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As a society we still judge men who don’t have sex as failures
BY James Bloodworth



In the past year or so the word ‘Incel’ has become a ubiquitous online insult. Short for Involuntary Celibate, it was popularised by men who appropriated the label for themselves. The Incel community is overwhelmingly male (and growing) and to be an Incel (technically at least) is to have not had sex for six months or more.


As so the word has gradually crept into the vocabulary of every internet troll — partly I suspect because we still judge people by how much sex they have, or not in this case. We still view men who don’t have sex as failures in some way.


Incels are therefore an easy target. For men, calling someone an Incel implies something positive — a certain sexual abundance — about one’s own existence. For women it has begun to function as a putdown that ruthlessly dismisses unworthy suitors while simultaneously expelling them from the community of the good as misogynistic and creepy.


In the past decade there has been a three-fold increase in the number of men who have not had sex in the past year. In 2018 the Southern Poverty Law Centre added Incels to their ‘Hate Map’, describing them as “part of the online male supremacist eco-system”. Countless articles have appeared in the media equating inceldom with “toxic masculinity”, misogyny and violence. Most begin from the assumption that Incel ideology, so far as it exists, is a product of men’s domination over women. It is a backlash against feminism; the whingeing of men who have been taught by the tyrannical patriarchy to believe they are entitled to ownership of women’s bodies.


There is invariably some truth to this. The rise of the online ‘Manosphere’ is a reassertion by men of traditional gender roles from which they benefitted immensely. The most notorious Incels, who have gone on murderous rampages, have indeed been narcissistic and entitled men. Elliot Rodger was a 22-year-old Incel who murdered seven people in Isla Vista, California, in 2014. Rodger epitomised entitled masculinity. Shortly before Rodger carried about the massacre, Dale Launer, a friend of Rodger’s father, gave the boy some not terrible advice for building relationships with women on his college campus. Rodger’s response is revealing. As Launer recounted to the BBC:

“As I told him, ‘When you see a woman next time you’re on campus and you like her hair or sunglasses, just pay her a compliment.’ I told him, ‘It’s a freebie, something in passing, you’re not trying to make conversation. Keep walking, don’t make any long eye contact, just give the free compliment.’ The idea being you might make a friend if you make someone feel good.


“I said to Elliot, ‘In the next few weeks — if you see them they’ll likely give you a smile — and you can smile back and eventually turn this into chit-chat.’


“I got in touch with him a few weeks later and asked if he did it. He said ‘no’. And when asked why not, he said, ‘Why do I have to compliment them? Why don’t they compliment me?’” [emphasis mine]

Rodger felt superior to others and referred to a “Day of Retribution” when he would kill those he was envious of — ‘Chads’, men who sleep with lots of women, and ‘Staceys’, feminine and attractive — as well as those who did not see the value he believed he possessed. He probably had a narcissistic personality disorder.


However Rodger was an outlier. Most Incels are non-violent and use the forums they frequent as a support group, a place to vent — often toxically — against a society which they feel has rejected them (at least when it comes to intimacy). It is this which inceldom is largely concerned with: intimacy rather than sex. Most have given up on dating entirely. Some embrace an ideology they call the Black Pill — a spin-off the red and blue pills from The Matrix — which contains misogynistic tenets but adherence to which is not a requirement to be an Incel. The Blue Pill is the existing state of blissful ignorance; the Red Pill seeks to understand the system and manipulate it to its advantage; those who take the Black Pill accept the Red Pill’s tenets about women and society but resign themselves to a life of frustration and alienation.

Black pill ideology is often misogynistic and occasionally deadly. According to the Black Pill women are shallow and driven entirely by hypergamy — that’s to say the desire to hook up with a man of superior status to themselves whether in terms of looks, money or power. As with several other Black Pill assumptions there is an element of truth to this: women do tend to date “up”. However the Black Pill takes this concept to its deterministic absolute: on the forums Incels obsess over height and looks as if nobody who isn’t 6ft 4in with a six pack ever gets a date.


