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Diane Abbot, is that you? I make it more like 4 million.

The big thing is that we really don't know what those percentages will be in otherwise healthy western populations. The cruise ship experiment seems to hint that the 60% may be a reasonable estimate. Check back next month for what it tells us about the fatality rate I guess.

Personally, I'm not too worried about the direct death rate, but the potential second order disruption is concerning. Every single thing we need to exist is dependent on massively long supply chains. All arriving just in time, and all with a chinese component in there somewhere.
(some exaggeration here, but not much) . Even locally produced food needs fuel, fertiliser , tractor parts etc)

I'm assuming the death rate here will be lower than China because the effect the industrial pollution plays. I've talked to people who have been over there and it's so bad they where wheezing after walking 50 yards at a moderate pace after being back in the US for a week.

Claiming the kill rate will be remotely close to China's 6% is vastly underestimating both the effect of heavy pollution on the lungs and how shit their medical infastructure is.
 
Five gets you ten Xi didn't even write the thing. Just wants to give the impression he gives a fuck about his peons, when the world knows he doesn't.

Emperor Xi, the man with no clothes, master of the obvious, dufus with buttons. Can he make himself look any more like a fool? I'm afraid to watch.

More like "Anyone not working 110% on this is getting declared to be a Uyghur and chopped up for parts".
 
Now I do not like People's magazine as it is mostly ran by a bunch of fucking urinalists, however they did come up with an article to note.


The virus is in the money supply. AND of course it is being downplayed by the usual suspects. NOTE: this is important! It means that the virus on a rough surface is surviving for far more than a few days. It surviving for weeks.

It essentially validates everything I have mentioned about how serious this virus is in Chinaland. I can not stress even further on how to deal with this virus. And again it means you have to take your standard precautions for cold/flu season seriously. Keep yourself clean. Change of clothing everyday. Avoid large groups of people if you can but most of all AVOID large groups of Asians especially in Chinatowns.

Racism? How about a big fat FUCK YOU. It has been already been shown how these shit goblins are sub human they are and it does not matter what country they come from. If going to be ignorant carriers, I can be a fucking asshole with the base ball bat. That's how I see it. Avoid the problem. Keep yourself clean and if people are that worried about Virusgeddon in the US, well I can give you people a list on what I have on hand and what I am doing to avoid this problem.

I am not a prepper in a literal sense, But I am a survivor and learn my lessons from the hard times I went through and listening to those people giving sound advice.

And again I am not that too worried about the situation even though I have 3 ChinaTowns withing 20 miles from where I live. I know what I have to do and will survive the flu season. But it all comes down to cleanliness. The simple basic actions of how to keep clean is what works.
 
Jim is mainly focused on how bad it is in China, which is where it's catastrophically bad. The cruise ships are also showing us how fast it spreads in "ideal" conditions.

Will it be so bad here? There is a strong argument it won't be. The air pollution in China for starters is so bad that everyone's lungs start out fucked up.

If it could really last week's and weeks on hard surfaces that are not climate controlled the shipment of Chinese goods would have gotten us already. Our hospitals are not total shit. The Army already has 1000 emergency beds ready.

Still if this thing goes buck wild and infects 60% of the US population and kills around 2% of those infected that's 824,400 people dead because we just need that 20% off shitty consumer goods. That's nuts and most likely worse case scenario.

A more probable scenario is that this only seriously impacts China because it's a shit hole. It's already wrecking havoc on their economy. It's been speculated, and I'm too lazy to find links for you, that is China's economy stops growing for a relatively short period of time there will be a civil war/major unrest because a vast amount of people are not participating in the new economy.

Xi is already implementing Mao style social controls. Mao killed more people by far than Hitler or Stalin,



If Germany suddenly implemented "Hitler" style controls after erecting 1000s of his statues, it'd be a happening without question. Same if Russia did the same with Stalin. We're watching live as China does the same as they lose their poultry and pigs to epidemics and people are so sick they're keeling over in the streets.

Even if this thing never leaves China or has a significantly reduced kill rate here and deaths are under the half a million mark what do you think stage 2 in China is going to look like? They are already locking people into death camps with no food, water, or bathrooms. What do you think it really would look like without the massive censorship currently taking place?

