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As a society we still judge men who don’t have sex as failures
BY James Bloodworth



In the past year or so the word ‘Incel’ has become a ubiquitous online insult. Short for Involuntary Celibate, it was popularised by men who appropriated the label for themselves. The Incel community is overwhelmingly male (and growing) and to be an Incel (technically at least) is to have not had sex for six months or more.


As so the word has gradually crept into the vocabulary of every internet troll — partly I suspect because we still judge people by how much sex they have, or not in this case. We still view men who don’t have sex as failures in some way.


Incels are therefore an easy target. For men, calling someone an Incel implies something positive — a certain sexual abundance — about one’s own existence. For women it has begun to function as a putdown that ruthlessly dismisses unworthy suitors while simultaneously expelling them from the community of the good as misogynistic and creepy.


In the past decade there has been a three-fold increase in the number of men who have not had sex in the past year. In 2018 the Southern Poverty Law Centre added Incels to their ‘Hate Map’, describing them as “part of the online male supremacist eco-system”. Countless articles have appeared in the media equating inceldom with “toxic masculinity”, misogyny and violence. Most begin from the assumption that Incel ideology, so far as it exists, is a product of men’s domination over women. It is a backlash against feminism; the whingeing of men who have been taught by the tyrannical patriarchy to believe they are entitled to ownership of women’s bodies.


There is invariably some truth to this. The rise of the online ‘Manosphere’ is a reassertion by men of traditional gender roles from which they benefitted immensely. The most notorious Incels, who have gone on murderous rampages, have indeed been narcissistic and entitled men. Elliot Rodger was a 22-year-old Incel who murdered seven people in Isla Vista, California, in 2014. Rodger epitomised entitled masculinity. Shortly before Rodger carried about the massacre, Dale Launer, a friend of Rodger’s father, gave the boy some not terrible advice for building relationships with women on his college campus. Rodger’s response is revealing. As Launer recounted to the BBC:

“As I told him, ‘When you see a woman next time you’re on campus and you like her hair or sunglasses, just pay her a compliment.’ I told him, ‘It’s a freebie, something in passing, you’re not trying to make conversation. Keep walking, don’t make any long eye contact, just give the free compliment.’ The idea being you might make a friend if you make someone feel good.


“I said to Elliot, ‘In the next few weeks — if you see them they’ll likely give you a smile — and you can smile back and eventually turn this into chit-chat.’


“I got in touch with him a few weeks later and asked if he did it. He said ‘no’. And when asked why not, he said, ‘Why do I have to compliment them? Why don’t they compliment me?’” [emphasis mine]

Rodger felt superior to others and referred to a “Day of Retribution” when he would kill those he was envious of — ‘Chads’, men who sleep with lots of women, and ‘Staceys’, feminine and attractive — as well as those who did not see the value he believed he possessed. He probably had a narcissistic personality disorder.


However Rodger was an outlier. Most Incels are non-violent and use the forums they frequent as a support group, a place to vent — often toxically — against a society which they feel has rejected them (at least when it comes to intimacy). It is this which inceldom is largely concerned with: intimacy rather than sex. Most have given up on dating entirely. Some embrace an ideology they call the Black Pill — a spin-off the red and blue pills from The Matrix — which contains misogynistic tenets but adherence to which is not a requirement to be an Incel. The Blue Pill is the existing state of blissful ignorance; the Red Pill seeks to understand the system and manipulate it to its advantage; those who take the Black Pill accept the Red Pill’s tenets about women and society but resign themselves to a life of frustration and alienation.

Black pill ideology is often misogynistic and occasionally deadly. According to the Black Pill women are shallow and driven entirely by hypergamy — that’s to say the desire to hook up with a man of superior status to themselves whether in terms of looks, money or power. As with several other Black Pill assumptions there is an element of truth to this: women do tend to date “up”. However the Black Pill takes this concept to its deterministic absolute: on the forums Incels obsess over height and looks as if nobody who isn’t 6ft 4in with a six pack ever gets a date.


This is undoubtedly a convenient rationalisation for some. It’s easier to sit at home on the internet and lament the callousness and superficiality of wider society than it is to begin the long and arduous process required to become a more attractive man.


But the dating scene of 2020 is also radically different to the dating scene of twenty years ago, and this is a factor behind the growing number of Incels. The decline of traditional marriage has played a part. In the past there was greater societal pressure on women to ‘settle’ with men who they may not have been in love with or even sexually attracted to. The concept of arranged marriage, still popular in eastern cultures, where people pair up on the basis of suitability, is significantly different to our modern, Hollywood-style conception of idealised pairing on the basis of sexual attraction and finding ‘The One’.


