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As a society we still judge men who don’t have sex as failures
BY James Bloodworth



In the past year or so the word ‘Incel’ has become a ubiquitous online insult. Short for Involuntary Celibate, it was popularised by men who appropriated the label for themselves. The Incel community is overwhelmingly male (and growing) and to be an Incel (technically at least) is to have not had sex for six months or more.


As so the word has gradually crept into the vocabulary of every internet troll — partly I suspect because we still judge people by how much sex they have, or not in this case. We still view men who don’t have sex as failures in some way.


Incels are therefore an easy target. For men, calling someone an Incel implies something positive — a certain sexual abundance — about one’s own existence. For women it has begun to function as a putdown that ruthlessly dismisses unworthy suitors while simultaneously expelling them from the community of the good as misogynistic and creepy.


In the past decade there has been a three-fold increase in the number of men who have not had sex in the past year. In 2018 the Southern Poverty Law Centre added Incels to their ‘Hate Map’, describing them as “part of the online male supremacist eco-system”. Countless articles have appeared in the media equating inceldom with “toxic masculinity”, misogyny and violence. Most begin from the assumption that Incel ideology, so far as it exists, is a product of men’s domination over women. It is a backlash against feminism; the whingeing of men who have been taught by the tyrannical patriarchy to believe they are entitled to ownership of women’s bodies.


There is invariably some truth to this. The rise of the online ‘Manosphere’ is a reassertion by men of traditional gender roles from which they benefitted immensely. The most notorious Incels, who have gone on murderous rampages, have indeed been narcissistic and entitled men. Elliot Rodger was a 22-year-old Incel who murdered seven people in Isla Vista, California, in 2014. Rodger epitomised entitled masculinity. Shortly before Rodger carried about the massacre, Dale Launer, a friend of Rodger’s father, gave the boy some not terrible advice for building relationships with women on his college campus. Rodger’s response is revealing. As Launer recounted to the BBC:

“As I told him, ‘When you see a woman next time you’re on campus and you like her hair or sunglasses, just pay her a compliment.’ I told him, ‘It’s a freebie, something in passing, you’re not trying to make conversation. Keep walking, don’t make any long eye contact, just give the free compliment.’ The idea being you might make a friend if you make someone feel good.


“I said to Elliot, ‘In the next few weeks — if you see them they’ll likely give you a smile — and you can smile back and eventually turn this into chit-chat.’


“I got in touch with him a few weeks later and asked if he did it. He said ‘no’. And when asked why not, he said, ‘Why do I have to compliment them? Why don’t they compliment me?’” [emphasis mine]

Rodger felt superior to others and referred to a “Day of Retribution” when he would kill those he was envious of — ‘Chads’, men who sleep with lots of women, and ‘Staceys’, feminine and attractive — as well as those who did not see the value he believed he possessed. He probably had a narcissistic personality disorder.


However Rodger was an outlier. Most Incels are non-violent and use the forums they frequent as a support group, a place to vent — often toxically — against a society which they feel has rejected them (at least when it comes to intimacy). It is this which inceldom is largely concerned with: intimacy rather than sex. Most have given up on dating entirely. Some embrace an ideology they call the Black Pill — a spin-off the red and blue pills from The Matrix — which contains misogynistic tenets but adherence to which is not a requirement to be an Incel. The Blue Pill is the existing state of blissful ignorance; the Red Pill seeks to understand the system and manipulate it to its advantage; those who take the Black Pill accept the Red Pill’s tenets about women and society but resign themselves to a life of frustration and alienation.

Black pill ideology is often misogynistic and occasionally deadly. According to the Black Pill women are shallow and driven entirely by hypergamy — that’s to say the desire to hook up with a man of superior status to themselves whether in terms of looks, money or power. As with several other Black Pill assumptions there is an element of truth to this: women do tend to date “up”. However the Black Pill takes this concept to its deterministic absolute: on the forums Incels obsess over height and looks as if nobody who isn’t 6ft 4in with a six pack ever gets a date.


This is undoubtedly a convenient rationalisation for some. It’s easier to sit at home on the internet and lament the callousness and superficiality of wider society than it is to begin the long and arduous process required to become a more attractive man.


