Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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FYI, Sweden has absolutely no healthcare to combat a full pandemic. There are less than three hundred ICU spots in Sweden (270 or so if I remember correctly) and we barely have antibiotics any longer due to issues with both suppliers and finances, at least not to combat a full-blown pandemic. Basically, if shit hits the fan, all of southern Sweden is going down.

Not counting Commie china, Corona-chan is doing her dance in lol countries: France, Germany, UK, Canada, now Sweden.

This virus was sent by fucking Kek. Strong vikings will survive, while soyboy Swedes will lose their lives to the plague.
 
Six people are being tested in Sweden now because they've recently been in China and "there might have been a certain gathering last weekend" (No idea what this refers to, they're being vague on purpose most likely).

(Swedish) https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/tre-misstankta-coronafall-i-stockholm/

They are downplaying this quite a bit. All six are showing clear signs of respiratory infection and it's therefore very possible that they have raw dogged Corona-sama. Despite that, Swedish media is now going "Not a big deal, no reason to worry", this despite the fact that they said three suspected cases existed, just to change that to six a few hours later.

FYI, Sweden has absolutely no healthcare to combat a full pandemic. There are less than three hundred ICU spots in Sweden (270 or so if I remember correctly) and we barely have antibiotics any longer due to issues with both suppliers and finances, at least not to combat a full-blown pandemic. Basically, if shit hits the fan, all of southern Sweden is going down.


First off, antibiotics are useless against viruses anyway, so not a big deal. Secondly, it's quite probable that the corona-virus has landed already to everywhere around Europe, and we have just not noticed it as the symptoms are quite mild for most cases. Considering that the virus is very contagious and it has been running around in China for months before any guarantines were put in place, there is no way it wouldn't have already made its way to all European capitals. The thing is, nothing seems to be happening, so most likely case is that the virus just doesn't hit that hard in majority of cases.
 
We do need antibiotics because secondary infections are a killer with pneumonia. You can get a viral infection then a secondary bacterial infection and that can kill you. The 1918 flu killed a lot of people this way. Some people got overwhelmed by the initial viral hit but an awful lot also had bacterial pneumonia as well.
Stock up your stugas...
 

Interesting study on the incubation period, more of a data gathering effort than a study honestly, but interesting nonetheless.

Here is the juicy part for people who can’t read and need to be spoonfed.
The present work found significant difference in the distribution of the incubation period among
travelers to Hubei and non-traveler. The difference was due to both the location and variability,
as indicated by the means of 1.8 and 6.9 days and the variances of 0.7 and 16.7 in the Weibull
model. Such difference might be due to the difference in infectious dose since travelers to Hubei
might be exposed to different sources of infection multiple times during their stay in Hubei. In
contrast, patients with no travel history to Hubei were temporarily exposed to their infected
relatives, friends or colleagues with mild or even no symptoms.
It is possible that the incubation period of non-travelers was highly volatile, as suggested by the
higher variance in the gamma model that provided slightly poorer fit. This could potentially pose
a threat to the effectiveness of the existing preventive measures. The duration of quarantine
period must be considered with caution.
As a comparison, previous studies on the incubation period for COVID-19 are shown in Table 3.
The 95th percentiles reported in previous studies varied between 10.3 and 13.3 days, consistent
with the current practice of quarantine period of 2 weeks. However, the present study found that the 95th percentile of non-travelers could be 14.5 days and up to 17.5 days under 95% level of
confidence. Coupled with the high variability of the incubation period, it is suggested that the
duration of the quarantine period of 3 weeks is deemed more suitable.

If this interests you I highly recommend check out the PDF and it’s graphs if you wanna look a little more into it and make your own speculations.
 
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While taking the morning walk thought about some things.

Without further ado, here are Uncle Joe's "What The Fucks".

1. If Xi and his sycophants knew of the existence of WuFlu as early as December, why were there apparently no efforts made to bring in supplies and alert at least the top people in ALL provinces as to what could happen? Any national/provincial/state government worth the name has a department whose job it is to plan for and react to contingencies such as the WuFlu. Either Beijing had no plan or Xi kept the information close hold until it was impossible to deny. What the fuck?