Women are the sexual selectors on modern dating apps, where men are abundant and therefore of lower sexual market value (SMV). A friend and I ran an experiment on Tinder last year where we set up a profile purporting to be an attractive woman. In less than 24-hours the profile ran up over 2,000 matches. Tinder and similar apps are effective for the stereotypically good looking male. But the majority of men make do with few matches, often with women they are not attracted to. A recent study of Tinder found that “the bottom 80% of men (in terms of attractiveness) are competing for the bottom 22% of women and the top 78% of women are competing for the top 20% of men”.


As I recently noted for UnHerd, our promiscuous culture bends toward the Pareto principle, also known as the 80/20 rule whereby 20% of men date 80% of women. I wrote: “Women compete over the most desirable men, while the rest are increasingly turning towards porn and — before long, no doubt — sex robots.”


The sexual revolution and the gradual erosion of the pressure to settle down (what Jordan Peterson has referred to as “socially enforced monogamy”) has encouraged women (quite reasonably) to seek out the best partners for themselves. Some men refuse to reconcile themselves to this new reality. Others struggle in a digital dating environment where superficial qualities are prized to an extent that was not true in the past. In the world of online dating, which is how 40% of couples in the United States meet, looks, height and social status are usually pre-requisites for matching with someone at all.


Offline, many Incels lack the basic social skills required to navigate relations with the opposite sex. According to an internal poll carried out on the website Incels.co, 26% of users of the forum said they had some form of autism. Flirting, which requires an innate understanding of nuanced sub-communications and unspoken sexual tension, does not come naturally to these men.


Moreover, mainstream dating advice for men is useless at the best of times and consists largely of feel-good bromides (often written by women) extolling men to ‘just be yourself’ or to let ‘fate’ take care of it. Real-life dating coaching, which takes clients out into bars and clubs in order to learn how to interact with women in a non-platonic way, is laughed at by the mainstream and dominated by charlatans calling themselves ‘pickup artists’.


Inceldom touches a nerve in wider society, which I suspect is why we have few conversations about it. All of us treat people differently on the basis of their physical appearance, however altruistic we may believe ourselves to be. As a recent article in Vice, which drew on a comprehensive body of research, noted: “Attractive people are generally assumed to be more intelligent, more trustworthy, and have better social skills.”


We shy away from talking honestly about this because to do so would be to acknowledge that there are some areas where true ‘equality’ — the ideal we strive for in most areas of political life — is unattainable when it comes to hooking up. The topic of sex and dating is already a minefield where egos swim amidst the unspoken and adversarial mating strategies deployed by men and women. There is very little altruism and equality when it comes to finding a mate. The sexual act is discriminatory by definition.


And it is leaving increasing numbers of men on the scrapheap. Some identify ideologically as Incels out of frustration. Some out of entitlement. Many seek to blame women’s supposedly unrealistic standards for their inability to form an intimate relationship. For others the situation is still more complex.


Incels arguably have something in common with the Japanese hikikomori, defined by Japan’s Health, Labour and Welfare Ministry as those who have “remained isolated at home for at least six consecutive months without going to school or work, and rarely interact with people from outside their immediate family”. Japan has around one million hikikomori.


Inceldom fits within a broader trend towards alienation and reclusive behaviour in modern societies, fostered by technology, changing dating preferences and — among other things — easy access to pornography. We don’t have our own hikikomori problem in the west just yet, but Incels are a growing phenomenon that society would do well to better understand — even if that is less satisfying than throwing the word around as an online insult.
 

"Incel" is just a shaming tactic. It's really not any more complex than that. Calling someone a virgin has been a shallow insult for ages; the term "incel" just adds additional, unflattering political baggage to it. It's the insinuation you're not only an unloved cretin, but an unloved cretin who will inevitably embarrass themselves trying to get revenge on those who rejected you as a result of some inevitable fall into lunacy. "You're not just ugly and alone, you're a bad person and will go insane." The "but you can save yourself if..." manipulative garbage soon follows, pretty much every time.



We don't stop having conversations about it. Everyone seems to have turned into a paranoid, quixotic lunatic brainwashed by the internet.

This article has enough quasi-truths in it (the bits about Pareto principle have some authentic scientific basis), but I'm tired of hearing about this. Just get a hobby and forget about meaningless put-downs by fickle people. Be passionate about something. Have your life amount to more than worrying about how many penises you do or don't sit on. This nonsense was little more than a theory in Schopenhauer's diary until we ran out of jobs, stopped exercising, stared too often at screens and handed the reins of society over to hook-nosed sociopaths.
Yeah, I never got the point of worrying about the number of relationships (sexual or otherwise) one has in their life versus the quality of said relationships. I’d rather have fewer, more meaningful and intimate relationships with other people and especially romantic ones versus having literally thousands but their little more than distractions from the problems in my life and are transactional to all hell. It’s not even a sentiment the sperging Catholic in me finds is unique: even Aristotle wrote about how this was the true purpose of friendship and of the various types of love. Shit like this is why society will probably fall apart in 100 or so years if this shit keeps on getting pushed on to the populace: we’re atomizing all the bonds that tie us together through this commercialization/commoditization of our human nature.
 
