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As a society we still judge men who don’t have sex as failures
BY James Bloodworth



In the past year or so the word ‘Incel’ has become a ubiquitous online insult. Short for Involuntary Celibate, it was popularised by men who appropriated the label for themselves. The Incel community is overwhelmingly male (and growing) and to be an Incel (technically at least) is to have not had sex for six months or more.


As so the word has gradually crept into the vocabulary of every internet troll — partly I suspect because we still judge people by how much sex they have, or not in this case. We still view men who don’t have sex as failures in some way.


Incels are therefore an easy target. For men, calling someone an Incel implies something positive — a certain sexual abundance — about one’s own existence. For women it has begun to function as a putdown that ruthlessly dismisses unworthy suitors while simultaneously expelling them from the community of the good as misogynistic and creepy.


In the past decade there has been a three-fold increase in the number of men who have not had sex in the past year. In 2018 the Southern Poverty Law Centre added Incels to their ‘Hate Map’, describing them as “part of the online male supremacist eco-system”. Countless articles have appeared in the media equating inceldom with “toxic masculinity”, misogyny and violence. Most begin from the assumption that Incel ideology, so far as it exists, is a product of men’s domination over women. It is a backlash against feminism; the whingeing of men who have been taught by the tyrannical patriarchy to believe they are entitled to ownership of women’s bodies.


There is invariably some truth to this. The rise of the online ‘Manosphere’ is a reassertion by men of traditional gender roles from which they benefitted immensely. The most notorious Incels, who have gone on murderous rampages, have indeed been narcissistic and entitled men. Elliot Rodger was a 22-year-old Incel who murdered seven people in Isla Vista, California, in 2014. Rodger epitomised entitled masculinity. Shortly before Rodger carried about the massacre, Dale Launer, a friend of Rodger’s father, gave the boy some not terrible advice for building relationships with women on his college campus. Rodger’s response is revealing. As Launer recounted to the BBC:

“As I told him, ‘When you see a woman next time you’re on campus and you like her hair or sunglasses, just pay her a compliment.’ I told him, ‘It’s a freebie, something in passing, you’re not trying to make conversation. Keep walking, don’t make any long eye contact, just give the free compliment.’ The idea being you might make a friend if you make someone feel good.


“I said to Elliot, ‘In the next few weeks — if you see them they’ll likely give you a smile — and you can smile back and eventually turn this into chit-chat.’


“I got in touch with him a few weeks later and asked if he did it. He said ‘no’. And when asked why not, he said, ‘Why do I have to compliment them? Why don’t they compliment me?’” [emphasis mine]

Rodger felt superior to others and referred to a “Day of Retribution” when he would kill those he was envious of — ‘Chads’, men who sleep with lots of women, and ‘Staceys’, feminine and attractive — as well as those who did not see the value he believed he possessed. He probably had a narcissistic personality disorder.


However Rodger was an outlier. Most Incels are non-violent and use the forums they frequent as a support group, a place to vent — often toxically — against a society which they feel has rejected them (at least when it comes to intimacy). It is this which inceldom is largely concerned with: intimacy rather than sex. Most have given up on dating entirely. Some embrace an ideology they call the Black Pill — a spin-off the red and blue pills from The Matrix — which contains misogynistic tenets but adherence to which is not a requirement to be an Incel. The Blue Pill is the existing state of blissful ignorance; the Red Pill seeks to understand the system and manipulate it to its advantage; those who take the Black Pill accept the Red Pill’s tenets about women and society but resign themselves to a life of frustration and alienation.

Black pill ideology is often misogynistic and occasionally deadly. According to the Black Pill women are shallow and driven entirely by hypergamy — that’s to say the desire to hook up with a man of superior status to themselves whether in terms of looks, money or power. As with several other Black Pill assumptions there is an element of truth to this: women do tend to date “up”. However the Black Pill takes this concept to its deterministic absolute: on the forums Incels obsess over height and looks as if nobody who isn’t 6ft 4in with a six pack ever gets a date.


This is undoubtedly a convenient rationalisation for some. It’s easier to sit at home on the internet and lament the callousness and superficiality of wider society than it is to begin the long and arduous process required to become a more attractive man.


