it won't.

Ever wonder why the Spanish Influenza was so bad? Why it was global?

It's because the world was linked together and was doing massive goods trading and population exchanges during WWI. It wasn't stopped or slowed one bit by it. The distribution chain held. The electrical grid didn't collapse. Goods and services still exchanged.

"But it's different" you say. No. It really isn't. A lineman is still a lineman. They got sick in 1918 too. Their grid didn't fail. Same with train engineers. Warehousemen. Stevedores. Truck drivers. Etc. It all continued to function.

The Spanish fucking Flu, the worst pandemic humanity has faced in the industrial era, did not stop work in core industries. These industries are bigger now but they also have more workers. You are treating this like it's all operated by like one guy and if he gets sick we are all fucked. It isn't. There are millions and millions of people involved in this. If a couple aren't around the others pull an extra shift.

THAT'S IT! THERE WILL BE NO ROOM IN THE BUNKER FOR YOU!!!1!!

 

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From Jim's friend's twitter

Just a flu

 

[Feline Supremacist]

More noteworthy is the Spanish Flu is barely a footnote to history today, 100 years later. I'm betting most of the people reading here had never heard of it until this thread. Give some thought to that. Civilization is more resilient than many believe.

Because antibiotics weren't a thing in 1918 people behaved differently. They definitely avoided the sick if they knew they weren't immune because smallpox. diphtheria, whopping cough, measles, mumps, scarlet fever, tuberculosis and venereal diseases etc couldn't be cured/vaccinated for. If anyone started whinging about virus racism I think they would have lynched because those diseases literally killed people all the time.

I remember hearing large families were the norm because it was assumed a certain number of children would succumb to childhood disease. This isn't the case anymore, people aren't afraid of disease but they should be.

 

[simulated goat]

Electricity was out for three days in 2003 and I was the most popular person in the building because I still had a landline and the phone was working. Everyone just barbecued food that was going to spoil anyway. It was no big deal in the long run. Storms like Sandy knock our power off and outside NYC snowstorms can leave you snowed in for a few days.

I just realized the 2003 blackout was over 16 years ago. I feel old.

I went through a five day blackout once. The first three days were fun, then everything ran out and all he stores in town were closed. The closest store the next town over was picked clean and there was no ice anywhere. By the end all we wanted was a hot meal, a warm shower and a cold beer.

 

[737 MAX Stan Account]

I don't KNOW the sun isn't going to go into a supernova tomorrow and kill us all either. But I have pretty good idea it won't.

Ever wonder why the Spanish Influenza was so bad? Why it was global?

It's because the world was linked together and was doing massive goods trading and population exchanges during WWI. It wasn't stopped or slowed one bit by it. The distribution chain held. The electrical grid didn't collapse. Goods and services still exchanged.

"But it's different" you say. No. It really isn't. A lineman is still a lineman. They got sick in 1918 too. Their grid didn't fail. Same with train engineers. Warehousemen. Stevedores. Truck drivers. Etc. It all continued to function.

The Spanish fucking Flu, the worst pandemic humanity has faced in the industrial era, did not stop work in core industries. These industries are bigger now but they also have more workers. You are treating this like it's all operated by like one guy and if he gets sick we are all fucked. It isn't. There are millions and millions of people involved in this. If a couple aren't around the others pull an extra shift.

I swear to God if you end up jinxing us...

 

[Rudy Russo]

From Jim's friend's twitter

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Just a flu

If your a official in North Korea you should really know better. Did little Kim kill him with a flak gun or was it death by dogs?

 

[AMHOLIO]

From Jim's friend's twitter

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Tbf just the normal flu could wipe out half of Kim Jong un's sickly famine-riddled population.
It's an official as well, so he could have done something to piss the bastard off in some way.

 

[BONE_Buddy]

Tbf just the normal flu could wipe out half of Kim Jong un's sickly famine-riddled population.
It's an official as well, so he could have done something to piss the bastard off in some way.

It was a bathhouse used by other low to mid level party officials. That was the problem.

He could have paraded himself through every peasant village in the DPRK and not been executed, so long as he didn't infect other party officials.

 

[kcbbq]

If the overreaction is to this degree, I honestly wonder how many people would react to shit like the monster storms we've had hit NY from time to time. Sandy was a fucking apocalyptic beast that knocked power out for weeks in the best areas and tore trees out of the ground like matchsticks. This board probably would have acted like it was Mad Max.

Meanwhile the state as a whole just got really drunk for days at a time (no one could go to work after all) and got on with it.

I've just been running in circles screaming in terror for the last three weeks so I can fit in with the hysteria in this thread. People getting a somewhat stronger cold virus in China is serious business.

 

[Jaimas]

I've just been running in circles screaming in terror for the last three weeks so I can fit in with the hysteria in this thread. People getting a somewhat stronger cold virus in China is serious business.