This is undoubtedly a convenient rationalisation for some. It’s easier to sit at home on the internet and lament the callousness and superficiality of wider society than it is to begin the long and arduous process required to become a more attractive man.


But the dating scene of 2020 is also radically different to the dating scene of twenty years ago, and this is a factor behind the growing number of Incels. The decline of traditional marriage has played a part. In the past there was greater societal pressure on women to ‘settle’ with men who they may not have been in love with or even sexually attracted to. The concept of arranged marriage, still popular in eastern cultures, where people pair up on the basis of suitability, is significantly different to our modern, Hollywood-style conception of idealised pairing on the basis of sexual attraction and finding ‘The One’.


Women are the sexual selectors on modern dating apps, where men are abundant and therefore of lower sexual market value (SMV). A friend and I ran an experiment on Tinder last year where we set up a profile purporting to be an attractive woman. In less than 24-hours the profile ran up over 2,000 matches. Tinder and similar apps are effective for the stereotypically good looking male. But the majority of men make do with few matches, often with women they are not attracted to. A recent study of Tinder found that “the bottom 80% of men (in terms of attractiveness) are competing for the bottom 22% of women and the top 78% of women are competing for the top 20% of men”.


As I recently noted for UnHerd, our promiscuous culture bends toward the Pareto principle, also known as the 80/20 rule whereby 20% of men date 80% of women. I wrote: “Women compete over the most desirable men, while the rest are increasingly turning towards porn and — before long, no doubt — sex robots.”


The sexual revolution and the gradual erosion of the pressure to settle down (what Jordan Peterson has referred to as “socially enforced monogamy”) has encouraged women (quite reasonably) to seek out the best partners for themselves. Some men refuse to reconcile themselves to this new reality. Others struggle in a digital dating environment where superficial qualities are prized to an extent that was not true in the past. In the world of online dating, which is how 40% of couples in the United States meet, looks, height and social status are usually pre-requisites for matching with someone at all.


Offline, many Incels lack the basic social skills required to navigate relations with the opposite sex. According to an internal poll carried out on the website Incels.co, 26% of users of the forum said they had some form of autism. Flirting, which requires an innate understanding of nuanced sub-communications and unspoken sexual tension, does not come naturally to these men.


Moreover, mainstream dating advice for men is useless at the best of times and consists largely of feel-good bromides (often written by women) extolling men to ‘just be yourself’ or to let ‘fate’ take care of it. Real-life dating coaching, which takes clients out into bars and clubs in order to learn how to interact with women in a non-platonic way, is laughed at by the mainstream and dominated by charlatans calling themselves ‘pickup artists’.


Inceldom touches a nerve in wider society, which I suspect is why we have few conversations about it. All of us treat people differently on the basis of their physical appearance, however altruistic we may believe ourselves to be. As a recent article in Vice, which drew on a comprehensive body of research, noted: “Attractive people are generally assumed to be more intelligent, more trustworthy, and have better social skills.”


We shy away from talking honestly about this because to do so would be to acknowledge that there are some areas where true ‘equality’ — the ideal we strive for in most areas of political life — is unattainable when it comes to hooking up. The topic of sex and dating is already a minefield where egos swim amidst the unspoken and adversarial mating strategies deployed by men and women. There is very little altruism and equality when it comes to finding a mate. The sexual act is discriminatory by definition.


And it is leaving increasing numbers of men on the scrapheap. Some identify ideologically as Incels out of frustration. Some out of entitlement. Many seek to blame women’s supposedly unrealistic standards for their inability to form an intimate relationship. For others the situation is still more complex.


Incels arguably have something in common with the Japanese hikikomori, defined by Japan’s Health, Labour and Welfare Ministry as those who have “remained isolated at home for at least six consecutive months without going to school or work, and rarely interact with people from outside their immediate family”. Japan has around one million hikikomori.