2. Last evening saw some "workers" being "disinfected". I saw a grand total of two people going through an outdoor shower apparatus, one male, one female, one at a time. They were dressed in street clothes, including jackets/coats. Their outer clothing got soaked with the "disinfecting" solution. Probably took several gallons for each person. Now, how will this apparatus disinfect hundreds or even scores of people coming through at one time, such as shift change? How will this work, say, in Beijing, let alone Manchuria, this time of year? I can assure you winter in Northeast Asia is cold and often windy as hell. Where will the powers be get all the "disinfectant"? Gonna need lots and lots, every day, maybe all day long. The people being "disinfected" were wearing their coats/jackets. Do you seriously think these people will work all day long wearing those soaked outer garments? The clothes under the coats/jackets weren't touched. What the fuck?

3. Many Chinese people live in or near poverty. Those who are locked down can't go to work and earn money. But they need money to buy the food/supplies they are allowed out to get. What happens to those families who run out of money? What the fuck?

4. Xi wants Chinese factories to get back to work. I figure it takes 4-6 weeks for an item produced in a Chinese factory to end up on a store shelf in the USA. But how do we know there is no virus in or on the item? You can disinfect hard/ impermeable things like plastic items, pots and pans, plates, and drinking glasses with bleach. But you cannot disinfect shoes or clothes with bleach without fucking them right up. Imagine you could wipe down the outside surfaces of electronics and exposed surfaces of appliances. But would YOU take the word of a Chinese producer that their products are "certified virus-free"? Really? Are you retarded? Expect people to be very careful which, if any, newly-produced Chinese-made products they buy. This also goes for food products from China. Take a look at a bag of frozen tilapia/salmon/other fish. Look at the origin. Lots of frozen fish coming from China. Have no idea if freezing will kill virus, but once again how can we trust a Chinese producer to say their product is virus-free. Would think canned goods should be safe due to cooking during processing, but who can be sure now? What the fuck?

If anyone has any factual evidence to answer any of these questions, or dispel the concerns expressed, please do so. If one person is writing such things, you can bet a number of others are thinking them and just haven't written them down.
 
While taking the morning walk thought about some things.

Without further ado, here are Uncle Joe's "What The Fucks".

1. If Xi and his sycophants knew of the existence of WuFlu as early as December, why were there apparently no efforts made to bring in supplies and alert at least the top people in ALL provinces as to what could happen? Any national/provincial/state government worth the name has a department whose job it is to plan for and react to contingencies such as the WuFlu. Either Beijing had no plan or Xi kept the information close hold until it was impossible to deny. What the fuck?

2. Last evening saw some "workers" being "disinfected". I saw a grand total of two people going through an outdoor shower apparatus, one male, one female, one at a time. They were dressed in street clothes, including jackets/coats. Their outer clothing got soaked with the "disinfecting" solution. Probably took several gallons for each person. Now, how will this apparatus disinfect hundreds or even scores of people coming through at one time, such as shift change? How will this work, say, in Beijing, let alone Manchuria, this time of year? I can assure you winter in Northeast Asia is cold and often windy as hell. Where will the powers be get all the "disinfectant"? Gonna need lots and lots, every day, maybe all day long. The people being "disinfected" were wearing their coats/jackets. Do you seriously think these people will work all day long wearing those soaked outer garments? The clothes under the coats/jackets weren't touched. What the fuck?

3. Many Chinese people live in or near poverty. Those who are locked down can't go to work and earn money. But they need money to buy the food/supplies they are allowed out to get. What happens to those families who run out of money? What the fuck?

4. Xi wants Chinese factories to get back to work. I figure it takes 4-6 weeks for an item produced in a Chinese factory to end up on a store shelf in the USA. But how do we know there is no virus in or on the item? You can disinfect hard/ impermeable things like plastic items, pots and pans, plates, and drinking glasses with bleach. But you cannot disinfect shoes or clothes with bleach without fucking them right up. Imagine you could wipe down the outside surfaces of electronics and exposed surfaces of appliances. But would YOU take the word of a Chinese producer that their products are "certified virus-free"? Really? Are you exceptional? Expect people to be very careful which, if any, newly-produced Chinese-made products they buy. This also goes for food products from China. Take a look at a bag of frozen tilapia/salmon/other fish. Look at the origin. Lots of frozen fish coming from China. Have no idea if freezing will kill virus, but once again how can we trust a Chinese producer to say their product is virus-free. Would think canned goods should be safe due to cooking during processing, but who can be sure now? What the fuck?

If anyone has any factual evidence to answer any of these questions, or dispel the concerns expressed, please do so. If one person is writing such things, you can bet a number of others are thinking them and just haven't written them down.
We shouldn't be buying any edibles from China after the melamine adulterant scandal. Some of the local supermarkets sell garlic from China and I absolutely refuse to buy it, the US produces tons of the stuff-Gilroy CA has had a Garlic Festival for ages. How do I know how and where that garlic was grown, could be in a toxic waste dump for all I know.