But the dating scene of 2020 is also radically different to the dating scene of twenty years ago, and this is a factor behind the growing number of Incels. The decline of traditional marriage has played a part. In the past there was greater societal pressure on women to ‘settle’ with men who they may not have been in love with or even sexually attracted to. The concept of arranged marriage, still popular in eastern cultures, where people pair up on the basis of suitability, is significantly different to our modern, Hollywood-style conception of idealised pairing on the basis of sexual attraction and finding ‘The One’.


Women are the sexual selectors on modern dating apps, where men are abundant and therefore of lower sexual market value (SMV). A friend and I ran an experiment on Tinder last year where we set up a profile purporting to be an attractive woman. In less than 24-hours the profile ran up over 2,000 matches. Tinder and similar apps are effective for the stereotypically good looking male. But the majority of men make do with few matches, often with women they are not attracted to. A recent study of Tinder found that “the bottom 80% of men (in terms of attractiveness) are competing for the bottom 22% of women and the top 78% of women are competing for the top 20% of men”.


As I recently noted for UnHerd, our promiscuous culture bends toward the Pareto principle, also known as the 80/20 rule whereby 20% of men date 80% of women. I wrote: “Women compete over the most desirable men, while the rest are increasingly turning towards porn and — before long, no doubt — sex robots.”


The sexual revolution and the gradual erosion of the pressure to settle down (what Jordan Peterson has referred to as “socially enforced monogamy”) has encouraged women (quite reasonably) to seek out the best partners for themselves. Some men refuse to reconcile themselves to this new reality. Others struggle in a digital dating environment where superficial qualities are prized to an extent that was not true in the past. In the world of online dating, which is how 40% of couples in the United States meet, looks, height and social status are usually pre-requisites for matching with someone at all.


Offline, many Incels lack the basic social skills required to navigate relations with the opposite sex. According to an internal poll carried out on the website Incels.co, 26% of users of the forum said they had some form of autism. Flirting, which requires an innate understanding of nuanced sub-communications and unspoken sexual tension, does not come naturally to these men.


Moreover, mainstream dating advice for men is useless at the best of times and consists largely of feel-good bromides (often written by women) extolling men to ‘just be yourself’ or to let ‘fate’ take care of it. Real-life dating coaching, which takes clients out into bars and clubs in order to learn how to interact with women in a non-platonic way, is laughed at by the mainstream and dominated by charlatans calling themselves ‘pickup artists’.


Inceldom touches a nerve in wider society, which I suspect is why we have few conversations about it. All of us treat people differently on the basis of their physical appearance, however altruistic we may believe ourselves to be. As a recent article in Vice, which drew on a comprehensive body of research, noted: “Attractive people are generally assumed to be more intelligent, more trustworthy, and have better social skills.”


We shy away from talking honestly about this because to do so would be to acknowledge that there are some areas where true ‘equality’ — the ideal we strive for in most areas of political life — is unattainable when it comes to hooking up. The topic of sex and dating is already a minefield where egos swim amidst the unspoken and adversarial mating strategies deployed by men and women. There is very little altruism and equality when it comes to finding a mate. The sexual act is discriminatory by definition.


And it is leaving increasing numbers of men on the scrapheap. Some identify ideologically as Incels out of frustration. Some out of entitlement. Many seek to blame women’s supposedly unrealistic standards for their inability to form an intimate relationship. For others the situation is still more complex.


Incels arguably have something in common with the Japanese hikikomori, defined by Japan’s Health, Labour and Welfare Ministry as those who have “remained isolated at home for at least six consecutive months without going to school or work, and rarely interact with people from outside their immediate family”. Japan has around one million hikikomori.


Inceldom fits within a broader trend towards alienation and reclusive behaviour in modern societies, fostered by technology, changing dating preferences and — among other things — easy access to pornography. We don’t have our own hikikomori problem in the west just yet, but Incels are a growing phenomenon that society would do well to better understand — even if that is less satisfying than throwing the word around as an online insult.
 
You're implying it's more than it is.

It's less worried about getting in a car because it might crash and more like preferring a car instead of a motorcycle because you don't have a license for motorcycles.