This.

Some people are so paranoid about each other nowadays. Being scared to compliment a woman because you're scared she'll accuse you of rape is no different that a woman being scared to talk to a man because she's afraid he'll rape her. Such actual occurrences are rare, and thinking that they are is not a healthy, let alone realistic mindset. They're two sides of the same stupid coin, and I really wish people who stop giving into this ridiculous fear-mongering.

Tom isn't going to rape you, and Samantha isn't going cry rape just because you said you liked her hair. Thinking such is a completely exceptional mindset, and if it's one that pertains to you, you have no right to complain about being single.

People claim that is rare based on the statistics of convictions. It's pretty common - it's not illegal to lie about being raped so why would they keep records? Of course, the next layer is that people lie and there is no evidence proving they lied and the c
Yeah, I never got the point of worrying about the number of relationships (sexual or otherwise) one has in their life versus the quality of said relationships. I’d rather have fewer, more meaningful and intimate relationships with other people and especially romantic ones versus having literally thousands but their little more than distractions from the problems in my life and are transactional to all hell. It’s not even a sentiment the sperging Catholic in me finds is unique: even Aristotle wrote about how this was the true purpose of friendship and of the various types of love. Shit like this is why society will probably fall apart in 100 or so years if this shit keeps on getting pushed on to the populace: we’re atomizing all the bonds that tie us together through this commercialization/commoditization of our human nature.

It's always been that way. People married for stability, status and duty even without arranged marriages.

Marriage for romantic love became big under the Boomers and it resulted in 50% divorce and "wife bad". Historically the love developed during the relationship through learning boundaries, experience and sacrifice.

Now ll of the places where you could get that experience ban relationships, workplace, your school, clubs, etc.

You either need to break rules or find an alternative like MMORPGs.
 
This whole thread keeps reminding me of that line from Fight Club (roughly):

I wanted to put a bullet between the eyes of every panda that wouldn't fuck to save the species...

There's something so unnatural and lacking vitality in all the Incel, MGTOW, RadFEm etc. shit, it can't lead to anything but dissatisfaction, neuroses, and an occasional person snapping. It's so weird that with all our scientific developments of the last century, social sciences and the relationship narrative have gone the other way, and have basically become some backwards, regressive, and socially schizophrenic prehistoric cult.
 
It's so weird that with all our scientific developments of the last century, social sciences and the relationship narrative have gone the other way, and have basically become some backwards, regressive, and socially schizophrenic prehistoric cult.

They're largely unconnected, as one operates within the realm of facts and logic and the other is pretty much pure feels. We're getting book-smarter but becoming socially re.tarded. This is being deliberately fostered and is not a natural progression of any sort - someone, somewhere is dumping as much solvent as possible on the "social glue", likely because atomized individuals are more vulnerable to programming and brainwashing than well-connected and well-adjusted people.
 
Normalfags do not get it. They never will.

Normies read Prophet Elliot's, pubg, statement of "Why do I have to compliment them? Why don’t they compliment me?" and immediately jump to him being conceited and entitled. That could be true, but he could also be tired of trying.

Another prophet, now a goddess, said something similar in a video address many years ago. CWC, for those who do not remember our sacred scripture, encouraged the ladies to both avoid hunks because they might have terrible personalities and also to go up to that boy they like and let him know they are interested. He was not doing that because he felt that he was necessarily owed a qt 18 year old to his current age gf, but because he is a low value male who had only failed in his attempts to find a girlfriend in the past. Chris constantly tried to find a girl who wanted him. His methods were original and stupid, but he is an autistic moron. How many girls do you think tried to chat up CWC to get as his 5-7 inch pickle? Some gongo will say that his autism and stupidity were the problem, but his disability and personality never were an issue because it never got that far. He was not a virgin because he only made it two dates with loads of girls. He never made date number one. Chris could have spent all this time "rappin' to the girls for some you know what I mean". Nothing would have changed.

Incels take to inceldom because they understand each other in the group. Chris gets some attention because he is minor e-celeb, but as best as we know not a single whore has rode his pickle since he fornicated with a prostitute years and years ago. Most incel types do not get that. They are ignored or insulted. Why would they keep trying when they know the results?

This idea that they will eventually find someone if they keep trying is silly. Relationships are like jobs: no one is interested in someone without a history. No experience is instant red flag. Big gaps in the history are another problem. Women would rather be with a guy who was in jail than a normal loser who simply has gone 8 years without any type of relationship or sex. Virginity in adults is one of the more repellent qualities when it comes to relationships. The worst off of the incels become no value as no adult woman wants bad sex with a loser. Especially when that loser is less attractive, or equally, less or moderately.