Inceldom fits within a broader trend towards alienation and reclusive behaviour in modern societies, fostered by technology, changing dating preferences and — among other things — easy access to pornography. We don’t have our own hikikomori problem in the west just yet, but Incels are a growing phenomenon that society would do well to better understand — even if that is less satisfying than throwing the word around as an online insult.
 
You CAN'T tell a girl that her hair looks nice today, because she could decide it's sexual harassment and ruin your life over it. It's not LIKELY, because most people aren't batshit insane, but how can you tell the difference before getting to know them? Why take the chance? Especially if you're an autist or have general social struggles.
Not so much as sexual harrassment but bitches can really put these dudes down and kill any self-confidence they had. Like it really isn't hard to give a smile and thanks when they compliment you. You can just think of them as the tards you see in public. Girls treat them like puppies.
 
Not so much as sexual harrassment but bitches can really put these dudes down and kill any self-confidence they had. Like it really isn't hard to give a smile and thanks when they compliment you. You can just think of them as the tards you see in public. Girls treat them like puppies.

This sounds like faggot mentality. Who gives a fuck if girl compliments you. Girl that has crush on you will never reveal their hands fully until shit is aligned properly for them. If you move in too early you get fucked because you are just a creep.

Keep building value for yourself and justify your being. If she likes it, she will make it known for you and you make the move afterwards.
 
If you know the girl likes you or understand how signals are played you NEVER have to complement the girl on any of her looks.

I RARELY say anything positive but just mention different things. As long as you notice them it is good enough.

Honestly you just need to acknowledge them and carry on from there slowly. It's fucking magical how faggot virgins never seem to understand this.

But then again there are Chad predators who say stupid shit and ruin it for everyone.
I mean, that's kind of my point. Some of these guys are legitimate autists doing the best they can and getting shat on in return. That doesn't excuse going full Incel, of course. But when you feel like you're doing everything right and getting punished for it, it's somewhat understandable that you'd start to develop some negativity.
 
The Anti-Chad
  • A creature born with every available way to get women: looks, wealth, status. However, his charisma is so detestable, his personality so horrific, he is a veritable black hole. He sucks the charisma of other beings and rips it to pieces. He is so detestable, so fucking horrible, that even associating with such a creature risks reversing your own virginity. Pure scum, narcissistic and entitled even beyond the True Incel. Meeting and conversing with one is like staring into the void. They are everything wrong with the modern world. They expect sex from everyone they meet, they expect you, yourself, to bow to them in awe. Their idiocy and lack of reality can bend time and space itself. Though they have every conceivable advantage, they are a horror beyond humanity that we instinctively run from them. Even in today's modern society, they stand out as the worst the world has to offer. Even women, who theoretically should flock to these attributes, flee, because of how primal this creature's awfulness is. There is no correcting this personality, and no fixing the sheer amount of ugliness this person possesses. Here you have your date rapists, rapists and others, because they are so horrific, they can't get anything but through sheer force. They are the dregs of humanity.

That describes Ted Bundy, doesn't it?
 
I mean, that's kind of my point. Some of these guys are legitimate autists doing the best they can and getting shat on in return. That doesn't excuse going full Incel, of course. But when you feel like you're doing everything right and getting punished for it, it's somewhat understandable that you'd start to develop some negativity.
I understand this point fully. I fucked up big when I started asking girls out and believed in love or some stupid shit like that. It's more than that. Love doesn't overcome everything. People go into relationships because of real pragmatic and also yes stupid bullshit reasons. Really you can't really pin point it unless you keep trying.

It comes down STRONG father figures And masculine teachings about self respect. If you can conquer that, you can determine how you and your woman will interact each other.
 
How about we just stick with people who define themselves as incels? People get tagged with the insult de jour all the time, that doesn't mean anything. I'm pretty sure everyone here is talking about self-identified involuntarily celibate people.
Who is going to say "I'm an Incel"? That is downright pathetic and 99% of the time it is used as an insult to dodge a legitimate argument.
If it were that simple, as people identifying themselves as Incels. Then sure, I would agree that they have some very big personal and mental health issues.
 