It's the apocalypse over there.

Indeed. We should be grateful for the phone camera and the Internet. Otherwise the CCP would have close to a monopoly on information. As it is the CCP lost the propaganda war on this a long time ago.

And as it is, conditions seem to be turning medieval in the affected areas. Still cannot believe seeing farmers dumping food. Was there no way at all to get that food to the people somehow? No PLA trucks available? What the fuck? Beyond retarded.

This brings up a question. When will the number of second-order deaths in China exceed the number of first-order deaths? Have zero statistics on this, but gut feeling is the number of second-order deaths may not be real far behind the number of first-order deaths. If I am wrong please show me where I am wrong.


@Mrtrollenski - Why would the Chinese waste time disinfecting the notes? Just tote up the amount, in yuan, of "bad" notes and burn them. Am sure China can print all the banknotes they need, in the denominations needed. Disinfect the coins, run them through bleach. Not rocket science. Tell people handling money as part of their job to wear a mask and gloves.
 
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I'm assuming the death rate here will be lower than China because the effect the industrial pollution plays. I've talked to people who have been over there and it's so bad they where wheezing after walking 50 yards at a moderate pace after being back in the US for a week.

Claiming the kill rate will be remotely close to China's 6% is vastly underestimating both the effect of heavy pollution on the lungs and how shit their medical infastructure is.

Yeah, it's all just guesswork at the moment . ( I believe ,anyway). I rely on this thread as my news aggregator for WuFlu and I don't think any harder figures have been published.

For the maths, I was just going on your numbers : 330,000,000 * 0.6 * 0.02 . Pretty much 4 million, not 800K .


Nobody around me (UK city) seems to be remotely worried at the moment. Though all sources of masks have been sold out for a while, and now I notice that foaming anti-viral handwash seems to be very hard to get hold of. So someone's stocking up.
 
Zombi (the non-WiiU re-release of ZombiU) is pretty good.

Decent gameplay backed by some really good atmosphere and environment design.
Just to interject, if you have a Wii U I strongly urge you to get the Wii U version. You will take a surprisingly minor hit with the graphics and the gamepad mechanics are awesome.
 
Last year I was thinking people who thought Hong Kong could be free were exceptional, and now I am beginning to wonder if CCP will even survive this upcoming year. Its quite a sight to behold.

Indeed. Remember when the Berlin Wall came down, then in short order all the Communist regimes in Eastern Europe collapsed, almost without bloodshed, then the Soviet Union also collapsed, almost without bloodshed. An incredible time to be alive. Can tell you nobody here ever expected those things to happen except through WWIII.

Can it happen in China? Anything can happen, anywhere. One thing people tend to forget is that ANY government depends on the consent of the governed to function. Things in the USA work because the vast majority of us have bought into the system. Same in the Soviet Union, and the Eastern Bloc Communist countries, until people stopped buying into the system enough that there was nowhere for the government to go. Most of these governments slipped away quietly. Romania was an example, but that fuck Ceaucescu and his bitch of a wife deserved every bullet that hit them. Russia had some violence, confined to Moscow, and there was the attempted coup. But at the appointed time President of the USSR Gorbachev handed the nuclear football to Russian President Yeltsin, he walked away, and the red flag of the USSR was replaced with the tricolor of Russia.

My advice, based having made it to the seventh decade of life - be shocked, but not surprised, at ANYTHING that happens in China. And when things happen, they can happen very quickly indeed. To those who say the CCP will never go down, my reply is that's what we thought about the Warsaw Pact and the Soviet Union in February 1989.
 
Thank you Dr. Purr, very cool
Jim is mainly focused on how bad it is in China, which is where it's catastrophically bad. The cruise ships are also showing us how fast it spreads in "ideal" conditions.

Will it be so bad here? There is a strong argument it won't be. The air pollution in China for starters is so bad that everyone's lungs start out fucked up.

If it could really last week's and weeks on hard surfaces that are not climate controlled the shipment of Chinese goods would have gotten us already. Our hospitals are not total shit. The Army already has 1000 emergency beds ready.

Still if this thing goes buck wild and infects 60% of the US population and kills around 2% of those infected that's 824,400 people dead because we just need that 20% off shitty consumer goods. That's nuts and most likely worse case scenario.