You usually can notice which thot will cry rape, and it's far easier to yeet than figure out if you're right or wrong. And that whole is she or isn't she bullshit is sometimes not worth the effort in the first place.
You have 2 options

1. Have to get up in the morning, work like a normal person and take responsibility.
2. Get a massive payout and complain about sexism like a good attention whore.

Which do you choose?
 
Honestly I think that all of the standard swipe-left dating apps have a problem of ghosting and dismissal. Hell, how many people just idly swipe a few profiles every day when they're not even looking to meet anybody, just because they're bored? It's obvious that women get a dopamine hit out of all the swipes and inbox messages they receive but will never look at, that's no different than when they upload a new selfie to Facebook every day so they can get bombarded with "omg girl u so beautiful" comments. And guys will be on those sites for disingenuine reasons too. Sometimes I would go on to idly swipe at pics when I was bored, even if at that point I wasn't particularly looking to start something.

Another factor is the poison of social justice politics. It's not just something that college guys have to deal with. I'm off the market now but earlier this year I was looking, and I'm a man in my 30s looking for women of a commensurate age and still I kept seeing things you'd only expect to see in the personal lolcow thread. I told a story once about how a woman messaged me asking for a strong opinion to break the ice, so I said I don't like game of thrones. She responded with "men aren't entitled to an opinion about abortion, what do you think?" Well what the fuck are you supposed to say to that? Any incorrect response and she'll be reporting your profile to the admins for hate speech. Another time I saw a profile that stated she was "committed to non-patriarchalism". What does that even mean? Does it mean you'll split the dinner check with me halfway? I doubt it. Stuff that reads directly out of a Vox headline is depressingly common on profiles. You must hate Trump, you must oppose immigration restrictions, you must believe in the wage gap. All of that is code for "all of these subjects are not open to scrutiny or introspection, you must toe the party line uncritically", so no matter what your politics are it's just saying you're not supposed to have any challenging conversations because only bigots do that. Women like that wonder why they can't find a man when they just hold nonsense political ideals that de facto require every man to flagellate himself for woke points. No my dear woman, I will not blindly parrot the idea that you aren't paid the same as me when we do the same job and I will not parrot the idea that I'm living life on easy mode when I bust my ass all day long and am constantly reminded that I'm from the only group that deserves no help. Guys like to have self-esteem too, you know.

Even more basic than all of that, I bet a big reason that dating feels like such an impossible task is the exact same fear-of-missing-out that occurs all across social media when you see pics and stories of other people living fantastic adventures. A generation ago, a guy might get rejected, say, 3 times a week if he was talking to women at the bar. Now a guy can get "rejected" 300 times a day if he is constantly swiping and receiving no responses. There's no way that doesn't affect a person's psychology. It's easier than ever to throw this difficulty in your own face whenever and wherever you are. Especially when you pair it with looking at "so-and-so just changed their status to in a relationship" all the time. It's exhausting to the soul!
 
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Honestly I think that all of the standard swipe-left dating apps have a problem of ghosting and dismissal. Hell, how many people just idly swipe a few profiles every day when they're not even looking to meet anybody, just because they're bored? It's obvious that women get a dopamine hit out of all the swipes and inbox messages they receive but will never look at, that's no different than when they upload a new selfie to Facebook every day so they can get bombarded with "omg girl u so beautiful" comments. And guys will be on those sites for disingenuine reasons too. Sometimes I would go on to idly swipe at pics when I was bored, even if at that point I wasn't particularly looking to start something.

Another factor is the poison of social justice politics. It's not just something that college guys have to deal with. I'm off the market now but earlier this year I was looking, and I'm a man in my 30s looking for women of a commensurate age and still I kept seeing things you'd only expect to see in the personal lolcow thread. I told a story once about how a woman messaged me asking for a strong opinion to break the ice, so I said I don't like game of thrones. She responded with "men aren't entitled to an opinion about abortion, what do you think?" Well what the fuck are you supposed to say to that? Any incorrect response and she'll be reporting your profile to the admins for hate speech. Another time I saw a profile that stated she was "committed to non-patriarchalism". What does that even mean? Does it mean you'll split the dinner check with me halfway? I doubt it. Stuff that reads directly out of a Vox headline is depressingly common on profiles. You must hate Trump, you must oppose immigration restrictions, you must believe in the wage gap. All of that is code for "all of these subjects are not open to scrutiny or introspection, you must toe the party line uncritically", so no matter what your politics are it's just saying you're not supposed to have any challenging conversations because only bigots do that. Women like that wonder why they can't find a man when they just hold nonsense political ideals that de facto require every man to flagellate himself for woke points. No my dear woman, I will not blindly parrot the idea that you aren't paid the same as me when we do the same job and I will not parrot the idea that I'm livong life on easy mode when I bust my ass all day long and am constantly reminded that I'm from the only group that deserves no help. Guys like to have self-esteem too, you know.