This sounds like faggot mentality. Who gives a fuck if girl compliments you. Girl that has crush on you will never reveal their hands fully until shit is aligned properly for them. If you move in too early you get fucked because you are just a creep.

Keep building value for yourself and justify your being. If she likes it, she will make it known for you and you make the move afterwards.
I'm not even talking in a romantic way. These dudes are pretty autistic who try to be genuinely nice and women can be pretty stone faced cunts. Its after these guys become "nice guys" and then into mega spergs
 
I was once at a club with a few of the lads I know. We would always take the piss out of one of the lads by calling him a virgin which he always denied but he was a total virgin and everyone knew it. He was a nice guy, really funny, not unattractive at all, sort of average looking really but he never approached women at all. We talked him into talking to this one girl that he was making eyes at all night and so he walks up over to the girl and says all of three words to her before she spits right in his eye right in front of a crowd of like 60 people.

We all laughed at him for hours and hours on end. Fucking incel lmao.
 
Who is going to say "I'm an Incel"? That is downright pathetic and 99% of the time it is used as an insult to dodge a legitimate argument.
If it were that simple, as people identifying themselves as Incels. Then sure, I would agree that they have some very big personal and mental health issues.

Are you new to this internet thing? Incels aren't a new phenomenon and they gained prominence because people were self-identifying as incels.
 
Honest to God. Why dont these guys try going gay? If they are already in a void-like drought of human sexual connection, what's the harm? I get the fact that these guys would spout off something alt-righty like: "Degenerate homos are the symptom of a dying society!" Or some shit like that but honestly, a guy looking like this would be uh, EXTREMELY popular at his local gay club, to say the least. Really, I suppose these dudes just dont want to take a long look at themselves and see if their own sexual hang ups might be what's holding them back.

I doubt a ton of these guys are just in the closet but I'd bet money it's more common among the incel ranks than they would admit.

Just too damn bad. Some of these guys might actually find some happiness down that path.
 
Are incels and the MGTOW community interchangeable? I assume not since MGTOWs are largely taking a modern monks vow of celibacy, just with more beer and shitposting.
No, it's in the name. Involuntary celibacy. The other guys mostly sound like a bunch of street shitters who got turned down by women. They decided giving up was a better option, because they are fags. It's an acceleration mindset because if men remove themselves from society even more, the the great pussification will ultimately consume the world. The Karens need dick distractions or else they will ruin everything.
 