But the dating scene of 2020 is also radically different to the dating scene of twenty years ago, and this is a factor behind the growing number of Incels. The decline of traditional marriage has played a part. In the past there was greater societal pressure on women to ‘settle’ with men who they may not have been in love with or even sexually attracted to. The concept of arranged marriage, still popular in eastern cultures, where people pair up on the basis of suitability, is significantly different to our modern, Hollywood-style conception of idealised pairing on the basis of sexual attraction and finding ‘The One’.


Women are the sexual selectors on modern dating apps, where men are abundant and therefore of lower sexual market value (SMV). A friend and I ran an experiment on Tinder last year where we set up a profile purporting to be an attractive woman. In less than 24-hours the profile ran up over 2,000 matches. Tinder and similar apps are effective for the stereotypically good looking male. But the majority of men make do with few matches, often with women they are not attracted to. A recent study of Tinder found that “the bottom 80% of men (in terms of attractiveness) are competing for the bottom 22% of women and the top 78% of women are competing for the top 20% of men”.


As I recently noted for UnHerd, our promiscuous culture bends toward the Pareto principle, also known as the 80/20 rule whereby 20% of men date 80% of women. I wrote: “Women compete over the most desirable men, while the rest are increasingly turning towards porn and — before long, no doubt — sex robots.”


The sexual revolution and the gradual erosion of the pressure to settle down (what Jordan Peterson has referred to as “socially enforced monogamy”) has encouraged women (quite reasonably) to seek out the best partners for themselves. Some men refuse to reconcile themselves to this new reality. Others struggle in a digital dating environment where superficial qualities are prized to an extent that was not true in the past. In the world of online dating, which is how 40% of couples in the United States meet, looks, height and social status are usually pre-requisites for matching with someone at all.


Offline, many Incels lack the basic social skills required to navigate relations with the opposite sex. According to an internal poll carried out on the website Incels.co, 26% of users of the forum said they had some form of autism. Flirting, which requires an innate understanding of nuanced sub-communications and unspoken sexual tension, does not come naturally to these men.


Moreover, mainstream dating advice for men is useless at the best of times and consists largely of feel-good bromides (often written by women) extolling men to ‘just be yourself’ or to let ‘fate’ take care of it. Real-life dating coaching, which takes clients out into bars and clubs in order to learn how to interact with women in a non-platonic way, is laughed at by the mainstream and dominated by charlatans calling themselves ‘pickup artists’.


Inceldom touches a nerve in wider society, which I suspect is why we have few conversations about it. All of us treat people differently on the basis of their physical appearance, however altruistic we may believe ourselves to be. As a recent article in Vice, which drew on a comprehensive body of research, noted: “Attractive people are generally assumed to be more intelligent, more trustworthy, and have better social skills.”


We shy away from talking honestly about this because to do so would be to acknowledge that there are some areas where true ‘equality’ — the ideal we strive for in most areas of political life — is unattainable when it comes to hooking up. The topic of sex and dating is already a minefield where egos swim amidst the unspoken and adversarial mating strategies deployed by men and women. There is very little altruism and equality when it comes to finding a mate. The sexual act is discriminatory by definition.


And it is leaving increasing numbers of men on the scrapheap. Some identify ideologically as Incels out of frustration. Some out of entitlement. Many seek to blame women’s supposedly unrealistic standards for their inability to form an intimate relationship. For others the situation is still more complex.


Incels arguably have something in common with the Japanese hikikomori, defined by Japan’s Health, Labour and Welfare Ministry as those who have “remained isolated at home for at least six consecutive months without going to school or work, and rarely interact with people from outside their immediate family”. Japan has around one million hikikomori.


Inceldom fits within a broader trend towards alienation and reclusive behaviour in modern societies, fostered by technology, changing dating preferences and — among other things — easy access to pornography. We don’t have our own hikikomori problem in the west just yet, but Incels are a growing phenomenon that society would do well to better understand — even if that is less satisfying than throwing the word around as an online insult.
 