Even more basic than all of that, I bet a big reason that dating feels like such an impossible task is the exact same fear-of-missing-out that occurs all across social media when you see pics and stories of other people living fantastic adventures. A generation ago, a guy might get rejected, say, 3 times a week if he was talking to women at the bar. Now a guy can get "rejected" 300 times a day if he is constantly swiping and receiving no responses. There's no way that doesn't affect a person's psychology. It's easier than ever to throw this difficulty in your own face whenever and wherever you are. Especially when you pair it with looking at "so-and-so just changed their status to in a relationship" all the time. It's exhausting to the soul!

The best advice to young folks (not just incels) looking for love is to just get out there. Unplug. Join a local club or interest group. You're better off trying to connect with someone face-to-face than over Tinder or other dating apps.
Also don't try to force a relationship, letting it happen naturally is the best way. That doesn't mean "be passive"; once you pluck up the courage to ask that woman that you're fond of out to coffee, do it. The worst answer you'll get is some form of "no". Unless you made the mistake of asking out Big Red, then the worst answer is "RAAAAAAAAAAaaAAAAAAAPE".
 
The best advice to young folks (not just incels) looking for love is to just get out there. Unplug. Join a local club or interest group. You're better off trying to connect with someone face-to-face than over Tinder or other dating apps.
Also don't try to force a relationship, letting it happen naturally is the best way. That doesn't mean "be passive"; once you pluck up the courage to ask that woman that you're fond of out to coffee, do it. The worst answer you'll get is some form of "no". Unless you made the mistake of asking out Big Red, then the worst answer is "RAAAAAAAAAAaaAAAAAAAPE".
Or just not fuck.
 
I was expecting this to be just another hit piece on men, but it was pretty fairly written. Like, I'm surprised Jordan Peterson was labeled an alt-right savior or some shit.

Interesting shit, especially comparing that other article here about how women are supposedly much happier being single, and others talking about declining marriage/childbirth rates.

It's going to be interesting 20 years from now when those 80% of women chasing 20% of are no longer sexually desirable. We're going to get a lot of articles written that men are sexist because the don't want to date a 45 year old cat lady.

There's already plenty of 45 year old cat-moms bitching about how no good men are left, after they decided to try their luck on the dating market with a divorce at 42.


You have no idea how disappointed I am that it wasn't David "Spinosauruskin" Sherratt.

Are incels and the MGTOW community interchangeable? I assume not since MGTOWs are largely taking a modern monks vow of celibacy, just with more beer and shitposting.

MGTOWs look at how easy it is for a woman to claim harassment, rape, etc., or for a woman to make those claims during a divorce, and utterly shatter a dude's life, and say "Nope, I can drink beer, watch the game, get a console, and the internet has free porn."

To add, I have heard (without specific evidence) that polygamist societies have more problems with violence/turmoil because restless, hopeless single young men are a great pool for warfare. They’re not necessarily going to guillotine Chad, but they can be radicalized for all sorts of evil purposes. Polygamists have it worse because they have more of those single young men.

If there’s anything to the theory, then de facto polygamy should be a danger to society.

I see you've finally heard about Islam, where they're incels don't have explosive personalities, at least not until after they get onto the bus or the plane.

Honestly I think that all of the standard swipe-left dating apps have a problem of ghosting and dismissal. Hell, how many people just idly swipe a few profiles every day when they're not even looking to meet anybody, just because they're bored? It's obvious that women get a dopamine hit out of all the swipes and inbox messages they receive but will never look at, that's no different than when they upload a new selfie to Facebook every day so they can get bombarded with "omg girl u so beautiful" comments. And guys will be on those sites for disingenuine reasons too. Sometimes I would go on to idly swipe at pics when I was bored, even if at that point I wasn't particularly looking to start something.