If it comes from Cathay, throw it away.
 
We shouldn't be buying any edibles from China after the melamine adulterant scandal. Some of the local supermarkets sell garlic from China and I absolutely refuse to buy it, the US produces tons of the stuff-Gilroy CA has had a Garlic Festival for ages. How do I know how and where that garlic was grown, could be in a toxic waste dump for all I know.

If it comes from Cathay, throw it away.

Good point re Gilroy. While they grow a lot of garlic in Gilroy, (PL - not far from where I live) have also seen garlic in local stores that came from China.

Your saying "If it comes from Cathay, throw it away" is very well taken. Believe many people will do that, at least to the greatest extent possible. And they will either avoid Chinese-made products, buy products made somewhere else, or not buy the product at all. Suggest Chinese sales overall in the USA and maybe other countries will measurably decline, at least until this virus has run its' course.
 
Good point re Gilroy. While they grow a lot of garlic in Gilroy, (PL - not far from where I live) have also seen garlic in local stores that came from China.

Your saying "If it comes from Cathay, throw it away" is very well taken. Believe many people will do that, at least to the greatest extent possible. And they will either avoid Chinese-made products, buy products made somewhere else, or not buy the product at all. Suggest Chinese sales overall in the USA and maybe other countries will measurably decline, at least until this virus has run its' course.
Selling things like baby formula from Australia, the US and Europe to the Chinese is a big business and tells you that even the Chinese don't trust the stuff made in China. We shouldn't either.
 
A chilean student who possibly has the Wu Flu came back from China today (though with little to no protection), and will be on quarantine in her house for the next 14 days. The article is in spanish:

Archive: http://archive.li/RzMLS


Meanwhile today Russia has banned all Chinese from entering Russia. "Just a flu" intensifies.

Don't forget to include some article, nigga.

Archive: http://archive.li/6jwJd


EDIT: I've forgot to mention that Rosa Oyarce (A politician from the Regional Health Ministry Secretariats (SEREMI de Salud, in Chile) didn't wear the mask correctly.

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Honestly im kinda interested to see the geopolitical ramifications of it becoming officially known and recognised that this shit was an accidentally leaked bioweapon

Like normally I would expect it to be brushed under the carpet due to china's position as global sweatshop and product spammer, but given how much damage this shit looks to be doing to their economy and how angry the population looks to be getting, I wonder whether there would be something resembling actual sanctions being placed should burgerland and friends/putin and the potato posse decide to take advantage of this shit and try to spread their factory and I-cant-believe-its-not-slavery assets to more complicit third world nations?
 
We shouldn't be buying any edibles from China after the melamine adulterant scandal. Some of the local supermarkets sell garlic from China and I absolutely refuse to buy it, the US produces tons of the stuff-Gilroy CA has had a Garlic Festival for ages. How do I know how and where that garlic was grown, could be in a toxic waste dump for all I know.

If it comes from Cathay, throw it away.
This applies to pet food, as well, given the massive pet food recalls in 2007 after Chinese-sourced ingredients contaminated with melamine led to the deaths of thousands of cats and dogs in the US and elsewhere from kidney failure. That was when I stopped buying any foodstuffs made in China, both for myself and my animals.

This one's rather tricky, however, because the affected foods were manufactured in the US and Canada, but they used ingredients such as wheat gluten and rice protein that came from China. While it's possible that pet food manufacturers are now more diligent about testing Chinese ingredients for contamination, that's not something I'd want to count on. So reading pet food labels is important if you're trying to reduce the risks.

I can't speak about dog food, because I don't have dogs, but my impression is that more shitty stuff ends up in both wet and dry dog food because dogs are omnivores and can subsist on a lot of highly-refined vegetable proteins in a way that cats, as obligate carnivores, cannot. But that doesn't stop the pet food industry from selling kibble made for cats that includes a lot of plant-derived ingredients (especially from corn and rice) that cats have absolutely no business eating. There are also a lot of wet food varieties that are in "gravy," which is usually composed of wheat gluten--and it was wheat gluten that was a primary source of melamine poisoning in 2007.

So my recommendation with cats is to get them off kibble and onto an all-wet diet that contains as little in the way of plant-derived ingredients as possible, especially those that are highly refined. Doing that not only reduces the risk of their getting poisoned by contaminated Chinese ingredients, but also drastically reduces cats' overall risk of developing kidney disease and/or diabetes as they age.
 
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