A more probable scenario is that this only seriously impacts China because it's a shit hole. It's already wrecking havoc on their economy. It's been speculated, and I'm too lazy to find links for you, that is China's economy stops growing for a relatively short period of time there will be a civil war/major unrest because a vast amount of people are not participating in the new economy.

Xi is already implementing Mao style social controls. Mao killed more people by far than Hitler or Stalin,



If Germany suddenly implemented "Hitler" style controls after erecting 1000s of his statues, it'd be a happening without question. Same if Russia did the same with Stalin. We're watching live as China does the same as they lose their poultry and pigs to epidemics and people are so sick they're keeling over in the streets.

Even if this thing never leaves China or has a significantly reduced kill rate here and deaths are under the half a million mark what do you think stage 2 in China is going to look like? They are already locking people into death camps with no food, water, or bathrooms. What do you think it really would look like without the massive censorship currently taking place?

It's the apocalypse over there.
Check your math again bud. 60% of the US is over 200 million people, 2% of that is over 4 million dead, not 800 thousand.
 
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Last year I was thinking people who thought Hong Kong could be free were exceptional, and now I am beginning to wonder if CCP will even survive this upcoming year. Its quite a sight to behold.
God exists and he loves fucking with mankind for kicks. Never, ever discount something retarded from happening if it could amuse an omnipotent deity.
 
Nobody around me (UK city) seems to be remotely worried at the moment. Though all sources of masks have been sold out for a while, and now I notice that foaming anti-viral handwash seems to be very hard to get hold of. So someone's stocking up.

What's going on are dumb asses trying to make a fast buck on things.

All you really need is a Bar of soap and while going out some cheep gel alcohol based hand sanitizer. Anti-foaming is there to make you feel special. In simple terms, foam acting agents supposed to help with suspending dirt particles. Soap demagnetizes dirt leaving it in a neutral state. Soap with it suds floats off the surface so it can be rinsed off. In the case of foaming anti viral handwash it more or less does the same thing as using a gel in hand sanitizer as the foam sticks on the surface. Therefore removing the gel ingredient all together.

What I do as an example is that I would but a name brand chemical that has a foaming head which causes the sulfactants in the cleaning chemical to foam up as you spray it on a surface such as a tub. Since I'm at times such a cheap ass (or rather knowledgeable on certain things), I would then purchase a store brand product later. Because I would know that certain store brand product would have enough surfactants to foam up as good or almost as good as the more expensive item. That's one of the ways I put to practice. Always research the things you need. Do not take things for granted just because it's got a brand name on it. You can save money on the process.

A classic example of the stupidity of mankind. Modern day Faucets.. especially the no touchy, electro mechanical faucets. It supposed to reduced water contaminates/bacteria.

It does not and I don't have them at home.


I knew this shit 40 years ago about the basic methods of germ breeding. The less surface area the bacteria has to breed the better and easier it is to clean. Also Copper is extremely better than stainless steel when being used on a operating table. But it comes down to cost which is why people can get a secondary infection during an operation.
Silver is also good.

I had to get certified on certain procedures to wear that strange yellow suit with an external breathing apparatus, so I can work longer than 1/2 an hour at a time.

My last job before I told all of my bosses to kiss my old and hairy ass, was to clean up their fuck ups. I had to clean up a 5,000 sf building that was hit with MRSA. You do NOT take that shit lightly. You should seen the look on their faces when I told them I was leaving, Even though at that time I had a sizable amount of wealth (because I used my common sense to get ahead), I kept working just to keep busy. But when I felt they were going to throw me under the bus because of their mistakes? No.. no.. no.. no...

This whole verbiage written here is essentially to say... Use your common sense. Research everything if you are going to tackle a problem and/or idea. Find out why certain things work and why it does not. Use as much information out there and come of a conclusion. Discuss the conclusion and if you think it is right then go with it but be objective about things as well because you might be wrong with your conclusion and therefore continue to learn the right conclusion.

This is how you get ahead in life. This is how I got out some bad situations. Using the common sense that God gave you to use.

Otherwise you will be more or less ignorant as those Shit Goblins back in ChinaLand. And just look what is happening over there.

Corona-Chan is having one hell of an viral orgy.
 