Another factor is the poison of social justice politics. It's not just something that college guys have to deal with. I'm off the market now but earlier this year I was looking, and I'm a man in my 30s looking for women of a commensurate age and still I kept seeing things you'd only expect to see in the personal lolcow thread. I told a story once about how a woman messaged me asking for a strong opinion to break the ice, so I said I don't like game of thrones. She responded with "men aren't entitled to an opinion about abortion, what do you think?" Well what the fuck are you supposed to say to that? Any incorrect response and she'll be reporting your profile to the admins for hate speech. Another time I saw a profile that stated she was "committed to non-patriarchalism". What does that even mean? Does it mean you'll split the dinner check with me halfway? I doubt it. Stuff that reads directly out of a Vox headline is depressingly common on profiles. You must hate Trump, you must oppose immigration restrictions, you must believe in the wage gap. All of that is code for "all of these subjects are not open to scrutiny or introspection, you must toe the party line uncritically", so no matter what your politics are it's just saying you're not supposed to have any challenging conversations because only bigots do that. Women like that wonder why they can't find a man when they just hold nonsense political ideals that de facto require every man to flagellate himself for woke points. No my dear woman, I will not blindly parrot the idea that you aren't paid the same as me when we do the same job and I will not parrot the idea that I'm living life on easy mode when I bust my ass all day long and am constantly reminded that I'm from the only group that deserves no help. Guys like to have self-esteem too, you know.

Even more basic than all of that, I bet a big reason that dating feels like such an impossible task is the exact same fear-of-missing-out that occurs all across social media when you see pics and stories of other people living fantastic adventures. A generation ago, a guy might get rejected, say, 3 times a week if he was talking to women at the bar. Now a guy can get "rejected" 300 times a day if he is constantly swiping and receiving no responses. There's no way that doesn't affect a person's psychology. It's easier than ever to throw this difficulty in your own face whenever and wherever you are. Especially when you pair it with looking at "so-and-so just changed their status to in a relationship" all the time. It's exhausting to the soul!

OkCupid has decided that the solution to declining market share is to actively pursue the Woko Haram market, and it's turned into a cesspit of dangerhair, soyface, people wanting poly relationships, and people desperately trying to be more woke and extremist left than the last asshole.

If I had the time, patience, and money, I'd mine it for lolcows, but I already spend enough time in the SJW thread, and I value what little sanity I have left.
 
The thing I noticed about some incels is that they kind of have an Outsider Looking-In Syndrome

Let me explain.

You have these people who have every means to be able to get a girl (Or a guy), with certain modifications to their overall being they could easily have a good relationship with a girl.

That would be the end of it, if it weren't for that fact that they have major narcissism and a lack of self awareness (Which may or may not be involved with the narcissism), there may or may not be a ball of mental illnesses in there as well.

When they obviously come off as an asshole to a girl and they tell them

"no"

This sends their minds into overdrive, "What? Did you just tell me no?".

Their mind can't understand this as due part from the narcissism, so their mind ends up creating a strawman, the 'Chad' and the 'Stacy', in order to explain this unexplainable circumstance of a girl refusing their advances.

They see this strawman (Chad) getting the girls, they see this strawman (Stacy) fucking everything in existence BESIDES them. They convince themselves that the world is this black and white due to their lack of self awareness, and they see themselves completely detached from this possibility, almost like an outsider.