.....Carry on, then.

 

[Angry New Ager]

I agree, I doubt it would ever get that bad, but I'm an oldfag and I've never seen a country quarantine 400million people and tear up the roads before. I like knowing I have extra cans of stuff (and an extra bar of soap or two) just in case I decide to stay in my pleasantly isolated home for a few weeks rather than having to drive into town on the regular and risk bringing it home to people with weak immune systems.

Yeah, pretty much this. I'm lucky that I can shut the door and not leave my house at all, in the (unlikely) event things get bad here, without worrying about running out of stuff like groceries and toilet paper. As a hikikomori-tier loner, I could keep the door shut for weeks, if I absolutely had to. While I don't believe I'll have to, it's nice to know I could.

If the overreaction is to this degree, I honestly wonder how many people would react to shit like the monster storms we've had hit NY from time to time. Sandy was a fucking apocalyptic beast that knocked power out for weeks in the best areas and tore trees out of the ground like matchsticks. This board probably would have acted like it was Mad Max.

Meanwhile the state as a whole just got really drunk for days at a time (no one could go to work after all) and got on with it.

If a catastrophic earthquake wasn't already a very real possibility where I live, and if I hadn't already lived through the aftermath of two big quakes, I probably wouldn't keep as much food and basic supplies on hand as I do.

We do occasionally get severe weather where I live, which is when people panic-buy at last minute. Even if they don't pick the stores clean, going out and being around fear-crazed humans is never a good thing, and in the aftermath, driving or walking to the store might not be safe. At times like that, it feels pretty fucking great to say, "Yeah, I'm good; I have everything I need; bring it on."

As a side note, think about your toiletries. Buy a couple extra bulk packs of your favorite toilet paper. As a last resort (or budgetary measure) look into family rags. Believe me when I tell you, running out of shitter paper and having to use "alternative measures" is not fun.

I can attest to this. Wiping your ass with phone book pages because you've run out of toilet paper before the supermarkets and drugstores in your vicinity can re-open is...shit. And it's even worse when you're still doing it for days after the stores start re-opening because everybody else got there ahead of you and bought out all the toilet tissue (even the worst, scratchiest one-ply that still feels like silk compared to the phone book pages).

Yeah, this is why I hoard toilet tissue. My butthole still relives the trauma of that week or so following the Northridge quake over 25 years later, and convulsively tightens when I have less than two full Costco-sized packs of it on hand.

 

[Rudy Russo]

Interview With Someone Trapped in Wuhan - Episode #20

Today we talk about the Coronavirus, updates, why it happened, and news from the ground, all explained! Check out our new car channel! - http://youtube.com/w...

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Interesting stuff. They have a video from someone inside Wuhan that they vetted talking about what its like. They also give background on what China is like since they both lived there.

 

[Bob's Fuckass Head]

No longer content merely to put peepee in your coke, the Chinese are developing a new generation of jokes.

ID10T on Twitter: "Me Chinese. Me make Joke. City smog is body smoke.…

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On the topic of "how much prep is enough," I think I fall into the camp of just doing what you can without (1) ruining your finances and (2) saddling yourself with a bunch of gear you have no idea how to use.

I do think everyone should at least be making some special preparations, but IMO preparation is all about managing risk. If you incur a bunch of financial hardship or overreach into domains you know nothing about (like @Still Anonymous For This pointed out people tend to do with hunting), you're taking on more risk than you can manage. That would sorta defeat the whole point of prep.

Almost nobody in this blessed year 2020 is capable of reaching full disaster self-sufficiency without an assload of dedicated study or special training. Anybody who has taken PSY101 can wax poetic about the Zone of Proximal Development, but there's value in remembering it. How many of us are within easy reach of the "seasoned survivalist" skillset? Probably not many, definitely not me. I also can't depend on having a bone fide survivalist conveniently close at hand when clown world stops being the "balloon animal" kind of clown show and starts being the "we all float" kind.

For me, that means sticking to what I know and what I can learn without needing other prerequisite skills. I can get the alternator out of my car, but fuck if I know the first thing about using it for anything else once I've got it out. I won't be able to brag about my yard-built bicycle generator, but that's why I buy extra gas.

Definitely do some level of prep, like stocking up on your essentials and coordinating with the people around you if you have neighbors/family/friends who will be part of your planning. Even the least self-sufficient among us should be able to handle that. Do what you can on short-ish notice without overextending; trying to do/learn too much at once will leave your planning disjointed and ineffective.

Hurricane country is rich with the stories of people who made grand plans to turn their beach house into a fortress and ride it out, only to finish 10% of the plan and be forced to evacuate while the beach house got flattened.