Indeed. We should be grateful for the phone camera and the Internet. Otherwise the CCP would have close to a monopoly on information. As it is the CCP lost the propaganda war on this a long time ago.

And as it is, conditions seem to be turning medieval in the affected areas. Still cannot believe seeing farmers dumping food. Was there no way at all to get that food to the people somehow? No PLA trucks available? What the fuck? Beyond exceptional.

This brings up a question. When will the number of second-order deaths in China exceed the number of first-order deaths? Have zero statistics on this, but gut feeling is the number of second-order deaths may not be real far behind the number of first-order deaths. If I am wrong please show me where I am wrong.


@Mrtrollenski - Why would the Chinese waste time disinfecting the notes? Just tote up the amount, in yuan, of "bad" notes and burn them. Am sure China can print all the banknotes they need, in the denominations needed. Disinfect the coins, run them through bleach. Not rocket science. Tell people handling money as part of their job to wear a mask and gloves.

Second order deaths have to be piling on high right now as food supplies should start being a big issue in the major cities. And I think they're disinfecting the notes because their factories handling banknote printing are shut down right now.
 
The money supply is the only thing on which we have an advantage. Everyone pays with their phones, so cash use is rare.

From what I have read thought most people in China used cards or their phones to pay, since the country is so "advanced". Apparently not.

If the CCP is anything like most countries, their facilities for printing/coining money would be pretty secure. But this being China, I could well be wrong. One option is to have their banknotes quietly printed in Japan and flown over. This thing about disinfecting paper money doesn't give me a warm fuzzy at all.
 
Second order deaths have to be piling on high right now as food supplies should start being a big issue in the major cities. And I think they're disinfecting the notes because their factories handling banknote printing are shut down right now.

They won't even let a lot of people buy certain things anyway right? The people there are in a prison of a country! Also, is there some evidence that people who are from that part of the world have more ACE2 receptors than western people?
 
From what I have read thought most people in China used cards or their phones to pay, since the country is so "advanced". Apparently not.

If the CCP is anything like most countries, their facilities for printing/coining money would be pretty secure. But this being China, I could well be wrong. One option is to have their banknotes quietly printed in Japan and flown over. This thing about disinfecting paper money doesn't give me a warm fuzzy at all.

I imagine it's the concern that places that would use cash would be ones where there's no debit system, ie. places like wet markets or other open markets where many of the vendors can change around and don't have a set storefront constantly like major chains. Also makes it easier to pocket more of what you've made. Which would obviously be the breeding ground of this particular nasty, so it makes sense as an idea. Although this is more of a too little too late I think.

As a Canadian I can theoretically wash all of my currency myself. Really bringing a whole new definition to money laundering . 🤔
 
Used to work in retail environment in the states and it was not uncommon to receive wet bills (sweat) from especially kids and sometimes adults. Granted that was usually followed by liberal use of the store hand sanitizer brand. I cant imagine China is different.
 
The money supply is the only thing on which we have an advantage. Everyone pays with their phones, so cash use is rare.
Lets get this clear. China has perhaps 2 to 300 million people that we would consider Lower middle class here in the states and go upwards with that. The rest of Chinaland of over 1.1 billion is dirt ass poor. So with these people it is all about money and bartering.
Also there is also a certain amount of distrust of having their government going full on retard on digital money. So yea there are people paying things over their phone which is being watched by their government.

Remember people disappear without reason in ChinaLand. You have already seen examples of this.

China also has a serious problem with the so called wealthier people/ millionaires as they insulate their money and get it the hell out of their country.

Generally speaking for now the main way is through Macao. There is a whole entire system to get money out of the country.
You have to laugh at certain stars, Like Jacky Chan who sucks off Whinne the Poo from time to time and says how wonderful it is to be in China land.

And yet the fucking lying hypocrite made his money where?? Send his kids to college where?? Sure as hell ain't in Chinaland that is for sure. A great many of the wealthy shit monkeys send their kids abroad to get a GOOD education than what is provided in ChinaLand.

Remember China LIES about everything to make themselves important. They are nothing but a shit stain on the Human Race.
Hell right now they are making the Hindi Looking damn good... all things equal that is. Let the businesses head over to India instead of China and lets see just how powerful the paper tiger really is.
 
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