It's as if they are outside a glass box peering at these strawmen doing what they do, convincing themselves that they can't break the glass box and enter that world, or that they shouldn't have to, it is beneath them and the Stacies should be the ones who have to. (See: Narcissism and lack of self awareness)
What you’re describing fits well with the idea of internal vs external locus of control and the general personality types associated with them
 
Another factor is the poison of social justice politics. It's not just something that college guys have to deal with. I'm off the market now but earlier this year I was looking, and I'm a man in my 30s looking for women of a commensurate age and still I kept seeing things you'd only expect to see in the personal lolcow thread. I told a story once about how a woman messaged me asking for a strong opinion to break the ice, so I said I don't like game of thrones. She responded with "men aren't entitled to an opinion about abortion, what do you think?" Well what the fuck are you supposed to say to that? Any incorrect response and she'll be reporting your profile to the admins for hate speech. Another time I saw a profile that stated she was "committed to non-patriarchalism". What does that even mean? Does it mean you'll split the dinner check with me halfway? I doubt it. Stuff that reads directly out of a Vox headline is depressingly common on profiles. You must hate Trump, you must oppose immigration restrictions, you must believe in the wage gap. All of that is code for "all of these subjects are not open to scrutiny or introspection, you must toe the party line uncritically", so no matter what your politics are it's just saying you're not supposed to have any challenging conversations because only bigots do that. Women like that wonder why they can't find a man when they just hold nonsense political ideals that de facto require every man to flagellate himself for woke points. No my dear woman, I will not blindly parrot the idea that you aren't paid the same as me when we do the same job and I will not parrot the idea that I'm living life on easy mode when I bust my ass all day long and am constantly reminded that I'm from the only group that deserves no help. Guys like to have self-esteem too, you know.
Does your area have the plague of "ethical non-monogamy" like mine does?
 
OkCupid has decided that the solution to declining market share is to actively pursue the Woko Haram market, and it's turned into a cesspit of dangerhair, soyface, people wanting poly relationships, and people desperately trying to be more woke and extremist left than the last asshole.
I've never heard "woko haram" before but I like it.

OkCupid actually thinks that's a longterm business survival strategy? That's just sad. Those people think "the personal is political" so they can't even look for a date without forcing each other to play minesweeper for points. These people don't even consider whether they can have fun with each other when they meet.

It's really just pure narcissism, because when normal people date you have to say "I have standards I need them to meet, but also I'm willing to be challenged and change because a person good enough to meet my standards by definition has their own standards that are with respecting". The price of waiting for a partner that pleases you is that you need to please them too. But for these people a prospective partner is nothing more than validation of whatever list of boxes they selfishly demand be checked.

Dare I say but it's almost like they are objectifying their date. Your desires aren't valid, you're just here because you owe me my desires.
 
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She might have accidentally blackpilled the sub, but this gives you an idea of how the odds are stacked against men on dating apps.
 
If you spend any amount of money on dating apps of all things, you're a bigger loser than any incel
Depends. If it's for something like Tinder Pro or whatever, then yeah. If it's for a paid dating service, say something like Match, then even a token payment has the effect of screening out people who aren't at least moderately serious about it.
 
What the fuck those numbers. Messages with 500 dudes. I've never been on Tindr and I'm not familiar with it so I'm not sure whether this is supposed to be a lot or sort of normal. I guess I am way out of the loop on this one. I married early and then split and have not been really in the market let alone interested in any newfangled types of ways to date although i tried OKCupid and at that point it wasn't full SJW.
 
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What the fuck those numbers. Messages with 500 dudes. I've never been on Tindr and I'm not familiar with it so I'm not sure whether this is supposed to be a lot or sort of normal. I guess I am way out of the loop on this one. I married early and then split and have not been really in the market let alone interested in any newfangled types of ways to date although i tried OKCupid and at that point it wasn't full SJW.
Women get A LOT of attention on dating platforms, guys on them are thirsty as fuck. What this leads to is women essentially having the pick of the litter with potential suitors. Overabundance of options for women leads to an overwhelming standard that excludes most average Joes. There's data from OkStupid that shows their sampled female user base rates 2/3 men as having "below average attractiveness".
The 80/20 "rule" that MGTOW/PUA types and incels throw around is obervationally correct when looking at the statistics from dating apps/websites like this. The issue with it is trying extrapolate it to scenarios outside of dating apps and sites. Not all women have standards that ludicrously high/mincingly picky. Hell, not all women use dating apps or sites.