Normalfags and incels are disjoint sets. Neither can understand the world of the other. They have nothing in common.
 
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She might have accidentally blackpilled the sub, but this gives you an idea of how the odds are stacked against men on dating apps.
What the fuck those numbers. Messages with 500 dudes. I've never been on Tindr and I'm not familiar with it so I'm not sure whether this is supposed to be a lot or sort of normal. I guess I am way out of the loop on this one. I married early and then split and have not been really in the market let alone interested in any newfangled types of ways to date although i tried OKCupid and at that point it wasn't full SJW.


I thought I had the original blog post saved, but this was an experiment done with 10 fake accounts, 5 male, 5 female, with profile pics of varying attractiveness.

The ugliest woman got as much attention as the 2nd most attractive guy, the most attractive woman had her 5k message limit reached in just over 2 months, and the most attractive guy would have required 2 years to reach the 5k message limit of the inbox.
 
Normies read Prophet Elliot's, pubg, statement of "Why do I have to compliment them? Why don’t they compliment me?" and immediately jump to him being conceited and entitled. That could be true, but he could also be tired of trying.
Did you read it? He literally never tried.
 
Or, he thought "trying" was whining for mom to give him a BMW and then parking it in front of attractive girls he saw on the sidewalk and being enraged they weren't reciprocating his "effort" with phone numbers and blow jobs and that the "solution" to that was throwing his drinks out the windows at them.

Anyone who cites him with any kind of "ack-ack-actually....." is like Bernie defending Castro, Communist Dictators don't get a pass for all the bodies the created in the gulags because they offered free shit on the side. Violent narcissistics don't get a pass because they may have maybe, by pure chance, had one of their behaviors align with a normal person's or some sociologists' opinions on the problems of modern relationships.

To say "he had a point" means you're either hopelessly deluded or hopelessly ignorant. No, he didn't have a valid point, the fact that in the middle of his disjointed rambling he said something factually correct like "2 + 2 = 4" doesn't make anything else he did/said even CLOSE to correct.
 
Or, he thought "trying" was whining for mom to give him a BMW and then parking it in front of attractive girls he saw on the sidewalk and being enraged they weren't reciprocating his "effort" with phone numbers and blow jobs and that the "solution" to that was throwing his drinks out the windows at them.

Anyone who cites him with any kind of "ack-ack-actually....." is like Bernie defending Castro, Communist Dictators don't get a pass for all the bodies the created in the gulags because they offered free shit on the side. Violent narcissistics don't get a pass because they may have maybe, by pure chance, had one of their behaviors align with a normal person's or some sociologists' opinions on the problems of modern relationships.

To say "he had a point" means you're either hopelessly deluded or hopelessly ignorant. No, he didn't have a valid point, the fact that in the middle of his disjointed rambling he said something factually correct like "2 + 2 = 4" doesn't make anything else he did/said even CLOSE to correct.
I am not saying he was right. I am merely explaining to normiescum that the mindset of these people is different because of how they are treated. You are not intelligent enough to understand that.

Some people will be alone forever. Most are guys. They will be ignored and avoided as long as they live. Normalfags will blame bad personality and whatever else while forgetting that personality is not visible. People are shallow and care mostly about looks so some guys never have a chance to show what jerks they are.

Normalfags blame losers for being losers. That is deluded. It is always "Be yourself" and "I found a qt girl so anyone can." Yeah, sure. Incels may be jerks a lot of the time, but many have earned it for dealing with normalfags all the time.
 

I thought I had the original blog post saved, but this was an experiment done with 10 fake accounts, 5 male, 5 female, with profile pics of varying attractiveness.

The ugliest woman got as much attention as the 2nd most attractive guy, the most attractive woman had her 5k message limit reached in just over 2 months, and the most attractive guy would have required 2 years to reach the 5k message limit of the inbox.
I like how the ZDNet article still finds a way to make the women out to be victims in all of this. The poor dears.
 
Normalfags blame losers for being losers. That is deluded. It is always "Be yourself" and "I found a qt girl so anyone can." Yeah, sure. Incels may be jerks a lot of the time, but many have earned it for dealing with normalfags all the time.

Incels should kill themselves. That way they don't have to deal with anything any more.
 
Did you read it? He literally never tried.
O-o-oh yeah? I have personally printed every page of the manifesto and have it applied to my room as wallpaper and I will tell you he did indeed say Hello to a woman at Barnes and Noble. Hello. Fucking incredible. It must have taken so much courage.

It's just the fact that self righteous stuck up whore ignored him and he spent the rest of the afternoon in the bathroom crying. You arent intelligent enough to understand that pain, obviously. Women are evil.
 
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