A certain subset of women think this way, but that is not all women, nor is it all women outside of church brunches or similar such stereotypically family friendly activity. The solution here really is to avoid dating apps, and if you live in a place like California, where the local culture has likely been thoroughly poisoned by this sort of shit, the solution there is to get the fuck out of Califaggia. Honestly, getting out of CA is probably good advice in general.
I hope so. I don't have the widest sample so outside of the bigger urban centers out west I can't say I've explored the scene much. I wonder how many of these people just don't show up in the wider dating pool if they don't use any networking, apps, sites, etc. and don't often go out of their way to meet new people. I've seen plenty of men do the work-home-store schedule where they aren't in a normal place for dating, so there should be a lot of those in the other side. It's heartening to think there's sanity out there, I'm around college students too much so I've been seeing a small segment of the population. Outside of the party culture of 17-25 I don't get a lot of adult interaction outside of old people so the generation gap seems exaggerated.
 
I hope so. I don't have the widest sample so outside of the bigger urban centers out west I can't say I've explored the scene much. I wonder how many of these people just don't show up in the wider dating pool if they don't use any networking, apps, sites, etc. and don't often go out of their way to meet new people. I've seen plenty of men do the work-home-store schedule where they aren't in a normal place for dating, so there should be a lot of those in the other side. It's heartening to think there's sanity out there, I'm around college students too much so I've been seeing a small segment of the population. Outside of the party culture of 17-25 I don't get a lot of adult interaction outside of old people so the generation gap seems exaggerated.
Well by your own admission aren't you living near a raunchy college in a snowbird town with lots of obnoxiously spoiled wealthy kids around? That would explain a lot of what you're seeing, if you ask me.
 
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You should never compliment women you don't know. There's no reason to do so and most women will ignore it or take exception to it. It's a pointless risk vector for HR complaints and false accusations.

I only started complimenting my wife once we had been dating for a month.
Actually always complement women you don't know

Live on the wild side mothafuckazzzz

edit: just don't complement fat women, never encourage a fatty to stay fat
 
One benefit of being an incel is that you won't die with an itchy dick.

I've dated so many sluts on Tinder or OKCupid and something like 4/10 has had the herp.

I've even developed the perfect out strategy when the reveal comes out. The main reason I'm a sweet guy when dating over being an asshole is so that the girl thinks there's a long term chance and thus will confess her shame.
 
Can't get someone therapy who doesn't want it though. Even if you forced it on him he wouldn't learn anything. And I think with some of the new coping methods incels have and will have in the future the situation is just going to get worse. Instead of realizing that no that hot woman on instagram that's an 8/10 isn't interested and won't ever be interested in him like he is for her and he should just go for someone in his league he'll reject that and just go for an anime AI waifu and never leave. And I doubt it's for the best because at least before he might be able to overcome this and be with a girl that actually likes him for him and live happily ever after or whatever. Not saying this would happen to all incels but there are some that would escape and lead a much better life.
But that's the catch of their ordeal, is it not? To be accepted by someone of a lower sexual ranking is to concede that you are "lesser" than those who may woo their way into the mound of Venus. I'm all in favor of accepting yourself for whom you are, but most would break before bending to the truths of their nature.
For the average self-described incel, they would likely be happier with animu waifu sexbots or whatever the fuck else rather then fucking some morbidly obese hamplanet, and this isn't even mentioning the absurd obsession with purity a lot of them have. Which is why some of them need therapy(regular and sexual surrogate), and all of them need some sexy times with a reasonably attractive prostitute. I have no idea at all how to help the deluded dumbfucks who think they're "too good" to hire a whore though, aside from the aforementioned therapy.
 
Actually always complement women you don't know

Live on the wild side mothafuckazzzz
Not bad advice tbh, though you have to play the room. For example, say you're talking with a girl and she brings up how she landed a job she wanted, tell her she's a great fit for the job and that she'll do well there. Girls eat that shit up; they love it when dudes give them positive attention. If you're at a bar or a party especially, just try it! Meeting people is what you're there for!

You have to make the praise count, though. You can't throw a boring compliment because it looks disingenuous, and you can't throw an unnatural compliment because it looks forced.
 
Not bad advice tbh, though you have to play the room. For example, say you're talking with a girl and she brings up how she landed a job she wanted, tell her she's a great fit for the job and that she'll do well there. Girls eat that shit up; they love it when dudes give them positive attention. If you're at a bar or a party especially, just try it! Meeting people is what you're there for!

You have to make the praise count, though. You can't throw a boring compliment because it looks disingenuous, and you can't throw an unnatural compliment because it looks forced.
When in doubt, always say "Nice shoes, wanna fuck?"
 