Of course it's a turbo-blackpill to see numbers like this. Assuming all women are like this (the AWALT - all women are like that - supposition) would probably send most young men into an existential despair. If all women have access to this kind of attention then why bother? What's the point in plucking up the courage to ask that woman out if some Mega-Chad who will steal her away from you is only a few swipes away? I suspect that this is why there's such an ennui surrounding so many manosphere types - incels especially. They feel like they're fucked figuratively from the word 'go' with no hope for a better future.
The answer, again, is to unplug and try your luck in real life. Self improvement and doing away with self-loathing and low self-esteem (low confidence) is essential when looking for love. A relationship won't make you happy if you're already unhappy with yourself. Women don't want to spend time with you if you're an angsty, boring fuck.
 
Women get A LOT of attention on dating platforms, guys on them are thirsty as fuck. What this leads to is women essentially having the pick of the litter with potential suitors. Overabundance of options for women leads to an overwhelming standard that excludes most average Joes. There's data from OkStupid that shows their sampled female user base rates 2/3 men as having "below average attractiveness".
The 80/20 "rule" that MGTOW/PUA types and incels throw around is obervationally correct when looking at the statistics from dating apps/websites like this. The issue with it is trying extrapolate it to scenarios outside of dating apps and sites. Not all women have standards that ludicrously high/mincingly picky. Hell, not all women use dating apps or sites.

Of course it's a turbo-blackpill to see numbers like this. Assuming all women are like this (the AWALT - all women are like that - supposition) would probably send most young men into an existential despair. If all women have access to this kind of attention then why bother? What's the point in plucking up the courage to ask that woman out if some Mega-Chad who will steal her away from you is only a few swipes away? I suspect that this is why there's such an ennui surrounding so many manosphere types - incels especially. They feel like they're fucked figuratively from the word 'go' with no hope for a better future.
The answer, again, is to unplug and try your luck in real life. Self improvement and doing away with self-loathing and low self-esteem (low confidence) is essential when looking for love. A relationship won't make you happy if you're already unhappy with yourself. Women don't want to spend time with you if you're an angsty, boring fuck.
Women get those attention because men give them.
 
To be fair, like, if you're a guy and you enter a room with 100 random single women, let's say you're 26 and they range 20-32. Totally random selection criteria apart from relationship status. There are probably like 10 of them, tops, realistically that you'd actually have a potential to seriously connect with romantically. On a purely aesthetic level, there's a good chance you'd find yourself drawn to 50-75% of them, ie, you'd at least want to fuck them. All you've done is make visual confirmation of them and formed a first impression. Did you just "reject" 25-50 of them in one swoop? It's such a dramatic way to think as a guy on Tinder that this is some really personal judgment of you being done by recieving a left swipe.

Also, to be real, there's just double standards in life, and if you were the 1950's equivalent of someone who lives at home, doesn't work, does nothing but watch anime/post/game/vape from 2pm-7am, it would still be basically impossible for you to attract any kind of decent woman. Or if you were a boring ass, no charisma, unremarkable guy who made good money, you could get some woman who's either pretty unremarkable too, or was using you. You can be a total waste of space woman and still have white knights or dudes thirsting over you, sure, but, why is that something to envy or be resentful of? "Fuckin women will never know what it's like, a girl in my position could easily get a loser-ass/abusive/hideous boyfriend if she wanted, but it's impossible for me"

Like, wouldn't you just prefer to be alone at that point if realistically, your options were limited to the bottom of the barrel and you don't want that?
 
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She might have accidentally blackpilled the sub, but this gives you an idea of how the odds are stacked against men on dating apps.

So much salt. Fucking hilarious. :story:

"Did u fuck all 21 dudes u met, reeeee!??"

I wish she would tell them she did and that they all were Chads, just to see these guys throw tantrums like the sexually frustrated goblins they are.
 
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This.

Some people are so paranoid about each other nowadays. Being scared to compliment a woman because you're scared she'll accuse you of rape is no different that a woman being scared to talk to a man because she's afraid he'll rape her. Such actual occurrences are rare, and thinking that they are is not a healthy, let alone realistic mindset. They're two sides of the same stupid coin, and I really wish people who stop giving into this ridiculous fear-mongering.

Tom isn't going to rape you, and Samantha isn't going cry rape just because you said you liked her hair. Thinking such is a completely exceptional mindset, and if it's one that pertains to you, you have no right to complain about being single.
Didn't most people find that Gillette ad * you know the one * utterly tarded for exactly this reason?
 
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