Plan smart, and it's easier to stay organized. Stay organized, and it's much easier to avoid panic. Thanks to this thread, we've all seen what panic does.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Chinese people are complaining here that we are being racist towards them because of this virus outbreak.

"some people are barking at me on the street".

Don’t worry Jeremy Corbyn is on the case

 

[Shoggoth]

@ColtWalker1847 The problem is that things can break down way too easily today. Even disruptions in fuel supply for a short period can lead to long term food shortages, panic buying and rationing.
Case in point:

Fuel protests in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

BBC News | UK | Countdown to crisis: Eight days that shook Britain

Thank you Dr. Purr, very cool.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Don’t worry Jeremy Corbyn is on the case

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Mao would have had him beaten to death, Stalin would have sent him to the gulag and get a bullet to back of the head and king Henry VIII would drawn, quartered and beheaded.

 

[DidYouJustSayThat]

Round two of breathing treatment. They think I have asthma which is causing the bronchitis to flare up worse than normal. Would actually make sense bc I seem to be susceptible to getting bronchitis and pneumonia. Going home w a shiny new nebulizer. Still soaking w sweat, but here's to hope.
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Fuck that matches exactly. Probably powerleveling too hard, but there were schools around here closed to illness as well. My flu tests were negative but its def viral because i've only gotten worse since antibiotics. Hope everyone stays safe. There are some nasty bugs going around.

This is not Facebook FYI. So unless you're actually drowning from pus bestowed on you by Corona-Chan in your lungs or at the very least livestream from the pre-crematory, nobody cares.

So? How is this breakdown of delivery of goods and services going to happen? How to the lights turn off? Why is it necessary to eat your neighbors pets?

A portion of the population will be sick. The rest will go about their lives. This is what happened in 1918. Not some soap and vinegar shortage that required everyone to homebrew until the crisis passed.

Preparation is waaaaaaay to focused on end-times societal collapse and not practical shit. Like, I dunno, caring for a sick person but the ER is full and they should stay home. But we have a pile of vomlete MREs!

Nice strawman some people have built there for themselves. Just because your idea of prepping consists only of muh scary guns and ammo or an offhand comment of MREs does not mean shit. Basic necessities, such as securing water supply and backup water supply, means to purify water, foodstuffs, hunting and fishing supplies, medicine etc. are very high on the lists.

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

Maybe it's time to make a dedicated prepping thread in Deep Thoughts or something? It's not like this thread isn't bloated enough and people discussing shit like how to skin rabbits in the Coronavirus thread in Articles & Happenings is just massively off topic no matter how you want to spin it. If your goal is to inform people, a dedicated thread would work much better since as of now the information is scattered across hundreds of pages. Plus, there is clearly interest in the community so people could discuss the topic more freely in a dedicated thread.

 

[Old Man Mario]

From Jim's friend's twitter

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Well, I'll be damned. I agree with something they did.

Well, to a degree. Should he spread this and there is a fatality from it, off him.

Tbf just the normal flu could wipe out half of Kim Jong un's sickly famine-riddled population.
It's an official as well, so he could have done something to piss the bastard off in some way.

Yes. I think we all can see some of the poorer countries with lack of health care, hygiene, etc. Will suffer the worst.

I'm sure there will be a hashtag and a number to text donations to so everyone can say we did all we can.

#Bleach4the3rdworldnations

 

[Still Anonymous For This]

I just wanted to point out a few things to those users who may be reading this thread and living dreams of grandeur in the apocalypse of Corona-chan and how they're going to be self-sufficient. I have terrible news:

Unless you've been working towards this goal for years and you have a large family or group of friends to help you, you're fucked. Sorry. And even if you have all the cards in your favor, you're still fucked.

The best example of how truly fucked you are can be readily found in the Middle Ages. In Medieval England an average peasant household required 10 acres to sustain itself. And that was with livestock, enough land to allow fields to go fallow, fertilizer, and generations with the know-how to harvest these crops. You can get buy with less acreage by growing potatoes, but potatoes a full meal does not make and you would still require livestock or mechanized implements to harvest enough for a family.

There has been exceptionally few humans, save those who lived a neolithic lifestyle, who were "self sufficient." Even mountain men of the 1840s still came into town to trade furs for powder, shot, whiskey, and whores. The medieval peasant did not smith his own scyth or turn the pole that attached to it. The medieval peasant did not mine the iron that went into the fittings for the village ox's harness; he didn't own the fucking ox. The medieval peasant did not gather the lime for his house. Nor did he do a myriad of other trades that were common and necessary in the Middle Ages.

The world is more interconnected globally than it has ever been, but humanity has always been reliant on trades and crafts to get the things necessary for survival. In a situation where trade stopped in 1105 England, you can rest assured those peasants would be equally as poorly as if it stopped in 2020. The only difference is that the world was more plentiful in 1105 and there were far less people to feed.