Women are biologically incentivized to go with males above their own level, as since a singular male can easily father the offspring of several females with little issue. Most other primates that tend to form pack structures of a single dominant male with several females, and I doubt we're any exception. This is unlike animals like albatrosses or penguins that tend to pair for life with a single individual. As such, the female would biologically end up with a much higher quality male than their own quality throughout most of our pre-civilized history, and even partially in civilized history. (Genghis Khan is a prime example)

This idea that the women will always end up with a guy that's better than her, in terms of perceived dating qualities, whether that be biological fitness, attractiveness, personality, power or wealth was at least partially suppressed due to several major religions disallowing polygamy, which prevented the aforementioned pack structure from forming. We also have to consider that society was quite sexist up until the last few decades, which meant women ended up having to marry to stand a chance of actually being able to live a decent life, causing them to settle with "good enough" men rather than shooting for perfection.

However, nowadays, women have much less incentive to stick with a single partner thanks to their own general successes. While it is a good think that half the world's population has had their metaphorical glass ceiling lifted, this coincides with that major biological drive for women to go with men that are generally more successful than themselves. Now, for a successful woman, this would require an incredibly successful man, which are few and far between (much like extremely successful women). Also, no person particularly wants to lower their standards outside of desperation, and women aren't exactly desperate to lower said standards, as not only can a woman much more feasibly survive without a man, but dating sites also provide them an easy way to get access to a large pool of potential partners. Why settle for a 7/10 guy if you could just wait a bit and potentially hook a 10/10 guy? Now, the latter two issues (Trying to hook partners much greater than yourself and not wanting to lower your standards) are also prevalent in modern men to a similar extent, as demonstrated by the fact that most incels seem to think they should be able to hook a supermodel. However, the impact of women in this scenario is more noticable than the impact men have.

Inceldom is just a symptom of this. Low ranking men deciding that attempting and failing to hook a partner isn't worth the time or resources it takes, and don't feel like lowering their own standards, and instead stewing in self-loathing and hatred for those that can get partners. This is a pretty big issue, as having a large amount of frustrated, dejected military-aged men in your society enables extremist groups to have a large pool of people who have nothing to lose to radicalize for their own nefarious goals. These men may also decide to just lash out violently at those more successful than them.

The incel issue has no real solution that doesn't involve throwing out the metaphorical baby with the bathwater, unfortunately. Maybe modern advancements or the development of society will change that, but as it stands, we can only lessen it's impact, rather than solve it outright. Maybe as the current generations of men and women grow older, they may finally decide to lower their standards for potential partners, stop trying to shoot for supermodels and bodybuilders, and settle down with one-another. I don't imagine these relationships would be particularly healthy to raise a new generation though, especially considering the fact that children born to older parents tend to have mental disorders at much higher rates.

I wrote this veritable wall of text while sleep-deprived, so it's probably poorly structured and needs better elaboration on the points, but I honestly couldn't care less right now.
 
You CAN'T tell a girl that her hair looks nice today, because she could decide it's sexual harassment and ruin your life over it
Men now have the spectre of harassment hanging over them if they strike up a conversation someone objects to.
Now you can say that's still dangerous territory, and maybe it is
You should never compliment women you don't know.
Why r u guys so afraid of giving compliments. Obviously you wouldn't give sexual or even many looks related ones in professional settings, but being shot down in a park, shop, or bar isn't a crime. People like thoughtful compliments. Giving compliments is part of being a pleasant person and almost always works.

Casual sex with your wife is pretty good.
Casual sex with my wife is pretty nice.
Most people don't consider sex in committed relationships to be casual sex. Casual sex is fuck buddies and one night stands.

they would likely be happier with animu waifu sexbots or whatever the fuck else rather then fucking some morbidly obese hamplanet
I've had much more than my fair share of relations, and I'm quite sure I'd be happier with an anime waifu or whatever the fuck else than some morbidly obese hamplanet.

Now, for a successful woman, this would require an incredibly successful man, which are few and far between (much like extremely successful women).
I think the trick in this age of comparative plenty is to be reasonably successful at work, actually put some effort into appearance, and finally try to become successful at a hobby, something cool to you that less people do. Success in this other thing will increase appeal (god knows why).