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In my very brief dive into the world of 'incels', I have categorized them like so.
  • Snake Eyes
    • The true losers of the genetic lottery. The so-called genetic dead end. These people are the ones you feel truly sorry for. Either their looks, social skills, intelligence and charisma has been so thoroughly destroyed by the roll of fate, they are helplessly fucked. While in the past they could get factory jobs or menial labor to get a woman, this is no longer possible. These are the ones where pretty much everything is out of their control and they cannot function. This typically goes beyond women and into the social sphere, relating to education, employment and training. These are the ones that really need the most help, but probably won't get it because they're lumped into the worst, which come after the next.
  • The Damaged
    • For whatever reasons, their looks might be fine, but emotional damage has made it difficult to interact socially. This might be a form of learned helplessness where they're extremely discouraged and basically given up hope. Maybe they're shooting too high, maybe their self esteem has been eviscerated. Maybe they've had bad experiences with women. Maybe their upbringing destroyed it for them. They can function socially, somewhat, but still experience difficulty with the opposite sex and even in normal social situations. Maybe they're a ball of mental illnesses. Unlike the Snake Eyes, they're not totally hopeless. With some therapy, meds, some make-over skills, they might be able to fix themselves enough. This might be difficult since these types tend to not have the income to do so.
The article is basically mentioning the above two. However, the below two, are the despicable, the wretched, the lol-cows.
  • The Prototypical Incel
    • Ugly, thoroughly, on the inside and the outside. A fully repugnant human being on every level, someone you'd want to avoid. Arrogant, entitled and absolutely refuses to change on any sort of level. The creature with bad skin and uses patchouli oil to mask the stench of his fetid, rotting form. A void of charisma that can only truly interact with his own kind and cannot adapt to any sort of situation because he absolutely refuses to bend. Sort of a human gremlin, possessing an indomitable will of stupidity he can see past his own disgusting form in something like a twisted thing of body dysmorphia. His looks and his ability to get laid are the only things that define him. He typically has no skills, intelligence or personality. Though there is nothing stopping him from developing one, he outright refuses because he believes he is perfectly fine, it is the world that is wrong. He divides the world into black and white and thoroughly fails to grasp stages of grey. These are easily understood. Here you get your ones whining about legalizing rape, being entitled. They are most likely to claim 'Snake Eyes' or 'Damaged' status, even if they clearly aren't. They will use any and all excuses to prevent themselves from being better. They will only seek the worst forms of education, employment and such, because they are lazy or believe anything else is 'beneath' them. They will make no effort to advance their appearance or social skills, even among their peers. They are arrogant and view themselves as 'nice' people who the world has done wrong. They are in no way 'nice' and perhaps some of the most meanest, arrogant people around. Ugly on the inside as well as the outside.
I've saved the worst for last. The Incels Ultimate Form. The true horror.
  • The Anti-Chad
    • A creature born with every available way to get women: looks, wealth, status. However, his charisma is so detestable, his personality so horrific, he is a veritable black hole. He sucks the charisma of other beings and rips it to pieces. He is so detestable, so fucking horrible, that even associating with such a creature risks reversing your own virginity. Pure scum, narcissistic and entitled even beyond the True Incel. Meeting and conversing with one is like staring into the void. They are everything wrong with the modern world. They expect sex from everyone they meet, they expect you, yourself, to bow to them in awe. Their idiocy and lack of reality can bend time and space itself. Though they have every conceivable advantage, they are a horror beyond humanity that we instinctively run from them. Even in today's modern society, they stand out as the worst the world has to offer. Even women, who theoretically should flock to these attributes, flee, because of how primal this creature's awfulness is. There is no correcting this personality, and no fixing the sheer amount of ugliness this person possesses. Here you have your date rapists, rapists and others, because they are so horrific, they can't get anything but through sheer force. They are the dregs of humanity.

I'll add a caveat for the truly unfortunate snake eyes: it's truly hard to be completely hopeless. A boy born without any limbs can grow up into this:

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Now, he's somewhat famous as a Christian preacher, and he's not that bad looking beyond his deformities, but he had to work for those positive qualities. I would bet my left kidney that 95% of incels with genuine bad luck still had it better than this guy.

So, yes, some people are born with the cards stacked against them. It's possible to help most, if not, all of them, with enough care and persistence. You'd have to be as autistic and unrepentant as Chris Chan to be a lost cause, and even then... Chris Chan has his obsessive stalkers.
 
How about we just stick with people who define themselves as incels? People get tagged with the insult de jour all the time, that doesn't mean anything. I'm pretty sure everyone here is talking about self-identified involuntarily celibate people.
I agree with this. And those tend to be the people with issues. There's nothing inherently wrong with not getting laid for a specific period of time. It's only a problem if you make it a problem, and incels obsess over it.

This is pretty much the end result of placing so much value on fucking, though. You make that "you haven't got laid, you're not really a man" and then move the goalposts so that sex and intimacy are so difficult to attain and are commodities to be traded among the very attractive then you're going to get people that are basically driven mad by their inability to get what they think they're supposed to have.

Losing your virginity shouldn't be a big deal, having or not having sex shouldn't be a big deal. Just ease the pressure off everyone.
 
Losing your virginity shouldn't be a big deal, having or not having sex shouldn't be a big deal. Just ease the pressure off everyone.
To be fair, as much social pressure as there is around virginity, most guys are going insane for pussy in their teens. I don't think I was driven so much by being perceived as a virgin as I was by raging hormones.
 
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