A top lawyer woman probably isn't gonna be interested in a paralegal or mediocre lawyer man, but she very well might be interested in a skilled athlete, soldier, firefighter, marathon runner, artist, carpenter, outdoorsman...

I guess what I'm trying to get at is that success differentiation is a way to help mitigate this problem. It doesn't completely erase it, but I think it does a lot. This hits incels particularly hard since they refuse to develop themselves as people and learn to do things just for the sake of it.
 
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I've seen plenty of men do the work-home-store schedule where they aren't in a normal place for dating
That's pretty much where I am. I work out MWF after work, hike on Saturdays weather permitting, and go to church on Sundays, but that's kinda it. I don't drink so I don't go to bars, there aren't really any eligible women at church (I moved from an area where women tended to wait to get married to one where they get married early), and I don't really know what other avenues to pursue other than apps.

I meet the Basic Height Requirement, I'm in very good shape, I have a Real Job, I'm not model material but I'm hardly ugly, but I get maybe one woman swiping right on me a week and that rarely results in an actual conversation let alone a date. I don't self-identify as an incel, but it feels like there's this great stream of humanity that everyone just falls into naturally that's somehow closed to me.
 
Why r u guys so afraid of giving compliments. Obviously you wouldn't give sexual or even many looks related ones in professional settings, but being shot down in a park, shop, or bar isn't a crime. People like thoughtful compliments. Giving compliments is part of being a pleasant person and almost always works.
Totally. I have no problem complimenting strangers in public if it's genuine. It has to be something meaningful and casual, though. More "That hairstyle looks fantastic" or "that's a pretty skirt, where did you get it?" than "smile funbags! I wanna fuck you!"

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I fully agree, but I stand by what I said: Casual sex with his wife is pretty good.
 
Whoever unironically uses the phrase "age of tinder" is worse than a mere loser.
"Age" of tinder, like what the fuck? This author must be a massive fucking fag.
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"Orwell Prize 2019"?
James Bloodworth (born 18 December 1982)[1][2] is an English journalist and writer.

A former member of the Trotskyist group Alliance for Workers' Liberty,[3][4] he edited the left-wing blog Left Foot Forward from 2013 until 2016. Bloodworth previously wrote a weekly column for the International Business Times[5] and wrote for The Spectator's Coffee House blog from 2013 to 2015.[6] His work has also appeared in The Guardian,[7] The Independent,[8] and The Wall Street Journal.[9]. He writes regularly for the website UnHerd.[10]

Bloodworth is the author of The Myth of Meritocracy: Why Working-Class Kids Still Get Working-Class Jobs (Biteback Publishing) which was published in 2016.[11][12][13]

Bloodworth's Hired: Six Months Undercover in Low-Wage Britain (Atlantic Books) was published in March 2018. To research the oppressive conditions faced by those working in low-paid and minimum-wage jobs, the author spent six months employed in such posts. This included periods working as a care worker in Blackpool,[14] an Uber driver and in the UK packaging warehouse of Amazon. According to one review the book has been praised "across the political spectrum".[15] In May 2019, Hired was longlisted for the Orwell Prize for political writing.[16] Hired was also chosen by The Times as its current affairs book of the year 2018.[17]

In September 2018, U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders tweeted out a video in which Bloodworth drew on his book to criticize Amazon, as part of Sanders' push to introduce a bill that would charge large companies such as Amazon for the federal welfare programs that subsidize their low-wage workers.[18]

He also wrote a piece for The Daily Beast in which he repeated the Fox News claim that Cuba sent troops to Syria to help prop up the Assad regime, a claim which was denied by both the Cuban government and White House Press Secretary Joshua Earnest.[19][20][21]

James Bloodworth described Roger Scruton's book Fools, Frauds and Firebrands as "an impressively lucid take down of some of the most fashionable left-wing thinkers of the past 50 years".[22]

A fucking Trotskyist?
Here are some of his masterpieces: https://unherd.com/author/james-bloodworth/

Fag.
 
Actually always complement women you don't know

Live on the wild side mothafuckazzzz

edit: just don't complement fat women, never encourage a fatty to stay fat
Unironically this. If you have it together enough to be presentable and moderately attractive in public then you can get away with a lot and get girls to like you. They like attention too, so the retail girl with the colored hair will be fine with you checking her out if you give her a smile and stay respectful just like you would if a good looking waiter gave you a compliment.
 
That's pretty much where I am. I work out MWF after work, hike on Saturdays weather permitting, and go to church on Sundays, but that's kinda it. I don't drink so I don't go to bars, there aren't really any eligible women at church (I moved from an area where women tended to wait to get married to one where they get married early), and I don't really know what other avenues to pursue other than apps.

I meet the Basic Height Requirement, I'm in very good shape, I have a Real Job, I'm not model material but I'm hardly ugly, but I get maybe one woman swiping right on me a week and that rarely results in an actual conversation let alone a date. I don't self-identify as an incel, but it feels like there's this great stream of humanity that everyone just falls into naturally that's somehow closed to me.
I present exhibit 2: Incel or not? I have little patience for true freaks and weirdos who self-identify as incels and hang out with other greasy oddballs hypothetically whinging about this utopia of indebted sex, but the term keeps getting spread out to more and more people. Kinda like our widespread dilution of 'far right' and 'fascist' it seems to be used to cover ever wider demographics of people who don't really fit it to artificially demonize people who are givin' it the ol' college try and just not seeing results. A lot of the normal men I see in the 25-40 age range are like this (but it's in the context of a high-travel, fairly high paying career so these guys have a lot of issues finding someone who will accept them being gone 40%) of the time. and are ostensibly on the market, but they certainly won't find someone to settle down with that ticks the minimum standards of being trustworthy and.....that's about it. Ideally healthy? Fellers can't be too picky and even setting no kids/no obesity standards is about as picky as it gets but it axes the vast majority of the pool they look at.
The paranoid part of me worries that we have a top-down cultural push to shame and demonize these young guys because we need them settled down, working a 9-9 overtime job, paying taxes, and not thinking because they're the motive force of the economy. Incels giving up, coasting at their gas station job while spending their few chits on waifu strippers and their playstation subscription aren't a net boon to the government.
 
That's pretty much where I am. I work out MWF after work, hike on Saturdays weather permitting, and go to church on Sundays, but that's kinda it. I don't drink so I don't go to bars, there aren't really any eligible women at church (I moved from an area where women tended to wait to get married to one where they get married early), and I don't really know what other avenues to pursue other than apps.

I meet the Basic Height Requirement, I'm in very good shape, I have a Real Job, I'm not model material but I'm hardly ugly, but I get maybe one woman swiping right on me a week and that rarely results in an actual conversation let alone a date. I don't self-identify as an incel, but it feels like there's this great stream of humanity that everyone just falls into naturally that's somehow closed to me.
Join a club for a hobby or sport you like and can be enthusiastic about. In my experience, it's the best way to break that cycle. It will get you out and social, and you'll enjoy it whether or not it ever leads to chicks (more often indirectly than directly). People doing things they enjoy doing are a pleasure to be around and make fast friends.
 
Even though Incels (with a capital I, as it were) often react in unhealthy and even downright psychotic ways, they're not entirely wrong about the underlying problem. Namely that modern courtship and gender dynamics are FUCKING AWFUL. You CAN'T tell a girl that her hair looks nice today, because she could decide it's sexual harassment and ruin your life over it. It's not LIKELY, because most people aren't batshit insane, but how can you tell the difference before getting to know them? Why take the chance? Especially if you're an autist or have general social struggles.

I don't know that I'd blame Tinder. It's more like a symptom than a cause. But social media in general is a major contributor toward the breakdown of local community, as is a culture that values perpetually keeping your options open and holding out for the perfect rather than accepting the good. The online meat market makes it worse, because why settle for the 8/10 reasonably cute guy (or girl) when you could try 10/10s and hope you get lucky? Attraction is being based entirely on a first impression rather than taking the opportunity to get to know someone. And maybe that's how it's supposed to start out, but that's become the beginning and end of it. As much as I hate the word "shallow", that's really where we've ended up, for both genders.

It's not easy to meet people these days. It's not exclusive to dating, but that's possibly the most impacted. As awful as the Incel community is, there's a part of me that understands the general frustration in being unable to find intimacy in a world that extremely unsympathetic toward that struggle, and assumes that any failure in finding a relationship must be 100% down to the individual.


100%, social media has been a massive plague on modern society.
 
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